| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by ozoneboy(m): 11:12am On Jun 09, 2019 |
LifestyleTonite:
Shut up Mr Jehovah's witness who deny Jesus Christ is God. They say he was just a mere angel who never resurrected bodily.
What a shame.
Everyone should take a look at the verse he quoted
Isaiah 54:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
In what way does this support his write up? But he just dropped the link to the verse so that gullible people who don't have time to open their Bible will think he made sense and spoke truth once they see a Bible link in his post. They won't know it has no correlation with his post. Must you insult someone to make your point,and to think you consider yourself a Christian and still insult someone makes a mockery of your religion 4 Likes |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Cmeo(m): 11:14am On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:
John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.
Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.
Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.
According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.
Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.
He quoted the below passage.
Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.
One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.
So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.
We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.
But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.
Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.
If going by your assertion that the law is meant to make us live right on earth, then the tithe law has been replaced by Personal/Company Income Tax. 2 Likes |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by winnah(f): 11:17am On Jun 09, 2019 |
tunjijones:
Those two guys above me shd jst shut the hell up. U guys are disgracing urselves.
There was no where in the new testament that talked about paying tithe and yet these pastors wld keep saying if you dnt pay tithe u wld go to hell. Well I still don't understand dis. But pastors won't mention the part that says women shd not preach in church... This passage is even in new testament o... Sir I believe that's a fallacy for there are not just 'is' scriptures that made mentioned of tithing... Even though they are not as commandment but it is an indication that even in Jesus time people where paying tithe but never for once he did condemned it. Matthew 23:23 (KJV) - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Luke 18:12 (KJV) - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess Luke 11:42 (KJV) But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. But you see the one I love most.. This is like a commandment to priesthood to collect tithe.. Hebrews 7:5 - (KJV) And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Hamzaay(m): 11:17am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Imaging Christians attacking Christians.. When you all aren't organised, how do u guys think you will convert someone peacefully to your religion when you all believe that if not your sect all sects are going to hell... The truth is majority of christians don't understand their bible and only believe only what the person in the alter says. And this person host on their ignorance to extort them. I see pastors as motivational speakers and not preachers 1 Like |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Finallydead: 11:30am On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:
John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.
Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.
Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.
According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.
Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.
He quoted the below passage.
Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.
One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.
So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.
We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.
But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.
Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.
Bro. I want 2 biliv u're a true brother. Pls its dangerous and unscriptural 2 biliv in the once saved always saved doctrine. There is indeed eternal security for the soul but that is what we call salvation of the soul, the END, not beginning of ur faith (1 Pet 1:5-10, esp 9) which is what we must work out( Php 2:13). We must attain to this security by working out well (utilizing the grace or ability of God inside of us) like Paul even after maturing in God (Php 3:11-14) pressed for (Heb 10:38-39).  |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by OkCornel(m): 11:30am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Hamzaay:
Imaging Christians attacking Christians.. When you all aren't organised, how do u guys think you will convert someone peacefully to your religion when you all believe that if not your sect all sects are going to hell... The truth is majority of christians don't understand their bible and only believe only what the person in the alter says. And this person host on their ignorance to extort them. I see pastors as motivational speakers and not preachers Isn't it also true that Sunni and shi'ite Muslims also hate and fight one another? I'm not saying this to justify what is happening in the Christendom... I've noticed followers of a founder of a particular religion end up fighting one another due to doctrinal differences... There's no point criticizing Christianity for such when the same matter is prevalent in other religions as well... |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by AlcoholAlchohol: 11:44am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Topmaike007:
Seun is too dumb to have done such,and when you look at him he was Born to a Christian home,May God not allow us to give birth to Children that will grow up and turn to Atheist,cos I can't bear the shame to tell God that I am sorry for not grooming my kids well I understand that it isn't logical and down right dumb to have that declaration on Islamic tread, but I feel you don't have the right to fight against what a person believes, from your statement, you are trying to say Christianity is superior to any other belief?.. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by jubrilcastle(m): 11:45am On Jun 09, 2019 |
iammo:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
Incase you find yourself in hell due to your Pastors foolishness.
Old testament was written by the only true Prophet of Gods like moses and abraham(jews and arab), which God appeared or sent angel gabriel to them on instructions of what to write.
While new testament was written by Freinds and disciple of Jesus christ without instruction from God or Jesus or even Angel Gabriel but wrote their own contradictory words.
For you to understand these disciples, you should know they were fishermen, tax collector , physician and others who later openly denied Jesus till he died and later compiled their own writtens with the help of Roman Europeans Emperiors and Decendants of Cesar whose governor crucified Jesus, since Jesus later resurrected they all came back after denying him
. You finish work here. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by stanliwise(m): 11:49am On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:
John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.
Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.
Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.
According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.
Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.
He quoted the below passage.
Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.
One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.
So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.
We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.
But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.
Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.
You have a point but still your post doesn't render the facebook post useless. There is something fundamentally wrong with your post. The last especially part especially you make it look like we are to focus on the law that are still relevant and add the new ones in the new testament, this mode of thinking is very wrong, to shock you, neither the old testament law or the new one are we to focus on, we should instead focus on the purpose. The implications of this is that clearly, love become the only compass to know the law to obey and which not to. Whether old or new testament, if you look closely there is no law we are to follow at everytime. rather the big picture is to question ourself on the purpose why the law was made. Simply conclusions is God doesn't care about the law, he care about the purpose, the law were crafted so that we can meet the purpose, if we follow all the laws and fail the purpose everything is rendered void. The issue of being saved by grace is another topic entirely as it surpass the effort of men. But when it comes down to what our actions should be, instructions between new or old testament, modified or changed doesn't matter here, the purpose is more prefferable. By the purpose is best guiding light. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by victorazyvictor(m): 11:51am On Jun 09, 2019 |
goldcoinhub:
Social media entrepreneur and activist Michael Nwanator Jr. has once again asked a crucial question on religion. He wants to know whey Christians are being 'forced' to obey the laws in old testament, despite the fact that there were none at the time.
Taking to his Facebook page, he argued that the Bible stated that the laws of the old testament are obsolete, so modern day Christians are not supposed to live by those laws.
No Christians in old testament, why are they forcing the laws on us
Read his post:
There was no Christian in the old testament, why are they making us practice the laws in the old testament?
Hebrew 8 vs 13
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
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The only thing we should emulate from Abraham is his faith. Any other thing is irrelevant, or should we also have side chics and go to war, use part of the war loot and give to a priest as tithe and later return the loots to the owners?
Christianity began after Christ came, you have no business practicing the law that bring a curse.
Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
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God was not talking to Christians in the old testament.
You will FOREVER be ignorant and slave to some people until you start reading the scriptures by yourself.
https://lailasnews.com/no-christians-in-old-testament-why-are-they-forcing-the-laws-on-us/
lalasticlala Who is forcing you! |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 11:53am On Jun 09, 2019 |
We should Learn to live and not twist the Scriptures...The Old Laws were the Laws of Sin and Death,You sin You Die for it but Christ came and modified it...The views of Christ about Sin,Death,Tax and Sabbath were mainly Clear...So let me make this Clear;
CHRIST CAME AND REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW
(Galatians 3 v 10-14)
"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says,The person who does these things will live by them.13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written:Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
(Romans 8 v 1- 2)
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
CHRIST DID NOT ABOLISH THE LAW.
Jesus Speaking in
(Matthew 5:17)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"
John Speaking in
(1 John 2 v 6-7)
"Whooever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard.
(2 John 5 v 4-5)
" It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning".
GOD WANTS US TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS
(1 John 5 v 2-3)
"This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.
(2 John 1v 6)
"And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love".
(Rev 22 v12-14)
“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city".
U all Have a wonderful Sunday. 1 Like |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Topmaike007(m): 11:53am On Jun 09, 2019 |
AlcoholAlchohol:
I understand that it isn't logical and down right dumb to have that declaration on Islamic tread, but I feel you don't have the right to fight against what a person believes, from your statement, you are trying to say Christianity is superior to any other belief?.. I am speaking Base on my Own opinion |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by benji93: 11:55am On Jun 09, 2019 |
Sorry, which law of the land, the constitution? mysteryman2014:
You are the confused one here. Practising incest is against law of the land which all Christians must obey.
When you break the law do make sacrifices as stipulated, do you still observe the Sabbath and don't work on 7th day?
So pls don't cherrypick, it is either you obey the law entirely or otherwise, no middle ground.
Like the OP rightly said True Christians are not under the law. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by iammo(m): 11:59am On Jun 09, 2019 |
uwabuwa888:
... Holy ghost can posses anybody, infact some white garment churches believe so much in that. However whenever the God of Abraham wants to give his insctuction he either comes down, in form of a bright light or voice from above (case of adam, moses) or he sends Angel Gabriel |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 12:08pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
The Levites are not the priest but a tribe in Israel. The priests were Aaron and his sons. Go and study. The priest comes from the levites tribe. Which tribe do you think Aaron came from? it's from the tribe of levites and they are mandated to carry out priesthood functions. My guy study your Bible very well. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by emperorzz(m): 12:10pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
LifestyleTonite:
Shut up Mr Jehovah's witness who deny Jesus Christ is God. They say he was just a mere angel who never resurrected bodily.
