You have the chance during the election time to call them to order. Not now when we should all get ourselves together and support the APC. Protest is okay . Not revolution.

iwantolive:
This is not about Ibos or yoruba..this is about Nigeria,is about calling our politicians to order.Do you like this Nigeria of today?

bewla:
was arm use in SUDAN before the government was overtrone

In Sudan it was the military that overthrew the president and not the protesters

BigBashiru:


The black race is cursed!! So in ur eyes buhari is good and Sowore is bad. The black race is cursed. I repeat the black race is cursed!

I thank God the almighty am not black.
I did not say Sowore is bad, but he's turning to worst.
Buhari is good and gentle. But unfortunately surrounded by bad people.

Rainbow219:


I thank God the almighty am not black.
I did not say Sowore is bad, but he's turning to worst.
Buhari is good and gentle. But unfortunately surrounded by bad people.

D bad people that u say surround buhari, pls who are they and who put them around buhari?

lexy2014:


Let me begin by quoting JFK when he said that "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Which means that there are two types of revolution, violent and nonviolent. What happened in Sudan this year which led to d fall of d Omar al-Bashir govt,wasn't a violent revolution. D only violence recorded was that meted out to protesters by security agencies. Same can b said of d Arab spring particularly in Egypt which was called a "social media revolution". So ur definition that revolution is "forceful takeover/overthrow", isnt universal& doesnt apply in all cases.

D whole idea behind revolution isn't always necessarily "violent takeover", but institutional changes that will result in better living 4d people. When a govt responds poorly to these ideals, it then gets messy, hence d quote from JFK.

So according 2u, d Shiites were protesting because a court order had been given 4 their leader to b released. That means, they were well within their rights to PROTEST. D keyword here is PROTEST which u said Sowore should have used instead of revolution. So if d Shiites according 2u protested, y then did d govt clamp down on them? So am not too sure about d mission u say d Shiites fulfilled and how that corroborates ur view on how not to use d word "revolution".

U said:

"Well educated: What I meant by that is still the use of that word. To fight a Govt involves being tactical. Words are vehicles. Before a fight words must have been sent beforehand. So words in this case, are vehicles."

When tuface tried to organise a protest against this govt some time ago, what words did he use? What are d ideal words u can use to fight govt?


U said:

"Warriors: Sowore is aged in struggles from school days to MKO, till date. His online portal is more of comradeship conveying. So he's a warrior. And commoners are people who are not as exposed as he's(arbitrary pls; commoners and warriors are relative in this case and not all round defined)"

So how does this explain ur comment that "Warriors don't fight like commoners"?

No doubt you know exactly what you are saying. But contrastly, you actually were repeating me in the case of Shiites.

Whenever it is not a FORCEFUL takeover then it is never a REVOLUTION. No where in history where revolution took place that it won't be a FORCEFUL takeover from Ghana, to South Sudan to Netherland to Egypt to mention but a few.

As aforementioned, in relation with what I wrote earlier, Shiite never mentioned REVOLUTION but it became bloody thus makes their motive, IF they wished for it to be bloody, come through. That's why I said as a liberator, you hide your secret to your enemies.

Using the word PROTEST doesn't mean it can't get to a REVOLUTION but the word must be silent. In a country where you have so many intellectuals one tends to thread with diplomacy so a hunter doesn't become a haunted.

Let's borrow from MAHATMA GHANDI OF India who organised a million match to the govt house then to to India River and warned everyone never to become canterkerous or fight. This vehicle he used to claim this country back from English people. 'He said even if they shoot you don't fight' open quote; "an eye for an eye will only the everyone become blind" quote Close .That's an example of a contest... Not all can be like that. We can borrow some from him(Ghandi) then have our own hidden revolt system to use appropriately


Confrontation doesn't solve any problem. Dialogues can to some extent. REVOLUTION is a confrontational word. Dialogue is a PROTESTING word..


Note*** If you read my first post, i said even if SOWORE had used the world protest he might have been still arrested. But that's narrow. If by a means of the word, he is not arrested his REVOLUTION plan would have been propagated easily IF that's his true plan.

Warriors are leaders of every fight and they most times return from wars. When a warrior reveals his plan, then hes subjected himself to the hands of the opponents.

How do you reveal your plan? It goes by way of your utterances(WORD,STATEMENTS) Etcetera...

