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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 9:29am On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:I am not concerned about sympathy. I am not acting like a victim, I just said, you got the wrong end of the stick about the cc openmine:You took it out of context and the fact that I made that comment and similar ones during and when talking about the lies orchestrated with misinterpreting and using falsified translated words in Bible verses like Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 etcetera openmine:You think you know my type. openmine:I fell sorry for him too. I thought he was a scholar, that he likes information and knowledge, that he reads 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 9:57am On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:You are not acting like one! You are one! Deal with it! MuttleyLaff:Guy you are running around in circles which is your trademark so am no perturbed! What again is NOTHING UNTOWARD? How can you write something you cant defend only to claim that you have been misquoted or misinterpreted! You first denied that i never said you would give out scriptures,that was busted and you started negotiating by asking for a backtrack You then denied that i quoted you out of context.... Abeg make i ask you....what is the contextual meaning behind NOTHING UNTOWARD? Abi e get Hebrew meaning way you insert there? Its so difficult to know where you stand...one minute you are saying God permits and allows homosexual acts(consensual or not),the next minute you are backtracking such statement! Chai MuttleyLaff: Yes i believe i do MuttleyLaff:I also feel sorry for you too because you are trying so hard to use him as a form of diversion right now! Please stop this your ad infinitum rigmarole! |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:02am On Jun 10, 2019 |
I had to find you and deliver my rejoinder in your stronghold... You abandoned your lecture in another thread MuttleyLaff: 1 Peter 4 "Yet if any man suffer as a CHRISTIAN, let him not be ashamed; [16] but let him glorify God on this BEHALF." (AV, 1 Peter 4:16) "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it FIRST BEGIN AT US, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (AV, 1 Peter 4:17) I just hope this need no further clarification with the capitalized.. …… begin at us being called this name , christian ….. Not just at the house but at us called this name Christian...used to distinguished them from other sects within the house of God like Pharisees and Sadducees. .....The , AND .... Gives the idea of different sect within the house of God... Every synagogue has those two prominent sect back then, Pharisees and Sadducees. General judgement for the house of God's house but special and more severe one for those called or identified as Christian ....doing things like Jesus Christ.....Following his ways and means and generating the waves as he did Note that this Peter message makes it clear that everyone is a believer who believes in God. But all all who believe in God not is a Christian . The synagogue is a place for believers . ..everyone ...that is why it was the custom of Paul to always go there to debate the scripture with them . Christian on the other hand , are believers who are following Christ methodology or teachings and examples in approaching God. Any deviation and you are a believer and not a Christian ... Muslims are believers but not Christians , Catholics are believers but not Christians , Hindus are believers but not Christians There is an easy to read version of the Bible ...get it ... That is what you need...KJV is beyond your level of development, mental and spiritual. I will continue with the other parts of your work if they have biblical input but if it is about history please forget it ... My reason is well documented in this same thread. ... Hope you have read beyond page 6, by now Ubenedictus and 9inches come and carry this your disciple. Here is the link back to the thread https://www.nairaland.com/5128731/oblate-eusebius-oguizu-dead-founder/12#79040805 MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:14am On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: The best way to have approached some of the weighty declarations you made in this your submission would have been to cite instances. An example of one such submission needing an instance is your Alignment with the school of thought that says the name Christian mentioned in this Acts 11:26 was derogatory with your reason for that being the people of Antioch were famous for giving out nicknames. The Bible says in the mouth of two or three is a thing confirmed so provide examples of their previous exploit in this business of nickname generation. To the name proper , I do not know how you came to the conclusion that the name Christian, used to distinguish or identify the believers in Christ including the Apostles here was derisive and a product of the prowess of the people of Antioch in inventing nicknames. Names known to have been given to some Christian sect as a result of their extreme or seemingly extreme proclivity for certain aspect of the scripture includes puritan, Methodist and in today's Christendom, prosperity church. Judging from the very chapter , there is no indication that the name came out of the mouth of a comedian of Antioch origin unless you can off course, point out a verse in that chapter that gave this your indication. I will help with the chapter here: The first part of the chapter was Peter accounting for his actions. The second part that has to do with the name is reproduced here as extract so you can point out where you got the idea from. "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only." (AV, Acts 11:19).........This is Inquisition in the scripture even before Rome and Constantine came into the scene. "And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, [ Not just the original 12 anymore because the company of believers had grown very large amongst the Jews and outside them] which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto [17] the Grecians, [18] preaching the Lord Jesus." (AV, Acts 11:20) "And [20] the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and [19] turned unto the Lord." (AV, Acts 11:21)..... The hand of the lord was evident in their midst therefore a GREAT NUMBER believed the evidence before ethem "Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth [21] Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch." (AV, Acts 11:22).... More hand was sent from headquarters to help in Antioch "Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and [23] exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would [22] cleave unto the Lord." (AV, Acts 11:23)..... He didn't notice derision but saw the grace of God to remain faithful to the faith "For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: [24] and much people was added unto the Lord." (AV, Acts 11:24).... More people were added ...not jokers or comedians but people of Antioch "Then departed Barnabas to [25] Tarsus, for to seek Saul:" (AV, Acts 11:25).... No ugly untoward incident before his departure "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." (AV, Acts 11:26)..... A whole year they taught MUCH people about Christ not how to be a comedian or joker per excellent but good Christian. Then they were called Christians first here in Antioch … Take note that they taught not the doctrine of man but Christ for a whole year under than hand of the Mighty Holy Spirit… Then the learned , those who have been under tutelage have them a name , Christian . Certainly if we are to believe the works of Peter in the first part of this chapter where as yet he taught the spirit fell upon all them that heard , we can draw similar conclusion that the name came from the student under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and not a comedy thing. You can't be under discipleship for a year and not come under the disciple lifestyle. They taught and impartation followed and the next things was the spirit inspired outburst, Christians! There is no elements of joke in the name. Nothing dishonouring about it. Nothing controversial about it like prosperity CHURCH and all the misinformation out there against them. Christin , doing the Christ way. Through uncommon wisdom, practical demonstration of the power of the world to come … What is derisive about that? As imperfect as Buhari is, to be called a Buharideen in the right circle like in the villa, government houses across Nigeria and the media like NTA carries weight not dishonour. “To be the professed friends of the Messiah, or the Christ, was not with Jews a matter of reproach, for they all professed to be the friends of the Messiah” . Reproach is when you called them followers of a sectional like like Jesus of Nazareth like , sorry, calling a knowledgeable Tinubu loyalist a follower of the leader of APC in Lagos state or southwest and not Nigeria. It is derogatory. "And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?" (AV, Acts 2:7) "[4]For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:" (AV, Acts 24:5) You don't a derogatory name from believers who have harboured you and listened to you for a whole year. . It always comes from outsiders like the one condemning prosperity churches without ever entering any to find out what they actually preach. Will continue with the other parts of your work later. I am at home and my boy is not letting me have any rest today . NB: this is for Ubenedictus and 9inches. An angel could not save a soul even though soul winning is the core of the great commission. He had to instruct the man to send for Peter .. he didn't try to do the works of human being and your church believe that a being that can't save can intercede for other issues of life ... Crazy bunch of lunatics. Here is the link https://www.nairaland.com/5128731/oblate-eusebius-oguizu-dead-founder/12#79040805 MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:16am On Jun 10, 2019 |
The same applies to you. You don't know your league Having read a couple of badly written so called history books you imagine you were ready to take on anybody . Small boy MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:18am On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:I can defend what I wrote about the lies perpetrated by falsifying original Bible text meanings about myth and Bible verses made to look as if same sex relationships and acts are to be hated. Nothing untoward, means, there is nothing in the clobber verses you and others band about that originally ever said anything against homosexuality and same sex relationships or unions. Have you got it now? I never backtracked, never flinched but was trying to accommodate you by being fair, generous and open handed. I never denied anything, what I said is you are asking me something that isn't in the remit of why thread was opened. The thread's title is self explanatory about the objective of the author. I can easily answer you, as I have and did advance the information already somewhat in my long post, but I know, you wouldn't follow and reciprocate after I've answered you 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:22am On Jun 10, 2019 |
Nodogragra4me:I am sorry, I immediately had you in mind, when I saw your post reply on the other thread, but as you can see, I am caught preoccupied here on this thread. I will catch up with on there as soon as possible, as I was looking forward to taking you up on your arguments there. Please wait for me to come over there. We will have a ball. Where did you get the idea that I read from history books, hmm, badly written or not, eh? Please can you mind your language, who is your small boy here, hmm? Respect is a two way traffic, get your manners in check. Thank you, if not, then don't bother commenting anymore 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:25am On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Making such statements can only mean you never had scriptures to back your claims...no? MuttleyLaff: You are putting too much words on this! Or let me make it easier for you before you say you were wrongly misquoted! God permits and allows homosexual acts..YES OR NO? MuttleyLaff: Ohh yes you did! Fortunately,my recent posts dont lie! No matter the title of the thread....when the body lies,the entire thread including the title gets robbed of the truth! Next time,be straight forward with the persons you intend inviting to such threads! I believe the reason why you are not getting much support or inputs from advocates of SS unions on your thread is because you made it seem like you had scriptures to prove that God permitted such acts! MuttleyLaff:Another barefaced lie that may end up being rejected by yours truly! Oga lets face it...you have none! And that's the saddest and most worrisome part of this discus! Next time,dont claim or boast about what you can't do! 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:26am On Jun 10, 2019 |
