openmine:

I believed you read what I said right?....unimportant!
In other words,it doesn't contribute to the discussion!

Not a troll get used to it....funny enough,you give a label when its obvious that you tact has been discovered!

I have my reasons for detesting homosexual acts but we are not talking about opinions but about the scriptures...sticking to that without being evasive and rhetorical would have been nice...but I already know why you can't come up with a single scripture to buttress your point!

You have done absolutely nothing to prove that your watery submissions can be used to justify why God supports and allows homosexual acts!

No wonder you call me a troll...because I keep pointing out your insincerity and the fact that you are yet to offer a single scripture to prove your assertions which are basically borne out of your own logic rather that of the scriptures!

Honestly,you have nothing to offer to your submissions in terms of scriptures!

Any time you are asked to offer scriptures you start running from pillar to post trying to use sentiments and psychological questions to drag me into the messy hole you dug for yourself!

Mr/bro MuttleyLaff,just know one thing....am not going to change my stance despite your best efforts to make me go down that path with you!
I will keep insisting that you provide scriptures to back your shocking and futile submissions!
You can't make a preposterous statement that God allows,permits and supports homosexual acts and instead of using scriptures and corresponding scriptures to prove your points,you end up using your personal opinion to defend your submissions!

My dear loving nwanne openmine, every single thing, matter and word I type on this revealing thread is important, make no mistake otherwise.

Also nwanne, you are not the first and surely won't be the last with that closed mind attitude, Agrogbeide my nwanne from another mother, shares your sentiment too, but you know as well as I do, that you can take a horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink. I certainly, haven't nursed any wish to force you or anybody to drink, I am just leading you to water and showing you it.

Trust me, you are a troll and heckler rolled into one. In the face of stark reality, all you shamelessly air are opinions, opinions that are contrary to the word of God, opinions that say and insist on what the Bible never says, doesn't say, hasn't said and never says.

When asked to explain what in particular you detest in homosexual acts, you clam up, lips zipped and go schtum. You are incapable of saying what in the homosexual acts is particularly bad, evil and wrong. All you are capable of, is repeatedly doing your strawman mining nonsense

openmine:

I agree with his submissions on this discus!
If that gives me a tag of a cheerleader...no probs...never said i was complaining
If you have a problem with that then that's your business!

I hadnt said, you complained nau. I made a rhetorical question, that didn't really need a reply, but you just have to live up to the troll cum heckler status, and also not minding your own business, just have to poke your nose in and comment hmm?

Image123:
I've been somehow mentioned several times on this thread but no notifications. Seun, I'm a lazy man, how do I start going through these pages na? MuttleyLaff should be banned oh, the posts too long na.

Peele, it is a your life will never be the same again, eyes popping facts and truth revealed, never advised to be rushed read post

MuttleyLaff:
My dear loving nwanne openmine, every single thing, matter and word I type on this revealing thread is important, make no mistake otherwise.

Also nwanne, you are not the first and surely won't be the last with that closed mind attitude, Agrogbeide my nwanne from another mother, shares your sentiment too, but you know as well as I do, that you can take a horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink. I certainly, haven't nursed any wish to force you or anybody to drink, I am just leading you to water and showing you it.

Trust me, you are a troll and heckler rolled into one. In the face of stark reality, all you shamelessly air are opinions, opinions that are contrary to the word of God, opinions that say and insist on what the Bible never says, doesn't say, hasn't said and never says.

When asked to explain what in particular you detest in homosexual acts, you clam up, lips zipped and go schtum. You are incapable of saying what in the homosexual acts is particularly bad, evil and wrong. All you are capable of, is repeatedly doing your strawman mining nonsense

I hadnt said, you complained nau. I made a rhetorical question, that didn't really need a reply, but you just had to live up to the troll slash heckler status, and not minding your own business, poke your in and comment hmm?

Primarily,lets be perspicuous on your misplaced line of thought,you never forced me into any river because i was never there in the first place!
Secondly,your usage of a closed mind attitude is not only flawed but another of your jaded and poignantly churned out words to label people who don't agree with your shallow and indecipherable opinions!
If you are referring to your intransigent submissions hoping to force it down to people in order to cajole about homosexual acts,then you failed woefully!

You were unable to inveigle in your rib-tickling and odious submissions that God permits and allows homosexual acts which should have served as a base for your vacuous argument esp with firm inclinations on scriptures which you say you believe in...Unfortunately,your perfunctory usage of personal logic as a last ditch effort to prove your asseveration only serves as a validation that you never had a single scripture to evince!

Yeah....Once anyone has a squabble or altercation with you or ultimately, boxes you to a corner,you regrettably and ingloriously churn out name tags to sound admissible!
Am used to your kind...dem plenty for nairaland esp in the religious section!

Any circumspect individual that has perused the back and forth between us will agree that you have not only being evasive and rhetorical,you have also backed your submissions with more of your logic than scriptures...disagree right? Now show that am wrong by providing scriptures to assuage your farcically written presentations that God adores and tolerates homosexual acts! No stories!

See this one?
If the thread was about using personal opinions or human logic which is always subject to controversies about homosexual acts,that would have been a different issue entirely.. However, the interest was how you would use scriptures to prove that God grants and tolerates homosexual acts!
So asking me about my beef or my personal opinion about homosexual acts is not only a diversion but going off tangent and venturing into another issue entirely which is your ploy to mask your ineptitude to present a single scripture that agrees with what you profess! I must confess i like that strategy but it doesn't work with me esp when the user is periphrastic!

You know the time adopted to make your stale and repetitive "troll" hogwash would have given you ample period to ratify your submissions even though i am fully convinced that you really dont have any to bequeath!
That has been your blueprint!
So am the least bit perturbed!

openmine:

First lets be perspicuous on your misplaced line of thought,you never forced me to any river because i was never there in the first place!
Secondly,your usage of a closed mind attitude is not only flawed but another of your pathetically and weary churned out words to tag people who don't agree with your shallow and indecipherable opinions!
If you are referring to your intransigent submissions hoping to force it down to people in order to convince about homosexual acts then you failed woefully!

