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| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:34pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
OkCornel:This is absurd and pathetic to say the least. How can an adult ask this question? Have you ever had sex with a lady before? I mean consensual sex. Why do some ladies groan in pleasure and pain during sex? Does it hurt her too even if your pin sized diicckk finds it way into her varrghinnal? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:36pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Well done... We are still waiting for scriptural examples of same sex marriages in either the old or new testament or the apocrypha. That would be a fool-proof endorsement of homosexuality in the church...don't you think? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:38pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:What a sorry and silly comparison. The vagina is elastic and would revert back to shape after sexual intercourse... Can you say the same thing for the anus that is damaged? Or is the anus also elastic? Health Risks of Anal Sex; |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:39pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE, can you open your bible from Genesis to Revelation and give one example of same sex marriage approved of by God? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:41pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
Genesis 2:22-24 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” 24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. Matthew 19:4-6 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” Mark 10:6-9 6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them MALE and FEMALE.’ 7 ‘For this reason a MAN will leave his FATHER and MOTHER and be united to his WIFE, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” There are more than 25 scriptures where God ordains the marriage between a MAN and WOMAN not a man and man or woman and woman! If God has ordained the union of a man and a woman as contained in the scriptures,where does the scripture welcome a union between SS union? Which scripture shows any acceptance of SS union? If we must argue,we must do so using scriptures and not personal opinions 25 They traded the truth of God for a lie. They bowed down and worshiped the things God made instead of worshiping the God who made those things. He is the one who should be praised forever. Amen. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 11:44pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
OkCornel:the Bible doesnt completely and entirely of itself, condemn homosexuality, the bible though however specifically, unambiguously and outrightly does condemn certain type or forms of homosexuality, as you'll see as follows next 1/ Case in point #1 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality is found in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. This type of homosexuality in the two aforemetioned Leviticus verses is the sort, where SSA persons are worshipping pagan fertility gods/goddess and including it with having ceremonial cum ritualistic sex with temple devotees and prostitutes. The prostitutes and their patrons/customerss use sex to worship false gods. 2/ Case in point #2 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality, similar to case #1, but an upgraded version, is found in Romans 1:18-32. The similarity with case in point #1 above, is obvious, as it's clear to see that Romans 1:24, 26 & 27, are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. It is the same old, same old of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 reappearing again on but with a vengeance on the Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 scene. It is the familiar then Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 male prostituting happening and thriving in the city of Rome there, and women have joined gang in it too 3/ Case in point #3 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in Deuteronomy 23:17-18 and 1 Kings 14:24. It has a similarity with case in points #1 and #2 above as it is about the Hebrew word "qadesh" or a sodomite. The terms "qadesh" or a sodomite are the original and true biblical words for describing a temple devotee SSA male prostitute. An example of the female equivalent "qedeshah" (i.e. female temple prostitute) can be found in Genesis 38:21. The word sodomite, means "qadesh" as in a shrine male prostitute and must importantly be noted that it has no and never had any correlation with the city Sodom nor Sodom and Gomorrah 4/ Case in point #4 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in 1 Timothy 1:10. This too has similarities with case in points #1, #2 and #3 above, as it talks about SSA acts using Greek terms "porneia" and "arsenokoites". The term "porneia" is Greek and means a person who has dealings with prostitutes whereas term "arsenokoites" is also a Greek word, but was formulated by Apostle Paul from two words. Paul actually ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to invent this new word "arsenokoites" he created from using two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- ," (i.e. arseno means man) used in the singular and then used "koites", (i.e. koites means beds), and used in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but it actually is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services, and the literal hopping from one patron's bed to another patron's bed practice, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites). In a way of recapping the story so far, in all this homosexuality done wrongly and condemned, porneia has to do with the run-of-the-mill prostituting, and arsenokoites though has to do with prostituting, as well as, it in the sense of it, is a male sleeping around, having casual sex and/or having multiple partners, hopping from one bed to another bed It is glaring, except if in denial, and this now, is talking of certain posters on this thread, the likes of TV01 in particular, then Shepherd00, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, alBHAGDADI etcetera, what the true and original meaning of "porneia" and Paul's "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and and 1 Corinthians 6:9 is, before each were being translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons. They even lied and translated "qadesh" and/or a sodomite too, mentioned above, to in every respect, mean an ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act. 5/ Case in point #5 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is also found in 1 Corinthians 6:9. Here, its the sort of "homosexual" or homosexual act talked about using Greek terms "porneia", "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" and used in that order. We are already from case in points #4 familiar with the term "porneia" or "arsenokoites" and their true and original meanings. Now as for "malakoi/malakos", in the first century