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Now let us start with the Greek Bible;

I Timothy 1 v 10 (SBL Greek New Testament);
10 πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, ἀνδραποδισταῖς, ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=SBLGNT

1 Timothy 1 v 10 (kjv)
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine




Now let us translate this word ἀρσενοκοίταις into what it truly means;

1) Arsenokytes
2) Arsenocitis

ἀρσενοκοίτης • (arsenokoítēs) m (genitive ἀρσενοκοίτου); first declension

man who engages in sexual activity with other males, homosexual, sodomite
specifically, the active (penetrating) partner in male homosexual activity, as opposed to the passive partner

Antonym: μαλακός (malakós)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82

The picture below explains it better.

Cc: Openmine, TV01

Let's see how Muttleylaff will tell us Paul was not talking against homosexuality here...

MuttleyLaff:
Are you thick or what? Where in Deuteronomy 14:22-29 or Acts 15, do you see God approving or disapproving tithing, hmm?

Oh oh, its not a matter of how God specified it, is it now? You see what I mean by, dont try that line of questioning type with me now? It wouldnt wash with you, same way, it isnt going to with me too. Now bringing it up, like I've advised you not to. I have moved on from it. This is my last call.

What are you driving at? That this is not the point I've been making against tithing currently practiced in the church on every thread I have discussed regarding tithing?

Ogbeni, your diversion strategy is not working. The tithing issue has been squashed here.

If you disagree, bring examples of Christians that tithed in the Bible and close out this case.

Better still, you can tell us when tithing started in the church... (Synod of Macon should ring a bell that tithing was not practiced in the early church)

MuttleyLaff:
Are
Oya, try these three direct, simple and easy for size questions about the scriptures then to see if or not If God truly sees anything untoward a same sex relationship or men sexing men. Dont ignore them, no excuses and dont do an AWOL

1/ What was the reason given by Lot, for refusing and/or not allowing those wicked and cruel men of Sodom and Gomorrah have gay sex with the angels when they attempted gang raping the angels who had an appearance of human beings, as in, men?

Million dollar question is... why was Lot willing to allow his virgin daughters be raped, rather than the angels or any of his male servants?

Genesis 19 v 8;
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

MuttleyLaff:
2/ Did Lot say: "Oh no, please you cant dont that. No, men sexing men? Haba guys, God doesnt want men sexing men nau, abeggy dont do that. Shoo! shoo!!. Go away please, ẹ dakun, ẹ jọr. Ẹma ko ba mi. Please I beg you, dont get me into trouble", hmm?
3/ You would expect Lot to say to the guys that God doesnt approve of men sexing men, so they shouldnt consider doing it with these angels, wouldnt you openmine, hmm?

Remind me, what was that unnatural desire spoken of in Jude 7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


and going after strange flesh;
or "other flesh"; meaning not other women besides their own wives, but men; and designs that detestable and unnatural sin, which, from these people, is called sodomy to this day; and which is an exceeding great sin, contrary to the light of nature and law of God, dishonourable to human nature, and scandalous to a nation and people, and commonly prevails where idolatry and infidelity do, as among the Papists and Mahometans; and arose from idleness and fulness of bread in Sodom, and was committed in the sight of God, with great impudence: their punishment follows.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/jude-1-7.html

OkCornel:
Now let us start with the Greek Bible;

I Timothy 1 v 10 (SBL Greek New Testament);
10 πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, ἀνδραποδισταῖς, ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=SBLGNT

Let us translate this word ἀρσενοκοίταιςinto what it truly means;

1) Arsenokytes
2) Arsenocitis

ἀρσενοκοίτης • (arsenokoítēs) m (genitive ἀρσενοκοίτου); first declension

man who engages in sexual activity with other males, homosexual, sodomite
specifically, the active (penetrating) partner in male homosexual activity, as opposed to the passive partner

Antonym: μαλακός (malakós)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82

The picture below explains it better.

Cc: Openmine, TV01

Let's see how Muttleylaff will tell us Paul was not talking against homosexuality here...