You were unable to inveigle in your rib-tickling and odious submissions that God permits and allows homosexual acts which should have served as a base for your vacuous argument esp with firm inclinations on scriptures which you say you believe in...Unfortunately,your perfunctory usage of personal logic as a last ditch effort to prove your asseveration only serves as a validation that you never had a single scripture to evince!

Yeah....Once anyone has a squabble or altercation with you or ultimately, boxes you to a corner,you regrettably and ingloriously churn out name tags to sound admissible!
Am used to your kind...dem plenty for nairaland esp in the religious section!

Any circumspect individual that has perused the back and forth between us will agree that you have not only being evasive and rhetorical,you have also backed your submissions with more of your logic than scriptures...disagree right? Now show that am wrong by providing scriptures to assuage your farcically written presentations that God adores and tolerates homosexual acts! No stories!

See this one?
If the thread was about using personal opinions or human logic which is always subject to controversies about homosexual acts,that would have been a different issue entirely.. However, the interest was how you would use scriptures to prove that God grants and tolerates homosexual acts!
So asking me about my beef or my personal opinion about homosexual acts is not only a diversion but going off tangent and venturing into another issue entirely which is your ploy to mask your ineptitude to present a single scripture that agrees with what you profess! I must confess i like that strategy but it doesn't work with me esp when the user is periphrastic!

You know the time adopted to make your stale and repetitive "troll" hogwash would have given you ample period to ratify your submissions even though i am fully convinced that you really dont have any to bequeath!
That has been your blueprint!
So am the least bit perturbed!

Did I ever say or use "force" on you, in my post that you replied to erh openmine?

You sure have a way of interpreting things they way you fancy sha. No skin off my nose, continue if it makes you happy.

You are still keeping on at this strawman mining hmm, have a blast, just don't choke on it.

Can you please tell, what the title of the subject of this thread is openmine hmm? Well there you have it.

MuttleyLaff:

Shepherd00 please stop this below par reasoning, so you dont know that procreation is a means to an end, and isnt really the end itself, hmmm

If Procreation is a means to an end, what then is the End? Pls answer with regards to 'Let everything procreate according to its kind'.

MuttleyLaff:

Shepherd00? Shepherd00? Shepherd00? How many times did I call you? Please tell me this is a joke question

What is a joke about the question MuttleyLaff?

MuttleyLaff:

In the way you are behaving and doing now, you do not qualify to know. You might find out from someone else, but at least I wont be divulging that info to you

Do you still remember that 'Thou shall not lie' is a Commandment of YHWH?

MuttleyLaff:

Time is a snitch, time will tell if empty words or not

Smoke screen.

MuttleyLaff:

Do you always have to argue, just for arguing sake, hmm? So you now want to compare a Nazarine with same sex attraction minority couples hmm? Abeggy leave and free me jor

A Nazarite not a Nazarine. They are different. And yes you brought up the percentage of the homosexuals making it seem like they were too few to be used of God.
MuttleyLaff, I am not holding you oo. You brought it up so clarify it. Why wasn't one homosexual in the olden days used by God? You rightly said they were in the days of the Bible, I agree, the Bible mentioned them, but why were not used by God?

MuttleyLaff:

16 The LORD said to Moses, 
17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 
18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 
19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 
20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 
21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 
22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 
23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. 
I am the LORD, who makes them holy.
- Leviticus 21:16-23 

Are you at all familiar with the above Leviticus 21:16-23 scripture? I am just asking ni ooo and just tried, bringing it, to your remembrance

See as you just use Hammer take crush your blokosh.
These were people chosen to serve as persists before God, but because they had DEFECTS, they were not to approach. Even at that, You just affirmed that if God will not use the homosexuals it was because they had a defect
Isn't this what we have been saying since morning? Homosexuality tendencies is a sexual defect MuttleyLaff.

You just lifted scriptures which are not even close to back up your claim, yet ended up nailing yourself by Yourself.

MuttleyLaff:

Shepherd00, this is a Bible 101 question, and funnily enough the answer to the question I already and/or have previously answered in my post on this thread

I didn't read your lengthy post, so post it to me again.

MuttleyLaff:
Did I ever say, I used "force" on you in my post that you replied to erh openmine. You sure have a way of interpreting things they way you fancy sha. No skin off my nose, continue if it makes you happy. You are still keeping on at this strawman mining hmm, have a blast, just don't choke on it. Can you please tell, what the title of the subject of this thread is openmine hmm? Well there you have it.

@MuttleyLaff chew your own words properly..."i but you know as well as I do, that you can take a horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink."
And beside i was hilariously responding to your inappropriate and unsuitable quote that referred to me!


Not at all,If your mode of interpretation is about the subject of discus(that God tolerates and permits homosexual acts) then i am right to say so!
No pun intended!
Its not necessarily about being fancy!
If you say,unequivocally and emphatically, that God permits homosexual acts,its would also imply that you are suggesting,without any doubt, that our God loves,tolerates and likes homosexual acts...no?

Trying haplessly to regurgitate or recapitulate a rancid axiom only proves you are hysterical and obviously rattled!
Your unvarying usage of 'strawman mining' claptrap won't spontaneously make you sound inferential!

Finally,if indeed your thread was about an ad infinitum display of personal or external hypothesis,then the ultimate purpose of this thread would have been subjugated long ago!
May i remind you that you had unambiguously boasted during early days of this thread that you had eye popping scriptures that will,in your words,blow the mind of the readers and clear their notion about the discus!
This was your standpoint ab initio....so why are you making it seem like am painting a different picture from what you had presented before now?

The underlying admission which you will never divulge or acknowledge is that,all along,you NEVER had a scripture to back your hurriedly gathered assumptions!
Truth they say is like eating bitter leaf,it must first disfigure your face before it sinks in!
Deal with it!

Shepherd00:
If Procreation is a means to an end, what then is the End? Pls answer with regards to 'Let everything procreate according to its kind'.

You call yourself a believer, and you don't what is the destination, the end, hmm?

Shepherd00:
What is a joke about the question MuttleyLaff?

I just couldn't believe you asked it

Shepherd00:

Do you still remember that 'Thou shall not lie' is a Commandment of YHWH?

Have you stopped lying then, white lies and all

Shepherd00:
Smoke screen.

