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| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 12:06am On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 1:23am On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:Woah, woah, woah oah, OkCornel you miss road, nobi small, you nefa at all see am. OkCornel, it's clear to see that, Romans 1:24, 26 & 27, are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. It is the same old, same old of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 reappearing again on but with a vengeance on the Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 scene. It is the familiar then Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 male prostituting thing happening and thriving in the city of Rome there, just like it previously was in the land of Cannan by the inhabitants, before and after it was inherited by the Israelites, but now women in Rome have joined gang in it too. The Amorites are mentioned in the Bible as inhabitants of Canaan both before and after the conquest of same land, inherited by the Israelites, now God, in, Deuteronomy 12:31 said: "You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshipping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates" and Leviticus 18 gives details of many of the sinful religious practices of the Canaanites, which included child sacrifice to the god Molech, incest, bestiality, being kadesh or qadesh (i.e. which is temple prostitute and a form of homosexuality) and cultic prostitution. I have previously, talked about why God was against the Amorites, I've talked about why Sodom and Gomorrah was planned to be destroyed, even before their attempted homosexual gang rape intention of visitor angels to the city OkCornel:"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute." - Deuteronomy 23:17 There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites. - 1 Kings 14:24 There is this common and unbroken strong thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be. What Paul was condemning in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived as I've now several times mentioned. We all know, accept and agree that Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 18:22 is Leviticus 20:13, but not all, like OkCornel know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and neither do you know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile As I've previously typed, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, but with a twist. Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Déjà pooh. Déjà pooh, being the sense and feeling of Paul thinking that he has "seen" and read about this crap happen before way back in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now, its reappeared on the ground, on scene in double force, the twist the women have joined gang too. OkCornel, you really need to objectively review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly recommend and advise you do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering your opinions and false beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words. The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after your doing the right thing, the objective reviews. There is a lot more in the tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because long posts makes people dizzy and not wanting to carefully read |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 1:19am On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 6:52am On Jul 01, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Shepherd00, why do you like chasing shadows, hmm? Why are you like a dog with a bone, pursuing things that are not there, erhn? Let me make myself clear, Hell will have to first freeze up before I'll indulge in any sort of homosexuality act, based on the simple reason that same sex attraction is not my thing and God forbid, I do it out of some desperate, great need or desire for something reason. You see, Shepherd00, I am not into all those money ritual businesses, like using women's pads & undies or pants, for money rituals, that's clearly absolutely nonsense and hard core bullshit. Now let me explain, just as I said it is not in my nature, to fancy men, talkless want to sex men, so if for some very strange and/or unusual reason, I find myself sexing men. It obviously is against my nature, becausely naturally and truly I never fancy men, at least never romantically or sexually, but I definitely and possibly must have done it, out of some desperate, great need or desire for something reason. It is the same way/manner that it is not in my nature, to believe the money ritual shenanigan, so if for some very strange and/or unusual reason, I find myself getting involved in it. It obviously is against what I believe is true, becausely naturally and truly I never believe money ritual is true, at least I know it doesnt work, but if I somehow find myself doing it, then I definitely and possibly must have done it, out of some desperate, great need or uncontrollable desire for something reason. OkCornel:Stop chasing shadows. Stop being like a dog with a bone, pursuing things that are not there. Your understanding is wrong, very bad and of dubious quality because Hell will have to first freeze up before I'll indulge in any sort of homosexuality act, based on the simple reason that same sex attraction is not my thing and God forbid, I do it out of some desperate, great need or uncontrollable desire for something reason. OkCornel, you and Shepherd00 should outgrow spreading fake news nau. When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. SMH. Shepherd00:SMH. The gutter is much more clean than some people I know on this thread minds. Shepherd00, I have set the record straight, so it's time you get your mind out of the gutter and stop gossiping please. Gossip reflects the insecurity of those who initiate it. Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots. Shepherd00, next time, if you want to make up lies about someone at all, make sure its about someone who isnt around to deny it and prove that they're lies you've made about them. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 6:43am On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 7:00am On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:In addition to the fact that Romans 1 v 26-27 outrightly condemns all forms of same sex relationship... Can you also explain why the Talmud recorded why marriage certificates were not issued to same sex couples? Homosexuality/Lesbianism of all sorts were seen as an abomination and totally unacceptable. That bursts your theory of limiting the whole thing to male prostitution... I have put the meaning of Arsenokytes which was translated directly from the Greek Bible to English using a Greek to English dictionary. It's not about male prostitution, it actually means the dominating partner in a homosexual relationship. Malakos is the opposite i.e. the effeminate ones I've cited different sources with their links here for everyone to see. However, you haven't shown even one source of your own interpretation... which I find very very questionable. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 8:21am On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 9:01am On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:"The Oral Law of the Jews (later written as the talmud)- the interpretation of Moses' Law by the Scribes and Pharisees. It is followed by the Orthodox Jews to this day as of equal authority to the Bible. They falsely claimed it was passed down from Moses by word of mouth. Jesus clashed with Pharisees over this law. He rejected it and came against it's legalistic spirit (Matt15:3, Mark7:3)" - by MuttleyLaff: 8:00pm On Aug 30, 2015 OkCornel, "Osaarọ kutukutu Monday, early Monday beginning of the working week" and I am already late stepping outside go for work, I will have to respond to you in the PM. Meanwhile from the above inverted commas quoting one of my comments made in 2015, concerning the veracity of the Talmud, you can see that hin don tay wey yansh don dey for fowl back. Just like Jesus and Apostle Paul, I am not a big fan of the Talmud, like you and other Pharisees are, but I am able to and will still hold my ground against it. I actually laughed out when I saw you included it, in with the three items stuff you mentioned that you'll like to discuss with me Your preferred understanding of what "arsenokoites" and "malakoi/malakos" are is seriously flawed and outrightly has unbiblical original and/or Ancient Greek meanings I am sorry to tell you in advance, that the Talmud, in which you rest your failing hopes, in no way bursts the facts concerning and confirming each verses had to do with male prostitution etcetera, but never mind, we'll catch up in the PM. Oh, I cant wait for the afternoon/evening to sink my teeth in to this cc EmperorHarry |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by alBHAGDADI: 9:15am On Jul 01, 2019 |
Muttleylaff, shepherd00 and others. Stay away from derailing my thread or else I will report you to the mods and you will banned. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 9:51am On Jul 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:So it's you reporting Shepherd00 to the moderators that has got his two posts hidden from view, obviously because of the hate contents in them, and in addition to being banned from posting on the Religion forum section. So na you be the snitch, hmm? alBHAGDADI you and Shepherd00 should curb this your tit for tat reporting each other to the moderators. Please alBHAGDADI, don't sound childish, calling a thread your thread and don't you ever in your life, come on to this thread to come and be throwing your over bloated weight and over sized ego around here. Mtcheeew. alBHAGDADI, "coma bitme at miaos nau" when I do sooner or later comment again on that poxy thread. Do you think moderators are not more level headed and objective than you are ni alBHAGDADI, hmm? Nonsense and ingredients. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by alBHAGDADI: 9:54am On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:What's this one saying? Shift |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 9:54am On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Nah nah nah nah nah... Just giving you historical and scriptural evidences as to why you can never find one example of "monogamous same sex marriage" in the old or new testament amongst the Jews or Gentiles... Meanwhile, I am still expecting the source(s) of your interpretation to Arsenokytes and Malakos, since you claimed mine is flawed. Have a great day at work. We'll catch up later today. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 9:59am On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 10:58am On Jul 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Saying you are a grass. Shift ko, gear ni. Olodo rapata upon twenty. Where, when and how did I ever derail the poxy thread you are unnecessarily getting over excited about, hmm? Seems the truth in my comments made on that thread, have given you sifia pains, you have to come in here on this thread to be doing gra-gra and be behaving like a lot or thug, as Shepherd00 painted you to be. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 10:02am On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:I'll give you sauce, pepper, salt and seasoning in a minute, not just source. Smh, some people just like playing deaf in hearing sha |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 10:54am On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:It's a matter of good and sufficient evidence Muttley. You claimed my understanding and interpretation of Arsenokytes and Malakos is flawed. Bring your source(s) and let's compare notes. Unless you are passing off your understanding of Arsenokytes and Malakos without any source(s) as the foundation of your argument. 1) No evidence of same sex marriage in the old or new testament amongst the Jews and Gentiles. 2) The Talmud also spoke of outrightly refusing marriage certificates to same sex couples. 