Afamsi:
Unfortunately other tribes are just seeing what Igbos saw 4 years ago. Igbo amaka

That's not true, yeebos saw the results of wanting to secede & declare a Republic & that's not the case with other tribes so stop lieing.

lexy2014:


Which word did d Shiites use? Which word did tuface use when he was planning something similar?

I can't remember vividly the word tuface used but all of us can remember the protest never happened and it wasn't under this present administration. He didn't even use a word like REVOLUTION yet they stopped him and didn't let the protest happen. Shiite is different because they are protesting for the release of there leader in which the court already granted him bail and the President was still holding him back. See am not in support of this present administration but we can see the truth and try to shy away from it. No country or sitting president will allow people to gather around and do a REVOLUTION against his government. He should have used a word like protesting for the security of every common Nigeria or Life of every Nigerian count. My own view anyway.

WiLdFLame:
You have the chance during the election time to call them to order. Not now when we should all get ourselves together and support the APC. Protest is okay . Not revolution.

How can you support a man who takes you for granted?He travels to Uk for medical related issues,has him done anything to better our health industry?He does not mean well for for us.The man is a hypocrite..

J111333:
Are Sowore and Eedris Igbos now? What concerns the Igbos with your revolution?
You people enthroned the disaster Buhari and the same you guys are planning a revolution against him but you're calling Igbos as if we the giant Tunde Bakare saw in his dream is already oppressing you. Enwe.

Have you checked the way busy body igbos have been masturbating on these topic.

izombie:
you had to drag igbos into this again. What concerns the igbos with this thread? Are igbos planning any protest or revolution now? I don't knlw why you people keep saying igbos hate buhari. Igbos do not hate buhari, we just know him for who he is and what he stands for. And so far, buhari's actions have justified the stand of igbos. Violence and death give buhari a hard on.
Enjoy your next level.

Gbam

WiLdFLame:
Only jobless and unpatriotic support this shits. No sane Yoruba is supporting Sowore. Because we don’t destroy. We build and negotiate. Now Sowore is being supported by the Ibos. Dem don hijack am because they hate buhari with passion. You igbos has always been making bad political decisions in the contemporary. If you Igbos wants revolution. Good and fine . Take it to southeast. Let the second Biafra war start and the little development there be destroyed. It's for the better of Southwest. Shebi una talk say una wan no wise ba. I don't know why the igbos hates Buhari much. When your kinsmen was there why una no Organise revolution. You all shouting revolution. Go and start with your family first. Then come back latter if you want it not .

So the Yorubas and hausas don't go to the same market as the ibos abi

Speak for yourself
Nobody said this is about Yoruba, Hausa or igbo
I find it hard to believe you are Yoruba
Cos any fulani herdsman can just claim yoruba
To put enemity between the two tribes
And that will benefit them

Stillthebest:



No doubt you know exactly what you are saying. But contrastly, you actually were repeating me in the case of Shiites.

Whenever it is not a FORCEFUL takeover then it is never a REVOLUTION. No where in history where revolution took place that it won't be a FORCEFUL takeover from Ghana, to South Sudan to Netherland to Egypt to mention but a few.

As aforementioned, in relation with what I wrote earlier, Shiite never mentioned REVOLUTION but it became bloody thus makes their motive, IF they wished for it to be bloody, come through. That's why I said as a liberator, you hide your secret to your enemies.

Using the word PROTEST doesn't mean it can't get to a REVOLUTION but the word must be silent. In a country where you have so many intellectuals one tends to thread with diplomacy so a hunter doesn't become a haunted.

Let's borrow from MAHATMA GHANDI OF India who organised a million match to the govt house then to to India River and warned everyone never to become canterkerous or fight. 'He said even if they shoot you don't fight' open quote; "an eye for an eye will only the everyone become blind" quote Close .


Confrontation doesn't solve any problem. Dialogues can to some extent. REVOLUTION is a confrontational word. Dialogue is a PROTESTING word..


Note*** If you read my first post, i said even if SOWORE had used the world protest he might have been still arrested. But that's narrow. If by a means of the word, he is not arrested his REVOLUTION plan would have been propagated easily IF that's his true plan.

Warriors are leaders of every fight and they most times return from wars. When a warrior reveals his plan, then hes subjected himself to the hands of the opponents.