had its original meaning to be an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face, using makeup, face powdered up, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries, fancy clothing on and all tarted up to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex. This term too "malakoi/malakos", until snatched by the church, never was meant a term as used by christians, to demonise, discriminate and persecute ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act with. All SSA people are "homosexual/lesbian" or indulge in SSA sexual act, but not all SSA people are into "porneia", are "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or are a "sodomite" but you watch as my brethren/sisters, as they, either think little of all this, ignore this, gloss over it and/or make these facts I've made known, seem not important, significant nor interesting. The church, in this regard has proven herself to be a serial liar in regards to the true and actual meanings of those terms or words. I am sure all, are fully aware this thread was not opened or created to solicit anyone's support for or against homosexuality. As a matter of fact, the object of the whole exercise and activity on the thread is towards "Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union" The Bible in Luke 14:31, states that:""Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?. I knew this was going to be a tall order, be a Herculean and/or arduous task. I knew it'll be a marathon because just like in earlier quoted Luke 14:31, I have sat to think it all entirely all over. I knew I will have to bide my time, will need to smoke people out, draw them out into the open, then either snatch hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to evade capture or try to escape. Going for the jugular, would be my last resort. As you can see, the thread is 24 pages and still counting, because these guys are as slippery as eel. They avoid what the thread is all about, as in, the desconstructing aspect. They are trying every single trick in their bag of tricks, they derail the thread from its subject heading title, ask questions I previously have responded to or answered. They go on tangents, by suddenly start talking about a completely thing that has nothing to do with the thread's subject heading title. They dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination indulging in certain types of same sex attraction acts, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in this particular sort of same sex attraction acts etcetera, they just abandon, pick race and run off without responding to any of those questions. They do every possible thing to distract, frustrate and even try to dominate the thread with their whims and caprices, but I dont really mind, because I know that, "Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go about hin usual monkey monkey business market, but one day, one day, just one single day, hin go go, but this time, no go return back." Let me say this for the record. I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself and also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than anyone yet shown up on this thread, in putting the record straight, in order to make the true facts about the lies known. With this thread, I should be able to reassure the concerned, remove their doubts and fears that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER and anywhere in the Bible say homosexuality, in itself is a sin, nor does God hate same sex attraction couples, this means, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that christians/muslims/atheists have accustomed to see ordinarily as homosexuals, but they really are caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:46pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:This long story of yours...and you are yet to bring your source(s) on the interpretation to Arsenokytes... You are yet to bring from the scriptures one example of same sex marriage... that should tell you something already... Paul made something very very clear in Romans 1 v 26-28 which also includes "consensual" homosexuality; Romans 1 v 26-28 (AKJV) 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; It takes a reprobate mind to defend consensual same sex relationship...which goes against nature's design! Muttley, take note of Romans 1 v 27 where it said men left the natural use of a woman, and burned with lust "ONE TOWARD ANOTHER"... This is clearly against consensual same sex relationship! This is should be self explanatory for someone who claims to be knowledgeable! |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:51pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
OkCornel:It didnt mention homosexual. You are the one reading meaning into that statement. OkCornel:He has his reasons of creating darkeness. His reasons are unfathomable and beyond you. OkCornel:I can see reasons why the thread went into 20pages or there about. For an umpteenth time, unnatural implies 'not procreating' meaning cannot reproduce offspring. Unnatural is not equivalent to sin. The Definition of Sin 1849 Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience; it is failure in genuine love for God and neighbor caused by a perverse attachment to certain goods. It wounds the nature of man and injures human solidarity. It has been defined as "an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law."121 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6A.HTM#$21C Homosexuality doesn't hurt or cause pain to any one. It is born out of natural love. OkCornel:Bible said 'love one another' meaning love among human, not animals. Please stay on topic. OkCornel:Did I say it is a sin? I pointed out bestiality and raping. Modify, it was an error. And note I only pointed out bestiality and raping |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:52pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
OkCornel:Medically,its ill advised to push anything into the anus as its not elastic like the vagina just as you rightly said! Once the string keeping the anus is worn out or damaged as a result of forcing a penis or any object there,faeces will flow without control! That's why most people who indulge in anal sex wear pampers-like wears! ![]() so much for abandoning the rightful way of sex and using other repugnant means!! ![]() |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 11:55pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
OkCornel:Are lips, boobs, back of the ear, navel, bumbum created for sex, hmm? You guys dont ever cease to amaze me. I wish I had responded to those two openmine post I said if I find time that I would. If I had, you wouldnt have brought up, "is anus created for sex abi" ignoramus question. SMH. I am sorry, I didnt know you are a prude too OkCornel |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:55pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
