Ikpa001:
See supposed believers as dem dey use abusive language. Lol.... Nawao

Not all Christians are born again

kaen1317:
Every Tom, Dick and Harry is free to comment on christian related thread but when its an islamic thread nairaland will ask you to swear heaven and earth.. Every religion should be treated equally. It is very wrong to be one-sided

truth is free for all to criticise but lies is too expensive to subject to criticism.

Kinesiology:



Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant ,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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Romans 15:4
For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.

I Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

( For better understanding, u can read 1cor 10)

The old testament is there for us to learn and not for us to follow the laws...

hmm this is too accurate NICE ONE

austelright1:
For those of you that keep saying Christ didn't abolished the law pls read
Galatians 2-14-18.
[14] When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions? [15] “You and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. [16] Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”[17] But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! [18] Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.

you nailed it with this scripture. thanks

alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.

Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.

Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.

According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.

Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.

He quoted the below passage.

Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.

One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.

So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.

We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.

But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.

Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.

Didn't I once told you, you are confused as regarding law and grace? You want to preach law and grace to Christians, learn the basics to separate law from Grace, and you will see CHRIST

sacx:


Long time bro. You are always on standby on threads like this .

Please explain Ephesians 2:15 to the house, let us all sip from the wells of wisdom.

This is what Ephesians 2:15 says.
Ephesians 2:15, KJV: "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"
Leave that guy alone he knows nothing.

alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.

Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.

Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.

According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.

Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.

He quoted the below passage.

Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.

One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.

So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.

We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.

But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.

Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.

LOL. People who are not saved. So you're saved abi? Your eternal life is guaranteed, right? Continue deceiving yourself. He who is standing should watch so that he does not fall.

Nobody is saved. We are all pursuing salvation. It's a way of life, not a one time thing.

goldcoinhub:
Social media entrepreneur and activist Michael Nwanator Jr. has once again asked a crucial question on religion. He wants to know whey Christians are being 'forced' to obey the laws in old testament, despite the fact that there were none at the time.

Taking to his Facebook page, he argued that the Bible stated that the laws of the old testament are obsolete, so modern day Christians are not supposed to live by those laws.

No Christians in old testament, why are they forcing the laws on us

Read his post:

There was no Christian in the old testament, why are they making us practice the laws in the old testament?

Hebrew 8 vs 13
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
............................................................

The only thing we should emulate from Abraham is his faith. Any other thing is irrelevant, or should we also have side chics and go to war, use part of the war loot and give to a priest as tithe and later return the loots to the owners?

Christianity began after Christ came, you have no business practicing the law that bring a curse.

Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

...............................................................

God was not talking to Christians in the old testament.

You will FOREVER be ignorant and slave to some people until you start reading the scriptures by yourself.

https://lailasnews.com/no-christians-in-old-testament-why-are-they-forcing-the-laws-on-us/

lalasticlala

Jesus Christ said he didn't come to abolish the law. He came to summarize it. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. If you look at the Mosaic law, these two laws are the foundation of this lengthy Mosaic law. Then you must give to God. Na by force but under this new law of freedom, you can give according to how it pleases your heart. Na yahoo pastors still they force or coerce people for money.

benji93:
Sorry, which law of the land, the constitution?

It against the Nigerian statutory laws to practice incest.And Christians are bound to abide statutory laws that are not in opposition to God. Give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God.

ollah2:


the foolish people are folks like you who would click on the oath and still express their hatred for muslims and islam.

Foolish people like u is a Muslim bigot that won't stay of Christianity post.... because u need to masturbate on it..... Terrorists

Is there any Christan in new testament? Religion of fallacies... Christianity

Topmaike007:
Seun is too dumb to have done such,and when you look at him he was Born to a Christian home,May God not allow us to give birth to Children that will grow up and turn to Atheist,cos I can't bear the shame to tell God that I am sorry for not grooming my kids well

just look at urself saying seun is dumb now go back to the first page and see if any Muslim oppose or abuse d conversation u guys are having about religion but on the other hand Christian derail their thread for no reason saying seun is dumb and you said you r a believer... At least you waste ur precious time on his achievement.. learn to know d reason before abusing someone..

alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.

Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.

Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.

According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.

Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.

