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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by sonofElElyon: 8:19am On Jul 05, 2019
Do you know the difference between eye witness account and hearsay
Only the bible account is eye witness account..



Kokoebapluse:
Even ifa is very correct than Bible.

In the Quran all said Mariam give birth to Jesus in the bush. Ifa also said the same thing. But in Bible there is contradiction between Mathew and other author of nt some said Jesus was born inside a house, while some said Jesus was born outside. Quran said Jesus is a messenger of Allah. Ifa said the same. But Bible said Jesus is God, Jesus is son of God,Jesus is Holy Spirit Jesus, is a prophet, Jesus is son of man, Jesus was sent by God, pls who is the author of confusion Bible? ifa more better than Bible by far.
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Siralgebra04(m): 8:19am On Jul 05, 2019
QueenSekxy:

Lmao.

All these moon worshippers. grin

Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.

(1) Matthew 17:21.
(2) Matthew 18:11.
(3) Matthew 23:14.
(4) Mark 7:16.
(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.
(7) Mark 11:26.
(cool Mark 15:28.
(9) Luke 17:36.

and many more

A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Encyclopedia1: 8:19am On Jul 05, 2019
MorataFC:
Let it be known to you if you have not know before, all the religions on earth stole their story line from Bible, copied their belief from from the original HOLY book

And where did the Bible copy it’s own? U must have forgotten that some people were worshipping God millions of years before Christianity or the Bible itself. Think. Get sense.

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by sammhi(m): 8:21am On Jul 05, 2019
Op
Observe certain things
Any City or town that worship IFA are always backward with high disease rate , death , plagues and others. Why ? Find out !
Countries or cities that worship God as he prescribed in the Bible always prosper and in peace (compare western Europe to Eastern Europe ) . Most eastern Europe don't believe in God and are like poor cousins to the west.
Southern Nigeria is predominantly pagan worshippers with a mix of pseudo Christians. The result : a very unstable region .
Arabs are predominantly Muslims using the Quran as their constitutions. : Result a very wealthy and stable countries.
Russians and Chinese are predominantly Aetheist and you can see even though are well developed but are not inviting . So they are a 'case of human efforts but their stability is fact that they are firmly rooted to principle found in Bible...
Asians are like southern Nigeria .. predominantly pagans but with a mix of pseudo Christians. Result : a very unstable cities
Conclusion
IFA is paganism and a direct Satanic or demon worship ..it can't lead you anywhere .
God through Christ is the ultimate..but problem is most people are not ready to follow Christ as in the textbook way .
Think : if all of us in Nigeria obey God as found in Bible ..how do you think our country would look like ? Pleasant, peace development etc .
It is in our hands .
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by QueenSekxy(f): 8:23am On Jul 05, 2019
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Siralgebra04:


Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.
Matthew 17:21.

(2) Matthew 18:11.

(3) Matthew 23:14.

(4) Mark 7:16.

(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.

(7) Mark 11:26.

(cool Mark 15:28.

(9) Luke 17:36.

and many more


A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.
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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by meetbalo(m): 8:28am On Jul 05, 2019
rokisammy:



Pharaoh Rhamses II

you can still Google to see his almost undecayed body
Was it mentioned in the bible?
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by QueenSekxy(f): 8:28am On Jul 05, 2019
Siralgebra04:


Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.

(1) Matthew 17:21.
(2) Matthew 18:11.
(3) Matthew 23:14.
(4) Mark 7:16.
(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.
(7) Mark 11:26.
(cool Mark 15:28.
(9) Luke 17:36.

and many more

A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.
Shut up oga. I have those verses with me here. Just cos some of you moon worshippers and atheist have access to bible, you think you have the right to spew balderdash.
Your own contradiction of your koran by Sunnis, shites and many terrorist organisation ascribed to the moon god should be something you need to get worried about.

Oxford ko

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by sammhi(m): 8:30am On Jul 05, 2019
Siralgebra04:


Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.

(1) Matthew 17:21.
(2) Matthew 18:11.
(3) Matthew 23:14.
(4) Mark 7:16.
(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.
(7) Mark 11:26.
(cool Mark 15:28.
(9) Luke 17:36.

and many more

A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.
Don't be too simplistic
Go pick the original copy of the Bible in its original form written in Hebrew Aramaic and Greek . There is no change . What you are ignorant about is that you are using translated versions as being that the words changes. English and languages get modified over time. The so called changes are languages. Most people interpret according to their understanding.
Same with Quaran...the English translations have different versions too.
Water is made by God ..don't people pollute it ?
Truth is God is not in details..what God wants from us is very simple ...love him and love your neighbour.
If you love God you won't lie , kill , steal , pervert justice etc ..
God is really not looking for who has more knowledge of the Bible or Quaran..no, he is looking for those who fear him and practice righteousness.