What a shame.
Everyone should take a look at the verse he quoted
Isaiah 54:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
In what way does this support his write up? But he just dropped the link to the verse so that gullible people who don't have time to open their Bible will think he made sense and spoke truth once they see a Bible link in his post. They won't know it has no correlation with his post. it's funny to see Christians fight themselves in full glare of the populace who they are suppose to be a shining example to...May God help us all. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 12:11pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:
John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.
Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.
Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.
According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.
Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.
He quoted the below passage.
Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.
One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.
So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.
We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.
But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.
Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.
U are a confusionist. The bible has clearly stated that the old testament is obsolete, stop typing long irrelevant nonsense 1 Like |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by stanliwise(m): 12:13pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
PrecisionFx:
U are a confusionist.
The bible has clearly stated that the old testament is obsolete, stop typing long irrelevant nonsense The old testament is not obsolete, it wasn't perfect and it wasn't complete for the Christians, Jesus said it himself. Matthew 5:17-20 English Standard Version (ESV) Christ Came to Fulfill the Law “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by femichill: 12:13pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
goldcoinhub:
Social media entrepreneur and activist Michael Nwanator Jr. has once again asked a crucial question on religion. He wants to know whey Christians are being 'forced' to obey the laws in old testament, despite the fact that there were none at the time.
Taking to his Facebook page, he argued that the Bible stated that the laws of the old testament are obsolete, so modern day Christians are not supposed to live by those laws.
No Christians in old testament, why are they forcing the laws on us
Read his post:
There was no Christian in the old testament, why are they making us practice the laws in the old testament?
Hebrew 8 vs 13
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
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The only thing we should emulate from Abraham is his faith. Any other thing is irrelevant, or should we also have side chics and go to war, use part of the war loot and give to a priest as tithe and later return the loots to the owners?
Christianity began after Christ came, you have no business practicing the law that bring a curse.
Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
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God was not talking to Christians in the old testament.
You will FOREVER be ignorant and slave to some people until you start reading the scriptures by yourself.
https://lailasnews.com/no-christians-in-old-testament-why-are-they-forcing-the-laws-on-us/
lalasticlala You can as well stop paying tithes. As no tithes was paid in the new testament. 1 Like |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 12:15pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
Stop using Bible translations other than the King James Version.
Nowhere in the King James does it say JEWISH LAWS
Galatians 2:14-18 King James Version (KJV)
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. Who is using Bible translation? Guy go and study other Bible version and stop relying only on KJV because King James knew there are other Bible version that is why he called his own version KJV. |
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| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 12:16pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Topmaike007:
Seun is too dumb to have done such,and when you look at him he was Born to a Christian home,May God not allow us to give birth to Children that will grow up and turn to Atheist,cos I can't bear the shame to tell God that I am sorry for not grooming my kids well It would be ur life decision, has nothing to do with u. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Paul1604: 12:19pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:
John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.
Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.
Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.
According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.
Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.
He quoted the below passage.
Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.
One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.
So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.
We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.
But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.
Find a Once Saved Always Saved Church today for more knowledge.
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| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Nobody: 12:19pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
stanliwise:
The old testament is not obsolete, is wasn't perfect and it was complete, Jesus said it himself. read the thread topic because u didnt read it. The scriptures clearly said that the old testament is obsolete. How dare u even call Gods words inperfect? Are u normal? |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by stanliwise(m): 12:20pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
PrecisionFx:
read the thread topic because u didnt read it.
The scriptures clearly said that the old testament is obsolete.
