Paccus:

Nice points raised Bro indeed feminism now is just "hatred for men" because no one is stopping any woman from achieving anything ..I am just pointing to the fact that the African Feminists are worse compared to the rest. For instance, A Feminists in the West may not mind splitting the bills for dates, movies etc but a African Feminists will tell you at that point "Are you not the Man".

Michellekabod2:

Thank you, I was limiting my discussion to the relationship/sexual aspect yesterday,in order to discuss on other aspects like politics some other day.
The issue of sexuality is one very big stuff! A crucial part of human life. The idea of shamming a lady who has sex is not right.
The woman been blamed for a divorce is wrong as well. A married couple divorce,and then the society calls her a failed woman, she is stigmatised. For this reasons ladies have stayed in bad marriages.
The idea of cheating also. A man cheat of his wife and she is encouraged to pray and dress sexy,she is blamed for the cheating. But a woman cheats,and she is tagged a LovePeddler...

The hygiene stuff as well.
Infact please do refer to my opening post for more points

Paccus:

Lol, on the issue of sexuality, But male and female are stigmatized or shamed due to their sexual choices, While the female are shamed for having sex, the males are shamed when they are not having sex/Not performing well during sex e.g Females made fun of Churchill when Tonto accused him of being a 40 seconds man, Also men who decide not to have sex before marriage or be celibate are also made fun of and shamed by the society. So males and females are shamed for their sexual choices

Michellekabod2:

Well,I am fighting for both male and female here. Men shouldn't be shamed for having sex or not,it's their choice.... female shouldn't be shammed for having sex or not....the fact guys are shammed doesn't make it right...let both genders be left alone to do what they wish with their bodies....what do you say?

raptex:
My Idea of Feminism

1) Women been equal to men
2) Women having equal opportunities as men
3) Women being independent: I don't like the idea of women depending on men for all their needs.

When I think of feminists, the first woman that comes to mind is Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti. She fought for women suffrage and led men to fight for Nigeria's independence. How many Nigerian women can do this in 2019?

budaatum:

Men have half brains in their heads for starts, and a new life doesn't exactly grow in men like they do in a woman. The man can't produce food from it's own body once that life comes out of the woman like the woman can. And men go drink in a bar while the woman worries about feeding that life. We mostly go running to superior mummy because she appears to have lots more time for us than daddy does. And there's a sperm bank to replace the man but you can't replace a woman, yet.

Need I go on?

Men! We will farm you like we farm pigs someday, I'm telling you all! Thankfully, we'd only need a few of you so you all better buck up or be culled! We will call it reducing population in the end, you poor men!

lilwetdick:


i am happy to hear this... equality comes with taking responsibility of your action..

i like the slap scenario and i have always believe in it..if you slap me first as a female, i will slap you back, i am protecting my dignity and according to the law..what i did is normal and an act of self defense.

Korllami007:


You are mouthed

Let's war break out today and see all these feminists chicken out because when the military start the conscription of male into the army, none of the feminists will protest equal participation in the war. They will all keep quiet.

luvyaself95:
It like you don't understand why man is man and woman is woman...

budaatum:

Would you like to explain to me "why man is man and woman is woman" so that I do understand, please?

luvyaself95:
currently am not in the mood to write long epistle
So i Would short my words...
man is born to be head and you know what nobody is perfect that why man need woman
just like a leader he surely need followers
honestly we are like twins we have a lot in common...

budaatum:

Where did you get "man is born to be head" from?

luvyaself95:
take it or leave it that how is it...
I already know you're feminist nothing i say here you will agree to...

budaatum:

Sorry luvyaself95, but I don't think you expect me to just take your word for it and the reason I don't is because I'm a feminist!

Do note that you have not actually said much except assert a baseless assertion with no evidence to back it up and are asking me to accept it as if you are some sort of authority on the matter and are asking me to deny the fact that I am a love oneself person with a mind and a brain and subjugate them to your assumed superior intelligence with no evidence whatsoever for doing so. If buda does what you demand, I, buda, will personally bash that stupid buda's head against a rock out of the love that I have for myself for being so devoid of intelligence!

Please know that whenever you have evidence for your claim I shall be here to consider it.

luvyaself95:

it clear that man is to lead woman if any man get control by woman definitely he is shame to manhood...
You're talking of evidence which evidence do you have to proof that being feminist is right and worthful and are you trying to challenge God that creating woman is wrong that you ladies suppose to be like man...
i don't have any word to say to you an argument or discusion with you would lead to nowhere...

budaatum:

When you have no more to say you'd just say no more!