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ScotMisile: 8:30am On Jul 05, 2019
Kokoebapluse:



Let Me help you with one here.


Can you plz tell us according to the Bible how many angel Mary Magdalene saw at the tomb ( grave) of Jesus after resuration?

Pls I need answers from Mathew, mark, luke, John.

But be very careful to use (John) because John will shame you at the end. So am waiting for your answer?
.

Do you believe JESUS ressurrected from the dead?... Yes or No determine if I shall answer that question or not... because, you can't tell me to explain what you disbelieve in
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by meetbalo(m): 8:35am On Jul 05, 2019
philkamby:


Please do not say what you dont know. The bible was completed in AD 90, while Mohammed(who started Islam) was born around AD 630.

So there is no comparism.
Church is a scam oga.

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Kokoebapluse(m): 8:37am On Jul 05, 2019
sonofElElyon:
Do you know the difference between eye witness account and hearsay
Only the bible account is eye witness account..






In the Bible there some eye witness record. But in NT all what in it is (hearsay) or let us just say lies. Mathew, mark, luke, none of this people see Jesus face to face they are not among 12 deciple of Jesus but they wrote lies and want people to believe it? Before I use to think that John Is on of deciple of Jesus so maybe his gospel maybe correct, but latter I found out that John wasn't the author of gospel of John in Bible according to John 21:24. It's clear that John wasn't the real author of gospel of John It was written by someone group of unknown peoples, who have not yet know.

So to be honest together Bible is not a book that one can accept it record. Especially nt. Although ot also have it own corruption but nt is Toooo much. And that is not a book Allah gived issa.

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by meetbalo(m): 8:37am On Jul 05, 2019
QueenSekxy:

Lmao.

All these moon worshippers. grin
All these ignorant pastors worshippers.

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Kingsaeedibn: 8:39am On Jul 05, 2019
oluwatobi75:



"was very angry WITH me not at me"..... Allow another man express his opinion undecided


You should know that "me" is typographical error..

That "me" should be "him"

Him as in umar
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ScotMisile: 8:42am On Jul 05, 2019
Siralgebra04:


Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.
Matthew 17:21.

(2) Matthew 18:11.

(3) Matthew 23:14.

(4) Mark 7:16.

(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.

(7) Mark 11:26.

(cool Mark 15:28.

(9) Luke 17:36.

and many more


A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.

I humbly checked now.. .And I found all the verses, you declared missing.. .the verses are fully intact verse for verse

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Kokoebapluse(m): 8:42am On Jul 05, 2019
ScotMisile:
.

Do you believe JESUS ressurrected from the dead?... Yes or No determine if I shall answer that question or not... because, you can't tell me to explain what you disbelieve in




grin grin. Aaaaaaahhhhkikikikikikikikikiki. Guy don't dugg the questions abet you?. You ask the guy for any contractions in Bible, and I give you 1 example but now you want to turn it abi? We know you. OK ooo I don't believe in the dead of issa ( yeshua,eesou) so can you tell me how many angel Mary Magdalene saw?
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by akdjr(m): 8:44am On Jul 05, 2019
I will be interested in the book if it has an English version too. But hope there is no such story in it that bthe flood that happen in Noah's village covered the entire eath? quoteor=bilms post=79937060]Quran, Ifa and the Bible
By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat

Recently, in the course of research about history, i came in contact with a book on Ifa corpus.

I took interest in it because, I have heard many times that in ifa, exists history of many towns and people and i really wanted to know how true this is.

So, i took a copy of this ifa book to read.

Surprisingly, in the chapter one of the book, titled eji ogbe, a story, closely related to that which was narrated by the Quran and Bible was contained in it.

If you remember, the Quran and Bible told a story about the miraculous birth of a child called Jesus or Isa.

In both narratives, they said a virgin lady named Marry or Mariam (as the case may be), that is not married conceived the child without ever being with any man.

Bible said Marry conceived Jesus through holy spirit and the Quran said Mariam conceived Isa through what Islamic Scholars described as "kun fa ya kun".

I have just found out that similar story was narrated in an Odu Ifa called eji ogbe.

Ifa called the woman Oyigi and the child, ela.

According to the story, oyigi is unmarried and a revelation from ifa came to her that she will give birth to a miraculous child, a child that will be God's messenger.

