₦airaland Forum

HeyCorleone:
So you're the nature one for bringing my parents into this? Lol.

I won't take it as an offence. What do I expect from someone who adores and worships pastors?

It's obvious you're bereft of every ability to process thoughts, and simple reasoning.

.......I brought your parents in because if they had thought you well then you should know the rules that guide public conversation ...but am happy you suggest they are not the problem ..then find a awsyvto learn how to communicate without insults especially in a faceless platform like this...enjoy your day

HeyCorleone:
So you're the nature one for bringing my parents into this? Lol.

I won't take it as an offence. What do I expect from someone who adores and worships pastors?

It's obvious you're bereft of every ability to process thoughts, and simple reasoning.

.....


..I brought your parents in because if they had thought you well then you should know the rules that guide public conversation ...but am happy you suggest they are not the problem ..then find a awsyvto learn how to communicate without insults especially in a faceless platform like this...enjoy your day

dadexcel:
......your point is noted , however it is important to note that starting from the Catholic pope, to the Pentecostal overseers, and the Jewish rabbi etc, these men are representatives of Christ who us the head of the church...and again they all we mortals subject to sane temptations and trials we all encounter on daily bases ..and sometimes are well prone to fall sometimes too...a good understanding of these facts and the fact that even the other denomination you are running to still have their challenges will make us know that wirship of God is the main reason we should attend religious gatherings ...men are mere instruments God uses to reach to His people ...

A consequence for not living up to moral standards in an organization should be the dissolution or destruction of that organization so that others are deterred against not adhering to a higher standard of morality. It is not helpful to me or anyone to point out the flaws of men as an excuse of not forcing these organizations to live up to the standards they expect from their own followers

If a culture continues to accept the flaw of a high tempered man in beating his wife, subsequently damaging the psychology of his children and subjecting them to imbibe or repeat such acts in a continuous unbroken cycle of hypocrisy for THE SAKE of upholding the family unit, that culture will eventually rot.

Leonbonapart:
The real judas are crawling out of their shells

Good this thing happen so you can know who can stand behind you in difficult times.

Even if he was guilty, what happened to helping him finding his way back to Christ

But has these people ever read their bible at all. Are they actually Christians.

Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter that's what Jesus said n that is what is happening. If the inner circle of the senior pastor were aware of the happenings in the church, it is most likely that the congregation won't trust them, where there is no trust there is no relationship where there is no relationship there is no church.

dadexcel:
.....


..I brought your parents in because if they had thought you well then you should know the rules that guide public conversation ...but am happy you suggest they are not the problem ..then find a awsyvto learn how to communicate without insults especially in a faceless platform like this...enjoy your day

If your parents, jointly, had the brains of a gnat, they would have told you the difference between "taught" and "thought".

But it's quite obvious you never knew yours, so you feel the need to drag others'. Lol. Please. Worst is you're exhibiting the values of a "firm Christian who wouldn't leave his church". Lol.

Your stupidity is both amusing, and depressing.

morpheus24:
A consequence for not living up to moral standards in an organization should be the dissolution or destruction of that organization so that others are deterred against not adhering to a higher standard of morality. It is not helpful to me or anyone to point out the flaws of men as an excuse of not forcing these organizations to live up to the standards they expect from their own followers

If a culture continues to accept the flaw of a high tempered man in beating his wife, subsequently damaging the psychology of his children and subjecting them to imbibe or repeat such acts in a continuous unbroken cycle of hypocrisy for THE SAKE of upholding the family unit, that culture will eventually rot.

In response to this I have few questions: if the response to rot in an "organization " as you out us is to dissolve or destroy the organization, then I ask these questions;

1. Should the entire staff of a circler organization design because the top management are found guilty of corruption?

2. Should the members of a family quit being so because their father became promiscuous or even beats their mother ?

3. Should members of a social club, an association, a community etc quit the unit because the hierarchy were found guilty of crime or corruption ?

If these people will not quite for these reasons simply because their loyalty is mostly to the principles that that guides the organizations rather than the figure heads , then true worshippers should not gsng up to pull down a church or destroy the congregation of true Worshippers simply because the hierarchy were involved in crime .

Instead , the membership of these bodies can either sanction the offenders , expel them or discipline them because the organization just like the body if Christ is bigger than any individual....my submission though

HeyCorleone:
If your parents, jointly, had the brains of a gnat, they would have told you the difference between "taught" and "thought".

But it's quite obvious you never knew yours, so you feel the need to drag others'. Lol. Please. Worst is you're exhibiting the values of a "firm Christian who wouldn't leave his church". Lol.

Your stupidity is both amusing, and depressing.

......


