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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by IkalaiyeLOTO: 10:37pm On Aug 18, 2019
people with experience, Please how save is the I-invest platform for money invested therein?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dannywest01: 11:07pm On Aug 18, 2019
TotoNaRubber:
It looks alright but it seems they hold your interest until maturity, they don't pay upfront, the recurring interests in itself is mouthwatering grin

if that’s the case then it won’t work for me because I like my upfront so I can use it for another business.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C505: 11:15pm On Aug 18, 2019
dannywest01:
if that’s the case then it won’t work for me because I like my upfront so I can use it for another business.

Apart from i-invest, which other banks don't pay upfront cos I really don't like being paid upfront
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by enque(f): 12:34am On Aug 19, 2019
C505:


Apart from i-invest, which other banks don't pay upfront cos I really don't like being paid upfront

I think for secondary markets, u can tell them not to pay upfront.
I requested that first bank shld pay both my interest n capital at the end of the tenor.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dannywest01: 1:39am On Aug 19, 2019
C505:


Apart from i-invest, which other banks don't pay upfront cos I really don't like being paid upfront
you can only choose not to collect upfront and reinvest your earnings. All banks have that option
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jayjay1512(m): 12:48pm On Aug 19, 2019
@comparedbest what's the interest for banks today and which bank has d best rate

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by necheremIFY: 3:51pm On Aug 19, 2019
I am new here. I went to GTB to invest in treasury bill , they presented the rate as 94days 9.75%, 220 days 10.65%, 360days 11.75%. I picked for 360 days, later I started blaming myself that I should have go for 220days because of 1%.difference. Please I want to know if the rate of 220 and 94 days will be calculated on per annum

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by mimini: 4:17pm On Aug 19, 2019
Please, what is the difference between primary and secondary treasury bill? Which is better in terms of risk and investment? I am confused because some banks said I could invest same amount for both primary and secondary. When asked which is better, was told they are both thesame.

I feel they don't understand it.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DaBogu: 4:17pm On Aug 19, 2019
Yes
necheremIFY:
I am new here. I went to GTB to invest in treasury bill , they presented the rate as 94days 9.75%, 220 days 10.65%, 360days 11.75%. I picked for 360 days, later I started blaming myself that I should have go for 220days because of 1%.difference. Please I want to know if the rate of 220 and 94 days will be calculated on per annum

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ijeoma660(f): 4:40pm On Aug 19, 2019
necheremIFY:
I am new here. I went to GTB to invest in treasury bill , they presented the rate as 94days 9.75%, 220 days 10.65%, 360days 11.75%. I picked for 360 days, later I started blaming myself that I should have go for 220days because of 1%.difference. Please I want to know if the rate of 220 and 94 days will be calculated on per annum


Any rates for the money or capital market are annualized.

in simple terms whatever rate you are offered must be divided by 364 days and multiplied by the number of days you intend to invest your funds.

Your decision to choose a longer duration is precedent on whether you need your funds back soon for other purposes. However you can liquidate at any point in time but will loose the unearned interest days left to your maturity.

Disclaimer:
I am sorry if I have not used the proper terms I am not an expert

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Infinitisi(m): 6:46pm On Aug 19, 2019
mimini:
Please, what is the difference between primary and secondary treasury bill? Which is better in terms of risk and investment? I am confused because some banks said I could invest same amount for both primary and secondary. When asked which is better, was told they are both thesame.

I feel they don't understand it.

Its the same Tbills whether you buy from Primary or Secondary. The only difference is Primary you are buying from CBN and the auction is every two weeks while in the Secondary market you are buying from someone else who bought before and is now selling it. Secondary market is available any day.

Take your time to read the first few pages of this thread so you have an understanding of where you are putting your money.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by HeliosHay(m): 7:48pm On Aug 19, 2019
Any idea the effect this could have with regards to the Fed Govt paying up on TBill debt?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEziWFp91s&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=8YIB1Tqki-fxXsAb%3A6

Surely, they won't default

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Vision4God: 10:16pm On Aug 19, 2019
drdrei09:
If I put 2 million in treasury bill, what's the least amount I'm likely to get as interesting, please?