A feminist is not after control of any man and it would be stupid for her not to like being controlled and then wish to control another, and it's not in anyway clear that she has to be led by a man. As for God, male and female were both created in the image of God, which sounds pretty equal to me unless you are one of those who believe the woman is your rib!

But if God did what you claim God did, then "God, I buda, challenge you!"

luvyaself95:
can you tell me three reasons feminist is better man...

budaatum:

No, I can't. A feminist is simply someone, male or female, who is trying to achieve change that helps women get equal opportunities and treatment.

Do note that some men are pigs whom a feminist will aim to be superior to. There's afterall no point aspiring to piggishness.

luvyaself95:
I said this before and i will say it again arguing with you would lead to nowhere...
make and female are two different people it can't be possible...
Argument No More..

budaatum:


I think the issue here is that your desire is to argue instead of reasoning. One involves banging unfounded statements against each other's while the other requires the careful consideration of each others view. And i agree, arguing with me will indeed lead nowhere. Can we try reasoning instead of arguing?

Why is it, in your opinion, not possible for men and women to have equal opportunities and treatment in societies? Why do you think equals cannot respect each other?

Incidentally, the program on telly at this very moment is titled Japan's Secret Shame. The story of Shiori Ito, the woman who shocked Japan with a public allegation of rape in a country where sex crimes are rarely discussed. In an society that sees women as equal to men this would not have been an issue.

This film tells the moving story of 29-year-old Japanese journalist Shiori Ito, who in May 2017 shocked Japan when she went public with allegations that she was raped by a well-known TV journalist.

Through Shiori's testimony, the film outlines her allegations against Noriyuki Yamaguchi, on the night the two met for a business dinner in Tokyo. Mr Yamaguchi, the biographer of Japan's prime minister, strenuously denies her claims. It recounts what led Shiori to take the unprecedented decision to go public with her allegations in a country where speaking about sex crimes remains strictly taboo. Following Shiori over the next year, the film tells the story of how criminal charges against Mr Yamaguchi were never brought, and her decision to pursue a civil case against him - a case which he is defending. It also portrays the consequences Shiori faced by speaking out in Japanese society. While the #MeToo movement saw women coming forward in solidarity across the globe, in Japan, Shiori was met with hate mail and public humiliation.

Interweaving in the wider social issues of gender and traditional attitudes in Japan, the film follows Shiori on her personal journey, as she visits the institutions she believes failed her, meets with other women who are too frightened to even report assaults, and fights to affect change in Japan.

liberalchick:


I disagree. There is nothing like pros and cons in feminism, feminism is just the fight for women’s rights with the belief that men and women are equal. A woman should be able to do whatever she wants with those rights, our fight is not with women but with society to validate those rights. Women are not a monolith. One of the problems the feminist movement have is some ‘feminists’ have decided to shove their choices, rights on other women, to me they are no different than sexist people. A true feminist does not impinge on another woman’s choice.

Most women believe that the rights of men shouldn’t be more important or superior to women’s but some will still say they are not feminists because third wave feminists have shamed them for their choices. The goal is to defend the choice of a woman (within the confines of the law) whatever that choice is. A woman can decide to sleep with 100 consensual men and a woman can decide that she wants to be a virgin on her wedding night, both are valid choices and we want to live in a society that validates and respects both choices.

Some people just want to derail the feminist movement by always harping on who pays what bills. That has NOTHING to with feminism, that’s a personal choice. I like to pay my own bills, if another woman doesn’t want to and she finds a willing man to do so, that’s her choice. As a feminist I respect her choice, I will have a problem if society favors one choice over another.

A feminist can be whatever she wants, she can be a pilot, doctor, housewife, stripper, astronaut. The only person that is not a feminist is someone that believes that a man’s right is superior to a woman’s.

I just want to add after my epistle that I absolutely agree with you except the bolded.

Michellekabod2:

Not all feminists are what you described....my idea of feminism is gender equality, true feminism is to protect but males and females, it is to make both genders smile at the end. That is why i put up those points. But sadly the feminist of today only seek to protect their fellow female and see feminism as freedom for themselves.
What the lady who molested a kid did is unacceptable!
I am not a man hater, I love both genders...am looking out for both genders

Michellekabod2:

Sorry you have missed the point of feminism which is gender equality by thwarting the definition to be pro-women,that makes you worse than sexists! Feminism isn't pro-women but pro-equality of both genders. Many so called "feminists" do nothing but cry foul about injustice meted on females and always talk of females rights! As we continue to have feminists that uphold your definition the word feminism will remain a joke to the ears,and seen as a movement of bitter women.
If in the list I put up,I touched areas ONLY related to improvement the female rights ,you wouldn't type what you typed but applaud me.
While ladies should have choices on whether a man should pay the bills or not why do females cry foul when a men chooses that the lady does all the domestic chores? Isn't he entitled to a "choice" as well?