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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 11:37am On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:Making that statement was said in relation to the Bible verses that have been twisted to mean and say things the original text never said nor meant. Those were the scriptures that I was expecting and planned to deal with. The claims I made were against the lies, I was unrevealing openmine:You of course, know my answer is Yes. I have never hidden or sat on the fence about that. openmine:I invited all and sundry to come witness the expose done on the lies and myth as the title of the thread tells. You know what my primary and major objective was openmine:Why don't you put here verbatim what I typed and lets both examine it contextually openmine:Its always people like Nodogragra4me who are cerebrally small who would see and call others they know nothing about, they haven't met, small boy. 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:54am On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Thats has been my issue with you all along! You left the scriptures that will intro you submissions to dispute other scriptures that other held onto! You were unable to offer no scripture to back your claims! The ones you even managed to muster were unrelated and unconnected verses in Matthew 19:12 and Romans 8:1-2! MuttleyLaff: So its simply means that God loves homosexual acts nah Isn't that what i said that made you say i am misinterpreting you? Don't you know that whatever you permit or tolerate only implies that you love it? We no dey english class ohh MuttleyLaff: Expose on lies and myth using SCRIPTURES Oga! Don't omit that part in your earlier submissions! For once say the truth and eat your humble pie! MuttleyLaff: And yet you were accusing someone of the same thing you are doing right now..... Practice what you preach! These are your very words....Don't take us backwards MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:57am On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:When someone gives you a dose of your own medicine,you protest! |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by TV01(m): 12:22pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 12:43pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:I can't on my smartphone see the original URL link to my post you pasted up above. I will wait until when I get on MAC to review and prove you got everything wrong especially about the context of the content you brought up openmine:Which kind dose of your own medicine is that ehn? Why not show me, where I've called you or any other poster small boy like Nodogragra4me did, hmm? 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 12:46pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
TV01:Naija will catch up and stop stripping people stark naaked Naija in five to fifteen years time, will have same sex persons in government. Mark my words Good buff and fit body though. The knight in shining armour at the end carried her in his arms. Ended good at the end. |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 12:52pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Oga if you want i can help you screen-grab that place for you! In-fact, let me go back and check if you have 'mistakenly' edited your own words! I no trust you! Even the guy dey deny him own words! Context kor content nii Abi you write am in greek or hebrew where you wan find context on-top wetin you write by yourself? |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:06pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:Please do, with the context that led up to me making the comment showing also in the screen grab. Thank you |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 1:24pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: You are asking me to do what you will never do if i requested for such! However,am not like you! I cant place all your quotations here but i can do a trail from your apparent gloating that led to the last statement you admittedly made which confirmed my suspicions about your hesitant stance! I have neither made any alterations and you can feel free to cross-check if the need arises! Enjoy!! MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:48pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Never mind, when I get behind my MAC, we'll find out 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 1:52pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Na you sabi |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:23pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:From what you've pasted up there, it comes across that the author wasnt necessarily going to spoon feed anyone, as actually was expecting them to lift things themselves, as opposed him giving them stuff on a platter, don't you think openmine? |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 2:56pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Oga you dey find talk! I have given you what you requested for! Whenever you are making a postulation or theory esp one that is as controversial as yours,making your submissions and the base of your argument which is providing scriptures should be key! Explicit and straightforward! Even controversial topics as tithe was done in such a manner that one can view them using scriptures! This was what I have been saying all along! However,when you leave gaps on your patchy theory and expect people will swallow it hook,line and sinker,then you are in for such reactions! 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 3:23pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:Its good to talk naa. If I may ask you what were the circumstances I had that brought up the postulation or theory. The patch theory as you put it, were content, now openmine, what was the context of those content please. |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 4:06pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Bros you wan give person work when person get work to do abi? Okay! Theory is to research what doctrine is to scriptures! You can't make a single hypothesis without the utilization of samples or researches..same is applicable to doctrines...Scripture must be seen to correspond or be in sync with scriptures to have a well defined doctrine! A half baked doctrine like tithe payment will definitely encounter a logjam esp when scriptures are there to resist such teachings! No scripture is of private interpretation just as an individual theory without varying researches can't stand the test of time! What am simply saying is that postulations must have a fulcrum or base that it must stand on! If you are making an assumption or theory using God as a base for argument,then you must access his scriptures as a baseline! These scriptures must be simplified,comprehensive,straightforward and inspired by the holy spirit! |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 4:33pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:Dont worry about