True though, isn't it

Shepherd00:
A Nazarite not a Nazarine. They are different. And yes you brought up the percentage of the homosexuals making it seem like they were too few to be used of God.
MuttleyLaff, I am not holding you oo. You brought it up so clarify it. Why wasn't one homosexual in the olden days used by God? You rightly said they were in the days of the Bible, I agree, the Bible mentioned them, but why were not used by God?

I brought it up, to emphasise that gays, have always being a minorities group from time immemorial, they haven't affected the procreation scheme of things. They haven't ever been a threat to anyone or anybody. They don't hate but are hated

Shepherd00:
See as you just use Hammer take crush your blokosh

You really think so. Not that I didn't know. But I've just checked them and they are intact and alright Shepherd00

Shepherd00:
These were people chosen to serve as persists before God, but because they had DEFECTS, they were not to approach. Even at that, You just affirmed that if God will not use the homosexuals it was because they had a defect
Isn't this what we have been saying since morning? Homosexuality tendencies is a sexual defect MuttleyLaff.

What I tried to pass on, is if the for the sake of argument, defective human beings. Who happen to be gays, are now after the Calvary victory permitted to approach God, even be baptised, just as the eunuch got baptised by Stephen. There is no more any condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus Shepherd00

Shepherd00:
You just lifted scriptures which are not even close to back up your claim, yet ended up nailing yourself by Yourself

Do you really think, I didn't think it properly through before advancing that scripture, hmm?

Shepherd00:
I didn't read your lengthy post, so post it to me again.

You are taking the piss and having a laugh

openmine:
@MuttleyLaff chew your own words properly..."i but you know as well as I do, that you can take a horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink."
And beside i was hilariously responding to your inappropriate and unsuitable quote that referred to me!


Not at all,If your mode of interpretation is about the subject of discus(that God tolerates and permits homosexual acts) then i am right to say so!
No pun intended!
Its not necessarily about being fancy!
If you say,unequivocally and emphatically, that God permits homosexual acts,its would also imply that you are suggesting,without any doubt, that our God loves,tolerates and likes homosexual acts...no?

Trying haplessly to regurgitate or recapitulate a rancid axiom only proves you are hysterical and obviously rattled!
Your unvarying usage of 'strawman mining' claptrap won't spontaneously make you sound inferential!

Finally,if indeed your thread was about an ad infinitum display of personal or external hypothesis,then the ultimate purpose of this thread would have been subjugated long ago!
May i remind you that you had unambiguously boasted during early days of this thread that you had eye popping scriptures that will,in your words,blow the mind of the readers and clear their notion about the discus!
This was your standpoint ab initio....so why are you making it seem like am painting a different picture from what you had presented before now?

The underlying admission which you will never divulge or acknowledge is that,all along,you NEVER had a scripture to back your hurriedly gathered assumptions!
Truth they say is like eating bitter leaf,it must first disfigure your face before it sinks in!
Deal with it!

Does "force it" mean or imply openmine, hmm?

Stick to title heading of this thread and stop this your strawman mining crap already

MuttleyLaff:

Look above, you'll see who and who were prohibited

Those ones had physical deformities (Defects)
Are you affirming that God could not and cannot use homosexuals becos they are deformed sexually?

MuttleyLaff:

The first 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 scripture, as I've already said in my lengthy 3-part long post, has nothing to do with homosexual

CEV1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves!

No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God's kingdom

Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others".

No, it's not about homosexuality in totally. It's about the Kingdom of God and those who will not enter into it based on their SINS.

Verse 9 says, [b] do not fool yourself MuttleyLaff, no immoral (Fornicator), or idol worshipper or unfaithful in marriage (Adulterer), or a ~~~pervert person who behaves like homosexual~~~ will enter into the Kingsom of God.
MuttleyLaff, Why will God reject homosexuals access into His Kingdom if He is okay with their Acts?

The context here fly over your head.

MuttleyLaff:

Now with or about the rest of the other scriptures you've put up there, if upon what I've so far written in that my lengthy 3-part long post, you still cant see why the negativity, then, I think your problem is bigger than me to be of any assistance for you. You will need Holy Spirit intervention and top up.

You are the one needing the Holy Spirit here because, no scripture you posted holds water.

Pls post them here and explain them within context.

MuttleyLaff:

As much as I love this question, I still doubt your sincerety. 

You are asking this question because you have no idea of the context of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 since you're only concerned with just by itself the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 content

Are you assuming the context or it's there for all to see? because, I can't see Temple Prostitution or sex orgies in the context of Lev.18:20

MuttleyLaff:

The kind of act of Homosexuality in the Bible that always accompanies death is the sort that as I passingly mentioned in my lengthy 3-part long post revolves around ritual sex performed during fertility god worship.

So indeed homosexuality is a ritual sex to a god albeit a different sort? Hmmm

MuttleyLaff:

This was done, under the make believe that divine blessings is obtained from indulging in such ritualistic sex. Male temple prostitutes made their services available for willing patrons or participants. Even those who weren't naturally gay, at times indulge in these sex orgies

And Leviticus 18:20 underlies this?
Pls post the premise.

MuttleyLaff:

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context Shepherd00, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 chapters, that feature Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter, that incidentally were dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter are the themes of those scripture

Yes, before the Israelites took over the land of Canaan, these things prevailed, but these were the same things that YHWH said provoked Him to cast the evil people out of the land.


Leviticus 18:24-25
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
That is the context of Lev.18 from 1 all through to the end.

The activities mentioned were the things which if anyone does, the Long anger shall be visited on.

Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

MuttleyLaff homosexuality is one of the abominations mentioned here, where then did the Bible record a different kind of homosexuality than this? Besides, of all the abominations, only homosexuality earns one a death sentence, why?

MuttleyLaff:

No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no LovePeddler of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Sodomite? I thought you said the Sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality?

Deuteronomy 23:17-18 People of Israel, don't any of you ever be temple prostitutes.

The LORD your God is disgusted with men and women who are prostitutes of any kind, and he will not accept a gift from them, even if it had been promised to him.

MuttleyLaff. I'm trying to find the right and acceptable kind of homosexuality from scriptures. Pls help me here.

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=79121459]
There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites."
- 1 Kings 14:24

What I see so far is that, homosexuality has its roots in satanism. It's a demonic Spirit.

