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| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 8:57pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:Please don't call him Pastor because he is not in tune with the scriptures! Any sincere individuals will know that at death all the sins of anyone is wiped out completely, except if such a person could get a resurrection due to the undeserved kindness of God! Where these Churchgoers got it all wrong is the understanding of Act 24:15 which says "there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous" Churchgoers thought God will resurrect everyone, but rather what Paul meant there shouldn't be understood from that angle otherwise he will be contradicting himself after saying "whoever died has been acquainted of his sins" Romans 6:7 and "the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23 So what did Paul meant there? According to God's word, there is a record of all those who have been declared righteous by their fine works {James 2:23} What of all those who had no direct dealings with the true God but lives as prisoners of conscience in false worship unknowingly? Surely God will give them the opportunity to know his righteous standards since they've displayed readiness to live by righteous principles, God will not condemn them as evildoers so they'll be resurrected as UNRIGHTEOUS descendants of Adam who knew nothing about God's righteous decrees!  2 Likes |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 8:58pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
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| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by TruthinAction: 9:30pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:Jesus did not preach about salvation? I can't believe you said that. You must be on high drugs. Then tell me what the following scripture means to you. Matthew 1: 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall SAVE his people from their sins. Notice the phrase - He shall save his people. Or what does your corrupted Version says? Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to SAVE that which was LOST. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be SAVED; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to SAVE them. And they went to another village Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be SAVED. John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to SAVE the world. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be SAVED. Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be SAVED and thy house. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto SALVATION to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS; of whom I am CHIEF. Please don't digress. Tell me after reading these Scriptures that Jesus did not come to save us. Otherwise, take each scripture one by one and explain what they mean. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by TruthinAction: 9:34pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Janosky:Are you saved? Do you believe in Jesus? Have you received him as your Lord and personal Saviour? That is all that matters now. Where is your destiny? Please answer these questions. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by rottennaija(op): 9:40pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Jessicha:If they are free from their sins after death, then why are they raised to judgement? Why are the righteous raised to eternal life and the wicked to judgment? |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by rottennaija(op): 9:48pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
TruthinAction:There is something you should understand about JWs, they mind works differently from other people, especially Christians. They reason different. The scriptures you have listed directly deals with salvation and Jesus message about it. However, to them, it makes no sense because they have a different type of gospel. They believe this thing called universal sovereignty, their leaders tell that it's even more important than the salvation message the Bible contains. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by rottennaija(op): 9:56pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:Lol TATIME:Are you too done mastubating with each other? Some you sit down here to know what Paul mean or is it the meaning given by Watchtower you claim to know? |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 10:41pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
TruthinAction:What is the topic of Jesus' message, Salvation or God's Kingdom?  Well your Pastors are to blame because they focused on the finger when the teacher was pointing to the moon! Of course Salvation is achievable but the means to Salvation must first be addressed which is God's Kingdom! Note that Daniel mentioned it 2:44! That's why Jehovah's Witnesses organization is the one and only group well organized throughout the globe! We know the TOPIC of Jesus' preaching and teaching which is the Kingdom of God {God's government} therefore all those who truthfully acknowledge God as King joins the organization wholesouled {John 17:20-23} whereas all of you are dragging issues with one another after missing the topic of message God's son brought! John 10:12  2 Likes |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by TruthinAction: 10:55pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:How can you be part of the kingdom of God when you are not saved? Matthew 7: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.. And what is the will of the Father? John 3:15-18 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. So, have you believed in Jesus? No Jesus, no salvation and no entrance into God's kingdom. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 11:07pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
