Marjoribanks:

This man go and sit down, you have nothing reasonable to say.
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comodo:

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darkelf:


In fact, the part where he says the National team isn't a place to build career got to me

So, Onuachu playing in Denmark is better than Osimhen playing in Belgium.

The only worthwhile argument is physical strength and height which Onuachu may have better than Osimhen but apart from that, I don't see any other better quality

You have brought two separate issues into this discourse.

I will go back to my proposition adage which I have stated time and time again, i will remind you. "It is better to be a Lion in a lower league and club than anonymous mouse in a bigger league and club"

Both players have earned their call up to the SE, more of a reflection of lack of quality strikers in the SE comparative to years gone past than actual outstanding ability.

However, Onuachu has been consistent for near 5 seasons of professional football in the Danish league playing for arguably their best team FC Midtjylland, he has been if you like their "Star Boy" ended up in the top 5 goal scorers in the league. In comparison Osimhen has had his first full season of competitive first team football and ended up in the top 10 scorers in Belgium league.


It is superficial subjectivity to assume that because Osimhen plays in the Belgium league he is therefore better than Onuachu it is not so simplistic.

But first of all irrespective of league or club what can they bring to the table, and what is needed on the menu for us to have a good chance of winning in the AFCON. First, ingredient is physicality which Osimhen does not have. In terms of skill and technical ability there is no over all leader between them, the only attribute Osimhen has is speed i assume over him, i am not certain.

Let me give you something to ponder, if you put Onuachu and Osimhen in the very physical and intense English Championship who would have the advantage, do you think and or perform better We can extrapolate further and ask the question if Onuachu was in the Belgium league would he be among the top 5 top 10 or simply not be good enough What do you think

Celtic is in the Scottish league rated 20 in Europe but they are regularly able to sell thier players to the best top level clubs in Europe. So although Celtic is in a low level league the club it as a club is not so low. With the same principle in mind, consider the lowly pedigree of Danish Superliga and the performances in Europe of FC Midtjylland compared to the much higher placed Belguim league and Charleroi, which then is the better club


Just to get you to think with a bit more depth, FC Midtjylland is ranked a very lowly 75 among the top 100 clubs in Europe , however, Charleroi does not even make the list. However, these ratings are far from conclusive they don't reflect the here and now but past glories over the past 5 years plus. At best indicative and food for thought.


As it stands in conclusion, for the purposes of AFCON and the team managers strategy Onuachu brings far more to the table.

OMANBALA1:


Of course, we were danm lucky to beat Cameroon....lol. Any tactical sound coach like the South African coach can read Rohr so easily. The team has no rythm no telepathy just random movement of the ball till a chance is mistakenly created. Our progress does not correlate with our play.

I am just waiting for Rohr dismissal...you cant give what you dont have....end of road.

So South African coach is now tactically sound loll.
A team that didn't score a single goal from open play throughout the group stages.
These carpenter analyst self.

well said bro

komekn:


You have brought two separate issues into this discourse.

I will go back to my proposition adage which I have stated time and time again, i will remind you. "It is better to be a Lion in a lower league and club than anonymous mouse in a bigger league and club"

Both players have earned their call up to the SE, more of a reflection of lack of quality strikers in the SE comparative to years gone past than actual outstanding ability.

However, Onuachu has been consistent for near 5 seasons of professional football in the Danish league playing for arguably their best team FC Midtjylland, he has been if you like their "Star Boy" ended up in the top 5 goal scorers in the league. In comparison Osimhen has had his first full season of competitive first team football and ended up in the top 10 scorers in Belgium league.


It is superficial subjectivity to assume that because Osimhen plays in the Belgium league he is therefore better than Onuachu it is not so simplistic.

But first of all irrespective of league or club what can they bring to the table, and what is needed on the menu for us to have a good chance of winning in the AFCON. First, ingredient is physicality which Osimhen does not have. In terms of skill and technical ability there is no over all leader between them, the only attribute Osimhen has is speed i assume over him, i am not certain.

Let me give you something to ponder, if you put Onuachu and Osimhen in the very physical and intense English Championship who would have the advantage, do you think and or perform better We can extrapolate further and ask the question if Onuachu was in the Belgium league would he be among the top 5 top 10 or simply not be good enough What do you think

Celtic is in the Scottish league rated 20 in Europe but they are regularly able to sell thier players to the best top level clubs in Europe. So although Celtic is in a low level league the club it as a club is not so low. With the same principle in mind, consider the lowly pedigree of Danish Superliga and the performances in Europe of FC Midtjylland compared to the much higher placed Belguim league and Charleroi, which then is the better club


Just to get you to think with a bit more depth, FC Midtjylland is ranked a very lowly 75 among the top 100 clubs in Europe , however, Charleroi does not even make the list. However, these ratings are far from conclusive they don't reflect the here and now but past glories over the past 5 years plus. At best indicative and food for thought.