How do you reveal your plan? It goes by way of your utterances(WORD,STATEMENTS) Etcetera...

I dont no what u mean by me "repeating u" in d Shiite case but understand this. According 2u, Sowore shouldn't have used d word "revolution" because 2u it connotes "violent takeover/overthrow". Based on this premise, I then asked u, what word did d Shiites use. U said they protested because a court order was given 4d release of their leader which d govt refused to obey. For u to now say because d protest turned violent now means their goal was "revolution", clearly contradicts ur statement that they were protesting 4d release of their leader. Did u ask urself how& y d protest turned violent?

I mentioned something earlier based on what u said which is that d Shiites were very well within their rights to protest. So if they protested which was within their rights, y then did d govt use maximum force on them resulting in d loss of d lives of several Shiite members? I then asked u since u say "revolution" shouldn't b used, which word did Tuface use when he had a protest planned against d govt? I also asked what are d ideal words u say people must use when they come up against govt? u couldn't answer that.

Also 4u to say that once it isn't violent then it isn't revolution, is highly untrue as u will b saying that d late JF Kennedy didn't no what he was saying when he said:

"Those who make PEACEFUL REVOLUTION impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Pls take note of d term "peaceful revolution". I doubt if u& I are more acquainted about revolution and governance than d late JF Kennedy. I also gave u instances of revolutions that took place in Sudan this year& that of Egypt that led to d fall of Hosni Mubarak during d Arab spring. They were nonviolent revolutions. U can also avail urself about d orange revolution that took place in Ukraine 2004, another nonviolent revolution.

Stillthebest:


Note*** If you read my first post, i said even if SOWORE had used the world protest he might have been still arrested.

Two things in this comment. One, it is a contradiction of what u have been saying that his use of d word "revolution" is d reason 4 his arrest.

Second, it sheds light on something which u are stylishly trying to avoid which is d fact that d choice of words isn't d issue but d lack of tolerance that this govt has 4 dissent that is d issue.

Am still struggling with ur warrior/commoner analogy. I don't c how what u said in comment about warriors explain this: "Warriors don't fight like commoners"...since u said Sowore is a warrior

gidgiddy:


Exactly, you allow people to protest then if the protest turns violent, then you can call in the Army to restore law and order.

This has nothing to do with overthrowing government. When Sowore was calling for a revolution, he said he wants people to come out and join him in protest against the direction Nigeria is heading. He never said anything about taking up arms or being violent.

Arresting Sowore because he mentioned the word 'revolution' would be tantamount to arresting people simply for talking.

Only somebody armed can overthrow a government. So if Sowore and his group are not armed and only want to on a protest which they call 'revolution', then arresting him is only because he talked.

We are in a democracy where people have freedom of speech. The authorities should not be arresting people for merely talking. That is very bad and takes us back to the days of the military where saying the wrong words could land one in jail

The fact that he was arrested because he mentioned revolution speaks volume.

Revolution is WAR against a government. He should have said protest and no one will mind. Calling for revolution publicly is a bad vibe. Now the government is on alert, and they understand its war, so dont blame them for trying to war early.

Revolution is not an easy thing. It means war. So why would someone call for war publicly. I am in full support of revolution, but we are not ready

gidgiddy:


You still dont get it. We are in a democracy. People should be allowed to say whatever they like. What matters is what people do. You cannot charge a person to court for 'talking'. If Sowore likes, he can protest that he wants Buhari to step down. If Sowore likes , he can protest that he wants Snow to fall in Lagos. The constitution has given him the right to protest for whatever reason. The constitution has also given him the right of free speech as long as what he says is not being used to commit crime. If the authorities have any evidence that Sowore wants to use the protest to fo something unlawful, then they should arrest and charge him to court

But if the authorities arrested him because he mentioned the word 'revolution' or that he said he wants 'bundle Buhari out of office' then this arresting a man for merely talking.

If governments start going after people for what they said, as opposed to what they do, then it is no longer democracy, it is dictatorship.

If you cannot understand all this and still insist that the government is right to go after Sowore because of the words he used then it means you dont understand democracy and how it works

You mean incitement is not a crime?

ZikZikZik:
To some of us it’s bigger than just Buhari. We want all these leaders eliminated, the real revolution has not started yet sef. The government won’t even get a notice when it starts.