Since I you graciously excluded your parents from your lack of tact and maturity , your poor knowledge of rules of good discuss, I can now allow you to continue in your folly pending when you have been brushed up ....so enjoy your folly and insults...have a good day bro

so one must anounce on social media before changing church abi

Hmmmm. Well said,But now,our concern should not be to join the bandwagon of those calling for pastor Abiodun's head or in his defense but we should pray that God gives us insight on what to do when sin or failure catches up with a Christian.

who be this one?

Chei offertory and tithes go reduce drastically at least for some days. Busola don spoil market for Biodun.

dadexcel:
In response to this I have few questions: if the response to rot in an "organization " as you out us is to dissolve or destroy the organization, then I ask these questions;

1. Should the entire staff of a circler organization design because the top management are found guilty of corruption?

1.I am assuming you meant "secular" in the statement above for clarity purposes.

2.It depends on the adherence to the moral compass of the individual. I would personally resign and not be associated with an organization that is deemed to be corrupt as this would compromise my own morality and would further possibly damage my reputation going forward if I were to move to another reputable organization and would possibly want to take up a leadership position.

dadexcel:
2. Should the members of a family quit being so because their father became promiscuous or even beats their mother ?

1.They should protect their mother from any further consequences of such a character by either advising her to separate from that situation, seek counseling or cause adverse consequences on the perpetrator of the heinous act.

2. They should exit that nucleus if they believe that atmosphere will cause damage to their psyche or psychology. Yes!

dadexcel:
3. Should members of a social club, an association, a community etc quit the unit because the hierarchy were found guilty of crime or corruption ?

Yes, they should have the prerogative to exit that organization and look for one that exhibits higher values.

dadexcel:
If these people will not quite for these reasons simply because their loyalty is mostly to the principles that that guides the organizations rather than the figure heads , then true worshippers should not gsng up to pull down a church or destroy the congregation of true Worshippers simply because the hierarchy were involved in crime. Instead , the membership of these bodies can either sanction the offenders , expel them or discipline them because the organization just like the body if Christ is bigger than any individual....my submission though

There will always be people who perceive loyalty as a higher moral value than justice even though the reverse should be the case so you will have people that will stick around for this sake but know that in terms of the higher moral path they have chosen the lesser.

dadexcel:
In response to this I have few questions: if the response to rot in an "organization " as you out us is to dissolve or destroy the organization, then I ask these questions;

1. Should the entire staff of a circler organization design because the top management are found guilty of corruption?

2. Should the members of a family quit being so because their father became promiscuous or even beats their mother ?

3. Should members of a social club, an association, a community etc quit the unit because the hierarchy were found guilty of crime or corruption ?

If these people will not quite for these reasons simply because their loyalty is mostly to the principles that that guides the organizations rather than the figure heads , then true worshippers should not gsng up to pull down a church or destroy the congregation of true Worshippers simply because the hierarchy were involved in crime .

Instead , the membership of these bodies can either sanction the offenders , expel them or discipline them because the organization just like the body if Christ is bigger than any individual....my submission though

how dare you compared the above with people's fate and beliefs? Biodun Fatoyinbo owns that church if all they said about him stinks and ungodly, then his church is not the right place to serve God.

Please who the phuck is seun ajayi and what movies has he starred in? Some failed bast.ards tryna use this rape issue as an opportunity to revive dead careers. Tell us the real reason you where going to the church in the first place...awon eleya..

Leonbonapart:
The real judas are crawling out of their shells

Good this thing happen so you can know who can stand behind you in difficult times.

Even if he was guilty, what happened to helping him finding his way back to Christ

But has these people ever read their bible at all. Are they actually Christians.

he's not taking a concrete stand.
They came for him to lead them to christ, if any feel they don't trust him,then worshipping there is doing their faith harm....They should find where they can concentrate without double minds.....nobody is tied to a particular church or pastor.
Go anywhere u can serve God if u feel ur present atmosphere is not OK for u.

backnbeta:
The man has been tried and convicted on social media. O ye Olorun

The first sensible conclusion on this forum.

FacelessKing:
Trash!!!
Y’all mad..

I ran an instagram ad last week about a little girl raped to death, even tagged these useless celebrities... nobody did nothing.
Protesters that skipped church yesterday - Mad
Everyone supporting a video confession- Mad

Sue this pastor and if he’s guilty, let him pay dearly.