liberalchick:

Phrases like “bitter women” is often used to belittle the movement. You are over compensating so as not be viewed as a man hater. Demanding for your rights so as to have equal opportunities as men doesn’t mean you take men’s away. Demanding that your behavior, choices, aspirations shouldn’t be judged differently because you’re a woman doesn’t mean you look the other way when the choice of a man is judged unfairly.

budaatum:

I'd agree with you except for the assumed right to be pigs that I personally do want to take away from men. I'd over compensate to chop it off if I could even if they hid it in their pants.

Deepfeel:

How about men paying for bride price,? Should women pay for groom price to balance it 50/50?

Michellekabod2:

Sorry you have missed the point of feminism which is gender equality by thwarting the definition to be pro-women,that makes you worse than sexists! Feminism isn't pro-women but pro-equality of both genders. Many so called "feminists" do nothing but cry foul about injustice meted on females and always talk of females rights! As we continue to have feminists that uphold your definition the word feminism will remain a joke to the ears,and seen as a movement of bitter women.
If in the list I put up,I touched areas ONLY related to improvement the female rights ,you wouldn't type what you typed but applaud me.
While ladies should have choices on whether a man should pay the bills or not why do females cry foul when a men chooses that the lady does all the domestic chores? Isn't he entitled to a "choice" as well?

yeyeosoronga:


Is there a problem if feminists only cry about the injustice meted on females and women's rights? They have not done anything wrong by doing that.
They are doing exactly what feminists should do by definition.
Being a feminist doesn't mean you are are an all round activist. Some feminists (including male feminists) are all round activists fighting for injustices all around the world regardless of gender.
Some have chosen a specific area to fight for- women's rights. I know some activists who have never identified as feminists but you know they will support giving equal opportunities to women and the equal rights of women.
Some activists focus on the rights of a child, and don't give a rat's ass about those of a woman. Some focus on the elderly and fight against ageism (that should be a thing in Nigeria where institutionalised ageism is the norm especially job descriptions that want only 25 year old graduates for jobs a 50 year old also has the capacity to do too).
Feminism is a specific movement about women and their rights, opportunities etc so don't act surprised when feminist do exactly that.
Personally, I think everyone should be a feminist, everyone should fight and seek to protect our children, our elderly, our disabled in the society.
I, personally don't identify as a feminist, but I believe in equality and equity for everyone.

Michellekabod2:
or rather the question should be is there a problem if feminist cry for the equality of both genders? The ultimate goal for feminism is equality of both genders! Do kindly research on how feminism is practiced and viewed in other countries. Where did you get the definition that feminism is specifically for women?

liberalchick:
Why and how did feminism start?

The movement started to campaign for the rights of women at a time when women had little to NO rights. Just as how the civil rights started as a campaign for the rights of the black man during Jim Crow.

Feminism’s ultimate goal is for women to achieve those rights which would ultimately lead to gender equality in society. A state in which men AND women both have equal access to opportunities.

There can’t be gender equality if women don’t have access to opportunities that men have. For some reason you seem to think in order to campaign for those rights, women have to trample on the rights or choices of men or women have to be hypocritical in the face of injustice towards men.

This rhetoric is what misogynists use in derailing the movement and unfortunately you have let them get inside your head. Phrases like “bitter women” is often used to belittle the movement. You are over compensating so as not be viewed as a man hater. Demanding for your rights so as to have equal opportunities as men doesn’t mean you take men’s away. Demanding that your behavior, choices, aspirations shouldn’t be judged differently because you’re a woman doesn’t mean you look the other way when the choice of a man is judged unfairly.

As I have said many times on this forum, people’s choices should be respected. While feminism seek to fight for gender equality on the policy level, what people decide to do in their personal life is their business. I don’t know about women crying about a man’s choice to want a domestic wife. I can only speak for myself, I personally don’t have a problem with men that want traditional wives. I also don’t have a problem with women that want to be traditional wives. I would only have a problem if that lifestyle is forced upon me via laws or ‘culture’.

Some men/women are independent and want dependent women/men; some men/women are dependent and want independent women/men; some men/women are independent and want independent women/men; wouldn’t it be a beautiful society if all of these varying choices/lifestyles can co-exist equally?

Too much emphasis on personal choices i.e “who washes plate?” It detracts from the main purpose of the movement.

budaatum:

Wobish! Slaves do not champion freedom of paid servants when the chains are around their own necks!