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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 9:34am On Jun 09, 2019
Zubi10:
look at what this Man is saying.. spiritual book, only the spirit will understand. that is y I found so many errors in the Bible instead of the pastor to explain he said is the miracle of The Bible.. miracle to find errors

You found supposed errors because the Bible will always be foolish to you due to you not having the spirit to understand it.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 9:43am On Jun 09, 2019
[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=79155554]

It wasn't for Levites alone, but for the Priests and for the running of the House of God. Go and study.[/quote

Pls keep quiet before anyone collect tithe he must be a levites and levite is a tribe in Isreal that is mandated to collect tithes from other tribes in isreal. Pls tell me is anybody from Nigeria from any tribe in isreal? is our modern day pastors levites? why are we practicing nonsense in our churches, what does not relate to us we are practicing.
Before any pastor can collect tithe he must be a from one of the tribe in isreal and a levite.

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 9:45am On Jun 09, 2019
The only questions I have are "If the Old Testament is not for Christians, Why is it written in the Bible? The Bible and the words in it are for who? Why not written the two in different books?" 3 in 1 questions.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by MrPRevailer(m): 9:45am On Jun 09, 2019
What is past is the Moses law concerning cleansing. Jesus is the Lamb of God he came to take away our sins.
Law is still relevant in a Christian Life. And everyone will be judged according to what he has done in his body. 2 Corinthians 5:10

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
21 of the which I tell you that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by SaintLucia: 9:46am On Jun 09, 2019
Topmaike007:
Seun is a real Coward... common upgrade he will not upgrade Nairaland,na to dey place curse for forum him Sabi
You now see the reason why NBC shut down AIT and Ray Power.

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 9:47am On Jun 09, 2019
austelright1:


Pls keep quiet before anyone collect tithe he must be a levites and levite is a tribe in Isreal that is mandated to collect tithes from other tribes in isreal. Pls tell me is anybody from Nigeria from any tribe in isreal? is our modern day pastors levites? why are we practicing nonsense in our churches, what does not relate to us we are practicing.
Before any pastor can collect tithe he must be a from one of the tribe in isreal and a levite.

You are only regurgitating the lies you've been fed. The Levites aren't the ones collecting tithe. The House of God collects the tithes. A portion is only given to the Levites for their upkeep. Go and study and stop swallowing everything you are given

Can you. ow see that you are the one that needs to keep quiet?
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Jessekd01: 9:47am On Jun 09, 2019
Zubi10:
look at what this Man is saying.. spiritual book, only the spirit will understand. that is y I found so many errors in the Bible instead of the pastor to explain he said is the miracle of The Bible.. miracle to find errors



which error are you talking about, pls point a particular place in the bible
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Westsida: 9:51am On Jun 09, 2019
Lovelyn451:
just do the right thing

That’s my believe too.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by SaintLucia: 9:52am On Jun 09, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


The Israelites paid tithe so that there will be meat in God's house.


Read for women pastors


https://www.nairaland.com/4644729/rev-funke-adejumo-it-wrong
Is Rev Funke Adejuwon mentioned in the Old and New Testaments? Person wey dey quote Bible to suit her way and deceive her followers.

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by alBHAGDADI: 9:54am On Jun 09, 2019
ruffbamreal:
The only questions I have are "If the Old Testament is not for Christians, Why is it written in the Bible? The Bible and the words in it are for who? Why not written the two in different books?" 3 in 1 questions.

Don't mind those fools who say the Old Testament is not Christians. The Bibles says...

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Old Testament was even written more for us living in the end time.

1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


The Old Testament was given to us to learn from. They say experience is the best teacher. Look, another man's experience is the best teacher. It's best you see another man make mistake and learn from it, than you make a mistake before you learn. Example is Cain killing Abel. God placed a curse on him for that. His story is there to tell us that when we kill an innocent man, we get cursed by God. So to avoid such curse, we stay away from killing Innocents. Do you now understand why the Old Testament is relevant?

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 9:55am On Jun 09, 2019
For those of you that keep saying Christ didn't abolished the law pls read
Galatians 2-14-18.
[14] When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? [15] “You and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. [16] Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”[17] But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! [18] Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by tunjijones(m): 9:57am On Jun 09, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


It wasn't for Levites alone, but for the Priests and for the running of the House of God. Go and study.

My guy who are the priests in Isreal? Are they not the levites... It's obvious u dnt knw much abt the Bible. U jst believe what pastors tell u.