MuttleyLaff:

When you look at scriptures, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24 above, you'll discover that all these illusions and false idea or beliefs were happening in the area before the Israelites arrived to inherit the land.

Why do you call them illusions?

And, If it was okay with YHWH, why did he commanded that anyone amongst His people who engaged in them be killed?

MuttleyLaff:

The pagans believed they obtain divine blessing by indulging in ritualstic sex at the temple, this practice and mind thinking is what God was against. The thought and the act also, is what God found detestable. It not only was promiscious, there is cheating, betrayal, unfaithfulness, adultery, fornication etcetera going on. The only way God can stop this practice and indicate the severity, is by punishment by death. I hope this made matters clearer.

So, God was against the part where it's done in the temple as a ritual to their god as a form worship, but was okay with it if it was done HOW and WHERE?

MuttleyLaff, going by what you just explained, hasn't it been clear to you that anal sex is Satan's pattern of sex, just like Hetero-sex is of God?
Can't you see it that satan mimics God in everything?

Hetero-sex within marriage is a form of worship to God, because when we do it, he blesses us with children to fulfill his mandate 'Go into the world and Multiply'. Anal sex is just pleasure, nothing else.

Satan gives nothing to anyone hence his pattern of sex.

MuttleyLaff:

By the way and in fairness, even heterosexual acts are mentioned in the negative, just as certain homosexual acts are, and are levelled with appropiate punishments ranging up to stoning by death Shepherd00

What do you mean by 'Certain homosexual acts? How many types of homosexual acts are mentioned in the Bible?

And yes, hetero-sex outside of marriage was also mentioned as sin, what's your point?

MuttleyLaff:

I never screamed, so please stop being petty, and I am not complaining that you ask me questions, rather I typed something in the line of: "Please stop asking me unreasonable questions, especially when in the sight of facts" 

Talking abt pettiness, I think you shd look at the mirror.
You call those facts? They testify against you Muttley.

MuttleyLaff:

I have already given you a high level overview response above to this request nau Shepherd00.

No, you didn't. You ended up trailing the root or the origin of homosexuality which was a ritualistic sex worship to satan. And, you said God hates that type, but are yet to say which type He approves.

MuttleyLaff:

I made that comment, because I thought you wanted to beat me up for mentioning your moniker ni

I don't beat people. I'm only interested in the Gospel Truth.

MuttleyLaff:

Didnt expect you to respond, just find a quiet place, to carefully and thoughtfully read the stuff, was what I advised you. 

In other words, 'read and append?' E no go work like that. Plenty error full inside am.

MuttleyLaff:

Never mind, it isnt the first time whoosh over your head it went or happened

Sorry man, again, you failed.

MuttleyLaff:

Bodi nobi wood, abeggy, carry una Mister peeping tom, vigilante, Nairaland neighbourhood watch wahala go. You think say, I dont listen to my body, erh? Make I no sleep, hmm? I saw your post alright, but left it replied to, unfinished because I went to sleep. I actually was fast asleep whilst still appearing present on the thread

Na you sabi.

See how i cut one of you post into 3? it makes it easier to respond to.

I will respond in “themes” to what is a mish-mash of assertions, half-truths and outright lies sauced with lashing of emotional appeal. It really is a steaming hot mess and almost sullies one to give it attention, but having started, I will - by His grace – see it through.

First the anecdotal cum appeal to emotion ploy;

MuttleyLaff:
I am now re-sharing the true life story incident

MuttleyLaffs emotional appeal via this scripted homily about a 3 year old identifying as “gay”, is TBH quite pathetic – and unlikely to be true. But whether it is or not, is it scripture? Do we re-base our whole scriptural understanding or moral framework, due to a sob-story?

How does a 3 year old grasp matters of sexual function/expression? The developmental pathway for sexuality has not fully kicked in, the hormones are not yet circulating, yet his family agreed with a self-diagnosed “gayness” at 3 years old. Where were social services?

Second, the “follow-on” assertion, typically following a reading of scripture

MuttleyLaff:
Like I've said in my earlier post above, i mean the one with the true life story incident of the then three year old, I repeat, that Jesus, in Matthew 19:12a, stated emphatically and/or publicly, saying some are born that way from their mother's womb, as in from birth, same way, some are born from the womb, that way with same sex attraction. Of course, because of the imperfect world we live in, eunuch(s), just as same as with same sex attraction persons (i.e. SSA person), people that are infertiles, people born with one physical defect or the other etcetera, all are as a result of the fall from grace.

Here MuttlryLaff, presents scripture relating to The Lords mentioning of Eunuchs. All well and good. Then, without breaking stride, asserts that what applies to eunuchs also applies to “gayness”. Without any evidence or an explanatory prologue .

Not only is this not attested to by scripture, as I’ve previously stated, science does not affirm this assertion. And even if science did, it would not mean it was any less a sin.

Even if SSA is natal, it does not mean it is a good thing. Most men are born with the desire to sow their seed as widely as possible, does that make the urge holy?

MuttlleyLaff is attempting to employ scripture about men not having sex to prove that scripture affirms same-sex activity. Laughable but criminally so !

Third, claim to knowing the mind of God in a way that not only blasphemes God, but upends 2 thousand years of Christian orthodoxy (and implicates The Most High for allowing SSA people to suffer all this time)

MuttleyLaff:
Like I have said in previous post(s), God, who sees and knows the end from the beginning, an Omnicompetent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing God, knew about SS attraction and SS relationships, so by extension, SS attraction and SS relationships are not just part of God's creational intent but are inclusive. Consensual adult SS attraction and SS relationships, by a God design are included, in the creational order.

Here ML makes an assertion not following a reference to scripture, but one to God Himself (a kind of variation of #2). Asserting - “by extension” with no evidence or scriptura back-up - that because of God’s foreknowledge, therefore it was part of God’s plan and an actual element of God’s design?

A behaviour the scripture shows as one that true believers will be delivered/washed from (1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10). A behaviour the scripture describes as against nature and contrary to function (Romans 1).

In that case MuttleyLaff, you are “by extension” claiming that the institution of marriage was designed for SS couples are you not. Although scripture fails to mention, foreshadow or present a positive archetype for relationships of this kind.