Soon, she got pregnant as prophesied without meeting any man, went into the bush and eventually gave birth to the child she named ela.

The child, according to the story, became the most knowledgeable about ifa and when Orunmila is returning to heaven or eledumare, he entrusted spiritual knowledge of ifa to ela and asked all ifa messengers to refer to ela when they have any question.

Could this ifa story, be said to be similar to that of the quran and bible?

Abdulrazaq O Hamzat [/quote]
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Siralgebra04(m): 8:44am On Jul 05, 2019
sammhi:

Don't be too simplistic
Go pick the original copy of the Bible in its original form written in Hebrew Aramaic and Greek . There is no change . What you are ignorant about is that you are using translated versions as being that the words changes. English and languages get modified over time. The so called changes are languages. Most people interpret according to their understanding.
Same with Quaran...the English translations have different versions too.
Water is made by God ..don't people pollute it ?
Truth is God is not in details..what God wants from us is very simple ...love him and love your neighbour.
If you love God you won't lie , kill , steal , pervert justice etc ..
God is really not looking for who has more knowledge of the Bible or Quaran..no, he is looking for those who fear him and practice righteousness.

Dear sir/madam,

Don't be too ignorant for ignorance is not an excuse. Noboday is referring to any translated version be it English or french. I am referring to the Original Version (Greek) of ur Bible. If u don't have a copy, do not procrastinate, quickly visit ur church or download d greek version now. Do not be fooled, ur editable bible have been revised and so they have removed d verses they are not interested in. And they will still remove more in d future. Should book of God have such characteristics?
Such a thing is never attributed to The Holy Quran either in its Arabic version or any other language.
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ScotMisile: 8:44am On Jul 05, 2019
Point of correction, the Bible is not a book written by God.. .Hehehehe. ..it is simply a documentation of the lives of men who experienced God and decided to document it so that we can continue from where they stopped.
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ashantitope: 8:44am On Jul 05, 2019
jrusky:


Bro God bless you. I love people with a bright mind like you. The secret of life is: When you study you know and when you have information you defeat ignorant*

I have said it time without number to close friends that what is behind religion is a mystery that it's only God who can understand it.

It's a shameful for any African man to kill his fellow Africans because of relugious belief.

Christianity and Islam has date when they were brought to Africa then what was our fore father's religion before then? These two religion at loggerhead came we love them and embraced them in honesty no need to kill ourselves for what is originally not ours.

I feel somehow when I see how Alfa and pastor brainwashed our people I am a Muslim since I have been reading my holy book I have never seen anywhere that says we should hate or dislike or fight any religion or tribe but what our people preach to there followers this days I don't understand many of those ifa, osun, sango,and many other worshipper will make heaven while all this Alfa and pastor will not because those people know who they worship is God and there is no any other God's except him only so those Alfa and pastor that have juju in there wardrobe and deceiving there people

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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Onitolo5: 8:45am On Jul 05, 2019
Respect you for the knowledge
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by rokisammy: 8:46am On Jul 05, 2019
Joromi12:
i also check rhamses history no mention of that was there. The bible did not mention his name because it never happened. They mentioned king herod . Ceasar and the likes. Why not Pharoah

So you expect Egyptians that are basically Muslims to credit such a historical incident to the Bible....
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Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ScotMisile: 8:46am On Jul 05, 2019
Kokoebapluse:





grin grin. Aaaaaaahhhhkikikikikikikikikiki. Guy don't dugg the questions abet you?. You ask the guy for any contractions in Bible, and I give you 1 example but now you want to turn it abi? We know you. OK ooo I don't believe in the dead of issa ( yeshua,eesou) so can you tell me how many angel Mary Magdalene saw?

So, why argue over something you don't believe in
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Kokoebapluse(m): 8:50am On Jul 05, 2019
ScotMisile:


So, why argue 9ver something you don't believe in


Because I want you to proof is wrong that there is no contradiction in your Bible? And I want to know if am the one having eyes problem.

Can you please tell us how many angel Mary Magdalene saw?
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ScotMisile: 8:53am On Jul 05, 2019
Kokoebapluse:



Because I want you to proof is wrong that there is no contradiction in your Bible? And I want to know if am the one having eyes problem.

Can you please tell us how many angel Mary Magdalene saw?