He quoted the below passage.

Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.

One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.

So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.

We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.

But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.

Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.

i ttout of saying something,but u have said it all tanks and remain bless

TruthHurts100:


LOL. People who are not saved. So you're saved abi? Your eternal life is guaranteed, right? Continue deceiving yourself. He who is standing should watch so that he does not fall.

Nobody is saved. We are all pursuing salvation. It's a way of life, not a one time thing.

If he believes in Christ Jesus only and receives Jesus he is saved. People who are believers are saved except you not sure where you belong dahs y you keep thinking everyone is in same position with you if you have a contrary view from the Bible in the New Testament you can post so you can be enlightened on the explanation. Selah

austelright1:


This is what Ephesians 2:15 says.
Ephesians 2:15, KJV: "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"
Leave that guy alone he knows nothing.

He won't answer me . Sometimes we oppose things we simply because they are new to us, instead of studying to see the basis for their validity. I would have been found in his position a few years back, but thank God for light.

We pray for many others who haven't seen, that their understandings be enlightened.

Majorly referring to. According to whom? Is there any killing that doesn't result from contempt. isreal is not a good example, the battles they fought that were ordained by God were justified. God is the only being that can override a law. I cannot judge the case of soldiers killing terrorists, that is entirely in God's hands. But by virtue of the law, it's a sin. What happened to "do not repay evil for evil" ?So i am afraid you "purpose" argument does not hold. "A man that killed forcefully out of self defense or a man who kill a child by hitting him with a car". Again, within the purview of the law, only God can judge this cases, or forgive any man that does either acts. A man could hit a child with a car due to recklessness but unintentionally. Self defence is a grey area, what defines self-defence, how cases where a policeman kills someone thinking he brought out a gun when it was a wallet?

stanliwise:
I can kill and still not disobey the law. 'Thou shall not kill' is majorly reffering to murder, genocide or any killing resulting from contempt. Israelites killed during the war, soldier kill enemies of the country and terrorist. you see where you are faulting? The purpose matter more.

A man that killed forcefully out of self defense or a man who kill a child by hitting him with a car. do this law apply to them?

Do you cross a brigde across the high way on a day declared no movement? The bridge was placed so as to avoid cars hitting people but on a day declared no movement day, Such law becomes void as ot purpose has be rendered void that day. Men were not made for the law, the laws were made for men. The big picture.

kaen1317:
Every Tom, Dick and Harry is free to comment on christian related thread but when its an islamic thread nairaland will ask you to swear heaven and earth.. Every religion should be treated equally. It is very wrong to be one-sided

oga if u vex go and create your own blog, from the comments above its clear everybody who commented is a Christian but those same Christian when they come to Muslim post they start misbehaving, that restriction is necessary for people like u.

salam1:
oga if u vex go and create your own blog, from the comments above its clear everybody who commented is a Christian but those same Christian when they come to Muslim post they start misbehaving, that restriction is necessary for people like u.

sharap there

iammo:



“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)


“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19



Incase you find yourself in hell due to your Pastors foolishness.

Old testament was written by the only true Prophet of Gods like moses and abraham(jews and arab), which God appeared or sent angel gabriel to them on instructions of what to write.

While new testament was written by Freinds and disciple of Jesus christ without instruction from God or Jesus or even Angel Gabriel but wrote their own contradictory words.

For you to understand these disciples, you should know they were fishermen, tax collector , physician and others who later openly denied Jesus till he died and later compiled their own writtens with the help of Roman Europeans Emperiors and Decendants of Cesar whose governor crucified Jesus, since Jesus later resurrected they all came back after denying him






.

You are a Muslim

alBHAGDADI:


Where did the Bible say so? If the Bible said such, how come the same Bible contains the Old testament?

Hebrew 8 vs 13.



By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

PrecisionFx:



Hebrew 8 vs 13.



By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Read and understand.

If the old law is obsolete, then what's stopping you from sleeping with your mother?

Read and understand

alBHAGDADI:


Read and understand.

If the old law is obsolete, then what's stopping you from sleeping with your mother?

Read and understand

Repsond to the scripture I quoted before u make any other submission to be discussed.

alBHAGDADI:


Pick up the Bible for once and read. instead of talking g like someone who has read it all.

