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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by richie240: 8:48pm On Aug 04, 2019
ElsonMorali:
Revolution is not something you plan openly. It's usually something that takes the leadership/government by surprise.

SaintLucia:
So you never hear say armed robbers dey write letter and send it to some particular streets that we are coming to rob you? And you will see the people in that streets trying to do everything possible to prevent such risk, some people in that street may even leave their house for safety. My point Sowore is a fool. Go back and read where revolution has taken place. It has never happened in a Democratic state. U want to overthrow a legitimate government just because u lost election and want people to wear orange beret that carry your party logo.

the moment he started fraternizing with d lord of d southeast, I knew sense has departed from him......and he has proved me right. Very, very tactless

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Raskasal(m): 8:51pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:



There is just one thing you are missing. It is not possible for unarmed people to overthrow a government.


Freedom to protest is very essential in a democracy, without it, it is no longer democracy you are practicing


Revolution starts with protests from unarmed citizens. I hope you remember the case of Spain and one it's states years back. No government will sit and watch that thrive all in the name of democracy bro

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gidgiddy: 8:58pm On Aug 04, 2019
Raskasal:



Revolution starts with protests from unarmed citizens. I hope you remember the case of Spain and one it's states years back. No government will sit and watch that thrive all in the name of democracy bro

Then Nigerians like you should campaign to remove freedom of expression and protest from the constitution. Until that is done, it remains the constitutional of anybody to protest
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by SolexOlenin(m): 9:06pm On Aug 04, 2019
koboko69:
Revolution definition from 2 different dictionaries;

1. rev·o·lu·tion

a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system.

synonyms: rebellion, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, uprising, riot, rioting, rising, insurgence, insurgency, coup, overthrow, seizure of power, regime change;

2. : a sudden, radical, or complete change
a fundamental change in political organization

especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed

While I am strongly in support of freedom of speech and association, I really don't think any government in the world wouldn't act on organizers of a protest which have been widely publicised as a "REVOLUTION" protest.

In my PERSONAL opinion, a better adjective or word should have been used for the so called protest.

Occupy Nigeria is a good example
The 2 face 1 million march which he later called off is another.

Whats your take?

This is coming on the heels of the purported arrest of Sowere.

Oga, the arrest still doesn't worth it... It's only bringing shame to the current administration. I think I like it because it makes the world know who Nigeria leader is, a tyrant!
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by richie240: 9:16pm On Aug 04, 2019
Basher8583:


Have you checked the way busy body igbos have been masturbating on these topic.
lolz.....its no surprise. Can u imagine, d same sowore/Sahara reporters they hate with a passion.
Even if Satan turns against their 'enemies', they'll foolishly support Satan.
I taya 4 their mata.

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by luluman: 9:18pm On Aug 04, 2019
ariesbull:


Are we fighting with you or secceeding with you....you must be an imp I tell you ....
So why call other tribes names just because they don't support your move? Anybody in Nigeria that is not in tandem with your opinion is an enemy.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by oyebanji(m): 9:23pm On Aug 04, 2019
What do you know about sedition and incitement?


gidgiddy:


You still dont get it. We are in a democracy. People should be allowed to say whatever they like. What matters is what people do. You cannot charge a person to court for 'talking'. If Sowore likes, he can protest that he wants Buhari to step down. If Sowore likes , he can protest that he wants Snow to fall in Lagos. The constitution has given him the right to protest for whatever reason. The constitution has also given him the right of free speech as long as what he says is not being used to commit crime. If the authorities have any evidence that Sowore wants to use the protest to fo something unlawful, then they should arrest and charge him to court

But if the authorities arrested him because he mentioned the word 'revolution' or that he said he wants 'bundle Buhari out of office' then this arresting a man for merely talking.

If governments start going after people for what they said, as opposed to what they do, then it is no longer democracy, it is dictatorship.

If you cannot understand all this and still insist that the government is right to go after Sowore because of the words he used then it means you dont understand democracy and how it works
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Rosskiki: 9:26pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


That's like saying that all young boys should be shot because an armed robber first starts off as young boy, grows into a man, takes up arms and starts robbing people.

Should we kill all young boys because of the possibility that some of them could be armed robbers in the future? No, that would be very stupid. That's how stupid your argument is

Freedom of expression and protest is enshrined in section 39 of the Nigerian constitution. The authorities are bound by law to allow people to freely protest. If the protest turns violent, then the authorities can move in and arrest the violent protesters. That is how civilised countries act

Civilized countries? In ''civilized countries'', protesters do not name their protests ''Revolution'', which means an attempt to topple the govt! If Sowore and his ilk had named their movement 'Yellow Vests' or similar, as happened in France recently, nobody would have disturbed them.