If the above is true, then your notions of hetero and homo as distinct types given by God is true. Therefore, when the bible calls out sexual sins, it needn't make specific reference to homosexuality. Simply mentioning fornication and adultery would suffice.

Your logic is incohenrent, our doctrine is not joined up and your reasoning is not end-to-end. You are a campaigner, an advocate, specifically a homosexualist. Which is why your arguments parallel those used by the world - homoweb miner .

Still on Romans 1. Firstly, it is only from verse 18 that the tone turns to one of the unrighteousness and ungodliness of men. Then, the trajectory is clear.

1. God and His attributes can be clearly seen and understood – no excuses
2. Not only did men deny and rebel, they exchange His glory and truth
3. Therefore God gave them up -to uncleanness and lusts – leading to a dishonouring of their bodies
4. Leading inexorably to a exchange of the natural use of their sexual function for one that is against nature and dysfunctional (gayhomosex)!
5. That then moving to utterly erase God ffrom their consciousness leads to them being given over and filled with all unrighteousness
6. And the resulting judgement – if they don’t repent - will be on them and those who support them.

There is no mention, alignment or reference too, or with, ritual sex rites or temple prostitution. Unless of course one is given to baseless assertions. This is about the very thing verse 18 opens with – the wrath of God against “all” Ungodliness and unrighteousness – not just specific (and nowhere defined in this portion of scripture) temple or ritual sex sins.

Bonus
An abomination is something that makes a believer (ritually) unclean or defiled. Homosex or endorsing homosex will do that everytime. Either way, don't be fooled - be delivered, be washed.


TV

MuttleyLaff:
Does "force it" mean or imply openmine, hmm?

Stick to title heading of this thread and stop this your strawman mining crap already

I always knew you would dump the main issue of scrutiny and dabble into unnecessary and inessential talks that have no bearing on the discus at hand in order for you to temporarily get yourself out of jail!

This is the foundation of your thread: in simple terms,you want to PROVE that God loves,tolerates and allows homosexual acts USING SCRIPTURES! right?

But What did you do? You ended up displaying submissions without a single scripture...You uproariously pulled out a verse from Matthew 19:12 that was palpably referring to "eunuchs" but you thought it wise to vivaciously and blatantly slide in the homosexual tag into that verse!
Not done with your glibness and increasingly rattled stance while gasping for air,you uneasily and hesitatingly hoisted an unconnected and rambling scripture in Romans 8:1-2 which finally confirmed my thoughts all along that your asseveration had little or no scriptural inclination!

I laugh in tongues!
Your evasive maneuverings are so predictable and unsurprising....from not offering a single scripture to excessive name tags and finally to repetitive psychobabble!
Is that all you can muster?

One feels like he is cleaning out the Augean stables here - a mile high pile of homosexualist excrement. Below is a response to post 2 of MuttleyLaffs fantasy delusion posted earlier .

MuttleyLaff:
1/ From time immemorial, same sex attraction and/or same sex relationship always make up, less than 5% of worldwide population, so has never being and wont ever be a threat to anything or anyone, just as infertiles of all sorts arent.

A pointless and scripturally unattested assertion, and questionable piece of information. A believer should have zero tolerance towards sin which is "...reproach to a nation". Specifically the type which defiles a person and pollutes the land, potentially leading to a "vomiting"...judgement!

MuttleyLaff:
2/ God never said he hated homosexual(s) or homosexual acts per se, so please if you believed this, stop lying to yourself and stop deceiving others with your crass ignorance.

The abominable nature of ss intimacy is repeated throughout the bible. OT, NT. Clearly enunciated within in the biblical narrative. Scripture repeatedly referenced and exegeted here.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ If you are adamant, then show me in the Bible where God outrightly said he hates homosexuality, homosexual or homosexual acts per se and be prepared to clearly, cleanly and correctly defend it

Per 2 above. Meanwhile, feel free to show the board where God said he loves "homosexuality or homosexual acts. For bonus points, please show us where God confirms the distinction between, yet equivalence of, "heterosexual" and "homosexual" relationships, and/or how the He instituted the marriage institution for both opposite and same sex couples. For yet more reward points, please show us how ss couples cleave to one another .

MuttleyLaff:
4/ The words, homosexuality and homosexual are not in the original texts of the Bible
In fact, the words homosexuality and/or homosexual, actually are words that's barely 200 years old.
The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times
Another fact, is that, the word "homosexual" was first printed in a German book in 1869, and then after placed in the German Bible in 1946 and later then in the English bible in 1950s.

Something I pointed out on this thread earlier. Whatever the rendering of the words used to describe the acts, the acts themselves are clearly condemned .

MuttleyLaff:
5/ God has never had any objection to the homosexuality act of my purview

Learned friend, please demonstrate it, kindly evidence it from scripture. Scholarly nwanne, assertions, no matter how strenuous or repeated, are not evidence .

MuttleyLaff:
6/ It is glaring, except if in denial, what the meaning of Paul's "malakois" and "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 translated to "homosexual" ( or homosexual acts in 1946 and 1950s are

On the contrary, the use of these words by Paul attest to a blanket condemnation of any form of homosexual activity. And relatining it to the prohibitions on Leviticus - which were themselves universal - and unambiguously so - makes the case all the more.

MuttleyLaff:
7/ If you know, you know, that there is no sin grading. No sin, except for the one against the Holy Spirit, is bigger than any other sin. If you're sinful, you are a sinner. Period and that's all, even if the occassional lies, white lies and all too. So even, if same sex attraction were to a be a sin, thank God it isnt, then stop being like a lot of inexcusable people on this thread, looking and pointing at the speck, in a brother's eye, but failing to notice, the beam log in their own hollier than thou eye.

Sin grading is not the point of this discussion and merely a ruse by you - and a clear flaw in your argument. No one argues that lies are acceptable to God, which is what you assert with regards to ss acts.