3) Monogamous homosexuals are equally culpable of abandoning the natural use of a woman, and working together on what is unseemly as per Romans 1 v 26-28 4) The instructions in Leviticus which outrightly condemns homosexuality amongst the Jews... Muttley, add your 1+1 Same sex romantic relationship/marriage of any sort is an abomination. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 11:04am On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:When a crooked stick is put down on the ground, all one has to do, is lay a straight stick beside it and you don't have to do anything else, as truth will prevail and the crooked sticker owner embarrassed I have not only deconstructed the word arsenokoites and explained in detail with a video clip, why, who and what a malakos is, but I've showed their links & relationship with male prostitutings Those your four afterthoughts to your post, actually has to do with idolatry, pagan God sexual worship practice and male prostitutions involved in all this |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:12am On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Direct me to the video clip and the links please. Thanks. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:13am On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Still doesn't explain why we can't find one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures. It is a taboo before God and man... |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 11:21am On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:I have always and only typed that there are evidences SSA and relationships on either sides of the Bible, so where you got this same sex marriage idea from, I don't know It is not a taboo and the Bible doesn't say, it's a taboo for men to have affection for other men nor to not have sex with other men, so far it's your partner, and a partner for life, until death do part |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 11:30am On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:This is just too laughable. And yet, not one example of same sex marriage in the scriptures to show God's endorsement of such disgusting act. Ehen, Biko the link to the video where Arsenokytes and Malakos is explained. I need to check it out. I won't be surprised if the person behind the video is a hardened gay apologist that suddenly knows Greek more than the Greek people... |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 11:57am On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 4:14pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel: https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/22#79528402 That above is the video clip and link to the post on this thread where I've explained about the biblical original and true meaning of malakos. In that comment, I also mentioned where in this 21st century modern world this malako/qadesh/sodomite/male prostituting is still being practised Fyi, I was talking of the linkage with prostituting, as in, the relationship with male prostitution and not an URL link OkCornel, so stop believing you'll soon see elephants fly, stop giving yourself false hopes. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 4:50pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:I have never reported alBHAGDADI. what is going on here? Av been so busy all day. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 4:53pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:A video? Shouldn't he be talking about Greek Concordance? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 4:59pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Shepherd00:I don't know. You tell me. I've noticed that two of your posts on the thread alBHAGDADI opened and that was about hating, has gone missing, as in, two of your posts on that thread are no longer visible, not anymore in fact. Have you forgotten that you confided in me about you snitching on him to the mods before, erhn? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 5:00pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:How did I derail your thread? Did I discuss any opposing view from your Op? |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 5:02pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Don't mind the clown. I think air breezed into his brain, so doesn't know what he is talking about You and I actually gave the thread some bit of oomph |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 5:06pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:I have not noticed. let me check |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 5:08pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Shepherd00:I left the URL links of the missing posts of yours I couldn't any longer see. Check my last comment on that thread for them. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 5:20pm On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 6:23pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Shepherd00:I just dey laugh dey look Muttley. That video is one Instagram content from Tunde Ednut about Woodabe men. I was expecting source(s) to his interpretation of Arsenokytes just like I included mine earlier... He's not forthcoming. The bedrock of his argument is a very faulty one. |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 5:51pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:You are that unappreciative and ungrateful, that you couldn't even admit I inserted that clip as a fyi for those not familiar with how a malako would look like, when I gave the description of malakos in my explanation and when I made reference to another fact, that the only place in our modern world where this practice of malakos male prostituting still carries on is in India. It is not like it would make a difference to you, if I should magically make available a website as the source of all I know about arsenokoites erhn. You OkCornel, especially out of all others, just every moment make me laugh, watching you take great delight in and pride of your ignorance, predijuce, discrimination and homophobia |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 6:32pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: ![]() This guy no get work!