As it stands in conclusion, for the purposes of AFCON and the team managers strategy Onuachu brings far more to the table.

leave person wey no sabi football

Marjoribanks:

So South African coach is now tactically sound loll.
A team that didn't score a single goal from open play throughout the group stages.
These carpenter analyst self.

timay:

no mind them na

I just dey take corner eye to look at people saying keshi is better because he won Afcon.

Lemme give them another fact.

Do they even know that if Keshi was our coach,we won't even know the likes of Iwobi, Chukwueze, Aina , even their darling Osimhen and Onyekuru.

That is because keshi won't invite them, giving us different mumu excuse. Chukwueze that just played his first professional football won't even get into the provisional list sef, giving us reason that the guy does not have senior team football experience , or he's too young for African football, Chukwueze might have ended up with the U20.

he will only invite his goons from Kano pillar and co.

Keshi was just lucky during is time as SE coach. I feel like crying whenever I look back at our 2014 World Cup bench. Imagine player like uchebo, Ruben Gabriel,uzoenyi,agbim,nwafor wen we have ik Uche,martins, taiwo,ideye,Joel boi in top form

Earthquake2:


This may be a blessing in disguise Aina has concentration issues and Collins is a better defender

We need to be on our toes against SA wingers

Where, When , How substantiate your position otherwise you are being blatantly prejudiced

OMANBALA1:


Ola Aina cant displace Awaziem now. Aina has improved but I am not completely sold. Chidozie Awaziem,on the other hand have remain composed and steadily gaining confidence.

Aina is good at RB as he is at LB...If Collins is going to start against South Africa,aina should take over the RB role abeg.. Awazeim has been impressive at RB no doubt but that's not his main position..
Let's stop this habit of using players out of position please...That was how Shehu started well at RB until we grew tired of him and started insulting him...

Against tomorrow game, it's only SE that can win SE. Once SE didn't press the destructive button like they did against Madagascar. So fear not Naija fans.
Rohr today had a compliment of all 23 players. So he is spoilt for choice in tomorrow's game.
I am still not sold out on Ome/Ekong combo. Ekong is not a good passer of the ball. Balo is a better option if we must build from the back.
Ekong/Omeruo most times gets confused on who moves & who stays. If they must play tomorrow, they must be communicating steadily.

Marjoribanks:

So South African coach is now tactically sound loll.
A team that didn't score a single goal from open play throughout the group stages.
These carpenter analyst self.

A lot of people no like Rohr, they just want to see him fail. That's long and short of the story

OMANBALA1:


Of course, we were danm lucky to beat Cameroon....lol. Any tactical sound coach like the South African coach can read Rohr so easily. The team has no rythm no telepathy just random movement of the ball till a chance is mistakenly created. Our progress does not correlate with our play.

I am just waiting for Rohr dismissal...you cant give what you dont have....end of road.

any tactical sound coach like South African coach hak hak hak, I haven't read so much crap today....south Africa coach tactical sound, abeg swerve..

OMANBALA1:



I once said Iwobi is a poor impression of an attacking midfielder..

Nigga is so confused and lost most times....Iwobi on GWG is a sorry site. Nigga is poorer that poor on the field.

and can you ease up on the bashing please...this same poor iwobi scored the winning goal against the defending champion...im sure semid4life is eyeing you somehow somehow...

Sorry o but help us out here since you seems to know who late Keshi would not pick. Can you help us with the replacement to the names you dropped for late Keshi?

timay:

no mind them na

I just dey take corner eye to look at people saying keshi is better because he won Afcon.

Lemme give them another fact.

Do they even know that if Keshi was our coach,we won't even know the likes of Iwobi, Chukwueze, Aina , even their darling Osimhen and Onyekuru.

That is because keshi won't invite them, giving us different mumu excuse. Chukwueze that just played his first professional football won't even get into the provisional list sef, giving us reason that the guy does not have senior team football experience , or he's too young for African football, Chukwueze might have ended up with the U20.

he will only invite his goons from Kano pillar and co.

