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Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 6:53am On Jun 17, 2019 |
LordReed:Or seeing what you are blind to! The fact that a community of blind people cannot differentiate between colours doesn't mean colours don't exist. It's all about your senses and perceptions: are your receptors functioning OK? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by johnydon22(m): 8:04am On Jun 17, 2019 |
hakeem4:Dude, when you are discussing the conceptual or logical possibility of something, there is no physical evidence required only a logical validity of the point is required to make the argument. When someone says: Evolution is compatible with design. This is a subject to logical proof in the discussion because it deals with ideas "evolution" and "intelligent design" Seems like you like using the word "evidence" a lot even where it is not necessary. And yes, one can easily prove that evolution is compatible with design. Take a look at a car 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by LordReed(m): 9:37am On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Which of yours do you use to sense your god? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by hakeem4(m): 9:51am On Jun 17, 2019 |
johnydon22:calm down and listen. Evolution by natural selection and intelligent design are not compatible. Natural selection is the process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring. Intelligent design the theory that life, or the universe, cannot have arisen by chance and was designed and created by some intelligent entity. Evolution by Natural selection never claimed it was the origin of life or so. It was abiogenesis that claimed to know the origin of life on how life can arise from non living matter. Yes ID Is compatible with evolution by artificial selection . But not with natural selection Logical argument can never be used to prove what’s true or not. The purported logic is to make deductions. If 1 boy has two eyes Then 2 boys have four eyes. I can use this false analogy argument These cars are complex They require an ID the human eye is complex It requires an. ID the cars are complex It was made in 2007 Human eye is complex it was made in 2007 We do not know if it’s true or not. You need evidence to show what’s true or not. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by hakeem4(m): 9:52am On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka:so let’s conclude that you use a part of your sense to perceive god ? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 9:53am On Jun 17, 2019 |
LordReed:The same you use to sense your god! shadeyinka: |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 9:55am On Jun 17, 2019 |
hakeem4:I don't have a god! I have a God! |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by hakeem4(m): 9:58am On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka:okay so how do you sense that God? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 10:04am On Jun 17, 2019 |
hakeem4:Better! By using my Spiritual sense! |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by hakeem4(m): 10:08am On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka:do you actually think this thread is for jokers? You don’t expect me to believe this. This is untestable. You can claim to be the son of Jesus. But there’s is no way we can get Jesus’s DNA, so we can match it with yours to test the authenticity of your claim. |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by LordReed(m): 10:59am On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I don't have god hallucinations. shadeyinka: Is god a name? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by johnydon22(m): 12:09pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
hakeem4:Alright then, let me tell you how even natural selection can be compatible with design. Have you considered the scenario where this designer instead of personally making modifications to his designs imbued in them the ability to modify and adapt in relation to their ecosystem? Hence, adaptability of organisms along the line to survive and thrive (natural selection) is a model by design of the designer? Just as we are trying to do with A.I. create programs that learn and evolve. See? How logically, natural selection can still be compatible with design? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by TV01(m): 12:50pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Hi Shadeyinka Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. The biblical record is clear; God brought forth the whole of creation - including mankind - in 6 days roughly 6'000 years ago. The genealogy from Adam to Christ is confirmation of that fact. TV |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 12:52pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
LordReed:It isn't! ?*?! |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 1:07pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
TV01:Very clear: "the beginning" is always relative to a point of reference. The narrative in Genesis is very clear. With reference to creation: In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth Something was described as the state of the earth (it was without form and void) Note that every other thing was created before human beings: hence "the beginning " Mark was referencing was the beginning of "MARRIAGE"/ Union of a man and woman. In Exodus, the reference was the earth and it's environment which include the Stars and the space containing them referred to as heavens. Gen 1:16-17: "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by TV01(m): 1:28pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka:The verse from Mark clearly states the "beginning of creation". Cheers TV |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by LordReed(m): 1:32pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: No, it isn't. |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by johnydon22(m): 1:33pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: It's not a specific name for a particular deity |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 1:33pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
LordReed:You got your kind of answer didn't you? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 1:36pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
TV01:In other words Mark 10:6: "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." Means that God made them male and female before He even created the heavens and the earth? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by TV01(m): 1:40pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka:...like before the beginning ...or God made them before He created them TV |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 1:40pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
johnydon22:God is a descriptive title and noun just like the "President!" or "the Leader" etc If I am in America and I said "the President said..": everyone know that I am refering to Donald Trump. In Nigeria however if I make the same statement, everyone know that I refer to Muhammadu Buhari. |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 1:45pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
TV01:That's your interpretation: and you know it doesn't make sense! |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by LordReed(m): 1:47pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: What has that to do with the subject matter? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by LordReed(m): 1:49pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: And if I wrote my president, you'll say I am not talking of the president of Nigeria? |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by johnydon22(m): 1:49pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Correct 1 Like |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by budaatum: 1:53pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
johnydon22:One might argue that you've described 'artificial selection', and not natural selection, and if the designer were a human being we'd call it 'human selection', and not selection by nature nor by gods. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 1:57pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
LordReed:You started it: hence you get the kids Nd of answers you deserve! |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by shadeyinka(m): 1:59pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
LordReed:Anyone can claim his own president. Atiku is referred to by some as "my president"! Next time, Let's know who you refer to when you speak! |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by LordReed(m): 2:01pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: HAHAHAHA, I was waiting for the intellectual dishonesty and I got it. EDIT: President President follows the same capitalization rules as other titles. A title is the name that describes a person’s position, rank, office, or job. You should only capitalize titles when they come directly before a person’s name, as in “President Abraham Lincoln.” https://www.dictionary.com/e/when-do-you-capitalize-president/ |
Re: Evolution Or Design? Why Do You Subscribe To Either? by LordReed(m): 2:03pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
shadeyinka: LoL, so diversion is how adults answer? Incredible. LMAO. |
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