Burnt offerings and Animal sacrifices were stopped in the new testament because Jesus the Holy Lamb has been sacrifices once and for all.

Hebrews 9:13-14 (KJV)
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


Now, can you show us where tithing was abolished? If you can't, then why go about saying it has been abolished?

Fraudulent Pastors keep exploiting their sheeple, after all tithing is 10% yet some pastor receive as high half your monthly salary in this Nigeria economy, moreover tithing is not meant for me and you alone but for the whole nation (eg Nigeria, America)
moreover tithing is something that is done to honour God not to fund pastors luxury lifestyle b4 u say times are changing remember God's Word never changes

Can a person cheat God? Yet, you are cheating me! “But you ask, ‘How are we cheating you?’ “When ⌊you don’t bring⌋ a tenth of your income and other contributions. So a curse is on you because the whole nation is cheating me! “Bring one-tenth of your income into the storehouse so that there may be food in my house. Test me in this way,” says the Lord of Armies. “See if I won’t open the windows of heaven for you and flood you with blessings.
Malachi 3:8‭-‬10 GW

function of the church
The church (body of Christ) should be refuge for people who have been cast down by the world afterall God choose the poor to be rich in faith, tith will enable the church to carry out this function, the church is not meant segregated people but to keep them together i.e Nicodemus
open your eyes pastors no longer preach about the Holy spirit but you see them talk about tith everyweek ,(yet the spirit is life)


you might not get my point but then this is just a thought

alBHAGDADI:


Read and understand.

If the old law is obsolete, then what's stopping you from sleeping with your mother?

Read and understand

Hebrews 7:18-19

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Christianity is dogmatic in nature. Simple question need a straight forward answer ,yet the Christians keep begging the question without an answer.
There was no christian in old testament yet the are forcing the law on us. Is Christianity the same thing as Judaism ?

Paul1604:


If he believes in Christ Jesus only and receives Jesus he is saved. People who are believers are saved except you not sure where you belong dahs y you keep thinking everyone is in same position with you if you have a contrary view from the Bible in the New Testament you can post so you can be enlightened on the explanation. Selah

So because he's saved, he can go ahead and do whatever he likes and he'd still be saved abi? Akiiika

alBHAGDADI:


If you sin while saved, you won't missed heaven. God might only punish you here on Earth, but your eternal security is certain.

Please read the below threads. They will get you saved. Ignore Tonto Dikeh news for today and read the threads. Thanks

https://www.nairaland.com/4942940/judas-demas-examining-verses-people


https://www.nairaland.com/4931034/believe-lose-salvation-then-called


https://www.nairaland.com/4878886/it-only-one-sin-sends

A born-again Christian that does Yahoo Yahoo is eternally saved? Even those who sin deliberately? Haven't you come across the Scripture that says he who blasphemes again the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven? Or where Hebrews 10 vs 26 mentions that there is no sacrifice for sins for those that sin willfully? Please explain how these two instances do not nullify your teaching

alBHAGDADI:


Since the law has been discarded. make sure you sleep with your mother tonight, and don't use condom.

Many Scriptures in the New Testament admonish us to abstain from sexual immorality. Immorality could be fornication, adultery, bestiality, incest, homosexuality. Besides, it is morally wrong in our society. Believe it or not, the New Testament already has enough principles that can be applied in our daily lives without leaving out the important aspects. For example, Paul in one of his letters mentioned someone who was engaging in immorality with his father's wife. And he put it in a bad light. It's simple logic. Another Scripture in the New Testament says that he who goes on hating his brother is a murderer. You don't need Cain and Abel's example to spell it out for you that hate can lead to murder and that murder is wrong. You don't need Exodus 20 to tell you that you shouldn't murder, steal or worship idols when 1 Corinthians 6 vs 9 and 10 mentions that people who engage in such things cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. It's pretty basic. We are not trying to cancel out the Old Testament because as you have previously mentioned, ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired. The basic point of the Scripture in Galatians is to stop picking specific aspects of the Law to follow, since you choose to follow it. Follow it in its entirety. Don't use it to support tithes and then disapprove of animal sacrifice or excreting wastes in bushes far away from your house