Starboytwo:
any tactical sound coach like South African coach hak hak hak, I haven't read so much crap today....south Africa coach tactical sound, abeg swerve..and can you ease up on the bashing please...this same poor iwobi scored the winning goal against the defending champion...im sure semid4life is eyeing you somehow somehow...

You know, some people are crazy like that,
SA that couldn't even beat Namibia without penalty , the coach is now tactically sound all of a sudden.

them never born you when keshi was the teams head coach? chuwkueze and co would have been replaced with player from lobi stars,el kanemi warriors, mfm fc,enyimba,rivers united, calabar rovers, blue tigers of mbaise etc.

keshi who allowed a 2 tier 9ja league player make the teams bench against chad in an afcon qualifier in kaduna not only that gave him the number 10 shirt hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

somehow:
Sorry o but help us out here since you seems to know who late Keshi would not pick. Can you help us with the replacement to the names you dropped for late Keshi?

edi287:

Lol haba why na? He can calm things down in the second half. He surely would be pumped up for this game if he plays a role.

You are on your own on this o

ChrisKels:
The new coach of Turkish giants, Istanbul Basaksehir, mandates his new club to recruit Awaziem either permanently or on loan, but they will have to battle it out with Awaziem's former loan side Nantes who are desperate to have him back on a permanent basis.


Recall that Awaziem and Okechukwu were the main heroes as Rizespor escaped relegation under the tutelage of this same coach this past season, and they have already signed Okechukwu on loan from pyramid as they prepare for next seasons UEFA champs league

Awazeim shouldn't dull himself o...He should follow Aina and Omeruo footstep and cut ties with Porto...He don't lack offers if he does...though I think he signed a new contract this year....

Goke7:


You are on your own on this o

charlesemeka85:
them never born you when keshi was the teams head coach? chuwkueze and co would have been replaced with player from lobi stars,el kanemi warriors, mfm fc,enyimba,rivers united, calabar rovers, blue tigers of mbaise etc.

keshi who allowed a 2 tier 9ja league player make the teams bench against chad in an afcon qualifier in kaduna not only that gave him the number 10 shirt hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

yes sir, I wasn't born then, so can you help him with the names?

OMANBALA1:


Of course, we were danm lucky to beat Cameroon....lol. Any tactical sound coach like the South African coach can read Rohr so easily. The team has no rythm no telepathy just random movement of the ball till a chance is mistakenly created. Our progress does not correlate with our play.

I am just waiting for Rohr dismissal...you cant give what you dont have....end of road.

Rohr may be tactically clueless but we weren't lucky to beat Cameroon... we beat them cus we were better.... they came at us with so much arrogance and we made them pay..
the better team always win in football..

If u would attribute our win against Cameroon to luck,then what would u say about our victory over ivory coast in 2013?

timay:

no mind them na

I just dey take corner eye to look at people saying keshi is better because he won Afcon.

Lemme give them another fact.

Do they even know that if Keshi was our coach,we won't even know the likes of Iwobi, Chukwueze, Aina , even their darling Osimhen and Onyekuru.

That is because keshi won't invite them, giving us different mumu excuse. Chukwueze that just played his first professional football won't even get into the provisional list sef, giving us reason that the guy does not have senior team football experience , or he's too young for African football, Chukwueze might have ended up with the U20.

he will only invite his goons from Kano pillar and co.

It's unethical to speak ill about the dead. This is wrong. The man is a national hero whether you like it or not. Let rohr even equal his record first before we compare

alot of pple dont know the politics behind the scene in our football. till date i will take the only positives from buhari emerging as the president of this country was keshi's sack.

Keshi was a mafia and had strong backup politically right from the presidency to the army. keshi almost turned the super eagles to his private venture and all this started after the afcon triumph. pinnick was the guy who only had the guts to sack keshi when he came in as the nff supremo and made the attempt immediately but was seriously warned by the presidency and other top political stalwarts. keshi knew his game was over when jonathan lost and buhari came, if you guys were observant it didn't take up to a month after buhari's swearing in that pinnick sacked keshi

peterd53:


That Keshi do us strong thing oo
In keshi voice. iheanacho is too young............martins is too old.......Uche is indiscipline.