I might add that he's even lucky, because in countries like CHINA he wouldn't even live to tell the story. If you wish to call China ''uncivilized'', that's your wahala.

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gidgiddy: 9:31pm On Aug 04, 2019
stdammis:


I feel like we are saying the same thing. If a protest can get us there, then fine protest it is.
But theres no revolution without some level of violence. This government is paranoid already. They knew a day will come when people will wake up. So when sowore called revolution, he spooked them. Again, his only crime is that he called revolution and not protest even though he meant protest. But as a bad government comfortable with oppressing your citizens, the world revolution means war against them....and you should know they will come for you.

I find it strange that armed killer herdsmen who kill thousands of Nigerians each year are given Ruga by this government but if an unarmed Nnamdi Kanu who killed nobody waves Biafran flag in the East, he will get Python dance and be declared a terrorist

I find it strange that Niger Delta Avengers will take up arms, kill people, blow up oil pipelines but this government will negotiate with them, but if unarmed Shiites protest for the release of their leader, and that protest becomes violent, they are declared terrorists

I find it strange that despite the fact that Boko haram has killed hundreds of thousands of Nigerians and counting and has been proscribed, captured Boko haram members are routinely released and will never see the insides of a court room. But all Sowore needs to be arrested and dragged to court is uttering the word 'revolution'

If this government is spooked, it's about the wrong things
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by reality1010: 9:34pm On Aug 04, 2019
[quote author=koboko69 post=80907768]Revolution definition from 2 different dictionaries;

1. rev·o·lu·tion

a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system.

synonyms: rebellion, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, uprising, riot, rioting, rising, insurgence, insurgency, coup, overthrow, seizure of power, regime change;

2. : a sudden, radical, or complete change
a fundamental change in political organization

especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed

While I am strongly in support of freedom of speech and association, I really don't think any government in the world wouldn't act on organizers of a protest which have been widely publicised as a "REVOLUTION" protest.

In my PERSONAL opinion, a better adjective or word should have been used for the so called protest.

Occupy Nigeria is a good example
The 2 face 1 million march which he later called off is another.

Whats your take?

This is coming on the heels of the purported arrest of Sowere.

[/quote
Which one is revolution? Those guys are being sponsored. They are social media guys under payment, however their eyes will clear by the time they declare state of emergency in Lagos and people start crying because they cannot go out to work and get their daily bread. Yoruba people v benefited more in this got than any other people.

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Afamed: 9:43pm On Aug 04, 2019
Govo4me2u:


2019 election was rigged, therefore this government is not legitimate.
Stop wailing. Present your evidence in the court

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by ElsonMorali: 9:56pm On Aug 04, 2019
richie240:




the moment he started fraternizing with d lord of d southeast, I knew sense has departed from him......and he has proved me right. Very, very tactless

immediately i saw his post on instagram showcasing pictures of him and Nnamdi Kanu, i sent a dm to him telling him that he had missed his way.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gidgiddy: 10:02pm On Aug 04, 2019
Rosskiki:


Civilized countries? In ''civilized countries'', protesters do not name their protests ''Revolution'', which means an attempt to topple the govt! If Sowore and his ilk had named their movement 'Yellow Vests' or similar, as happened in France recently, nobody would have disturbed them.

I might add that he's even lucky, because in countries like CHINA he wouldn't even live to tell the story. If you wish to call China ''uncivilized'', that's your wahala.


So the name people give their protest is what is important but not what the protest is really about?

Civilised countries are not interested in the name protesters attach to their protest, they interested in if it is a peaceful protest or not.

Revolution can mean many things and civilised countries dont jump to conclusions without facts
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by stdammis(m): 10:12pm On Aug 04, 2019
gidgiddy:


I find it strange that armed killer herdsmen who kill thousands of Nigerians each year are given Ruga by this government but if an unarmed Nnamdi Kanu who killed nobody waves Biafran flag in the East, he will get Python dance and be declared a terrorist

I find it strange that Niger Delta Avengers will take up arms, kill people, blow up oil pipelines but this government will negotiate with them, but if unarmed Shiites protest for the release of their leader, and that protest becomes violent, they are declared terrorists

I find it strange that despite the fact that Boko haram has killed hundreds of thousands of Nigerians and counting and has been proscribed, captured Boko haram members are routinely released and will never see the insides of a court room. But all Sowore needs to be arrested and dragged to court is uttering the word 'revolution'

If this government is spooked, it's about the wrong things

All these things you find strange shows that our leaders are cowards. They have continued to show their cowardness over and over again.