SMH at you and of course you know why I did that

MuttleyLaff:
SMH at you and of course you know why I did that

Everyone, including myself have no idea, unless you explain yourself. We are not mind readers here...

MuttleyLaff:
Shouldnt Lot be in a better position and know any better whether or not God approves men sexing men, hmm openmine? Its no diversion nor is it evasive, why cant you just admit that the question big pass you.

Absolutely not....
No oga prevaricator Lot is/was in no position to speak for God...was Lot married to a man?
were his children engaged in sexual intercourse with their same sex?
So why did God save the life of lot and his family while destroying the rest at Sodom and Gomorrah?
And secondly,whatever happened there has no correlation whatsoever with God endorsing homosexual acts!
This is at best a disproportionate digression from the main issue at hand which you are doleful accustomed to!

MuttleyLaff:
You are right that I opened this thread up, so that means the buck starts and ends with me, not you the contributors. I have last say what goes or doesnt on the thread. If you dont like that, exit door is over there. and do a vamoose "alọrami rami"

Oyah come and evict me nah?
Kid

MuttleyLaff:
Respect is earned and deserved, not demanded or dished out just like that
No one said maturity is by age. "Agbaya" just cant be contained at times, especially for people that deserve getting "agbaya" treatment given to.

Your analogy of respect is quite skewed and repugnant!
You really need to Grow up! No pun intended!
Show respect to people even when they don't deserve it. Respect is a reflection of your character, not theirs.

OkCornel:
Now let us start with the Greek Bible;

I Timothy 1 v 10 (SBL Greek New Testament);
10 πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, ἀνδραποδισταῖς, ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=SBLGNT

1 Timothy 1 v 10 (kjv)
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine




Now let us translate this word ἀρσενοκοίταις into what it truly means;

1) Arsenokytes
2) Arsenocitis

ἀρσενοκοίτης • (arsenokoítēs) m (genitive ἀρσενοκοίτου); first declension

man who engages in sexual activity with other males, homosexual, sodomite
specifically, the active (penetrating) partner in male homosexual activity, as opposed to the passive partner

Antonym: μαλακός (malakós)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82

The picture below explains it better.

Cc: Openmine, TV01

Let's see how Muttleylaff will tell us Paul was not talking against homosexuality here...

I see it!

Nice One bro!

OkCornel:
What are you driving at? That this is not the point I've been making against tithing currently practiced in the church on every thread I have discussed regarding tithing?

Ogbeni, your diversion strategy is not working. The tithing issue has been squashed here.

If you disagree, bring examples of Christians that tithed in the Bible and close out this case.

Better still, you can tell us when tithing started in the church... (Synod of Macon should ring a bell that tithing was not practiced in the early church)

Million dollar question is... why was Lot willing to allow his virgin daughters be raped, rather than the angels or any of his male servants?

Genesis 19 v 8;
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Remind me, what was that unnatural desire spoken of in Jude 7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


and going after strange flesh;
or "other flesh"; meaning not other women besides their own wives, but men; and designs that detestable and unnatural sin, which, from these people, is called sodomy to this day; and which is an exceeding great sin, contrary to the light of nature and law of God, dishonourable to human nature, and scandalous to a nation and people, and commonly prevails where idolatry and infidelity do, as among the Papists and Mahometans; and arose from idleness and fulness of bread in Sodom, and was committed in the sight of God, with great impudence: their punishment follows.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/jude-1-7.html

What is your problem erhn? I've told you several times the tithe mention is closed. For crying out loud stop mentioning or referring to it anymore.

Now will you answer the three flipping questions and stop sign posting me other people's websites. I am interested is what's originally formulated in your own head not any third parties. Mr man what is the reason please, at least Lot is a good candidate for someone who will very know whether or not God approves of men sexing men. So Mr OkCornel let's hear from you, what and all Lot said, when faced with men planning to have sex with angels, that visited him, who appeared looking like human being males, hmm?

What reason did he give for refusing the men of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah from having carnal knowledge with these two "men"?

openmine:
I see it!

Nice One bro!