MuttleyLaff:
8/ Greed, covetousness, and lust are improper homosexual and heterosexual desires and/or faults that when acted upon not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity etcetera but equally is at a detriment to, betrayal of or cheating on another or other person(s) whom love, faithfulness, commitment, honesty, lasting that's life-long and loyalty was professed to whilst in a relationship, that's same sex or otherwise

God did not create heterosexual or homosexual categories of person. God created humans sexed male & female, and with a complimentary sexual function. "Homosexual" is merely a social euphemism for dysfunction, and "heterosexual" is an attempt to present that dysfunction as a natural/normal option. That is the deceitful narrative presented by the world. The scriptures - the word of our Creator - clearly states otherwise.

MuttleyLaff:
9/ There's a lot of things when you read in the Bible you have to know what you're reading about, know the context, the history of it and the customs of the land and so you know what these words, like in #6 etcetera originally means

Cultural context and historical understanding certainly help, however, they don't advance your case in this instance.

MuttleyLaff:
10/ All the scriptures, that most Christians, whatnot or otherwise, the likes of TV01, elated177, jesusjnr, shepherd00, solite3, Goshen360, openmine, alBHAGDADI, VBCampaign, Ubenedictus, ujnwachukwu, Image123, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, kkins25 etcetera use to condemn consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults, do not talk about consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults at all.

In a very limited sense you are right here - the do not talk specifically about consensual ss acts - they are a blanket condemnation of all ss acts.

MuttleyLaff:
11/ The word sodomite, historically and originally, was never and is not another word for consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults (i.e. not gays or homosexual). The word sodomite, from the on set, as in the Bible, is a word originally meant for a male temple prostitute(s) and never the definition of consensual adults same sex couples, that are in a kind, trusting, caring, loving, faithful, no harm done to each other or any other person and committed life long, until death do them apart relationships (i.e. gays)
so be a good idea to understand the

Sodomite 0, catamite 0, rent boy 0, whatever. The prohibition is against all acts of a ss nature. Your attempt to find cause for a certain kind fails woefully. Flat on your face buddy .

MuttleyLaff:
12/ In Paul's day there were at least, 17 words in Greek that Paul could have used to talk about gays if he wanted to say gay is sin but instead of using any of those already existing 17 Greek words, Paul invented and coined a new Greek word, "arsenokoites", it is the word I have been mentioning up above. Now for the attention of my lovely two brothers TV01 and Shepherd00, Paul in Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24 & 27 is echoing what happened around when the pronouncement Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were made and/or given

And the words Paul coined in Greek reflect the Hebrew words used to utterly condemn it in Leviticus..

MuttleyLaff:
13/ Bearing in mind, that, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen. Now TV01, Shepherd00, openmine and others, dont you think, it would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", that, in his construct, he used, man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites), as in plural, hmm? Has the penny dropped yet, erh?
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The term is clearly capturing men in the bed, something of a relflection of the Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled". Here any bed shared by ss couples is abominable. It was a blanket condemnation and universal prohibition of what is an abominable, depraved, detestable and defiling act. Period.


TV

MuttleyLaff:
I repeat what I said earlier, that I have plenty more surprising facts for you, and that your squirming and agonizing days have just begun. If not that you, elated177, jesusjnr etcetera are afraid of answering questions...

I am surprised some people who claim to know Christ are trying to justify Spiritual depravity in the name of liberalism. I do not intend to argue any case here as the Scriptures is clear and unambiguous when it comes to homosexuality and bestiality.


Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."


Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

Bestiality:
Deu 27:21:
"Cursed be he that lies with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen."

Lev 18:23:
"Neither shall you lie with any beast to defile yourself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion."

Lev 20:15:
"And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and you shall slay the beast."

Lev 20:16:
"And if a woman approach to any beast, and lie down thereto, you shall kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."


I see no conditionalities attached to this: I don't know whether the word RAPE or CONSENSUAL is attached to these Scriptures.

My bro!
Homosexuality is a sickness at the same level with Paedophiles, Bestiality, Frotteurism, Sexual masochism and Sexual sadism. It is better the sick person go for Deliverance rather than making excuses to justify that which is an abomination before God!

SIN is SIN! You can't excuse it away!

shadeyinka:
I am surprised some people who claim to know Christ are trying to justify Spiritual depravity in the name of liberalism. I do not intend to argue any case here as the Scriptures is clear and unambiguous when it comes to homosexuality and bestiality.

Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

Bestiality:
Deu 27:21:
"Cursed be he that lies with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen."

Lev 18:23:
"Neither shall you lie with any beast to defile yourself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion."

Lev 20:15:
"And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and you shall slay the beast."

Lev 20:16:
"And if a woman approach to any beast, and lie down thereto, you shall kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

I see no conditionalities attached to this: I don't know whether the word RAPE or CONSENSUAL is attached to these Scriptures.

My bro!
Homosexuality is a sickness at the same level with Paedophiles, Bestiality, Frotteurism, Sexual masochism and Sexual sadism. It is better the sick person go for Deliverance rather than making excuses to justify that which is an abomination before God!

SIN is SIN! You can't excuse it away!

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You have grossly misunderstood Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 brother.

You dont need to argue anything, I wasnt requiring you to argue anything. I am just presenting facts, the least you can do, is fact check. Fact check each and all I have so far typed, just like a Berean and a good student of 2 Timothy 2:15 will do.

I wont be surprised, if you haven't also misunderstood what Paul wrote and what Paul was saying in Romans Chapter 1, along with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and so thereby wrongly say things Paul was not at all saying.

Just watch, as I respond individually to the recent comments TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine have just made immediately above.

MuttleyLaff:
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You have grossly misunderstood Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 brother.

You dont need to argue anything, I wasnt requiring you to argue anything. I am just presenting facts, the least you can do, is fact check. Fact check each and all I have so far typed, just like a Berean and a good student of 2 Timothy 2:15 will do.

I wont be surprised, if you haven't also misunderstood what Paul wrote and what Paul was saying in Romans Chapter 1, along with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and so thereby wrongly say things Paul was not at all saying.

Just watch, as I respond individually to the recent comments TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine have just made immediately above.

I just got mentioned by you on this post and am hoping your upcoming response to me should be accompanied with scriptures to defend your shaky and somewhat rattled stance!
For the umpteenth time,Show with scriptures where homosexual acts are permissible,tolerated and condoned by God!
This is the only play you have right now!

MuttleyLaff:
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You have grossly misunderstood Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 brother.

