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| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by ozoneboy(m): 11:12am On Jun 09, 2019 |
LifestyleTonite:Must you insult someone to make your point,and to think you consider yourself a Christian and still insult someone makes a mockery of your religion |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Cmeo(m): 11:14am On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:If going by your assertion that the law is meant to make us live right on earth, then the tithe law has been replaced by Personal/Company Income Tax. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by winnah(f): 11:17am On Jun 09, 2019 |
tunjijones:Sir I believe that's a fallacy for there are not just 'is' scriptures that made mentioned of tithing... Even though they are not as commandment but it is an indication that even in Jesus time people where paying tithe but never for once he did condemned it. Matthew 23:23 (KJV) - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Luke 18:12 (KJV) - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess Luke 11:42 (KJV) But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. But you see the one I love most.. This is like a commandment to priesthood to collect tithe.. Hebrews 7:5 - (KJV) And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Hamzaay(m): 11:17am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Imaging Christians attacking Christians.. When you all aren't organised, how do u guys think you will convert someone peacefully to your religion when you all believe that if not your sect all sects are going to hell... The truth is majority of christians don't understand their bible and only believe only what the person in the alter says. And this person host on their ignorance to extort them. I see pastors as motivational speakers and not preachers |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Finallydead: 11:30am On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Bro. I want 2 biliv u're a true brother. Pls its dangerous and unscriptural 2 biliv in the once saved always saved doctrine. There is indeed eternal security for the soul but that is what we call salvation of the soul, the END, not beginning of ur faith (1 Pet 1:5-10, esp 9) which is what we must work out( Php 2:13). We must attain to this security by working out well (utilizing the grace or ability of God inside of us) like Paul even after maturing in God (Php 3:11-14) pressed for (Heb 10:38-39). ![]() |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by OkCornel(m): 11:30am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Hamzaay:Isn't it also true that Sunni and shi'ite Muslims also hate and fight one another? I'm not saying this to justify what is happening in the Christendom... I've noticed followers of a founder of a particular religion end up fighting one another due to doctrinal differences... There's no point criticizing Christianity for such when the same matter is prevalent in other religions as well... |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by AlcoholAlchohol: 11:44am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Topmaike007:I understand that it isn't logical and down right dumb to have that declaration on Islamic tread, but I feel you don't have the right to fight against what a person believes, from your statement, you are trying to say Christianity is superior to any other belief?.. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by jubrilcastle(m): 11:45am On Jun 09, 2019 |
iammo:You finish work here. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by stanliwise(m): 11:49am On Jun 09, 2019*. Modified: 12:11pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:You have a point but still your post doesn't render the facebook post useless. There is something fundamentally wrong with your post. The last especially part especially you make it look like we are to focus on the law that are still relevant and add the new ones in the new testament, this mode of thinking is very wrong, to shock you, neither the old testament law or the new one are we to focus on, we should instead focus on the purpose. The implications of this is that clearly, love become the only compass to know the law to obey and which not to. Whether old or new testament, if you look closely there is no law we are to follow at everytime. rather the big picture is to question ourself on the purpose why the law was made. Simply conclusions is God doesn't care about the law, he care about the purpose, the law were crafted so that we can meet the purpose, if we follow all the laws and fail the purpose everything is rendered void. The issue of being saved by grace is another topic entirely as it surpass the effort of men. But when it comes down to what our actions should be, instructions between new or old testament, modified or changed doesn't matter here, the purpose is more prefferable. By the purpose is best guiding light. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by victorazyvictor(m): 11:51am On Jun 09, 2019 |
goldcoinhub:Who is forcing you! |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 11:53am On Jun 09, 2019 |
We should Learn to live and not twist the Scriptures...The Old Laws were the Laws of Sin and Death,You sin You Die for it but Christ came and modified it...The views of Christ about Sin,Death,Tax and Sabbath were mainly Clear...So let me make this Clear; CHRIST CAME AND REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW (Galatians 3 v 10-14) "For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says,The person who does these things will live by them.13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written:Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. (Romans 8 v 1- 2) Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. CHRIST DID NOT ABOLISH THE LAW. Jesus Speaking in (Matthew 5:17) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" John Speaking in (1 John 2 v 6-7) "Whooever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. (2 John 5 v 4-5) " It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning". GOD WANTS US TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS (1 John 5 v 2-3) "This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome. (2 John 1v 6) "And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love". (Rev 22 v12-14) “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city". U all Have a wonderful Sunday. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Topmaike007(m): 11:53am On Jun 09, 2019 |
AlcoholAlchohol:I am speaking Base on my Own opinion |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by benji93: 11:55am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Sorry, which law of the land, the constitution? mysteryman2014: |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by iammo(m): 11:59am On Jun 09, 2019 |
uwabuwa888:Holy ghost can posses anybody, infact some white garment churches believe so much in that. However whenever the God of Abraham wants to give his insctuction he either comes down, in form of a bright light or voice from above (case of adam, moses) or he sends Angel Gabriel |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 12:08pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:The priest comes from the levites tribe. Which tribe do you think Aaron came from? it's from the tribe of levites and they are mandated to carry out priesthood functions. My guy study your Bible very well. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by emperorzz(m): 12:10pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
LifestyleTonite:it's funny to see Christians fight themselves in full glare of the populace who they are suppose to be a shining example to...May God help us all. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 12:11pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:U are a confusionist. The bible has clearly stated that the old testament is obsolete, stop typing long irrelevant nonsense |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by stanliwise(m): 12:13pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
