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| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 12:28am On Jun 26, 2019 |
steady986:Remember, Giannis made those numbers playing hard both ends of the floor. His defensive stats and ability are crazy too. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 1:25am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Thanks bro . I'll also add the clutch factor . DeeMain: |
| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 8:09am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Pointguardusa:Yep. Same, same. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 5:04pm On Jun 26, 2019 |
Always Been my MVP since the start of the Season....Congrats Shina Adetokunbo |
| Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 2:08am On Jun 27, 2019 |
now that iguodala has spoken, warriors defenders where are you. you see urself? lol |
| Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 2:09am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Roland17:thanks for this. cat is outta d bag |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 3:21am On Jun 27, 2019 |
birdman:I hope you actually watched the interview and not read excerpts off a dumb article? Some of us watched the interview. I would wait for you to watch it and then come back and give your opinion on what he actually said then I can help clear grey areas that you may not have understood. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 4:11am On Jun 27, 2019 |
birdman:Here is is the full video of the interview if you care to watch. You can skip to 16:15 to hear Iggy's take on KD's injury and the reference he made to his injury last year and how it was underplayed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm14UTodDCw |
| Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 4:13am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Roland17:Again what I said ab initio. I found it really weird that the Warriors went out of their way to downplay the severity of KD's injury especially when the general public thought it was much worse. The atmosphere of expectation that he was returning was created by them Then you had Boogie and Looney coming back from what you would suggest were more serious injuries in miraculous time so you have to question the medical staff and wonder why they were so wide off the mark. Regardless of whether KD wanted to play or not the build up was such that KD was condemned to play or have his street cred damaged even more than it already might have been and that's why Bob Myers crocodile tears was so annoying to see after it happened. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 4:25am On Jun 27, 2019 |
A40:I was conversing with a die-hard Warriors fan at work, bear in mind this guy watches the Warriors play live at least 3 times every year, at least since I have known him. He argued that it does not surprise him that Klay tore his ACL considering he was rushed back after suffering the hamstring in game 2 and according to him, it was a matter of time before he ripped another muscle part in his lower body. Truth be told, the Warriors were running out of options because of the injuries and their fitness team were scrambling to put bodies on the court but it started looking desperate, too desperate for me and Bob Meyer did not manage the situation well. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 6:39am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Roland17:Truth be told it's the Finals and everyone will want to play. I don't or wouldn't blame the Warriors for what happened with Klay. His second injury was unfortunate but you see with KD, nothing you can tell me. He was clearly rushed and more than that they went out of their way to downplay the injury. Mere looking at KD's playing style and the fact that the calf and Achilles tendon are somewhat connected the idea that reinjury to the calf at best or rupturing an Achilles at worst case scenario wasn't a possibility is naïve at best and irresponsible at worst. And even worse Steve Kerr plays KD 12 of the first 14 minutes FFS, a player out for close to 5 weeks? I don't want to play Monday Morning Quarterback due to the high stakes nature of the game and the fact that injuries happen but it's almost like they were begging for it |
| Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 7:13am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:Lol, something that was discussed on first take. GS are a classless org. No wonder KD is opting out. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 7:21am On Jun 27, 2019 |
steady986:This one too will say he has a brain. LOL. Opting out of what? ![]() I am waiting for the usually reasonable birdman to respond. I have already accepted that a lot of people on here are not as intelligent as they think they are. The firsttake mugus no different. You are on your own pedestal when it comes to mumulity sha. Carry go. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 9:31am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:Watched it and I believe it's an indictment of the Warriors' hierarchy and also the NBA. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 9:34am On Jun 27, 2019 |
DeeMain:LOL. ![]() Kneel where you are and ask God for the spirit of understanding. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by SmooshCHN: 9:37am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:Opting out of the Warriors for being a classless organization. This guy gives himself a 10/10 when it comes to basketball ![]() |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 9:37am On Jun 27, 2019 |
SmooshCHN:I genuinely like the guy..no homo. Homie cracks me up. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 9:39am On Jun 27, 2019*. Modified: 10:08am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:Make your argument without sounding disrespectful, dude. That's what I deduced from what he said. Glad I'm not the only one. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 10:00am On Jun 27, 2019 |