TruthinAction:I thought you'll quote where the Bible say Salvation is what i need to enter God's Kingdom!  Well it's your Pastor's fault not yours. You can never gain Salvation without first becoming a subject of God's Kingdom! All the first century Christians were loyally submissive to the rules set by the Apostles because they know that these twelve are the foundation stones of that Kingdom! It's ONLY when you're submissive to their {Apostle's} orders that the shepherd {Jesus} acknowledges you for Salvation! For your information, that's why Zephaniah said seek righteousness, seek MEEEKNESS! Zephaniah 2:2-3 1 Like |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by TruthinAction: 11:15pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:It seems there is no hope for you if you can't understand the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus. Romans 1:16 says that the gospel is the the power of God for salvation. When you receive the good news, you are saved and then and only then you can become part of God's kingdom. Please try and have a little sense. If you stick to your confused doctrine, you will end up in burning hell. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Jozzy4: 11:17pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Firstly, you should have replied the earlier post instead of running around . rottennaija:Romans 6:23 wages of sin is death, But the Gift of God is everlasting life. Raising them is the chance given all to Get the gift, by proving their loyalty then why are they raised to judgement? Why are the righteous raised to eternal life and the wicked to judgment?It didn't say wicked ( subjects of Gehenna), the expression is " Unrighteous " ( Act 24:15) referring to those who did bad ignorantly . Their been raised is the opportunity given them to repent and put faith in Christ. Judgement as good or bad occurs due to CONDUCTS EXHIBITED after ressurection During this moment, The Bible said inhabitants of the earth will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS, definitely like Jessicha pointed out, some formerly unrighteous ones would have turn to doing good and gained LIFE , Did they eat Jesus flesh to gain this ? |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Jozzy4: 11:28pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Jessicha:His delusion is very strong that he didn't know he has already relegated Jesus ability to save to only the people of his time , those before him Never needed him . You could imagine |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 11:40pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
TruthinAction:That's all you're taught to say "come and pay homage to our Pastor or you will BURN in HELL" I thought you're said i'm on high drug? Now drug addict are not supposed to burn in hell! You only need to humble yourself, learn how to preach and teach effectively, we know all of you are envious of JW's efficacy. As for what you're trying to do here, that's not how Jesus laid it down, he went out to search for the sheep NOT sitting down in one place expecting to achieve something worthwhile Sir! If you think Jehovah's Witnesses are going to hell fire, go and preach to those who will understand your so called Salvation. There's no way your childish play can make any impression on Jehovah's Witnesses. You can see good, nice and peace-loving individuals amongst Jehovah's witnesses, no be mistake o nah because good things attracts good people! Matthew 7:15-20 So go out there and search for worshippers to worship your Pastors NOT Jehovah's Witnesses. Goodbye! |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 8:25am On Jul 26, 2019 |
Maximus69:Because you're not coming to our Church, God will torment inside Hell and Fire plus Hellfire plus Lakessssss of Firesssss! |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 9:19am On Jul 26, 2019 |
All these punishment simply because someone disagreed with your Pastor!  TATIME: |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by TruthinAction: 10:09am On Jul 26, 2019 |
Maximus69:The very name of your organization betrays God's word. You are supposed to be Jesus witness and not Jehovah's witness. You can only witness for what you have seen. No one has seen Jehovah but Jesus was seen and he is the express image of Jehovah. Jesus told his disciples in Acts 1:8 that they will be his witness after they receive the Holy Spirit baptism. Read the book of Acts, every evangelical message is centered on Christ. But you feel you have direct access to God without Jesus. Jesus is the mediator between God and man and there is no way you claim you know the father when you do not acknowledge Jesus. Please run away from this evil group and save your life. You just twist the Scripture to suit your opinions. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 10:45am On Jul 26, 2019 |
TruthinAction:And with all these your head knowledge, all of you can't unite as one happy global family of peace-loving worshippers like Jehovah's Witnesses? John 17:20-23 Nah wah o! |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by rottennaija(op): 11:12am On Jul 26, 2019 |