PrecisionFx:The old testament is not obsolete, it wasn't perfect and it wasn't complete for the Christians, Jesus said it himself. Matthew 5:17-20 English Standard Version (ESV) Christ Came to Fulfill the Law “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by femichill: 12:13pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
goldcoinhub:You can as well stop paying tithes. As no tithes was paid in the new testament. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 12:15pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Who is using Bible translation? Guy go and study other Bible version and stop relying only on KJV because King James knew there are other Bible version that is why he called his own version KJV. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 12:16pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Topmaike007:It would be ur life decision, has nothing to do with u. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Paul1604: 12:19pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 12:19pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
stanliwise:read the thread topic because u didnt read it. The scriptures clearly said that the old testament is obsolete. How dare u even call Gods words inperfect? Are u normal? |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by stanliwise(m): 12:20pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
PrecisionFx:Read the edited part of my comment. it was perfect for the people of the old, not for the christain. Matthew 5:17-20 English Standard Version (ESV) Christ Came to Fulfill the Law “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by benji93: 12:25pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
1. what do you mean by love is the only compass? Love of God you mean, that still comes down to the spirit of God directing us. By using the word "love", you are making the bolded sentence only vaguely comprehensible. And don't even say you need the holy spirit do understand that, you might as well not explain at all. That sounds like the right word to use when you are trying to hide something. You cannot just throw the word "love" around. 2. What do you mean by there is no law to follow at anytime,rather the big picture is to question ourself on the purpose why the law was made?What big picture? you have been watching too much movies guy, and it's fast becoming your reality. "Purpose of the Law". What other meaning can you ascribe to the law "thou shall not kill" other than "thou shall not kill", i beg, in what other ways can you interprete that. The reality is that all the messages have been so watered down that,there is at least one way to justify an egragious sin such as killing. The only rational way to think about this is to obey all laws until the new testament says otherwise. It is deceitfully confusing to use the phrase "purpose of the law", the law clearly states: "do not commit adultery", what other purpose is there if not "do not sleep with another man's wife," or are you allowed to sleep with another man's wife when he is on vacation, or the woman is lonely. Ma guy, i am sorry to say this, but you don't appear forthcoming. Peace. stanliwise: |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 12:29pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:You see why i said you don't understand the Bible as you claim. Why are you not practising the Passover night, the unleavened bread, wearing of one apparel, keeping your Beard's without shaving, sending your wife or sisters away when they are on their menses etc why are you not practising it since the law was not abolished. Guy as of when Christ had not died the law was still in place because he had to fulfill it by his death and gives us grace. The practice of the new testament started when Christ resurrected and the apostles kept the new law which is Grace. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by pelegiga92(m): 12:44pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.[/quote]don't be deceived by the devil's doctrine my friend |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by pelegiga92(m): 12:45pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.[/quote]don't be deceived by the devil's doctrine my friend |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Paul1604: 12:51pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Hello man.. My first time on posting on nairaland so am new here Anyways about your long post which you mentioned were you corrected the OP as someone who isn't filled with the spirit. You were right in some points raised like depending on the law for salvation is invalid as Christ has fulfilled the law. U said some practices still stand like tithing and that since Christ didn't say exclusively it should be stopped in the New Testament hence it's still valid Now tithing is an Old Testament law which was done for to help d levites people. U made mention of the priest collecting it like Aaron and even mechidezek. Remember when Jesus Christ fuffiled the law ie died for our sins he became the new priest after the order of mechidezek. So for we believers in the dispensation of grace, Christ is our high priest. And there is no record of Christ collecting tithes in his 30+ years on earth as a human it makes it surprising. Even when Christ mentioned tithing in the New Testament he didn't even go in detail into saying if we should continue it yet cos dose were Old Testament practixes so at that moment he has not fulfilled the law yet since he was still alive. It is just like when Christ taught the people our Lord's prayer. It says forgive us our sins as we forgive others. But now as believers our sins are forgiven already but Christ taught it like that cos he hasn't died to fulfill the law. If you say tithing is valid and you still do it as it is obvious from your message. Just take time today to check all verses where tithte was written in the Bible you will see that it was always food stuff only .then I know you will say it's cos dey were only farmers which isn't true cos Dey were blacksmith and carpenter and so on. There was money cos if you go back as far as Genesis where you see silver and shekels and what have you they only tithed on food. So if you wanna tithe self it has to be only food which you are obviously breaking. Then if you study the Bible again you will see dah when Dey even decided to tithe with money it was 30 percent. U need to study too cos you seem to act like you are a citadel of knowledge which is not d disposition of a true believer. So dah means you should be tithing 30percent.my brother free yourself from this mentality and give freely as commanded in the New Testament. If you want to give God 100 percent or even 50 or even 10 percent as long as you give from a happy heart Dahs wahs matters. That is what we as believers preach. Tithing has no impact on salvation. The position of a believer is to give to show thanks for Wah God has done. Selah |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Adakintroy: 12:52pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Christ himself did not come to abolish the laws but to make them complete. Ask yourself what is the law. It's just but a guide. To what?. To right way of living. If you are led by the Spirit which Christ came to teach us. We won't have need for the laws. For it will teach us all things and bring all things back to our rememberance. The law became obsolete only because Christ introduce us to the spirit. Man will always need a guide to god. A better guide came in this form. Aside the pharisee were using for the bascs for rightouseness. We're as its just faith |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Ubdavis(m): 12:58pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Make una d slog it out there
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