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| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 6:38pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:same stale narrative as usual ![]()
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| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 6:39pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: ![]()
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| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 6:41pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
OkCornel:rib-tickling and side-splitting!!! ![]() |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 6:43pm On Jul 01, 2019*. Modified: 8:00pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Its great to be back to this thread,though not for long as there are other interesting and captivating threads on nairaland(lets also not forget the real world) and besides,I am of the belief that the superb points and unequivocal scriptures as provided so far by TV01,Okcornel,shepherd,myself and others are more than copious to refute and repudiate the haphazard and tremulous presumption concocted by the OP! Nevertheless,these are my annotations and,maybe,my last submissions here! First, whoever got me banned, whether the OP or his unscrupulous allies or the inequitable mods that were solicitous to the OP,is of least prominence to me and the last thing I need right now is to elongate this thread with accusations and counter-accusations! So am giving it a rest because time is of the essence! Though I find it nauseating,waggish and injudicious that the OP would comically attribute my interdiction to God’s intervention! ![]() Am quite grateful to my adversaries who kept taunting and scorning my ban from this thread which undeniably displays the perspicacity of these folks! cipher! OP esp was so engrossed about my absence that he had to follow a conversation between me and @shepherd00 down to a sports thread. Guy no fears....reduce your obsession of me So far, I have analyzed from the commencement of this thread to the present as regards the objectives of the thread and that of the OP and my cessation is that this discourse,the scriptures provided and other valuable opinions by unperturbed and unruffled individuals on this thread have indeed strengthened my stance against homosexual acts whether its consensual or not! Once again the scriptures have triumphed over the controversial postulations which endeavoured,fruitlessly,to impose or dispute explicit scriptures on the bible’s stance against homosexuality! The OP emphatically claimed in his own words that God saw nothing untoward about consensual homosexual acts….Unfortunately and dolorously,he was unable to make any near semblance to such scriptures supporting his viewpoint and that’s because such scriptures doesn’t EXIST! The bible is coherent and perspicuous about the consensual union/sexual intercourse between a man and a woman which was expressly endorsed by God almighty! The op would deviously say ‘what is wrong with two adults engaging in a consensual homosexual act’?....The aim of such statements is to provoke empathy from the supposed open-minded! Everything is fallacious about such deeds no matter what analogy or sugar coating used! A pig will still submerge itself into a mud no matter how well they are treated or clothed! Its fool-hardy to do a wrong thing in the right way....! So no matter the tag ‘consensual’ used to tie around homosexual acts, such acts are unorthodox,abhorrent and mortifying! God,in his wisdom, created and endorsed a union between man and woman to procreate and multiply which WAS and STILL is his plan for mankind and no scripture inclination has mentioned anything contrary or indirectly created a union other than the one endorsed by God! Never was there a necessity or future proclamation of same sex union as erroneously suggested by the OP! This is made glaring with scriptures calling acts of same sex union as UNNATURAL…in other words,not based on the plans and features of a natural union which is between a man and woman! Lastly, to those who have stood firm in the face of insults, provocation and manipulation from Op and invited partners in crime,i think we have all made our salient points known and at the end,the word of God has finally prevailed against any alteration outside the word of God! What has been said is more than satisfactory for the wise to comprehend! Hence I would humbly suggest that we avoid extending this thread by falling for the OP's obvious but incessant prevaricating and digressing ploys! We are not here to force anyone to reject or accept our submissions….however, Let others peruse the back and forth of this thread and let them decide for themselves! Happy new month everyone! ![]() |
| Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff(op): 6:44pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
openmine:My guy! Welcome back, Thread wasnt the same with you out in the cold. Nice to have you back. Nice. openmine:I know. I know openmine:Why you dey laff nau? Abi na bad belle laff you dey laff ni? openmine:Trust me to be the butt of a joke nau |
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