It's only an olodo rapata upon twenty, that will raise hand up in classroom, be grinning with thumbs up and be saying, I see it

Today, today, if una no be careful, na die, las las for both una

MuttleyLaff:
It's only an olodo rapata upon twenty, that will raise hand up in classroom, be grinning with thumbs up and be saying, I see it

Its called an acknowledgement...something that seems far from you!
Get lost kid!

MuttleyLaff:
What is your problem erhn? I've told you several times the tithe mention is closed. For crying out loud stop mentioning or referring to it anymore.

Now will you answer the three flipping questions and stop sign posting me other people's websites. I am interested is what's originally formulated in your own head not any third parties. Mr man what is the reason please, at least Lot is a good candidate for someone who will very know whether or not God approves of men sexing men. So Mr OkCornel let's hear from you, what and all Lot said, when faced with men planning to have sex with angels, that visited him, who appeared looking like human being males, hmm? What reason did he give?

It's disgusting when someone sees an obvious truth but still plays to the gallery.

Look at Lot's response to the situation on ground;

Genesis 19 v 7-8 (KJV);

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.


Genesis 19 v 7-8 (Amplified Bible)
7 and said, “Please, my brothers, do not do something so wicked.
8 See here, I have two daughters who have not known a man [intimately]; please let me bring them out to you [instead], and you can do as you please with them; only do nothing to these men, because they have in fact come under the shelter of my roof [for protection].


Now Muttley,

1) Why was Lot willing to let his daughters be raped, instead of those angels (male visitors)?

2) What was that desire for strange flesh spoken of in Jude 7?

3) When are you going to provide us with an example of a same sex marriage approved by God from the Old Testament, New Testament, Apocrypha or other early church letters (Origen, Polycarp, Clement, Ireneaus e.t.c.)?

MuttleyLaff:
Today, today, if una no be careful, na die, las las for both una

I knew that a kid was behind that keyboard!
Your unguided utterances are so explicit!

MuttleyLaff:
What is your problem erhn? I've told you several times the tithe mention is closed. For crying out loud stop mentioning or referring to it anymore.

The tithe issue was closed, but you were the who resurrected it here.
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/25#79647442

openmine:
I knew that a kid was behind that keyboard!
Your unguided utterances are so explicit!

There is quite a lot you really and at all dont know my dear. No, no, not unguided, but deliberate because the explicitness isnt to be taken literally. You see the difference between you and I, is that I am not afraid, not afraid to die. I am not afraid of death

MuttleyLaff:
There is quite a lot you really and at all dont know my dear. No, no, not unguided, but deliberate because the explicitness isnt to be taken literally. You see the difference between you and I, is that I am not afraid, not afraid to die. I am not afraid of death

Like i said your utterances define you!

OkCornel:
The tithe issue was closed, but you were the who resurrected it here.
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/25#79647442

I didn't resurrect anything. What I did was give you the background and origin of the hypocrisy you asked me about

MuttleyLaff:
I didn't resurrect anything. What I did was give you the background and origin of the hypocrisy you asked me about

What bloody hypocrisy are you talking about?

I have answered you on that tithing matter just as I've answered al.BHAGDADI...

No pro-tither can show me anywhere in the Bible where Christians (especially those of non-Jewish origin) tithed.

No pro-tither can show me where God requested for money as tithe when He laid out the instruction for tithing...

That kills the matter once and for all...

^^^^
I wasn't and never what questioning you on tithing because I already know your position is same as mine, all I am saying, is that you and I, are unable to bring up scripture of God explicitly disapproving ecclesiastical or obligatory tithing. Now anyone who is using that line of questioning type is merely just messing about if not ignorant. There are some type of questioning there isn't any point bothering to pursue because they are DOA.

I am pleased this is the end of the matter OkCornel.

openmine:
Like i said your utterances define you!

That's right, like I am not scared to die or afraid of the mention of death. That is a very good definition from others similar to those, that I define myself with.

MuttleyLaff:
That's right, like I am not scared to die or afraid of the mention of death. That is a very good definition from others that I define myself with.

whatever rocks your shaky boat!

openmine:
whatever rock your shaky boat!