that anymore. I've found where the comments are and the contexts surrounding them, so "karamọse" bring in the benjamins, your madam and bom boy are there to look after naa Like I thought you did, you did actually lifted my comments and isolated them from the circumstances that formed the setting for me making those comments. I keep it real because I am not afraid to make or have enemies, but sheesh!, with you and the extent of what you've done with those your devious stunts you pulled on me, who needs enemies? I am now putting together and presenting the the historical context of my comments you cherry-picked from, and presented in such a way to discredit me and make me appear bad. I dont know how someone can descend to this level to concoct false doubts this way, just so as to make me look less honest. Na wa ooo, all just because harmless, gentle, easy going minding their own business same sex couples' issues. Anyway, it is well, let me continue getting this up for presentation here. "Ah mo juba" loosely translated means "I hail thou" I have said this before, that, at appropriate times, appropriate scriptures will be shared |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 6:23pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Oga you talk too much! Saying that what you just posted is a load of drivel is an understatement! When a guy denies his own words,then you know he can even deny his own name! It took you ages to accept your very words that you put up about God Supporting homosexual acts....such person can deny his own shadow! You always play the victims and sentiments card when you have been caught napping! The only advise I will give you is to be careful what you say,but I doubt if you will heed to such advise since you are likely to make another gaffe in future and still deny it! Next time look before you leap! MuttleyLaff:Saved for future purposes/references in case you suddenly develop another 'amnesia' while reading!! 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Ranchhoddas: 6:59pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
openmine:Which kind grammar be this Cc: KingEbukasblog |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 7:09pm On Jun 10, 2019 |
Ranchhoddas:Spanish grammar |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 6:20am On Jun 11, 2019 |
openmine:[img]https://s3/images/screengrab1.jpg[/img] [img]https://s3/images/screengrab2.jpg[/img] [img]https://s3/images/screengrab3.jpg[/img] [img]https://s3/images/screengrab4.jpg[/img] *Drum roll please!: ... and the award for the thread's best liar goes to openmine The truth always comes out one way or another and so with the four above screenshot grabs, I have exposed your subterfuge and lies against me. A liar's worst eneny is someone with a fairly good memory. You isolated my comments from the events and points that lead up to them, you showed my comments only just to make up lies of me, misrepresent me and to mislead others by presenting them, only just as the segmented boxed stars shown above. I knew you took my comments out of context and lifted them out, in isolation of how they came about, but what I now dont know about someone like you, is how you can tell so many barefaced fanstatic lies about me, not feel bad about it and continue to still make up further and more lies about me, like lying about what I've said, without minding how or considering the preceding circumstances behind why I said whatever it is I might have said. I dislike liars intensely, like you and what you've done, actually especially for lying, when all I was doing was keeping it real on the thread. I have resigned myself to not again exchange with someone like you, who believes their lies about me, concocted up in their own head. You cant constantly be lying against me and expect me to remain interested in you because compulsive or pathological liars like you are, are very difficult to have an engagement with, and you've betrayed the trust, of me taking anything you anymore say on face value. The lies didnt bothers me, it's the way you used the lies to twist matters up to suit your agenda and never felt bad about that plus aside the fact of your make up lies, it was how you showed to everyone that you are a troll and heckler here to disturb the peace and be insulting. I wish, you ignore me, same way, I am just about after this post going to start ignoring you # Ignore Mode ON. Poof!! Magic. # Phew!! The unclean and lying spirit has been too long strong out in here 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 6:20am On Jun 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: openmine:[img]https://s3/images/screengrab6.jpg[/img] I use all sorts of languages and dialects in my post. Go check my profile and the post history for proof, aside from the screengrab above, showing it never is a new thing I do, like you lied about Ranchhoddas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM6AfzXMvc Dont mind him jaare, thats how Lack of social grace, makes some, try too hard to look smart and so start using incorrect and inapplicable big English words like "echolalia, neoteric" etcetera 1 Like |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:40am On Jun 11, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Good morning my quibble and petrified amigo I went through some uproarious and rib-tickling moment when i read through this load of crap and the very fact that you find some words hard to discern re-enforces my belief that some pips are just 'educated illiterates'! Oga dont denigrate and embarrass yourself if your system is having a hard time finding out the meaning of words...Google could have been your salvation!! Repetition: the action of repeating something that has already been said or written. "her comments are worthy of repetition" synonyms:reiteration, repeating, restatement, retelling, iteration, recapitulation; recital, rehearsal; informal recap; rarereprise, iterance repeating, echoing, parroting, quoting, copying;echolalia neoteric: Recent,new This was the statement made in response to his dialect usage!
But Mr MuttleyLaff was so terrified and went ballistic as he could not decipher the words used even after he sort the assistance of his MAC 2020 So due to his deficient assimilation, i have subserviently decided to disintegrate the word down to his level! I no want person pikin to kolo because of simple words!
Now let me attend to the other mention that is not only hysterical but a web of mendacious,ham-fisted,and an endless trail of fatuous exhibit! 2 Likes |
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 11:30am On Jun 11, 2019 |
/\/\/\ Ignore Mode ON 1 Like |
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