How dare u even call Gods words inperfect? Are u normal? Read the edited part of my comment. it was perfect for the people of the old, not for the christain. Matthew 5:17-20 English Standard Version (ESV) Christ Came to Fulfill the Law “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by benji93: 12:25pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
1. what do you mean by love is the only compass? Love of God you mean, that still comes down to the spirit of God directing us. By using the word "love", you are making the bolded sentence only vaguely comprehensible. And don't even say you need the holy spirit do understand that, you might as well not explain at all. That sounds like the right word to use when you are trying to hide something. You cannot just throw the word "love" around. 2. What do you mean by there is no law to follow at anytime,rather the big picture is to question ourself on the purpose why the law was made?What big picture? you have been watching too much movies guy, and it's fast becoming your reality. "Purpose of the Law". What other meaning can you ascribe to the law "thou shall not kill" other than "thou shall not kill", i beg, in what other ways can you interprete that. The reality is that all the messages have been so watered down that,there is at least one way to justify an egragious sin such as killing. The only rational way to think about this is to obey all laws until the new testament says otherwise. It is deceitfully confusing to use the phrase "purpose of the law", the law clearly states: "do not commit adultery", what other purpose is there if not "do not sleep with another man's wife," or are you allowed to sleep with another man's wife when he is on vacation, or the woman is lonely. Ma guy, i am sorry to say this, but you don't appear forthcoming. Peace. stanliwise:
You have a point but still your post doesn't render the facebook post useless. There is something fundamentally wrong with your post. The last especially part especially you make it look like we are to focus on the law that are still relevant and add the new ones in the new testament, this mode of thinking is very wrong, to shock you, neither the old testament law or the new one are we to focus on, we should instead focus on the purpose. The implications of this is that clearly, love become the only compass to know the law to obey and which not to. Whether old or new testament, if you look closely there is no law we are to follow at everytime. rather the big picture is to question ourself on the purpose why the law was made. Simply conclusions is God doesn't care about the law, he care about the purpose, the law were crafted so that we can meet the purpose, if we follow all the laws and fail the purpose everything is rendered void. 1 Like |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by austelright1: 12:29pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
Since the law has been discarded. make sure you sleep with your mother tonight, and don't use condom.
You see why i said you don't understand the Bible as you claim. Why are you not practising the Passover night, the unleavened bread, wearing of one apparel, keeping your Beard's without shaving, sending your wife or sisters away when they are on their menses etc why are you not practising it since the law was not abolished. Guy as of when Christ had not died the law was still in place because he had to fulfill it by his death and gives us grace. The practice of the new testament started when Christ resurrected and the apostles kept the new law which is Grace. |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by pelegiga92(m): 12:44pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
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| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by pelegiga92(m): 12:45pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
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| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Paul1604: 12:51pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:
Since the law has been discarded. make sure you sleep with your mother tonight, and don't use condom.
Hello man.. My first time on posting on nairaland so am new here Anyways about your long post which you mentioned were you corrected the OP as someone who isn't filled with the spirit. You were right in some points raised like depending on the law for salvation is invalid as Christ has fulfilled the law. U said some practices still stand like tithing and that since Christ didn't say exclusively it should be stopped in the New Testament hence it's still valid Now tithing is an Old Testament law which was done for to help d levites people. U made mention of the priest collecting it like Aaron and even mechidezek. Remember when Jesus Christ fuffiled the law ie died for our sins he became the new priest after the order of mechidezek. So for we believers in the dispensation of grace, Christ is our high priest. And there is no record of Christ collecting tithes in his 30+ years on earth as a human it makes it surprising. Even when Christ mentioned tithing in the New Testament he didn't even go in detail into saying if we should continue it yet cos dose were Old Testament practixes so at that moment he has not fulfilled the law yet since he was still alive. It is just like when Christ taught the people our Lord's prayer. It says forgive us our sins as we forgive others. But now as believers our sins are forgiven already but Christ taught it like that cos he hasn't died to fulfill the law. If you say tithing is valid and you still do it as it is obvious from your message. Just take time today to check all verses where tithte was written in the Bible you will see that it was always food stuff only .then I know you will say it's cos dey were only farmers which isn't true cos Dey were blacksmith and carpenter and so on. There was money cos if you go back as far as Genesis where you see silver and shekels and what have you they only tithed on food. So if you wanna tithe self it has to be only food which you are obviously breaking. Then if you study the Bible again you will see dah when Dey even decided to tithe with money it was 30 percent. U need to study too cos you seem to act like you are a citadel of knowledge which is not d disposition of a true believer. So dah means you should be tithing 30percent.my brother free yourself from this mentality and give freely as commanded in the New Testament. If you want to give God 100 percent or even 50 or even 10 percent as long as you give from a happy heart Dahs wahs matters. That is what we as believers preach. Tithing has no impact on salvation. The position of a believer is to give to show thanks for Wah God has done. Selah 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Adakintroy: 12:52pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Christ himself did not come to abolish the laws but to make them complete.
Ask yourself what is the law. It's just but a guide. To what?. To right way of living. If you are led by the Spirit which Christ came to teach us. We won't have need for the laws. For it will teach us all things and bring all things back to our rememberance.
The law became obsolete only because Christ introduce us to the spirit. Man will always need a guide to god. A better guide came in this form.
Aside the pharisee were using for the bascs for rightouseness. We're as its just faith |
| Re: No Christians In Old Testament, Why Are They Forcing The Laws On Us? by Ubdavis(m): 12:58pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Make una d slog it out there 1 Like 
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