6..be careful with your choice of words....not so long ago revolution leaders were getting arrested

gidgiddy:


You still dont get it. We are in a democracy. People should be allowed to say whatever they like. What matters is what people do. You cannot charge a person to court for 'talking'. If Sowore likes, he can protest that he wants Buhari to step down. If Sowore likes , he can protest that he wants Snow to fall in Lagos. The constitution has given him the right to protest for whatever reason. The constitution has also given him the right of free speech as long as what he says is not being used to commit crime. If the authorities have any evidence that Sowore wants to use the protest to fo something unlawful, then they should arrest and charge him to court

But if the authorities arrested him because he mentioned the word 'revolution' or that he said he wants 'bundle Buhari out of office' then this arresting a man for merely talking.

If governments start going after people for what they said, as opposed to what they do, then it is no longer democracy, it is dictatorship.

If you cannot understand all this and still insist that the government is right to go after Sowore because of the words he used then it means you dont understand democracy and how it works

ZON.Bs won't understand you

luluman:
That's not true, yeebos saw the results of wanting to secede & declare a Republic & that's not the case with other tribes so stop lieing.

Afoonjaaa you never see anything....you go see am

We warned you
Wise men from East warned you

bakescos01:


I can't remember vividly the word tuface used but all of us can remember the protest never happened and it wasn't under this present administration. He didn't even use a word like REVOLUTION yet they stopped him and didn't let the protest happen. Shiite is different because they are protesting for the release of there leader in which the court already granted him bail and the President was still holding him back. See am not in support of this present administration but we can see the truth and try to shy away from it. No country or sitting president will allow people to gather around and do a REVOLUTION against his government. He should have used a word like protesting for the security of every common Nigeria or Life of every Nigerian count. My own view anyway.

Bros Tuface called for a million man march against this particular govt which is d same thing as protest. Am glad u said

bakescos01:

He didn't even use a word like REVOLUTION yet they stopped him and didn't let the protest happen.

So d issue isn't about d word REVOLUTION because if it was and based on what u said, then Tufaces planned protest shouldn't have been stopped.

Then 2d Shiite issue u said

bakescos01:

Shiite is different because they are protesting for the release of there leader in which the court already granted him bail and the President was still holding him back.

Which means d Shiites were well within their rights to protest. And if that was d case, y were d police shooting live ammunition at them? If they didn't ask 4 revolution but 4d release of their leader, then y did d govt clamp down on them? So once again, is this about d choice of words or this govts intolerance for dissent and protests under any guise?

bakescos01:

back. See am not in support of this present administration but we can see the truth and try to shy away from it.

So based on d above, what is d truth? Arent u d one now shying away from d truth?

ElsonMorali:
Revolution is not something you plan openly. It's usually something that takes the leadership/government by surprise.

Exactly. The revolution is doomed the moment the government knows about it. I like sowore spirit and all, but he should know better.

WiLdFLame:
You have the chance during the election time to call them to order. Not now when we should all get ourselves together and support the APC. Protest is okay . Not revolution.

When tuface planned a protest against this govt, was it allowed? When d Shiites protested against d continued detention of their leader based on a subsisting court order, what was governments response? What support does this govt need to carry out its constitutional responsibilities when it already has d financial, human and material resources at its disposal? Has d govt shown leadership?

stdammis:


Exactly. The revolution is doomed the moment the government knows about it. I like sowore spirit and all, but he should know better.

You and me both.

It wasn't well thought out at all.

I like that he's got the energy and the drive and his antecedents speak for him, but nothing beats proper planning.

A revolution that will wipe out the "slave masters of Astapor" will take months and years to plan.

The guy was in a hurry. Even if the government had left him alone, it would have just been another street protest on the streets of Lagos. It won't even get to Ibadan, not to talk of Abuja.

Painting graffiti on side rails? Nah! That'll never do.

ElsonMorali:


You and me both.

It wasn't well thought out at all.

I like that he's got the energy and the drive and his antecedents speak for him, but nothing beats proper planning.

A revolution that will wipe out the "slave masters of Astapor" will take months and years to plan.

The guy was in a hurry. Even if the government had left him alone, it would have just been another street protest on the streets of Lagos. It won't even get to Ibadan, not to talk of Abuja.