Thank you for the understanding. I am sure you too have your own fair share of idiosyncrasies, like I do, that floats my boat.

MuttleyLaff:
^^^^
I wasn't and never what questioning you on tithing because I already know your position is same as mine, all I am saying, is that you and I, are unable to bring up scripture of God explicitly disapproving ecclesiastical or obligatory tithing. Now anyone who is using that line of questioning type is merely just messing about if not ignorant. There are some type of questioning there isn't any point bothering to pursue because they are DOA.

I am pleased this is the end of the matter OkCornel.

OH MY, SO ARE YOU TELLING US PAUL OR JUDE DID NOT EXPLICITLY DISAPPROVE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT? DID YOU TURN A BLIND EYE TO THIS?

Now let us start with the Greek Bible;

I Timothy 1 v 10 (SBL Greek New Testament);
10 πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, ἀνδραποδισταῖς, ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=SBLGNT

1 Timothy 1 v 10 (kjv)
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine




Now let us translate this word ἀρσενοκοίταις into what it truly means;

1) Arsenokytes
2) Arsenocitis

ἀρσενοκοίτης • (arsenokoítēs) m (genitive ἀρσενοκοίτου); first declension

man who engages in sexual activity with other males, homosexual, sodomite
specifically, the active (penetrating) partner in male homosexual activity, as opposed to the passive partner

Antonym: μαλακός (malakós)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82

The picture below explains it better.

OkCornel:
It's disgusting when someone sees an obvious truth but still plays to the gallery.

Look at Lot's response to the situation on ground;

Genesis 19 v 7-8 (KJV);

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.


Genesis 19 v 7-8 (Amplified Bible)
7 and said, “Please, my brothers, do not do something so wicked.
8 See here, I have two daughters who have not known a man [intimately]; please let me bring them out to you [instead], and you can do as you please with them; only do nothing to these men, because they have in fact come under the shelter of my roof [for protection].


Now Muttley,

1) Why was Lot willing to let his daughters be raped, instead of those angels (male visitors)?

2) What was that desire for strange flesh spoken of in Jude 7?

3) When are you going to provide us with an example of a same sex marriage approved by God from the Old Testament, New Testament, Apocrypha or other early church letters (Origen, Polycarp, Clement, Ireneaus e.t.c.)?

Muttleylaff, how far... no response to this?

OkCornel:
OH MY, SO ARE YOU TELLING US PAUL OR JUDE DID NOT EXPLICITLY DISAPPROVE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT? DID YOU TURN A BLIND EYE TO THIS?

Now let us start with the Greek Bible;

I Timothy 1 v 10 (SBL Greek New Testament);
10 πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, ἀνδραποδισταῖς, ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=SBLGNT

1 Timothy 1 v 10 (kjv)
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine

Now let us translate this word ἀρσενοκοίταις into what it truly means;

1) Arsenokytes
2) Arsenocitis

ἀρσενοκοίτης • (arsenokoítēs) m (genitive ἀρσενοκοίτου); first declension

man who engages in sexual activity with other males, homosexual, sodomite
specifically, the active (penetrating) partner in male homosexual activity, as opposed to the passive partner

Antonym: μαλακός (malakós)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CF%81%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82

The picture below explains it better[size=8pt]

Yes, I am saying that Paul and Jude, did not explicitly disapprove of homosexuality per se. Did you at all read the 5 case in points post at all I messaged to EmperorHarry, hmm? Do you want a link to it, so you can refreshen yourself because you'll see from it how you've misunderstood Paul. As for Jude, he castigated the men for doing what OkCornel? For going after strange flesh. Please tell me what you understand strange flesh in that context means, hmm? Let's find out who needs glasses between you and I. Find out who really is blind

OkCornel:
Muttleylaff, how far... no response to this?

Don't be telling or asking me, how far, when you haven't given me the reason why Lot refused those men gang rape the angels. I would have expected him to tell them outright that God disapproves men sexing men. Of course, he didn't say or do that, so what other better or best reason did he give them OkCornel. That was question #1, don't forget or skip the other two, questions #2 and #3, OK OkCornel?