Let me try in my own lil way,
To answer u, if you chose a year (365), and assuming it's at 11.68%, you will get N233, 600 as your interest.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Horlartunes: 8:24am On Aug 20, 2019
Love

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RealityShot: 8:33am On Aug 20, 2019
forlahkhe:
Pls, do u mean if I have account wt gtb, I can go and buy secondary tbills in stambic if stambic has higher rate? Or u must have an account with whichever bank u want to buy secondary tbills from.



this is WHY I no longer answer newbie questions here.

Why can you not take 1 day and read 10 pages on a thread
About the investment business you want to embark on?

Will you be asking questions that have been answered a thousand times and expect a fresh answer?

The business that gave you that money, is this how you learnt and started it?

READ MAN. THEN GO TO YOUR BANK(S) AND CONFIRM THE INFORMATION.

Then ask questions if you find anything different.

Tbills is too easy for all these questions!

If you encounter a problem that's what you should bring here.

Nough said.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RealityShot: 8:36am On Aug 20, 2019
Horlartunes:
Hi guys my Tbills ls is almost due and I want to renew it immediately what should I do
if it's secondary mkt you bought it, you must wait for it to return to your account.
Then apply for reinvestment the next day.

If Its primary mkt, and you did not tick auto reinvest option, simply go and submit an new form for the next auction (which will occur after expiration).

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RealityShot: 8:51am On Aug 20, 2019
IkalaiyeLOTO:
people with experience, Please how save is the I-invest platform for money invested therein?
Sir, this is not I-invest thread.
Go to I-invest thread or create one, it's free!

This is treasury bills thread.

I-invest is not treasury bills. (do not cause confusion here)

Beware or get banned.

#justwise
#Pavore9

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by mimini: 9:15am On Aug 20, 2019
Acidosis:


T-bills secondary market is a form of black market with no form of coordination or predetermined timeline across all banks. When it comes to secondary market, no two banks have the same or predetermined tenor or rates. The banks simply sell to you what they bought from an existing holder of Treasury Bills.

It's a process of buying from those who wish to terminate their investments, so there are no predetermined rates or tenors. You need to approach any bank of your choice to know whether such offers are available.

As per primary market, auction takes place fortnightly at the same time in all banks. Note, it's an auction, and you're not even permitted to state your own rate. Unless you're investing N50m+, the banks simply bid on your behalf (together with other customers).

When CBN's stop rate for an auction is 11%, and your bank tender a bid of 11.5%, the bank lose out for that period. To scale the hurdle, whatever your bank bids must fall in the range of CBN's stop rate. Don't bother asking anyone what CBN rates are for the next auction because nobody knows, including your bank manager. They only bid and predict using some dynamics such as previous stop rates, policies, inflation, etc.

Also note that the fact you're buying from the primary market doesn't imply you're getting better rates than those buying from the secondary market.
Which is better? Well, no one can answer that. Whichever offers an individual better rates at any point in time is better.

Thank you so much. I now understand it very well. The only question I have is that since Secondary market is like black market buying from others, is it as save and risk free as the Primary market
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by yinkaoke(f): 9:34am On Aug 20, 2019
Lets all discuss the implications of the British court case of $9 dollars against Nigeria’s Asset on investments in Treasury bills’s and its far reaching effect on the economy amidst falling oil prices.

Question that should be on the minds of T-bills investors and more are:

1. Are we to expect a rise in T-bill rates?
2. Are foreign investors exiting the T-bills markets?
3. Are we to invest in short term tenors or long term terms?
4. Are we to expect more OMO auctions from CBN?
5. Are we to expect more T-bill demands from CBN?

If we are able to provide answers to the above and more looking at the effects of the above case on our foreign reserve and or the ripple effect of the information on our decisions to invest, then the way to go for Treasury bill investors will be clear.
Oya, all the guru’s in the house, Economic speculators we need your responses

Note: T-bills means Treasury bills

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Acidosis(m): 9:42am On Aug 20, 2019
mimini:


Thank you so much. I now understand it very well. The only question I have is that since Secondary market is like black market buying from others, is it as save and risk free as the Primary market

It's as safe as the primary market.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by IkalaiyeLOTO: 9:57am On Aug 20, 2019
RealityShot:
Sir, this is not I-invest thread.
Go to I-invest thread or create one, it's free!

This is treasury bills thread.

I-invest is not treasury bills. (do not cause confusion here)

Beware or get banned.