OkCornel:I don't own a Bible except the one on the internet. God wasn't against Jonathan and David romantic relation. Infact, they were heterosexual which is an aspect of homosexuality. So my friend, if it were wrong, God would have struck them to death. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:57pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
OkCornel:Women still feel pain during sex too . Your argument is baseless |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:58pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
SAME SEX MARRIAGE IN THE MIDRASH AND THE TALMUD; The Babylonian Talmud is one of the few ancient religious texts that makes reference to same-sex marriage: "'Ula said: Non-Jews [litt. Bnei Noach, the progeny of Noah] accepted upon themselves thirty mitzvot [divinely ordered laws], but they only abide by three of them: The first one is that they do not write marriage documents for male couples, the second one is that they don't sell dead [human] meat by the pound in stores, and the third one is that they respect the Torah.'" The Midrash Rabba states: "Rabbi Huna in the name of Rabbi Joseph [said]: "The generation of the flood was not obliterated from the world until they wrote marriage contracts from males and beasts."" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Judaism This is another blow to any lie being propagated on consensual same sex relationship/marriage. Cc: Openmine, TV01, Shepherd00 |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:00am On Jun 26, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:And their vagina is permanently damaged after sex isn't it? You are failing to see the obvious truth here. Is the anus created for sex? Health experts mentioned that the anus and rectum is very fragile and susceptible to permanent damage after sexual exposure... Be arguing against the obvious truth... deny it all you want... |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 12:03am On Jun 26, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Just shut that loquacious gutter of yours if you have nothing to say okay ? What has taken you this long to respond them? ludicrous comments as usual...smh! |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:03am On Jun 26, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:Jonathan and David had a romantic relationship abi? What stopped them from getting married...if indeed it was a romantic relationship? Afterall, David was a hero in Israel after slaying Goliath, Jonathan was the prince and heir to the throne... So what stopped them from getting married...if God and the Israelites were not against a consensual same sex relationship? When are you going to show me one same sex marriage from the Bible? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:04am On Jun 26, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Oh...so you wanna tell us the anus was designed for sex? Hmmm Mr. Knowledgeable Traveller? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 12:05am On Jun 26, 2019 |
OkCornel:They choose to see what they want to see while being blind to others! That's what prevaricators do! Didn't he see the part where David described Jonathan as a BROTHER? smh |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:07am On Jun 26, 2019 |
OkCornel:Oga, opposite sex couple also involve in anal sex, MouthAction, bicycle sex, globin sex or any form of sex position. It is not homosexual thing. And anal sex isn't a sinful act |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:07am On Jun 26, 2019 |
openmine:I just tire for the guy... So if he has male friends he is close to as he is close to his brothers...that automatically means he has a romantic relationship with such a male friend... |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:08am On Jun 26, 2019 |
OkCornel:They couldn't marry again because they were already married to their wives. Don't you know what heterosexual is? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:08am On Jun 26, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:Goodness and mercy oooo So you are okay with sodomy? As in...you are telling us the anus was designed for sex? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 12:08am On Jun 26, 2019 |
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| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:13am On Jun 26, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:Ooooh....but are you telling us marrying more than one person back then was a crime? Or a man getting married to a woman and also a man is wrong? Why is this so? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 12:19am On Jun 26, 2019*. Modified: 12:38am On Jun 26, 2019 |
OkCornel:No wonder, I didnt know, you too, are averse to long content. It's all making sense to me now. Read case in point #2 above, in there, I tackled Romans 1:27. This same verse, which you have miserably misunderstood, is talking of straight males whom due to financial challenges reasons and/or other things, go to prostitute themselves as temple devotees, having sex with other men, knowing fully well they really arent sexually attracted to men OkCornel:Yes it is, but it doesnt mean that everyone takes to it. I dont expect you would be asking for Bible verses that approves or disapproves the anus to be used for sexual pleasure enjoyment, or would you now OkCornel:Get the fact sright, a sodomite is a temple male prostitute |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:19am On Jun 26, 2019 |
OkCornel:According to the bible, it is wrong then to marry a man as such act doesn't lead to procreation. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:22am On Jun 26, 2019 |
OkCornel:Anus just like mouth is erotic. The breast is not designed for sex but guys dey man am and have sex through it. All these are sexual practices which is employable by happily married couples. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 12:25am On Jun 26, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:Proverbs 5:19 Amplified Bible (AMP) 19 Let her be as a loving hind and graceful doe, Let her breasts refresh and satisfy you at all times; Always be exhilarated and delight in her love. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 12:26am On Jun 26, 2019 |
FOLYKAZE:They all, are erogenous zones, its just as simple as that |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 12:26am On Jun 26, 2019 |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:27am On Jun 26, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Why not look up the dictionary and see what sodomy means? https://www.google.com/search?q=sodomy&rlz=1C1GCEU_enNG821NG821&oq=sodomy&aqs=chrome..69i57.2415j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Or you're better than a dictionary
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| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:28am On Jun 26, 2019 |
openmine:Yes, you keep your diiiccckkk between jane and janet until you reach climax where the angel sing hallelujah |
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