DeeMain:Ok no vex. You don't need to be the only one to still be unashamedly wrong by the way. He said when he fractured his leg last time against Rockets, the medical team of the warriors told THE NBA that it was a bone bruise even though they knew it was a fracture. Every team does that BTW. You want to unsettle the opposition and make them overcalculate their tactics. If Iggy was ruled out completely the Rockets would have been emboldened. Rockets did same about CP3 and kept lying that he could play game 6 or 7 even when they knew he was out. That was the summary of what he said. Warriors did not play him, did they? The medical staff did not misdiagnose him (in fact he praised them). They only misled the NBA, journalists and the rockets (or at least they tried to). I am not even saying anything new. If you do some digging, you will see that at the time last playoffs, I said categorically that Iggy's bone bruise injury claim was BS. Teams do that. I would have gone to say exactly what he said about KDs injury but I am sure that is not what people care about. The hottake nonsense was to act like Warriors had misled Iggy about his injury but that is not what he was saying. Thing is, when you have made up your mind to hang your dog, any thread will be good enough. Which explains why people deliberately misunderstood the player. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 10:09am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Max Kellerman said Achilless bone is connected to the Calf bone. LOL That is who someone was quoting. LOL |
| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 10:19am On Jun 27, 2019*. Modified: 5:55pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:My take. He mentioned the indirect and subtle pressure on him(Iggy) to play from family, management, team mates, fans, when he was injured( a fracture) the season before as a metaphor for what happened to KD. He said the same kinds of indirect and subtle pressures was on KD. The expectation that players are supposed to play through injury no matter what and that if KD is not playing, that's money down the drain and title slipping away and the big dreaded label, "he's not tough". Guy, my inference is valid considering the whole context of KD's injury and what Iggy, his team mate, said here. It's a league wide problem though, not just the Warriors - this pressure on star players. So yes, it's an indictment, in my opinion. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 10:37am On Jun 27, 2019 |
DeeMain:Your opinion is wonderfully wrong. No debate. He said " it was put OUT THERE" as a bone bruise. Put out there to who? That is your answer. Iggy himself praised the team because not only did they not mislead him. They still treated him the way a fracture should be treated without ever asking him to play. The only thing they did was misinform journalists to keep the opposition guessing. It is not rocket science. Of course, when the media keep carrying a news repeatedly that a player has a bone bruise, people here and there will ask questions. How is the leg? Can you play? Is the pain still there? I mean, Steph was being asked these questions when he hurt his fingers. At no point did he say the Medical team misled HIM which is the lame argument you are trying to defend. Same goes for KD who (by the way got cleared by his own doctors) and then INSISTED on playing. Whatever pressures he felt is not in anyway related to the hot takes or about NBA teams misinforming the media. The warriors for e.g if KDs initial injury was an Achilles could have still lied it was a calf strain but they would have never played him (as he would not have been able to even play..LOL). And no amount of pressure can make a player who is unable to play, play. The pressure came from the media who kept claiming the player was out of GSW so to prove to them he was not out, he played. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 11:01am On Jun 27, 2019*. Modified: 12:08pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:Dude, I didn't say the Management lied or the doctors didn't give him a go-ahead. I've never made those claims. What I said is up there. Don't put words into my mouth. Listen to Iggy again and read my post in between the lines. Indirect, subtle pressures and expectations from management mean that the players, team doctors and even the players personal doctors are under some kind of pressure to deliver a certain deliverable or result or expectation no matter what. So, do not be fooled into believing that every diagnosis or statement a doctor puts out there is fact. Other considerations other than being professional might be goading him. Only very brave and self-contained players and some brave doctors can consistently be immune to and resist such indirect pressures and expectations. Sadly, it seems KD, and regrettably his doctors, fell to such subtle pressures and rushed back too early. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 11:14am On Jun 27, 2019 |
DeeMain:Sadly, you are still looking for different ways to make the same wrong statement. Nobody management or medical team put any pressure on Iggy and by extension KD. So your metaphor can safely be thrown out. As far as similarities go, the medical team did not misinform or misdiagnose anybody to deliver any deliverables. The only thing Iggy said was, they lied to the media which in turn generated pressures that neither the Warriors or the medical team cowered to in Iggy's case so how you made that leap to extrapolate it into KDs is voodoo. There was no pressure to deliver KD. If the player himself and warriors felt any pressure, what pressure will his own doctors feel to risk their client who could potentially lose his career and have no money to keep them on his payroll? Like I said, the hoopla was simply because people wanted to claim Iggy was exposing the Warriors but that has been thrown out by the player himself. You are now trying and failing to make Iggy say what he himself said he was not saying. LOL |
| Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 11:59am On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:you still see a grey area? haba |