#justwise
#Pavore9
I'm asking about Nigeria treasury bills secondary market investment on I-invest platform sir, it was on this same thread that I got information about them. Someone with the moniker of "papadoculus" displayed a screen shot of I-invest Tbills yields on Sunday and members on this platform commented on it and I didn't see you attacking the post or comments after, I believe all of us are here to learn, so please be guided in your attacks of what you don't understand or ignorant about sir. angry

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 10:14am On Aug 20, 2019
yinkaoke:
Lets all discuss the implications of the British court case of $9 dollars against Nigeria’s Asset on investments in Treasury bills’s and its far reaching effect on the economy amidst falling oil prices.

Question that should be on the minds of T-bills investors and more are:

1. Are we to expect a rise in T-bill rates?
2. Are foreign investors exiting the T-bills markets?
3. Are we to invest in short term tenors or long term terms?
4. Are we to expect more OMO auctions from CBN?
5. Are we to expect more T-bill demands from CBN?

If we are able to provide answers to the above and more looking at the effects of the above case on our foreign reserve and or the ripple effect of the information on our decisions to invest, then the way to go for Treasury bill investors will be clear.
Oya, all the guru’s in the house, Economic speculators we need your responses

Note: T-bills means Treasury bills
expecting a rise ......fdi are worried forex inflow reduces ,rate up

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by decargne: 11:25am On Aug 20, 2019
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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Horlartunes: 12:02pm On Aug 20, 2019
RealityShot:
if it's secondary mkt you bought it, you must wait for it to return to your account.
Then apply for reinvestment the next day.

If Its primary mkt, and you did not tick auto reinvest option, simply go and submit an new form for the next auction (which will occur after expiration).

gimme your digits wanna discuss with you
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DaniellaDokubo(f): 12:07pm On Aug 20, 2019
decargne:
hello house, please I heard over the business news on CTV that TB rate is expected to rise to 15 percent by Jan 2020. please is this info correct and if so, would it be wise to defer putting in for tb(365 days) till then and invest the amount in money market till Jan?

Go ahead and invest if you have any good rates on offer today. If that time comes with better rates. Liquidate and clench the new and better rates. You loose practically nothing except your unearned profits.

Let the experts come in and validate this though.

Meanwhile here is UBA secondary rates as at this morning. Valid till 2pm.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by CompareDBest: 12:21pm On Aug 20, 2019
jayjay1512:
@comparedbest what's the interest for banks today and which bank has d best rate
Stanbic IBTC, today: 13.7% (128 days), 13.65% (247 days), and 13.95% (191 days). Sorry for the delay.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:41pm On Aug 20, 2019
Horlartunes:
Hi guys my Tbills ls is almost due and I want to renew it immediately what should I do
Renew it.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Horlartunes: 1:01pm On Aug 20, 2019
RealityShot:
if it's secondary mkt you bought it, you must wait for it to return to your account.
Then apply for reinvestment the next day.

If Its primary mkt, and you did not tick auto reinvest option, simply go and submit an new form for the next auction (which will occur after expiration).

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by needful: 1:11pm On Aug 20, 2019
CompareDBest:
Stanbic IBTC, today: 13.7% (128 days), 13.65% (247 days), and 13.95% (191 days). Sorry for the delay.

This is a very good rate. Why are other banks having watery rate.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by amjustme2: 1:19pm On Aug 20, 2019
Do you have info on FBN rate for today?

CompareDBest:
Stanbic IBTC, today: 13.7% (128 days), 13.65% (247 days), and 13.95% (191 days). Sorry for the delay.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by CompareDBest: 1:58pm On Aug 20, 2019
amjustme2:
Do you have info on FBN rate for today?

No, unfortunately. Last Saturday, they had 10.2% for 131 days (vs 9.7% for 91 days or 11.35% for 182 days in the last Primary Market Auction).
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by CompareDBest: 2:01pm On Aug 20, 2019
needful:
This is a very good rate. Why are other banks having watery rate.
Most are increasing by 1-3%pts from just 2weeks ago, before the last Primary Market Auction. They seem to believe the rates will rise.

A more informed financial analyst than us might know if there has been more activity in the Equity market or if Foreign Investment has been leaving our shores seeking safer havens with all this talk of global recession looming.

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