Painting graffiti on side rails? Nah! That'll never do.

Yeah, that's why I was disappointed when he said revolution. I thought we finally got the soilder we longed for, with this now. I'm not even sure I'll follow the guy anymore.

I still think the problem is most people dont understand what revolution stands for. It is war!

gidgiddy:


That's like saying that all young boys should be shot because an armed robber first starts off as young boy, grows into a man, takes up arms and starts robbing people.

Should we kill all young boys because of the possibility that some of them could be armed robbers in the future? No, that would be very stupid. That's how stupid your argument is
Freedom of expression and protest is enshrined in section 39 of the Nigerian constitution. The authorities are bound by law to allow people to freely protest. If the protest turns violent, then the authorities can move in and arrest the violent protesters. That is how civilised countries act

What an idiotic analysis haba!!! Am so ashamed for u and the 200 plus moronic nairalanders that gave u likes... The young boys in ur reasoning were they protesting or giving signs that they were going to armed up one day and rob? Were they convening and threatening to take over our houses and put others occupants in them? U see what have befell u igbos? No more sense. The constructive reasoning have left ur lots and hatred and idiotic comments and posts have take center stages in ur brains albeit this kind of reasoning. We might as well kill all girls cos one day they will commit abortion. Did u see how stupid this sound? Yea that's how u sound. Igbos receive sense this minutes cos if fights for change of government with this kind of reasoning calamity will befall all us cos u will foolishly put a Satan to the seat of govt without realising.

Omeizadean:


What an idiotic analysis haba!!! Am so ashamed for u and the 200 plus moronic nairalanders that gave u likes... The young boys in ur reasoning were they protesting or giving signs that they were going to armed up one day and rob? Were they convening and threatening to take over our houses and put others occupants in them? U see what have befell u igbos? No more sense. The constructive reasoning have left ur lots and hatred and idiotic comments and posts have take center stages in ur brains albeit this kind of reasoning. We might as well kill all girls cos one day they will commit abortion. Did u see how stupid this sound? Yea that's how u sound. Igbos receive sense this minutes cos if fights for change of government with this kind of reasoning calamity will befall all us cos u will foolishly put a Satan to the seat of govt without realising.

Bro....i tire for that guy. I wasted my precious time on him. His analysis are so idiotic and silly. I wonder people wey dey like that comment. Na slowspokes like am sha

koboko69:


This is Sowere's exacts words


"I'm not talking of protest. I'm embarking on revolution. 85% of Nigerians are in support. Don't tell me about legal implications or what a Judge will say. I don't care. We must bundle Buhari out of that place...."


The clear definition of Revolution is clearly written up there...

Trying to water it down or use ur own narative to suit yiur personal opinions wouldnt change the facts or meaning of a revolution. Again no sane government will watch someone mobilize for a revolution against her government

Sir, do u watch any non NTA TV station?
if yes, u might have heard of Trump, and his Rivals, they've called him all they can, many have protested, called for his impeachment (bundle him out can also mean impeachment.) some dems have even called for secession.
Same in France, UK etc, but when it comes to Nigeria, u guys will always find good excuses for Buhari.

ifyboy60:


Sir, do u watch any non NTA TV station?
if yes, u might have heard of Trump, and his Rivals, they've called him all they can, many have protested, called for his impeachment (bundle him out can also mean impeachment.) some dems have even called for secession.
Same in France, UK etc, but when it comes to Nigeria, u guys will always find good excuses for Buhari.

How does this relate to this thread. In all ur rambling i did not see anyone call for revolution against the US government. There have also been several calls for Buhari's impeachment, PDP have attacked several times, we have seen FFK, RENO on the social media....have any of them been picked up. Make noise on the internet that u want to start a revolution protest in the states and see if CIA or FBI will not pick u up

gidgiddy:


You still dont get it. We are in a democracy. People should be allowed to say whatever they like. What matters is what people do. You cannot charge a person to court for 'talking'. If Sowore likes, he can protest that he wants Buhari to step down. If Sowore likes , he can protest that he wants Snow to fall in Lagos. The constitution has given him the right to protest for whatever reason. The constitution has also given him the right of free speech as long as what he says is not being used to commit crime. If the authorities have any evidence that Sowore wants to use the protest to fo something unlawful, then they should arrest and charge him to court

But if the authorities arrested him because he mentioned the word 'revolution' or that he said he wants 'bundle Buhari out of office' then this arresting a man for merely talking.