He deny us the opportunity to see Osaze wen he was blazing hot in d epl. He took Mohamed gamboling to d confederation cup as our top striker and made us to believe that agbim is the best keeper in d country

Keshi invited Iheanacho for CHAN but he skipped it. He also gave Martins and Yak a chance but they didn't do well.
Uche was tactically in disciplined and I stopped blaming Keshi for not inviting him when it was revealed some of the coaching staff complained about it.
He still invited Osaze to the WC despite their little spat.
Gambo was playing well for Kano Pillars. If you support home based players getting an opportunity you can't complain about him inviting an in form home based player.
Keshi had his flaws no doubt but he should be appreciated a bit more seeing that he won AFCON and got us to the second round of the WC.

charlesemeka85:
Moses Simon has enjoyed the goodwill of coach of the Super Eagles Gernot Rohr despite the calls by many for exciting Villarreal youngster Samuel Chukwueze to start ahead of the Levante wing forward.

Simon have started two games since missing the first game and also played as a substitute in the 0-2 loss to Madagascar while Chukwueze since starting the first game against Burundi has played just twice as a substitutes against Guinea and Cameroon respectively.

A ‎ look at both players who are based in Spain will confirmed that they both offer contrasting style with Simon having the edge in helping out in defence while Chukwueze’s ability to glide past his markers in the final third stands him out.

However in games like the one against Cameroon, one expect the opponent to fight for the ball and deny the Nigerians space and such game require a player who can put in a defensive shift for the team as possession will be scarce and also space won’t be readily available for forward players to exploit.

To that effect Simon deserve to start ahead of Chukwueze as he helped in helping the team keep their shape defensively meaning Chidozie Awaziem didn’t have the issue of losing his man like Ola Aina who had to deal with two players running off him, no thanks to Ahmed Musa’s lack of discipline in tracking back.

Chukwueze was introduced when Cameroon were trying to hang on to their lead and decided to sit back and cede a lot of time and space to Nigeria as they defended deep in their half up until Nigeria scored the third goal.

The work ethics of Simon goes unnoticed but it’s worthy to note that he has created three goal scoring opportunities in the games he has played while Chukwueze has created just one. Simon also boast of one assist something that Chukwueze is yet to have.

In the Super Eagles next game against South Africa, the Bafana Bafana team will no doubt be less physical but very organized hence Chukwueze will likely get the nod to start with his ability to take his man out giving the Eagles a chance to disorganise the traditionally well organized South Africa team.

Worthy to note is that at Villarreal towards the end of last season with the team battling to stay in the Spanish top flight, Chukwueze was sparingly used in games the team need an outright win against direct rivals or mid table teams but started against Barcelona and Real Madrid, games which they are sure going to have space because of the attack minded set up of their illustrious opponents.

In contrast, Simon also started against Real Madrid and Barcelona and in both games he played as a wingback who tracked the runners for the opponent to deny them space to whip in balls to forward players in the box.

Overall, it’s a plus that the coach of Nigeria have two players who can offer him variation pending on the team he is playing against and system they want to play in decisive games.

Hmmm!

timay:
All these guys that are just making light of the efforts of the super Eagles, saying that SA is this, SA is that, as if SA is a Brazil that we don't know about.

If Egypt had taken their chances, I'm sure you won't be saying all this about SA.

If SA is that fantastic, why were they struggling in the group stage and they had to wait till the last day to qualify. for the next stage.

Like what is wrong with you people gan gan. what do you guys want?

Before the Cameroon game , people were saying, it is our first real test, we beat them, now you are saying SA is our first real test. The same SA that could have been down by 2 or 3 goals against Egypt, no thanks to the wasteful Trezeguet.

It seems a lot of people want to see the team fail, just because of Onyekuru and Osimhen issue with the coach

South Africa only play fancy football that can entertain a selected group of people here... They aren't a winning team...
It was the same kind of football they played during the WCQ but couldn't qualify... The same kind of football they played at the AFCONQ until they needed a last win against Libya to qualify...
The same football they played when we meet them last year in Jo'burg and they only managed one shot on target and got lucky due to the referee's stupidity...

I just dy look some people...

charlesemeka85:
alot of pple dont know the politics behind the scene in our football. till date i will take the only positives from buhari emerging as the president of this country was keshi's sack.

Keshi was a mafia and had strong backup politically right from the presidency to the army. keshi almost turned the super eagles to his private venture and all this started after the afcon triumph. pinnick was the guy who only had the guts to sack keshi when he came in as the nff supremo and made the attempt immediately but was seriously warned by the presidency and other top political stalwarts. keshi knew his game was over when jonathan lost and buhari came, if you guys were observant it didn't take up to a month after buhari's swearing in that pinnick sacked keshi

Abegi!! Pinnick is no damn saint too. Keshi would've left after the WC if not for Gov intervention. He would've also resigned after 2013 AFCON as well.

timay:
All these guys that are just making light of the efforts of the super Eagles, saying that SA is this, SA is that, as if SA is a Brazil that we don't know about.