Jozzy4:In 1 Co 11:27 - 30, the apostle Paul warned the Christian Congregation against partaking of the communion of our lord unworthily. The consequences was that those who partook it unworthily was sinning against the body and blood of Jesus. As a result, they drank and ate judgement for themselves, resulting in some being sick, some dying. He thereafter warned each Christian in verse 31 to first of all examine themselves, so they don't bring judgment against themselves. He also instructed the church in verse 33 that they should wait for one another when gathering before eating. What was the meaning of taking the communion unworthily? Why were they unworthy? It simply means taking the communion in a manner that was not worthy. It is an established fact that the heavenly calling began in the 1st century, that true Christians in the first century all had the heavenly calling, were anointed with holy spirit and were sons of God. ( afact the watchtower accepts and believes) So since this is so, why then did the apostle Paul warned against partaking of the emblems unworthily? The apostle had finished giving counsel on praying, prophesying, head covering, the authority of a man over his wife etc. Turning his attention to another issue of importance, he wrote “But now when I mention this next issue, I cannot praise you. For it sounds as if more harm than good is done when you meet together” (I Co 11:17 - New Living Translation) He mentioned contentions and division among them when they meet together. He mentioned some getting drunk while others go hungry. He asked in verse 22 “Do you not have houses for eating and drinking? Or do you despise the congregation of God and make those who have nothing feel ashamed? What can I say to you? Should I commend you? In this I do not commend you.” Then he spoke of the emblem, representing the body and blood of Christ. In verse 26, he said “For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes”. The apostle relates the Lord’s super to the sacrifice of Christ and then says to examine one’s self in verse 28. “First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup. [examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup - NLT]” The problem here was in the attitude the Corinthian Christians. The apostle is telling them to examine their motives, take care that there is no dissension among them, to take emblems solemnly, understanding its full significance. Concerning their attitude, the apostle had earlier warned of some getting drunk with the wine and others going hungry. He also instructed them “when you come together to eat it, wait for one another.” (Verses 22, 33) From the instruction to “wait for one another” it is evident that some were taking either the bread or wine, they deprive others of such opportunity. It was their attitude towards the solemn occasion that mattered. Some were not showing full appreciation for it while others saw it as an opportunity to indulge themselves. They simply did not ‘discern the body’, they simply saw that as just another occasion to eat and drink. They were eating and drinking judgement to themselves. With such attitude towards the blood and flesh of our Lord, they were not showing respect for Christ. It was an unworthy attitude for them to involve in self-indulgence, be gluttonous and drunk for such a solemn occasion. It’s also possible the partaking did not include both elements (the bread and the wine) as Christ had commanded that both be taken. In any case, it showed contempt, a serious disregard or a disrespect of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus to partake the emblems in such an improper way. (Please see The Watchtower March 15, 2003, page 18 par. 3) |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Jozzy4: 12:12pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
rottennaija:From where did u get this copy and paste ? U totally missed the mark . coming |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Jozzy4: 12:19pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
TruthinAction:Jehovah's witnesses acknowledge Jesus. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Jozzy4: 12:56pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
Let me repeat the Fact that 1. You haven't gave a valid reason why those who lived in the past never ate this bread and wine IF its essential for everlasting life . your time difference theory only QUESTION the validity of Jesus claim to be the second Adam that gives eternal life, if his coming ONLY Affect people of his era . 2. You again, haven't respond soundly to the fact that despite Jesus institute the Memorial, we Stoll find a Man that same day who gained Life promise from Jesus without eating bread and wine , Your Exception theory contradict Jesus statmenent that " UNLESS YOU Eat " . who are the YOU ? How then can the man be an exception ? Is Jesus lying ? 3. You again failed to respond to @Jessicha's point that during the 1000 years of Christ reign, some unrighteous people would turn to doing good and gain Life, Did they ate the bread and wine ? No . Now My focus is the below . rottennaija:If it result to death and sickness , How then can you reconcile it with the below ? 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. What Jesus OFFER doesn't LEAD to Death. To address the they ate it unworthy : Don't forget that Jesus contrasted this flesh of his with Manna . Did people died from eating Manna ? Even when some people disobey some instruction guiding it, NO One died from eating it.  Is Manna now better than Jesus flesh ? What was the meaning of taking the communion unworthily? Why were they unworthy?Attitude ? Christ said and I quote " “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you khave no life in you. 54 [u] Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life , and mI will raise him up on the last day. " From where did you see attitude here ? He state " Whoever FEED " . whoever . This is what happen when you try to merge to events that are different. Even the Manna known also as Bread from heaven didn't kill anyone because of attitude . Is Manna better than Christ body ? ? 1 Like |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Janosky: 1:03pm On Jul 26, 2019*. Modified: 1:26pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