If governments start going after people for what they said, as opposed to what they do, then it is no longer democracy, it is dictatorship.

If you cannot understand all this and still insist that the government is right to go after Sowore because of the words he used then it means you dont understand democracy and how it works

Ibotic statement. Define 'SEDITION' and its punishment across the world.

iwantolive:
How can you support a man who takes you for granted?He travels to Uk for medical related issues,has him done anything to better our health industry?He does not mean well for for us.The man is a hypocrite..

did pdp build any hospital for 16yrs and buhari destroyed it 3yrs ago. Has buhari be admitted again since he came back on aug 30th 2017, that is a prove that our health sector has improved since 2017.

gidgiddy:



There is just one thing you are missing. It is not possible for unarmed people to overthrow a government.


Freedom to protest is very essential in a democracy, without it, it is no longer democracy you are practicing

I wonder why people keep interchanging Protest and Revolution when in fact they have 2 different meanings.

The organizers are promoting revolution, not protest.

You have every right to peacefully protest, but you don't have any rights under any constitution on the surface of the earth to stage a revolution and forcibly overthrow any government, especially a democratically elected government. It's sedition and a criminal offense.

You people need to stop playing bait and switch with words, we know the difference between protest and revolution.

lexy2014:


I dont no what u mean by me "repeating u" in d Shiite case but understand this. According 2u, Sowore shouldn't have used d word "revolution" because 2u it connotes "violent takeover/overthrow". Based on this premise, I then asked u, what word did d Shiites use. U said they protested because a court order was given 4d release of their leader which d govt refused to obey. For u to now say because d protest turned violent now means their goal was "revolution", clearly contradicts ur statement that they were protesting 4d release of their leader. Did u ask urself how& y d protest turned violent?

I mentioned something earlier based on what u said which is that d Shiites were very well within their rights to protest. So if they protested which was within their rights, y then did d govt use maximum force on them resulting in d loss of d lives of several Shiite members? I then asked u since u say "revolution" shouldn't b used, which word did Tuface use when he had a protest planned against d govt? I also asked what are d ideal words u say people must use when they come up against govt? u couldn't answer that.

Also 4u to say that once it isn't violent then it isn't revolution, is highly untrue as u will b saying that d late JF Kennedy didn't no what he was saying when he said:

"Those who make PEACEFUL REVOLUTION impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Pls take note of d term "peaceful revolution". I doubt if u& I are more acquainted about revolution and governance than d late JF Kennedy. I also gave u instances of revolutions that took place in Sudan this year& that of Egypt that led to d fall of Hosni Mubarak during d Arab spring. They were nonviolent revolutions. U can also avail urself about d orange revolution that took place in Ukraine 2004, another nonviolent revolution.



Two things in this comment. One, it is a contradiction of what u have been saying that his use of d word "revolution" is d reason 4 his arrest.

Second, it sheds light on something which u are stylishly trying to avoid which is d fact that d choice of words isn't d issue but d lack of tolerance that this govt has 4 dissent that is d issue.

Am still struggling with ur warrior/commoner analogy. I don't c how what u said in comment about warriors explain this: "Warriors don't fight like commoners"...since u said Sowore is a warrior

I wasn't contradicting myself. Words are never meant to be one way.

Then as to JF Kennedy, I wouldn't right him off neither would I accept his views in totality. They use the information at their disposal during their time to qualify and quantify events. That doesn't make them right all the time. That's why you see postulation in science being countered and corrected over time when there is an improvement and when there's a new scholar who can prove them wrong and make us believe in their own New theory.

So going by the definition of REVOLUTION in the dictionary, I had given my perfect insight and JF might not be correct or the dictionary we inherited from them isnt correct.

As to Shiites, I wasn't part of the protest and consequently, I wouldn't have known what brewed to cause the violence other than they got violent or the police got violent on them. One thing must lead to the other. And such is expected in a protest especially in Africa.

Repeatedly , I didn't claim Govt arrested Sowore because of the word REVOLUTION, only gave an insight on what more pragmatic words he should have used.

I had explained what warriors and commoners are!