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by LastDays777: 10:01am On Jun 09, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


I know, while he doesn't. My understanding is grounded in the Bible and I just exposed his own weakness. So, who are you to say I don't know, especially when you haven't proved me wrong?

Don't grow in pride brother.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Westsida: 10:01am On Jun 09, 2019
Kokoebapluse:
In both new testament and old. It proof it that christainity is a scam. Pagan named christain, nothing like christainity in real life

How did you know? Just a question
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by itsene: 10:02am On Jun 09, 2019
Before Abraham I am....Jesus Christ said.

You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.
Triune God of Holy trinity all point to Christ as timeless.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 10:03am On Jun 09, 2019
alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.

Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.

Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.

According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.

Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.

He quoted the below passage.

Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.

One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.

So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.

We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.

But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.

Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.
very interesting. But because you're right doesn't mean he is wrong and because he is right doesn't mean you're wrong. It's just that you guys haven't seen clearly from each others views
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by kkkossy(m): 10:03am On Jun 09, 2019
Sometimes I find it difficult to understand the generation of pastors that originate from different doctrines. Why do we even have different churches? Because some group of pastors chose to interprete the Bible differently hence creating lasting confusion in the realm of Christendom. The Bible has talked about being wise in various verses and non of us seem to delve into such subject. Having wisdom doesn't always means ready the Bible, you also need to go to school to sharpen you knowledge about knowing what is good and how to stay healthy, prayer does not heal all. Some times you need to take drugs to be healed, sometimes blood need to transfused to patients to stay alive, crossing a dangerous road without using the pedestrian bridge can't save you from accident and prayers can't stop that from happening etc. All these are scenarios we Christians need to apply wisdom to live long and be good. It's beats me that everyone wants to believe what the pastor or prophet says inrespective of whether is good or bad. Christians follow the way of Christ and not Old Testament ways ( burnt offerings, having too many wives, fighting wars, etc). Some churches believe ladies should never wear trousers at all, pls can someone help me understand this, were the men in the Bible not wearing garments? Was there anything like trouser 3000years BC? Why should women wearing trousers being attributed to being unGodly and a sin. Africa is being too religious and not being Christians.

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by jefff455: 10:04am On Jun 09, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.
pls does once saved always saved mean even if you commit sin you will still be saved cause me I don't understand I need explanation

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by thaoriginator: 10:05am On Jun 09, 2019
iammo:
grin


“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)


“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19



Incase you find yourself in hell due to your Pastors foolishness.

Old testament was written by the only true Prophet of Gods like moses and abraham(jews and arab), which God appeared or sent angel gabriel to them on instructions of what to write.

While new testament was written by Freinds and disciple of Jesus christ without instruction from God or Jesus or even Angel Gabriel but wrote their own contradictory words.

For you to understand these disciples, you should know they were fishermen, tax collector , physician and others who later openly denied Jesus till he died and later compiled their own writtens with the help of Roman Europeans Emperiors and Decendants of Cesar whose governor crucified Jesus, since Jesus later resurrected they all came back after denying him






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The Holy Blood And The Holy Grail

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by sapientia(m): 10:07am On Jun 09, 2019
Finally, someone with sense.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by DonjuanRichie(m): 10:08am On Jun 09, 2019
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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Westsida: 10:10am On Jun 09, 2019
Bahddo:
Last last, religion na scam.

The God that created the mind-blowing universe cannot be the same one that gets jealous and angry when powerless creatures (humans) in one tiny planet in one tiny solar system at the fringe of one of the billions of galaxies in the universe chooses to not worship Him.

That's freaking petty.


God doesn’t get jealous bro! I believe people are only using God to always make their point so as to deep in the believe into humans. I’m almost a free thinker myself, but I believe God is real! Every other thing else, I do not believe.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by femi4: 10:13am On Jun 09, 2019
Maximus69:
Whoever quotes any laws for you to obey now as a Christian is NOT a TRUE believer! Romans 10:2-4
TRUE Christian have just one law which is the law of Christ, meaning we're to make Jesus our role model. Imitate him in Thoughts, Words and Actions. That's all! Hebrew 12:2
But the law is easier to obey than the rules in the new convenant
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by wmighty: 10:13am On Jun 09, 2019
[quote author=iammo post=79154786] grin


“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)


“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19


[b]
Incase you find yourself in hell due to your Pastors foolishness.