benji93:
Majorly referring to. According to whom? Is there any killing that doesn't result from contempt. isreal is not a good example, the battles they fought that were ordained by God were justified. God is the only being that can override a law. I cannot judge the case of soldiers killing terrorists, that is entirely in God's hands. But by virtue of the law, it's a sin. What happened to "do not repay evil for evil" ?So i am afraid you "purpose" argument does not hold. "A man that killed forcefully out of self defense or a man who kill a child by hitting him with a car". Again, within the purview of the law, only God can judge this cases, or forgive any man that does either acts. A man could hit a child with a car due to recklessness but unintentionally. Self defence is a grey area, what defines self-defence, how cases where a policeman kills someone thinking he brought out a gun when it was a wallet?

you are beginning to condense to my idea of not following the law hook line and sinker and not following it to the letters, now your beginning to say I don't know, I don't know. God will judge. hahahahhaha. The bridge example I stated nkor?
To push you harder, let us corner the self defense to what we call "justifiable suicide", where for example I shoot down a suicide bomber about to explode himself in a party. what do you call this one.
So bro, "thou shall not kill" has a context and a purpose. Again Man were not made to serve the law but instead to serve God and the law were made to help us serve the lord.

Mind you I am not one of the lot that justify there action claiming holy ghost told them this or that. I only see the law as and doctrines as a bundle of wisdom. Men are to know it very well and understand it thoroughly so that we know how it will help our christain journey.

alBHAGDADI:


Read and understand.

If the old law is obsolete, then what's stopping you from sleeping with your mother?

Read and understand

Because it is sexual immorality...

The Apostles were against it in Acts 15...

Also, Jacob cursed Reuben for defiling his bed... and this happened in the era before the Law!


Even Lot's daughters knew sleeping with their father was wrong...hence, they got him drunk to perform those abominable acts! This was also before the era of the Law...

lordtim001:

Many Scriptures in the New Testament admonish us to abstain from sexual immorality. Immorality could be fornication, adultery, bestiality, incest, homosexuality. Besides, it is morally wrong in our society. Believe it or not, the New Testament already has enough principles that can be applied in our daily lives without leaving out the important aspects. For example, Paul in one of his letters mentioned someone who was engaging in immorality with his father's wife. And he put it in a bad light. It's simple logic. Another Scripture in the New Testament says that he who goes on hating his brother is a murderer. You don't need Cain and Abel's example to spell it out for you that hate can lead to murder and that murder is wrong. You don't need Exodus 20 to tell you that you shouldn't murder, steal or worship idols when 1 Corinthians 6 vs 9 and 10 mentions that people who engage in such things cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. It's pretty basic. We are not trying to cancel out the Old Testament because as you have previously mentioned, ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired. The basic point of the Scripture in Galatians is to stop picking specific aspects of the Law to follow, since you choose to follow it. Follow it in its entirety. Don't use it to support tithes and then disapprove of animal sacrifice or excreting wastes in bushes far away from your house

Funny how Muslims is the only faith that bows down when worshipping God, yet the scriptures point to this

Elders bow down in reverence, yet Christians don't

And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
REVELATION 5:14 NASB

Well, let me clear you all on this matter.
We 'live' in the new testament and we merely "learn" from the old testament. Our lives is from Jesus' resurrection upward. We do not live in the old testament. Many Christian's live like the Pharisees of Jesus' time. The Pharisees can be compared to modern day church goers. What we call "religious" people. They are not "Christians". They are merely doctrinal. Jesus always criticized these people in the Bible. The modern day Pharisees are what we see in deeper life churches or in many other churches in nigeria. We need to understand something. Jesus was not religious. He never tried to be. Whenever the Pharisees criticised him abt something. He fired back at them. He did miracles on the Sabbath and interacted with sinners. Jesus was rather radical. Not holy holy. He held feasts with his disciples, something equivalent to parties in our time. He turned water to wine at a wedding for people to CONTINUE drinking. He beat the shit out of people selling in from of the temple. He interacted with a prostitute. He never followed the doctrines of the Pharisees.
** About the commandments; Jesus said in Mark 12:28 to love God and our neighbour.
Jesus has already paid for even the sins you've not committed.