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, I am saying that Paul and Jude, did not explicitly disapprove of homosexuality per se. Did you at all read the 5 case in points post at all I messaged to EmperorHarry, hmm? Do you want a link to it, so you can refreshen yourself because you'll see from it how you've misunderstood Paul.

Yes Muttley, I am very much interested in where exactly you got your interpretation to the meaning of this greek word ἀρσενοκοίταις Arsenokytes.

Put the source here for everyone to see...

MuttleyLaff:
As for Jude, he castigated the men for doing what OkCornel? For going after strange flesh. Please tell me what you understand strange flesh in that context means, hmm? Let's find out who needs glasses between you and I. Find out who really is blind

I have put the meaning of what strange flesh is. But you waved it off as sign posting.

Now, share with us your source to the interpretation of Arsenokytes.

Cc: Openmine, TV01

MuttleyLaff:
Don't be telling or asking me, how far, when you haven't given me the reason why Lot refused those men gang rape the angels. I would have expected him to tell them outright that God disapproves men sexing men. Of course, he didn't say or do that, so what other better or best reason did he give them OkCornel. That was question #1, don't forget or skip the other two, questions #2 and #3, OK OkCornel?

Muttley, you don't have to tell lies here. On more than one occassion, I answered the query you brought up concerning Lot;

It's disgusting when someone sees an obvious truth but still plays to the gallery.

Look at Lot's response to the situation on ground;

Genesis 19 v 7-8 (KJV);

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.


Genesis 19 v 7-8 (Amplified Bible)
7 and said, “Please, my brothers, do not do something so wicked.
8 See here, I have two daughters who have not known a man [intimately]; please let me bring them out to you [instead], and you can do as you please with them; only do nothing to these men, because they have in fact come under the shelter of my roof [for protection].


Now Muttley,

1) Why was Lot willing to let his virgin daughters be raped, instead of those angels (male visitors)?

2) What was that desire for strange flesh spoken of in Jude 7?

3) When are you going to provide us with an example of a same sex marriage approved by God from the Old Testament, New Testament, Apocrypha or other early church letters (Origen, Polycarp, Clement, Ireneaus e.t.c.)?

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/26#79651815

Now stop dodging and answer my questions...

OkCornel:
Yes Muttley, I am very much interested in where exactly you got your interpretation to the meaning of this greek word ἀρσενοκοίταις Arsenokytes.

Put the source here for everyone to see..

I have put the meaning of what strange flesh is. But you waved it off as sign posting.

Now, share with us your source to the interpretation of Arsenokytes.

Cc: Openmine, TV01

Yes I sniffed my nose at it because I am not interested in third parties regurgitates. Tell me from your own undestanding, from what you know in your head by yourself, what strange flesh is. You should be able to put a few words together without sign posting me to website excerpts OkCornel. It can't be that hard or difficult not to or is it?

OkCornel:
Muttley, you don't have to tell lies here. On more than one occassion, I answered the query you brought up concerning Lot;

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/26#79651815

Now stop dodging and answer my questions...

Don't hide behind scripture verse, tell me outright and plainly what reason Lot gave, and tell me in your own words. Why can't you do that, follow simple instructions, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Yes I sniffed my nose at it because I am not interested in third parties regurgitates. Tell me from your own undestanding, from what you know in your head by yourself, what strange flesh is. You should be able to put a few words together without sign posting me to website excerpts OkCornel. It can't be that hard or difficult not to or is it?

Ogbeni, post your source to how you interpreted Arsenokytes. Abi you are ashamed you copied it from a gay site as TV01 earlier claimed?

Muttley, my understanding of strange flesh aligns perfectly with the link I pasted earlier.

Infact, what transpired in Genesis 19 where the Sodomites went after the Angels is a perfect example of desiring after strange flesh.

Pursuing unnatural desire, going after strange flesh...

Note, it was not called fornication or rape.

MuttleyLaff:
Don't hide behind scripture verse, tell me outright and plainly what reason Lot gave, and tell me in your own words. Why can't you do that, follow simple instructions, hmm?