They not concern about rape. They just cashing in on the trend. Something that even happen 20yrs ago has more relevance than a little girls rape case. Not from their heart they are pursuing this cousre. That's why God will not support it and why they them self will the have the will to see it through.

oyetunder:
Go to places they are serving the Lord with sound teachings, they will say no. Go to where members are advised daily to be godly, they will say nah kumuyi style. They want where anything goes. They want places of ride on pastor. Now pastor don dey ride their wives and daughters... make them no run

All of you are hypocrites, the fact it happened in COZA doesn't mean is not happening in other denominations. It can be Deeper Life, Redeem or Living Faith tomorrow.
Anybody that's spiritually minded will know that God is purging his church and making scape goat of Fatoyinbo for others to repent. The judgment has started from the altar just as it in the bible. If God opened our past and even present lifestyle to the whole world some of us will pray for the ground to be opened so that we'll enter but his mercy and grace is unending.
Again, The ways of God is different from the ways of men; God has opened hidden sins that may deny Pastor Biodun from heaven and i believe God will purge him and he will come out as Gold. The soul of a Child of God is more important to him than Ministry or material possessions. So he'll to everything to save us from going to hell.
Not everybody going to deeper life or redeem or living faith will make heaven, its your lifestyle and personal work with God that will determine it.
If God has made Fatoyinbo my spiritual father, i will not leave except God tells me to leave because he fell into sin today does not make him the servant of the devil in fact God will expose your sins if he loves you. He will brake you to make you. I just pray that God will open the eye's of all Christians that are not in right standing with him so that they will learn from this incidence.
I urge all through believes to pray for him in this trying moment and also to purge ourselves from sin. Besides, this incidence happened like 20 years back how are you sure God has not forgiven him.
I am not a COZA member, i am just a believer.
I pray that God will do everything to purge the Nigerian Church so as to be prepared for his coming.

And this has to be on social media?
Attention seeking f00l.

enemyofprogress:
how dare you compared the above with people's fate and beliefs? Biodun Fatoyinbo owns that church if all they said about him stinks and ungodly, then his church is not the right place to serve God.

...exactly the point I have been trying to make , biodun fatoyinbo in try Christian teaching does not own the church , the church is not a company that us owned by individuals or shareholders....it is the church of God, God Himself is the owner of a church...biodun is just an instrument or a messenger in the hands of God....

Wetin concern us.
Note people like this. They run away when they feel they are not being favoured. Meaning, you can't depend on them.

was it not your fellow conehead afonja that raped a lady? Why leave.. Afonjas and betrayal. Cursed people

morpheus24:
1.I am assuming you meant "secular" in the statement above for clarity purposes.

2.It depends on the adherence to the moral compass of the individual. I would personally resign and not be associated with an organization that is deemed to be corrupt as this would compromise my own morality and would further possibly damage my reputation going forward if I were to move to another reputable organization and would possibly want to take up a leadership position.



1.They should protect their mother from any further consequences of such a character by either advising her to separate from that situation, seek counseling or cause adverse consequences on the perpetrator of the heinous act.

2. They should exit that nucleus if they believe that atmosphere will cause damage to their psyche or psychology. Yes!




Yes, they should have the prerogative to exit that organization and look for one that exhibits higher values.



There will always be people who perceive loyalty as a higher moral value than justice even though the reverse should be the case so you will have people that will stick around for this sake but know that in terms of the higher moral path they have chosen the lesser.

Well thought out responses ....however in terms of secular organizations, heirachial corruption most times leads to demotion of the heirschy if they are found guilty and does not result to the closing of the organization .

Secondly, for the family the children can shield their mother from the crimes if their father, they can even go as far as disown their father because of his crimes but they cannot abandon the family because the head is guilty of a crime .

As for the church, No single individual owns a true Christian church ...God does , hence the reason we go there is to worship GOD...if at some point certain ministers and messengers of God are found guilty of crimes , the congregation through the church elders, or leaders are to investigate , and take decisive steps towards discipline .

willyjacs:
he's not taking a concrete stand.
They came for him to lead them to christ, if any feel they don't trust him,then worshipping there is doing their faith harm....They should find where they can concentrate without double minds.....nobody is tied to a particular church or pastor.
Go anywhere u can serve God if u feel ur present atmosphere is not OK for u.

by doing so, you have to come to Internet and wail. Last last nobody cares

God punish seun Ajayi

Hehehe! On top say you wan quit church, you come write this epistle Mr. Churchgoer? Why not quit in peace?
Ode

FacelessKing:
Trash!!!
Y’all mad..

I ran an instagram ad last week about a little girl raped to death, even tagged these useless celebrities... nobody did nothing.
Protesters that skipped church yesterday - Mad
Everyone supporting a video confession- Mad

Sue this pastor and if he’s guilty, let him pay dearly.

Don't mind those idiots. If na one man of God, all of them will start reacting like chemical for more attention. They will pay deaf ear on the little girl case because she is not a pubic figure. Bunch of fools.

Our leaders, both past and present have been raping this country on a daily basis but no Nigerian is protesting....


You can see that y’all bloody hypocrites

That means he attended the church just because of the Pastor and not for the his own salvation, salvation as we all know is a personal race. SMH......

That means he attended the church just because of the Pastor and not for his own salvation, salvation as we all know is a personal race. SMH......

please somebody should help me with 2k, I am begging, help a brother and save a soul today 0477706396 GTBank please