You dont need to argue anything, I wasnt requiring you to argue anything. I am just presenting facts, the least you can do, is fact check. Fact check each and all I have so far typed, just like a Berean and a good student of 2 Timothy 2:15 will do.

I wont be surprised, if you haven't also misunderstood what Paul wrote and what Paul was saying in Romans Chapter 1, along with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and so thereby wrongly say things Paul was not at all saying.

Just watch, as I respond individually to the recent comments TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine have just made immediately above.

I know you have written volumes on this issue and the argument that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek. No problem!
HOWEVER,
Please, look at the two Scriptures below of man having sex with a man as with a woman and tell me it isn't refering to homosexuality?


Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

shadeyinka:
I know you have written volumes on this issue and the argument that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek. No problem!
HOWEVER,
Please, look at the two Scriptures below of man having sex with a man as with a woman and tell me it isn't refering to homosexuality?

Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

Thank you very much for at least having the decency to admit and acknowledge that I have written volumes on the issue and the argument discussion that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek.

Now, having said that, you are very correct that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek, and this for the reason that, if Paul had wanted to use the Greek words for homosexuality, he had 17 words to choose from, but he never used any of them because he wasnt talking, never talked and wasnt interested in talking about homosexuality or consensual adults in a faithful, caring, loving until death do them apart etctera same sex relationship.

Now shadeyinka, regarding you latching on to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, please kindly visit the below link, and read the bottom half for a quick "bring you" update.
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/5#79120678

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you very much for at least having the decency to admit and acknowledge that I have written volumes on the issue and the argument discussion that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek and that you are very correct because if Paul had wanted to use the Greek words for homosexuality, he had 17 words to choose from, but never used any of them

Now shadeyinka, regarding you latching on to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, please kindly visit the below link, and read the bottom half for a quick "bring you" update.
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/5#79120678

I think my question is very simple and straightforward, are the two Scriptures refering to Homosexuality?
The answer should be either YES or NO!

Then, we can proceed from that point.

The Scriptures again:



Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

shadeyinka:
I think my question is very simple and straightforward, are the two Scriptures refering to Homosexuality?
The answer should be either YES or NO!
Then, we can proceed from that point.
The Scriptures again:

Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

That is and was a non question shadeyinka.

It is a question you are asking, to which the answer is so clear that it's not worth asking, especially after, I have advised you shadeyinka, since you were latching on to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, to please kindly visit the above link I pasted, and to read the bottom half for a quick "bring you" update and for getting a proper perspective of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Besides, I have in many sections, on this thread, deconstructed the myth(s) and lies perpetrated with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

You wouldnt have asked that question, if only, you had dutifully visited that link I volunteered, but never mind and in order of me, not to be accused of prevaricating, the answer to your "very simple and straightforward question", very simply and straightforwardly is an obvious big fat No.

MuttleyLaff:
That is and was a non question shadeyinka.

It is a question you are asking, to which the answer is so clear that it's not worth asking, especially after, I have advised you shadeyinka, since you were latching on to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, to please kindly visit the above link I pasted, and to read the bottom half for a quick "bring you" update and for getting a proper perspective of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Besides, I have in many sections, on this thread, deconstructed the myth(s) and lies perpetrated with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

You wouldnt have asked that question, if only, you had dutifully visited that link I volunteered, but never mind and in order of me, not to be accused of prevaricating, the answer to your "very simple and straightforward", very simply and straightforward is an obvious big fat No.

I read your link and it doesn't say anything related to my question. It is a Scripture study isn't it? I did honestly read your link.

Hence, my question is very important.

My question is very simple and straightforward, are the two Scriptures refering to Homosexuality?
The answer should be either YES or NO!

Then, we can proceed from that point.

The Scriptures again:



Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

shadeyinka:
I read your link and it doesn't say anything related to my question. It is a Scripture study isn't it? I did honestly read your link.Hence, my question is very important.

My question is very simple and straightforward, are the two Scriptures refering to Homosexuality?
The answer should be either YES or NO!
Then, we can proceed from that point.
The Scriptures again:Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

Dare I ask, what simply and straightforwardly was my answer to your "very simple and straightforward question" hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Dare I ask, what simply and straightforwardly was my answer to your "very simple and straightforward question" hmm?

I think you are deliberately being evasive about this.

If you feel the translation is wrong, I'll like to know.
The answer is a simple YES or NO!

I'll be willing to know the reason behind your choice.
Thank you!

shadeyinka:
I think you are deliberately being evasive about this.

If you feel the translation is wrong, I'll like to know.
The answer is a simple YES or NO!

I'll be willing to know the reason behind your choice.
Thank you!

"That is and was a non question shadeyinka.
You wouldnt have asked that question, if only, you had dutifully visited that link I volunteered,
but never mind and in order of me, not to be accused of prevaricating,
the answer to your "very simple and straightforward question", very simply and straightforwardly is an obvious big fat No."
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 8:26pm On Jun 04 2019

Just leave me jaare and carry go jor, you arent serious and you're a time-waster cum precious time killer

MuttleyLaff:
"That is and was a non question shadeyinka.
You wouldnt have asked that question, if only, you had dutifully visited that link I volunteered,
but never mind and in order of me, not to be accused of prevaricating,
the answer to your "very simple and straightforward question", very simply and straightforwardly is an obvious big fat No."
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 8:26pm On Jun 04 2019

Just leave me jaare and carry go jor, you arent serious and you're a time-waster cum precious time killer

I would plead that you don't get angry with me. Some of us are not that knowledgeable in deep Scriptures and when we ask questions that look naive, you have to pardon our simplicity.

I am happy that you have taken a position: " that the Scriptures in Lev18:22 and Lev20:13 do not refer to homosexuality"!


Homosexuality:
Lev 18:22:
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

What else do you think the Scriptures mean by "lie with a man as with a woman"?

Definition:
Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender. As a sexual orientation, homosexuality is "an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions" to people of the same sex.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

Shepherd00:

Okay then. But, I'd rather you pick out our different posts point by point directing them to us, than jumbling everyone's post in one longgggggg response. That makes it cumbersome to react to one's.

React to mine, and do so to TV01's. If we say the same thing, just point us to the one you responded to.

Your long posts are dizzying.