See, I keep saying we are not ready. This our government solely rely on military forces to protect them, the same military that get poor treatments? Or the policemen that get chicken change as salary?

That's why I said we can beat them at their game. They have no strategy for times like this other than forcefully having their ways.

They dont have the support of the masses in Nigeria, the entire governing body is just a small percentage of the entire Nigeria.


This case is like a single mopol police with a gun commanding 1000 civilians. The moment the civilians realized that theres just one of him, and a thousand of them, and that he cannot kill everyone is the day they become liberated.

We are just not ready.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by mabea: 10:52pm On Aug 04, 2019
Cherrybae:
Remember the ipobs started a revolution unarmed and later started using heavy arms

This made the FG to proscribe them as a terorist Group.

So I dont think any govt will fold their arms and allow such revolution protest.

We dont want another ipobs uprising in Nigeria
IPOB carry heavy arms? You must be a chronic liar
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by mabea: 11:03pm On Aug 04, 2019
legba1:
The moment I saw the eord revolution. ...I know government will be harsh on the organisers. ..Forget about emotions and sentiments. ..no government in anyway will sit and watc a revolution. ..GEJ allowed occupy 9ija protest at his own perils. ..guess what, he later woke up but the deed had been done...
all that said we need revolution but we should be wise
We should be wise like not calling it revolution, right?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by NkayStory(f): 11:30pm On Aug 04, 2019
WiLdFLame:
Only jobless and unpatriotic support this shits. No sane Yoruba is supporting Sowore. Because we don’t destroy. We build and negotiate. Now Sowore is being supported by the Ibos. Dem don hijack am because they hate buhari with passion. You igbos has always been making bad political decisions in the contemporary. If you ipobs wants revolution. Good and fine . Take it to southeast. Let the second Biafra war start and the little development there be destroyed. It's for the better of Southwest. Shebi una talk say una wan no wise ba. I don't know why the igbos hates Buhari much. When your kinsmen was there why una no Organise revolution. You all shouting revolution. Go and start with your family first. Then come back latter if you want it not .


You are always talking rubbiish and you have no one to tell you...Your myopic and senseless decision of electing an illiterate and incompetent bigoted cave-man called buhary is a legacy yorubas bequeathed to Nigeria in 2015..

You have no shame trying to drag Igbos for having the for-sight to reject buhari going by the atrocities being perpetuated in Nigeria together with a battered economy.

Yes we hate Buhari and for reasons, too!!

The horrible situation in Nigeria now which actually affects yorubas more adversely than Igbos vindicates us,but the wickedness and evil you yorubas have imbibed in your systems will not allow you see that.

Only an ingrate will open their smelly mouths to ask why Igbos hate buhari at this point in the Nation's history...As a matter of facts,Igbos are applauded for rejecting buhari,while yorubas have been receiving knocks for their political greed and narrow-mindedness.

What Igbos see sitting down,yorubas will never see standing on top of Mount Everest,that has been proven a million times over.

Keep up with your foolishness as fulanis run you out of SW region into Atlantic Ocean..
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Kfed4ril(m): 8:39am On Aug 05, 2019
WiLdFLame:
Only jobless and unpatriotic support this shits. No sane Yoruba is supporting Sowore. Because we don’t destroy. We build and negotiate. Now Sowore is being supported by the Ibos. Dem don hijack am because they hate buhari with passion. You igbos has always been making bad political decisions in the contemporary. If you ipobs wants revolution. Good and fine . Take it to southeast. Let the second Biafra war start and the little development there be destroyed. It's for the better of Southwest. Shebi una talk say una wan no wise ba. I don't know why the igbos hates Buhari much. When your kinsmen was there why una no Organise revolution. You all shouting revolution. Go and start with your family first. Then come back latter if you want it not .

I will continue to say it, Yorubas are the problem of this country, see how this guy doesn’t see anything wrong with the Nigeria of today, just because he was promised a plate of amala in 2023 he doesn’t care if the country burns as far as he gets his plate of amala in the end.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by tomju(m): 9:53am On Aug 05, 2019
[quote author=wiskana4re post=80921709][/quote]
Have you seen how you have exhibited your illiteracy? Lazy Nigerian youth.Even if you didn't finish school, atleast you should have learnt how to use the dictionary or at least Google. Anyway, let me pity you. Revolution is .....

Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by willyjacs(m): 6:27pm On Aug 05, 2019
gidgiddy:


So the terms people use in a democracy is what gets them arrested? So to talk has become a crime? Laughable
freedom of speech and democracy doesn't say u should plan a revolution(changing something by force,must,overthrow,) against ur government.
Is revolution itself democracy?

No democratic government will watch u come for a revolution..
is protest a speech or an act?

That's the fact and laws....u can go on ur revolutionary March if u are bittered..... complaining here won't change a thing.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by gidgiddy: 7:50pm On Aug 05, 2019
willyjacs:
freedom of speech and democracy doesn't say u should plan a revolution(changing something by force,must,overthrow,) against ur government.
Is revolution itself democracy?

No democratic government will watch u come for a revolution..
is protest a speech or an act?

That's the fact and laws....u can go on ur revolutionary March if u are bittered..... complaining here won't change a thing.

A revolution of unarmed people protesting on the streets? I have been.asking this question but nobody seems to answer

How can unarmed protester protesting on the street be changing something by force?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by oblaak: 7:51pm On Aug 05, 2019
WiLdFLame:
Only jobless and unpatriotic support this shits. No sane Yoruba is supporting Sowore. Because we don’t destroy. We build and negotiate. Now Sowore is being supported by the Ibos. Dem don hijack am because they hate buhari with passion. You igbos has always been making bad political decisions in the contemporary. If you ipobs wants revolution. Good and fine . Take it to southeast. Let the second Biafra war start and the little development there be destroyed. It's for the better of Southwest. Shebi una talk say una wan no wise ba. I don't know why the igbos hates Buhari much. When your kinsmen was there why una no Organise revolution. You all shouting revolution. Go and start with your family first. Then come back latter if you want it not .
Why should we organize a revolution when our brother was there? The economy was in good shape of course and everyone enjoyed. But see what kind of mess your brother has put us in now. Hunger, deaths, stealing and everything bad. Why won’t a sane nation revolt against this kind of clueless government?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by willyjacs(m): 12:11am On Aug 06, 2019
gidgiddy:


A revolution of unarmed people protesting on the streets? I have been.asking this question but nobody seems to answer

How can unarmed protester protesting on the street be changing something by force?
Oga revolution they called it.
The title of the protest is the problem....Revolutionary protests always ends up violently.

U tagged it "revolution", no government cares whether u are armed or not.
The government are only acting to the definition of revolution....
don't tag ur protest as revolution when u are not ready for war.

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Rainbow219(m): 5:44pm On Aug 06, 2019
lexy2014:


D bad people that u say surround buhari, pls who are they and who put them around buhari?

This is how life is. You doesn't have a choice of friends to surround you. No matter how decent you are, you must have a good friends and bad ones. I repeat Buhari is gentle but unfortunately surrounded by bad peoples.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by lexy2014: 6:26pm On Aug 06, 2019
Rainbow219:


This is how life is. You doesn't have a choice of friends to surround you. No matter how decent you are, you must have a good friends and bad ones. I repeat Buhari is gentle but unfortunately surrounded by bad peoples.

U still haven't answered d question I asked. D bad people that u say surround buhari, pls who are they and who put them around buhari?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by lexy2014: 6:31pm On Aug 06, 2019
willyjacs:
Oga revolution they called it.
The title of the protest is the problem....Revolutionary protests always ends up violently.

U tagged it "revolution", no government cares whether u are armed or not.
The government are only acting to the definition of revolution....
don't tag ur protest as revolution when u are not ready for war.

When tuface planned a rally against this govt, did he call it a "revolution"? When d Shiites took 2d streets, did they call their protest a revolution? What was d govts response 2 these two events?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by Rainbow219(m): 5:42pm On Aug 07, 2019
lexy2014:


U still haven't answered d question I asked. D bad people that u say surround buhari, pls who are they and who put them around buhari?

No need to tell you who are those bad peoples that surround Buhari. You know them and I know them.
About who put them so close to him. You can go and ask them. As far as I know they have no any political appointment in this government.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by lexy2014: 5:50pm On Aug 07, 2019
Rainbow219:


No need to tell you who are those bad peoples that surround Buhari. You know them and I know them.
About who put them so close to him. You can go and ask them. As far as I know they have no any political appointment in this government.