| Re: The NBA Begins by SmooshCHN: 12:01pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:Spot on about Iggy's case. Every team does that. On KD, I'd only agree to say they rushed him because they know, especially KD's team and the Warriors team that they were taking a risk with letting KD play. The circumstances at that time wasn't helping matters. Everybody was injured. On a normal day, they wouldn't have cleared him to play but it's the finals and they cleared him after saying he has to be 100% first. Everyone here takes the blame IMO including Bob Myers as well as the media who were saying KD has to play. Would they do this again? No!! But every player would pull the Kawhi move which is good for the players. Trust has to go both ways and KD wanted to play through the injury as he said on his IG. Bad look on the medical staff if they assured everyone that there wouldn't have been any complications but I'm 100% they did inform everyone on the team of the complications. It's the most basic thing athletic trainers and medical staffs know. They calf strain takes 3-6weeks. KD took 32 days off which has been enough for many NBA players. In his case, it wasn't. Would they have known he would rupture his achilles? No!! No objective scan would tell them and they're not God. They took a risk and they paid dearly for it. If the Warriors are now suddenly classless, that's the media's problem since they want to choose when to call say KD must and must not play. Didn't Curry play through one injury in 2016 after the knee sprain vs Houston? Want he the hero after returning in the Portland game? The media cannot come and play two face here. If he sprained his ankle that game, they'll say it was connected to his knee. He was later scheduled to have surgery after that finals but it didn't matter to the media because he played well in the Portland series. Iggy was ruled out with his back issue, Bogut was out too and those guys weren't forced to play. It's a big issue because it happened to KD in the finals which Warriors ended up losing. Isaiah Thomas case with the Celtics is where the media can pull this two face. Klay's situation was no one's fault. Almighty LeBron would go down injured if he landed with toes pointed out and knees in like Klay did. Danny Green made sure he gave him no chance to score. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 12:02pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
Killrhymz:izz not my fault ejo |
| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 12:07pm On Jun 27, 2019*. Modified: 12:32pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:If KD really wants to play and his personal doctor, whom he pays, knows he is not ready, that same doctor is under the same kind of subtle pressure and can cave in to that pressure. Wise men have said for years that he who pays the piper dictates the tunes. Like I said, the same kind of pressures and expectations are not limited to the Warriors. It's a NBA-wide problem and the stars are at the receiving end. Stop personalizing it. There was pressure, perhaps not direct, to put KD into play too early and it backfired. Also note: 1. Doctors can be professionally wrong. It is why patients are advised to go for 2nd and 3rd opinions. At the very least, we now know that the Warrior's doctors and KD's doctors were wrong in their diagnosis. 2. Doctors are humans and have emotions and can be influenced by emotions and pressures. If Iggy says there is pressure to deliver a certain expectation, it means that team doctors might be affected by such pressures too, not just players. The Warrior's doctors could have caved in to such subtle pressures and rushed him out too early. It's a possibility. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by SIRcumalot: 12:12pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
DeeMain:What sort of pressure would make KD's own personal doctor act against his employer own interest ? Durant own doctor cleared him to play that pretty much mean he was good to go. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by DeeMain(m): 12:18pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
SIRcumalot:If KD is determined to play(again because of the pressures he feels) then that is a possibility. But we know now he wasn't good to go. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by SmooshCHN: 12:28pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
Eruditor:All this one ends when you listen to Iguodala without thinking he was trying to expose the Warriors. But you can't help people with this. The medical team would have been fired including KDs if what people are insinuating is what actually happened. On KD's case, the circumstances is why it's a drama. Some calf sprain sef takes 1 or two weeks to heal, you could rupture your achilles by walking with the wrong foot wear or getting off the bus or like John Wall, rupture it in your house not doing anything involving sport. And it could've been as a result of his calf strain not getting more than enough time. They knew this but took the risk to clear him just like every medical team in the league does when they clear a player who had calf strain. Doctors like to prolong healing time than usual, client always want to get back sooner. And KD wanted to play, the team needed him and the media were shouting saying KD is not being cleared to prove a point or he doesn't want to play to prove a point. This isn't an issue to me. They took a risk and it didn't pay off. Bob cried, the media is back to blaming the warriors and people are twisting Iggy's words. Watching the whole interview with Dj Envy and Charlemagne, he wasn't insinuating the Warriors have a reputation for lying to players about their injury but how and where the pressure comes from when they don't make a player's status known. Iggy never played that Houston series when he got injured. |
| Re: The NBA Begins by SmooshCHN: 12:41pm On Jun 27, 2019 |
DeeMain:1. One, Yes doctors can be professionally. Two, Kevin Durant was not misdiagnosed. This is a fact medically. If you rupture your achilles, you are going down brother. It's as easy as 123 on an MRI to see a ruptured achilles except you mean the Warriors medical team and KD's medical team don't know how to read MRI. Don't portray your ignorance as facts. It's unfair to those guys. 2. Yes, I totally agree that there was pressure. Iggy confirmed that however, you cannot to be taken seriously when saying the doctors "probably" caved in to pressure after saying a ruptured achilles was misdiagnosed as a calf strain. You can't put our false information as being objective and then be subjective at the same time saying they "probably".. If you say they cleared him too early due to pressure, I'll agree with you because too weak calf muscle can cause achilles rupture and in fact, too strong/tight calf muscles can rupture an achilles. However, if you insist on saying the fact is that they misdiagnosed him due to pressure or in your case probably misdiagnosed him due to pressure, it is not fact and you are wrong. Superman will take off if he wanted to fly if he ruptured his achilles let alone KD stand on his feet to come back to play. The best thing would be to say they lied to him or rushed him back too soon. That's a better way to just blame the Warriors. |
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