You were crying foir his response. Now he has dropped it nd u say its cumbersome
Muttleylaff, after all your effort ,they say your poost is full of cum...too bad

kkins25:
You were crying foir his response. Now he has dropped it nd u say its cumbersome
Muttleylaff, after all your effort ,they say your poost is full of cum...too bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM6AfzXMvc

Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do

You dont know these guys like I do. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, know how and what they breathe, know when and how they sleep, know what they eat, know when and how they like eating, know when they fart and shiit, know the color of their shiits sef

I kept telling and reminding them that, I not only, mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, and that this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this subject matter and them too. I was waiting for each of them round the corner. You see, in situations like this, you bide your time, smoke people out, draw them into the open, then either get hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to escape or try to evade capture. Going for the jugular, would be a last resort.

I deliberately stopped myself from replying to the three musketeers individual last posts done before yours because I wanted them to stew. I wanted the impact of what I've so far typed, sink and settle in. I have the replies to their last posts done but sitting on my MAC

My gloves are still on, imagine the damage I would inflict, if I were to take off my gloves. I also have being holding back myself, and just being throwing half punches, hitting them with kid gloves and not forceful ones

I said it before, that I have gunpowder and loads of ammo ready and more than enough to face the Battle of Armageddon

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM6AfzXMvc

Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do

You dont know these guys like I do. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, know how and what they breathe, know when and how they sleep, know what they eat, know when and how they like eating, know when they fart and shiit, know the color of their shiits sef

I kept telling and reminding them that, I not only, mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, and that this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this subject matter and them too. I was waiting for each of them round the corner. You see, in situations like this, you bide your time, smoke people out, draw them into the open, then either get hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to escape or try to evade capture. Going for the jugular, would be a last resort.

I deliberately stopped myself from replying to the three musketeers individual last posts done before yours because I wanted them to stew. I wanted the impact of what I've so far typed, sink and settle in. I have the replies to their last posts done but sitting on my MAC

My gloves are still on, imagine the damage I would inflict, if I were to take off my gloves. I also have being holding back myself, and just being throwing half punches, hitting them with kid gloves and not forceful ones

I said it before, that I have gunpowder and loads of ammo ready and more than enough to face the Battle of Armageddon

Hahaha, Lol at you have gunpowder ready to face the battle of Armageddon

AngelicBeing:
Hahaha, Lol at you have gunpowder ready to face the battle of Armageddon

None of these guys would know what hit them, as they dont know what colour of bird, in my pocket, I am gradually pulling out. Besides, I havent even started on any of them yet. Is it the one whose dedication was spamming the thread with his strawman mining, and asking me to show him where in the Bible, God permits homosexual acts or where God loves, tolerates and likes homosexual acts etcetera. Or the one finding long posts challenging to read, or even is it, the one with his fraudulent replies to my lengthy 3-section long post, whose greatest enemy isn’t ignorance, but is his illusion of knowledge.

Oh Shadeyinka, I havent replied to you because, I was just giving you time enough to properly going over the thread, so you can be up-to-date with what so far all along has being written to the thread

MuttleyLaff:
None of these guys would know what hit them, as they dont know what colour of bird, in my pocket, I am gradually pulling out. Besides, I havent even started on any of them yet. Is it the one whose dedication was spamming the thread with his strawman mining, and asking me to show him where in the Bible, God permits homosexual acts or where God loves, tolerates and likes homosexual acts etcetera. Or the one finding long posts challenging to read, or even is it, the one, whose greatest enemy isn’t ignorance, but is his illusion of knowledge.

Oh Shadeyinka, I havent replied to you because, I was just giving you time enough to properly going over the thread, so you can be up-to-date with what so far all along has being written to the thread

Didn't I tell you that I read your long post?

shadeyinka:
Didn't I tell you that I read your long post?

"That is and was a non question shadeyinka.

It is a question you are asking, to which the answer is so clear that it's not worth asking, especially after, I have advised you shadeyinka, since you were latching on to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, to please kindly visit the above link I pasted, and to read the bottom half for a quick "bring you" update and for getting a proper perspective of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Besides, I have in many sections, on this thread, deconstructed the myth(s) and lies perpetrated with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

You wouldnt have asked that question, if only, you had dutifully visited that link I volunteered, but never mind and in order of me, not to be accused of prevaricating, the answer to your "very simple and straightforward question", very simply and straightforwardly is an obvious big fat No."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 8:26pm On Jun 08

shadeyinka, we've being round here before nau. Do you remember the above inverted commas quote and what I told you? OK, you read my long post, but you obviously didnt read it to see where I had already touched on the question(s) you were asking me about.

To be honest with you, I only changed my mind from going to ignore you and switched to, will indulge you because of how you lowered your tone. Remember that I accused you of not being serious and that you're a time-waster cum precious time killer?

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM6AfzXMvc

Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do

You dont know these guys like I do. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, know how and what they breathe, know when and how they sleep, know what they eat, know when and how they like eating, know when they fart and shiit, know the color of their shiits sef

I kept telling and reminding them that, I not only, mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, and that this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this subject matter and them too. I was waiting for each of them round the corner. You see, in situations like this, you bide your time, smoke people out, draw them into the open, then either get hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to escape or try to evade capture. Going for the jugular, would be a last resort.

I deliberately stopped myself from replying to the three musketeers individual last posts done before yours because I wanted them to stew. I wanted the impact of what I've so far typed, sink and settle in. I have the replies to their last posts done but sitting on my MAC

My gloves are still on, imagine the damage I would inflict, if I were to take off my gloves. I also have being holding back myself, and just being throwing half punches, hitting them with kid gloves and not forceful ones

I said it before, that I have gunpowder and loads of ammo ready and more than enough to face the Battle of Armageddon

You are just a typical noise maker!
You are bragging and boasting yet you are sadly unable to give out just one scripture to affirm and strengthen your stance rather its taking you ages to reply a simple question that seems like a bone blocked your throat!

I don't care if it takes you next year to hilariously compile your response to me...I will be waiting here unmoved and unshaken!

Mr MuttleyLaff,once again,I challenge you to reel out 'scriptures' that proves that God permits,tolerates and love homosexual acts!
No stories! no evasion! no plenty talk!