I don't no them. Am not d one who said that d people who surround buhari are bad. Its u who said so. U have even added that "they have no any political appointment in this government". That means u no them very well. Seems u had already asked them what am asking cos u even no that they dont have political appointement. So take responsibility 4 ur comments and name d people since u no them very well
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by willyjacs(m): 2:29pm On Aug 08, 2019
lexy2014:


When tuface planned a rally against this govt, did he call it a "revolution"? When d Shiites took 2d streets, did they call their protest a revolution? What was d govts response 2 these two events?
That's why it's even worse to tag it revolution.
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by lexy2014: 2:55pm On Aug 08, 2019
willyjacs:
That's why it's even worse to tag it revolution.

U still didn't answer d questions I asked. I didn't ask whether it is better or worse to tag a protest revolution. This is what I asked:
lexy2014:


When tuface planned a rally against this govt, did he call it a "revolution"? When d Shiites took 2d streets, did they call their protest a revolution? What was d govts response 2 these two events?
Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by candidtalk: 3:22pm On Aug 08, 2019
koboko69:


Chia...i just dey waste my time ....
All this your analysis ehn. cheesy


You are minding the unexposed ignoramus who thinks freedom of speech is carte blanche to say what you want regardless of how offensive and harmful that is to others? Even in greater homes of democracy, freedom of speech cannot be abused by anyone to cause injury to others. In the UK, a young troll was jailed for racially mocking an African footballer, Fabrice Muamba, who had a heart attack on a football pitch. Only in Nigeria you get the biggest ignoramuses who make up the rules as they go along.

Inciting the public to revolt against a democratically elected government is harmless freedom of speech to be ignored ba? Some of these guys are too unreasonable to even entertain. Better they have their own Country and space soonest. I bet they will tear themselves to shreds in there because they are anarchists who talk according to their mood, whims and caprices rather than a steadfast devotion to what is right and lawful today, tomorrow and in 100 years time.

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Re: Will Any Government In The World Sit And Watch A "Revolution" Protest? by candidtalk: 3:40pm On Aug 08, 2019
honor4me:
SHOWORE AND HIS FANTASIES

The man participated in the democratic process, contested presidential election and lost woefully. He tested his ability and he scored 33,953(0.1%) throughout Nigeria out of about 28million casted votes.

Four months after result was declared, he is calling for revolution. If he was declared winner, will he call for revolution or allow someone call for that?

The man that boasted of having large followers. How come majority of Nigerians dissapointed him on election day.

Hypocrisy and scamming combined.

FG must deal decisively with such infinitesimal trouble shooters. If he wants change, let him recontest again.


Indeed. They will call Buhari names but never give him credit for his democratic manner and exemplary tolerance. Nothing FFK and Fayose do not say against PMB yet Mr.President has the grace and tolerance to ignore them unlike even the leader of the supposed greatest democracy in the world, Donald Trump, who joins issues with every Tom, D.ick and Harry.

Yet, it is a different ball game entirely when you cajole people to go into the Street to be clamouring for a 'revolution' to oust a democratically elected government. Especially when such is led by a supposed democrat who participated in the latest round of Presidential election himself and lost i.e Sowore.

By all indications, we are dealing with a dangerous anarchist and sore loser who can create problems for Nigeria if things are allowed to snowball. Has Sowore even let Buhari put his cabinet in place before this madness he initiated? Was he ever a democrat considering he contested the Presidential election and will not even allow the elected President 6 months to work before he starts this idiocy? Why contest to be President? why not go for this option from the beginning? All his actions smack of attention-seeking, megalomania, self-servitude and hypocrisy the likes of Kanu. FFK, Fayose, Adeyanju et al are known for.

Yet, no surprise his antics will mainly be supported by Igbos who are themselves anarchists and anti-Nigerian elements. Anything to crash "the Zoo". Most sensible adults, to include most Yorubas, conclude what Sowore is doing is wrong. I was his fan when he ran Saharareporters but I now see him as lawless, dangerous and entirely undemocratic. He is effectively calling for a revolution against the result and winner of an election he participated in and hoped to be the winner of. Everything points to the fact Sowore is a dangerous anarchist and deceptive Snake because he should have stuck to his Che Guevera approach from the start rather than contest the Nigerian Presidential election only to now appear to reject the result with this revolution antics. Why, during campaigning, did he not shout 'revolution' while travelling throughout Nigeria seeking votes?

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