TruthinAction:Half truths and LIEs in action. **1). Jesus acknowledges his Father's name (YHWH) which he made known. John17:6,26.. **2) Have you ever seen Jesus whom you claim to witness for? **3). Mark1:14,15, Luke 8:1, Whom did Jesus Christ witness for? $4) Whom did Jesus command you to witness for? Matt 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" **John 9:3,4 3 Jesus answered, “... .. 4 While it is daytime, we must do the works of Him who sent Me. Night is coming, when no one can work." ***Acts 8:12 "But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." **5) JWs believe in Jesus Christ even more than you.... https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/believe-in-jesus/ |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by rottennaija(op): 2:56pm On Jul 26, 2019*. Modified: 4:28pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
Jozzy4:You should understand that I seek not your approval, contributions, input or recommendations for my response or post I make. It makes no difference to me, it never did and never will. What I have to write! I write, what I have to post, I post and what I have to respond, I respond. You ask me questions, I research and respond. I ask you questions, you choose to ignore it, I'm fine with it for I already know the answer. I impact knowledge to you. I have been where you are, believe what you believe and know more than you do. Then I realize they were useless, then I threw everything away for the sake of the excelling value of the good news. You call me names, say I'm naive, lost, delusional, it's all part of what my have has experienced in the past 2 years plus. But it makes me stronger, better, smarter, for in all these, I learn vital truth about everything. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Jozzy4: 5:32pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
rottennaija:U are getting emotional with this useless pride, its not needed. Just deal with the main point |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by rottennaija(op): 5:36pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
Jozzy4:Useless pride, emotional, delusional, whatever, it changes nothing. I seek no approval from you in whatever I post. |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Nobody: 5:46pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
rottennaija:Please don't mind this Jozzy4 of a person, he's one of Jehovah's Witnesses. So keep doing the good works, there are intelligent beings {humans and spirit} that really appreciate your effort for exposing false religion today! |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by achorladey: 10:36pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
rottennaija:I was wondering what part of the questions raised so far you have not responded to that made some feel you are deluded and arrogant. PERHAPS they are READING more into "UNLESS YOU EAT" CONUNDRUM brought into the discussion. Still that has equally been responded to as well. 1 Like |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Jozzy4: 11:27pm On Jul 26, 2019 |
achorladey:A sound person would have attended to the points raised or clarify what's the more they are reading into it . Rather than throwing Tantrum's |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Janosky: 12:28am On Jul 27, 2019 |
TruthinAction:What is the gospel? Are you preaching the gospel that Jesus Christ preached? Study prayerfully Jesus words of Matt24:14 , Mark 13:10 & Luke8:1. Acts8:12. 1 Like |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by Janosky: 12:29am On Jul 27, 2019 |
TruthinAction:What is the gospel? Are you preaching the gospel that Jesus Christ preached? Study prayerfully Jesus words of John9:4, Matt24:14 , Mark 13:10. John9:4. John7:16 & Luke8:1. Acts8:12. It's time you receive sense... 1 Like |
| Re: What Does Being A Jehovah Witness Entail? And Is There A Place I Can Read About by TruthinAction: 1:33pm On Jul 27, 2019 |
Janosky:The gospel simply means good news. Our Lord Jesus preached the good news of God's kingdom that is to come. But after he died and rose, the gospel is no longer about the coming of God's kingdom. The gospel is that he died for our sins and rose again to justify us. So anyone who believes will have eternal life and becomes part of God's kingdom. The kingdom has already come but to be part of it, you have to receive Jesus into your life as your Lord and personal Saviour. The Apostles preached Christ and not God's kingdom because the kingdom has already come. See the references below to buttress my points. Acts 9:20 And straightway he (Apostle Paul) PREACHED CHRIST in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and PREACHED CHRIST unto them. Philippians 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, CHRIST IS PREACHED; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. So the gospel today is all about Jesus. How he died for our sins and rose again to justify us. |
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