Bro, telling you answer is as useless pouring water on a rock... We are commanded not to he involved in such argument. . .. You don't believe and you will never believe... So, there is no need telling you the truth . .because we are also commanded not to share truth just to win an argument.. .
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Nobody: 8:54am On Jul 05, 2019
Siralgebra04:


See dis one. U just shot urself in d leg. U think Bible is a book from God? A God's book will never have hundreds of discrepancies and errors. If u dear argue, i will refer u to many verses that are against one another.
Maybe u don't know that scores of verse have been removed from what u call bible. If u argue, i will refer u to many verses that have been removed.
U will never see any error, omission or discrepancy in d Holy Quran.
Do you mind posting them ?
Good morning...
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Siralgebra04(m): 8:57am On Jul 05, 2019
GLYCOLYSISS:

Do you mind posting them ?
Good morning...

Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.
(1) Matthew 17:21.
(2) Matthew 18:11.
(3) Matthew 23:14.
(4) Mark 7:16.
(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.
(7) Mark 11:26.
( Mark 15:28.
(9) Luke 17:36.
and many more
A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Kolirazy(m): 9:00am On Jul 05, 2019
bilms:
Quran, Ifa and the Bible
By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat

Recently, in the course of research about history, i came in contact with a book on Ifa corpus.

I took interest in it because, I have heard many times that in ifa, exists history of many towns and people and i really wanted to know how true this is.

So, i took a copy of this ifa book to read.

Surprisingly, in the chapter one of the book, titled eji ogbe, a story, closely related to that which was narrated by the Quran and Bible was contained in it.

If you remember, the Quran and Bible told a story about the miraculous birth of a child called Jesus or Isa.

In both narratives, they said a virgin lady named Marry or Mariam (as the case may be), that is not married conceived the child without ever being with any man.

Bible said Marry conceived Jesus through holy spirit and the Quran said Mariam conceived Isa through what Islamic Scholars described as "kun fa ya kun".

I have just found out that similar story was narrated in an Odu Ifa called eji ogbe.

Ifa called the woman Oyigi and the child, ela.

According to the story, oyigi is unmarried and a revelation from ifa came to her that she will give birth to a miraculous child, a child that will be God's messenger.

Soon, she got pregnant as prophesied without meeting any man, went into the bush and eventually gave birth to the child she named ela.

The child, according to the story, became the most knowledgeable about ifa and when Orunmila is returning to heaven or eledumare, he entrusted spiritual knowledge of ifa to ela and asked all ifa messengers to refer to ela when they have any question.

Could this ifa story, be said to be similar to that of the quran and bible?

Abdulrazaq O Hamzat


God's one but he has many faces which implies that there's thousands and one way in which each religion conceive God....
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ScotMisile: 9:00am On Jul 05, 2019
The Bible can never be understood by an unbeliever.. .Until you decide for Christ. .then your eyes shall be opened to see the truth... As far as you have rejected the Truth.. .the truth has also rejected you... .. heheheheheh... I laugh in heavenly language.. .
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by ScotMisile: 9:02am On Jul 05, 2019
Siralgebra04:


Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.
(1) Matthew 17:21.
(2) Matthew 18:11.
(3) Matthew 23:14.
(4) Mark 7:16.
(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.
(7) Mark 11:26.
( Mark 15:28.
(9) Luke 17:36.
and many more
A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.

Hehehehe.. .. pls, I have checked ooo.. .my Bible is completely complete.
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Kolirazy(m): 9:03am On Jul 05, 2019
Siralgebra04:


Just like Oxford dictionary update their products, these are few from many verses that av been removed from ur bible. Check ur bible, those verses are missing.
(1) Matthew 17:21.
(2) Matthew 18:11.
(3) Matthew 23:14.
(4) Mark 7:16.
(5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46.
(7) Mark 11:26.
( Mark 15:28.
(9) Luke 17:36.
and many more
A genuine book from God will never have such a feature. Pick up a Quran that was used in lets say 200yrs ago, compare it with modern ones, u will never find any difference even with d slightest coma or fullstop.


Man! Both Quran and Bible undergone some changes... If you do your research well on Quran you will it also went through some changes...though not like the Bible... Thought the cause of history and change the both books have also underwent some interpolation
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by Kokoebapluse(m): 9:04am On Jul 05, 2019
ScotMisile:


Bro, telling you answer is as useless pouring water on a rock... We are commanded not to he involved in such argument. . .. You don't believe and you will never believe... So, there is no need telling you the truth . .because we are also commanded not to share truth just to win an argument.. .



cool. I have no problem with you and your book. Am well guide by Allah. And am very happy to why belong to stray way.


Masallam
Re: Quran, Ifa And The Bible By Abdulrazaq O Hamzat by bilms(m): 9:05am On Jul 05, 2019
Stop the argument please.

Pause a bit

Then think.

You may see God from within you, not from any book.

Thanks

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