If Egypt had taken their chances, I'm sure you won't be saying all this about SA.

If SA is that fantastic, why were they struggling in the group stage and they had to wait till the last day to qualify. for the next stage.

Like what is wrong with you people gan gan. what do you guys want?

Before the Cameroon game , people were saying, it is our first real test, we beat them, now you are saying SA is our first real test. The same SA that could have been down by 2 or 3 goals against Egypt, no thanks to the wasteful Trezeguet.

It seems a lot of people want to see the team fail, just because of Onyekuru and Osimhen issue with the coach

Maybe because we haven't beaten them in the last 5 outings??
Say what you want - they definitely deserved to win against Egypt. They had a game plan and executed it well.
They have somehow learnt how to play against big West African teams so they shouldn't be taken lightly.
If we had a proper midfield - I'd be a hundred percent confident of winning tomorrow but that midfield is a cause for concern.
Etebo - Ndidi will have to be on their A game tomorrow.

timay:


A lot of people no like Rohr, they just want to see him fail. That's long and short of the story

Not true, we are a great footballing nation and we deserve better results, that is the grouse folks have with rohr, In 2014 world cup we had an indigenous coach who qualified us and took us to the second round. We said he was not sound technically. We now carry oyinbo coach in 2018 and we were knocked out in first round, we are now trying to twist words that he is technically sound, are we truly improving?

timay:

no mind them na

I just dey take corner eye to look at people saying keshi is better because he won Afcon.

Lemme give them another fact.

Do they even know that if Keshi was our coach,we won't even know the likes of Iwobi, Chukwueze, Aina , even their darling Osimhen and Onyekuru.

That is because keshi won't invite them, giving us different mumu excuse. Chukwueze that just played his first professional football won't even get into the provisional list sef, giving us reason that the guy does not have senior team football experience , or he's too young for African football, Chukwueze might have ended up with the U20.

he will only invite his goons from Kano pillar and co.

Poor players selection was Keshi's biggest undoing......
He stuck with carpenters like Agbim and that lazy Azubuike Egwueke for too long... alongside that stupid Gambo Mohammed..

peterd53:


Keshi was just lucky during is time as SE coach. I feel like crying whenever I look back at our 2014 World Cup bench. Imagine player like uchebo, Ruben Gabriel,uzoenyi,agbim,nwafor wen we have ik Uche,martins, taiwo,ideye,Joel boi in top form

The bench was an eyesore

oga you lied, keshi gave iheanacho conditions to sign with his management team before will grant him a chance in the chan team.

martins was doing very well in laliga and continued with the same form when he moved to the mls but was only invited once in a game the team performed poorly.

odemwingie was in top form in 2013 but was snubbed by keshi citing indiscipline, same goes to taiye taiwo who was a mainstay in dynamo kiev that had haruna lukman and brown ideye.

what about the case of inform youngster imoh ezekiel?

do you know keshi almost dropped yobo and odemwingie from the 2014 worldcup list if not for the intervention of the then nff chairman?

why did an inform sone aluko who was hot in the colors of glasgow rangers in scotland prior to the 2013 afcon but wasn't given a chance?

at the time haruna lukman was a regular and aside mikel,onazi and i will say to an extend igiebor was the most inform nigerian midfielder in europe but was never given a chance by keshi.

what about john chibuike who was doing very well for norwagian giants rosenborg as of the time?

edi287:

Keshi invited Iheanacho for CHAN but he skipped it. He also gave Martins and Yak a chance but they didn't do well.
Uche was tactically in disciplined and I stopped blaming Keshi for not inviting him when it was revealed some of the coaching staff complained about it.
He still invited Osaze to the WC despite their little spat.
Gambo was playing well for Kano Pillars. If you support home based players getting an opportunity you can't complain about him inviting an in form home based player.
Keshi had his flaws no doubt but he should be appreciated a bit more seeing that he won AFCON and got us to the second round of the WC.

hahahahahahahahahaha which keshi would have left, he threatened to leave hoping that SA would come for him but was disappointed when there were no offers on the table

edi287:

Abegi!! Pinnick is no damn saint too. Keshi would've left after the WC if not for Gov intervention. He would've also resigned after 2013 AFCON as well.