Old testament was written by the only true Prophet of Gods like moses and abraham(jews and arab), which God appeared or sent angel gabriel to them on instructions of what to write.

While new testament was written by Freinds and disciple of Jesus christ without instruction from God or Jesus or even Angel Gabriel but wrote their own contradictory words.

For you to understand these disciples, you should know they were fishermen, tax collector , physician and others who later openly denied Jesus till he died and later compiled their own writtens with the help of Roman Europeans Emperiors and Decendants of Cesar whose governor crucified Jesus, since Jesus later resurrected they all came back after denying him
This is the only clear point so far. I suggest they should ponder on the clear message of the prophets of God. Disciples, friends and the likes should not blindfold any one of reasoning and of understanding . Thanks ��
Happy Sunday

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 10:14am On Jun 09, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


You are only regurgitating the lies you've been fed. The Levites aren't the ones collecting tithe. The House of God collects the tithes. A portion is only given to the Levites for their upkeep. Go and study and stop swallowing everything you are given

Can you. ow see that you are the one that needs to keep quiet?

Now I know you don't know what you are saying.
The levites are the only people mandated to collect tithe pls read Num 18-21-24 and Deut 26-12.

Our Nigeria pastors are not levites so they have no right to collect tithe.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by wmighty: 10:17am On Jun 09, 2019
iammo:
grin


“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)


“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19



Incase you find yourself in hell due to your Pastors foolishness.

Old testament was written by the only true Prophet of Gods like moses and abraham(jews and arab), which God appeared or sent angel gabriel to them on instructions of what to write.

While new testament was written by Freinds and disciple of Jesus christ without instruction from God or Jesus or even Angel Gabriel but wrote their own contradictory words.

For you to understand these disciples, you should know they were fishermen, tax collector , physician and others who later openly denied Jesus till he died and later compiled their own writtens with the help of Roman Europeans Emperiors and Decendants of Cesar whose governor crucified Jesus, since Jesus later resurrected they all came back after denying him



This is the only clear point so far. I suggest they should ponder on the clear message of the prophets of God. Disciples, friends and the likes should not blindfold any one of reasoning and of understanding . Thanks ��
Happy Sunday


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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Westsida: 10:17am On Jun 09, 2019
alBHAGDADI:


[s]Don't mind those fools who say the Old[/s] Testament is not Christians. The Bibles says...

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Old Testament was even written more for us living in the end time.

1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


The Old Testament was given to us to learn from. They say experience is the best teacher. Look, another man's experience is the best teacher. It's best you see another man make mistake and learn from it, than you make a mistake before you learn. Example is Cain killing Abel. God placed a curse on him for that. His story is there to tell us that when we kill an innocent man, we get cursed by God. So to avoid such curse, we stay away from killing Innocents. Do you now understand why the Old Testament is relevant?


Very wrong to use that! I like the fact that you understand what you believe in so deep cos I been following your point & I even checked those scriptures on google. But I have a question;

How did bible came Into existence?
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Kokoebapluse(m): 10:20am On Jun 09, 2019
Westsida:


How did you know? Just a question


Your question have answer,.



I red Bible. And there is no single place in Bible where exist before or during the lifetime of Jesus, and it was pagan that first metion ( christain) in Bible because they are mocking Paul and co. I always ask christain what Will you know as if pagan didn't call you christain?

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by wmighty: 10:21am On Jun 09, 2019
PROPHETmichael:
Some people are funny! You will see them claiming Abraham's blessings at the same time rejecting Abraham's lifestyle.
very correct. They deceive themselves but perceive it not?
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 10:21am On Jun 09, 2019
Anyone that is paying tithe or observing part of the law is committing sin and under the curse of the law.
The law had been abolished by Christ.
Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by wmighty: 10:24am On Jun 09, 2019
Kokoebapluse:



Your question have answer,.



I red Bible. And there is no single place in Bible where exist before or during the lifetime of Jesus, and it was pagan that first metion ( christain) in Bible because they are mocking Paul and co. I always ask christain what Will you know as if pagan didn't call you christain?
hmmmmmmm.... Only if they knew. Jesus never knew anything about Christianity. Nor was it written in the Bible

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Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Mustiboy(m): 10:25am On Jun 09, 2019
How people know Bible passages so much that they could write unending epistles on Nairaland baffles me.

Nigerians are very good at mundane things . Imagine say Na book or tech stuff person know like that. Chaii

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