If you weren't blind, homosexuality is an abomination right there in those verse, and Lot would not consent to that.

Did you even bother asking yourself why he offered his virgin daughters to be raped? rather than the angels or any other servants (particulary male servants) he had...

Now Muttley,

1) Why was Lot willing to let his virgin daughters be raped, instead of those angels (male visitors)?

2) What was that desire for strange flesh spoken of in Jude 7?

3) When are you going to provide us with an example of a same sex marriage approved by God from the Old Testament, New Testament, Apocrypha or other early church letters (Origen, Polycarp, Clement, Ireneaus e.t.c.)?

In addition to the above, share with us your exact source(s) to your interpretation of arsenokytes...

OkCornel:
Ogbeni, post your source to how you interpreted Arsenokytes. Abi you are ashamed you copied it from a gay site as TV01 earlier claimed?

Muttley, my understanding of strange flesh aligns perfectly with the link I pasted earlier.

Infact, what transpired in Genesis 19 where the Sodomites went after the Angels is a perfect example of desiring after strange flesh.

Note, it was not called fornication or rape.

You've just made me know you are a confirmed and bonafide learner. Let me tell you Mr OkCornel I travel a lot and it's from the intensity of my travels, that I have amassed a variety and huge amount of wealth of knowledge and information, of course with the aid of my Teacher, nudging and egging me on in the right directions. You aren't as knowledgeable as you think you are, this is why you have to descend to making these low tree hanging accusations that I copied from a gay site. You even incorrectly lumped TV01 into all this. SMH, I thought you have substance. How I have misjudged.

Just tell me in a few words, your words what your understanding of strange flesh in the context it was used, has become JAMB exam to you. Na wa ooo.

OkCornel:
If you weren't blind, homosexuality is an abomination right there in those verse, and Lot would not consent to that.

Did you even bother asking yourself why he offered his virgin daughters to be raped? rather than the angels or any other servants (particulary male servants) he had...

In addition to the above, share with us your exact source(s) to your interpretation of arsenokytes...

OkCornel, I visit many dairies, milk many cows and then make cheese. I make cheese myself from milk obtained several cows from many dairies. I don't keep tabs on dairies I've visited Mr OkCornel.

Don't mind if I am blind or not, if Lot knew it was an abomination men sexing men, then please OkCornel, what was the reason he gave for denying and refusing the men of Sodom and Gomorrah have sex with these two other "men" hmmm?

Dance around the question and the earlier other two for as long as you want. Notice how openmine, has left you, all by yourself, to deal with the question. He has dropped it like it's too hot for him. Scaredy cat. I thought you guys said you had time for me today. I told youse, I'll knock your heads together

MuttleyLaff:
You've just made me know you are a confirmed and bonafide learner. Let me tell you Mr OkCornel I travel a lot and it's from the intensity of my travels, that I have amassed a variety and huge amount of wealth of knowledge and information, of course with the aid of my Teacher, nudging and egging me on in the right directions. You aren't as knowledgeable as you think you are, this is why you have to descend to making these low tree hanging accusations that I copied from a gay site. You even incorrectly lumped TV01 into all this. SMH, I thought you have substance. How I have misjudged.

Oh my goodness, so you have amassed a variety and huge amount of wealth of knowledge and information, but you are here struggling to give one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures that can serve as example for believers!

Knowledgeable Muttley, please provide everyone following this thread with one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures that can encourage homosexuals

Even an erotic poem like Songs of Solomon clearly has no place for same sex relationship!

MuttleyLaff:
Just tell me in a few words, your words what your understanding of strange flesh in the context it was used, has become JAMB exam to you. Na wa ooo.

Smh, you've been deliberately blind to an example I just put to you.

Going after strange flesh in this context means pursuing unnatural desires. Homosexuality is the perfect example here. The sodomites going after those Angels to sleep with them.

Notice how Jude separated this from fornication (aka porneia).

Remember, in the beginning...God created them male and female...Jesus explained how marriage ought to be done! Male and Female (the natural way)

If you repeat this very question, then you are proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you are bereft of understanding...