John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

the spirit is needed to accept and know that the Word come Jesus is God

1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 

without the Spirit a person cannot know things of the Spirit

the Word being God is foolishness to false jw's
the Holy Spirit being God is foolishness to false jw's etc.

Barristter07:


If Jesus is the source, why are angels and other human creations not called Jesus sons??

I wonder.

blueAgent:



Jesus is God by inheritance.
Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
So you can see that his own godship or nature was inherited from his father, he can not be Co-equal with his father.

Jesus was made so much better than the angels, it means Jesus is not an angel, this makes Jesus God Almighty

blueAgent:


How can Jesus be the Almighty and still be called Son?
Is like me having a son called Mr A and I told the world that i have a Son who is Mr A, eye witnesses also confirm the fact that I am the father of Mr A.

But the only ones disputing that am not the father are trinitarians who think they know me and my son better than I do.
Is it not weird that Trinitarians will ignore over 100 scriptures that say God is the father of Jesus and Jesus is the son, just to promote a doctrine that has no scriptural or divine backing.

How do Trinitarians ignore the fact that God is the father of Jesus?

Trinitarians only says that the father, the Son and the holy Spirit is one being.
Which is properly backed by scriptures

Janosky:

You have proved that you're worse than atheists.
They don't pretend they believe in Jesus, unlike Solite3 Pharisees, a FRAUD Christian who rejects John17:3 ,the spoken words of Jesus Christ.

John17:3, Jesus Christ "your creator" says his Father is the " ONLY TRUE God."

You are NOT on the same page with
Jesus. That's the bitter truth. Deal with it.

y are you bitter

Barristter07:


Yes by virtue of his making Jesus himself . do u object to the Fact ?

No sir it wouldnt, saying all things was created through Jesus is to give us more information of how it was done.

( More pepper to your wounds is that, while Angels were made through Jesus, they were never called Jesus sons, nah, because all things including Jesus himself came from and through the Father, they are called the Fathers sons )

You should answer those questions

Barristter07:


If Jesus is the source, why are angels and other human creations not called Jesus sons??

being a Son of God is not the same as been created by God it has to do bearing resemblance, relationship and special status or privileges just as a son has to a father.

proverbs tells us that the Father possessed widom-the word,
and john affirms that wisdon-the Word was with the Father:

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



2Co_4:4 in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ones, so that the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who is the image of God should not dawn on them.



the unbelieving ones = the false jw's, among other that the devil has blinded



Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Barristter07:


If Jesus is the source, why are angels and other human creations not called Jesus sons??

lie lie™ barrister

they are called son's of God and Jesus is God, as many scriptures show




Joh 1:10  He was in the world, and the world was made by him(including man and everything that was made), and the world knew him not.

^^^ Jesus created man, therefor men are son's of Jesus - sons of God, the Word is God, john 1:1 +++
but men knew him not, and you still know Him not


Joh 1:5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not

solite3:

How do Trinitarians ignore the fact that God is the father of Jesus?

Trinitarians only says that the father, the Son and the holy Spirit is one being.
Which is properly backed by scriptures

One being that have capacity for different will and mind?

johnw47:


beelzebubAgent, you know i wont waste any more time explaining anything to you a sewer mouth false accuser
having absolutely no understanding, with lies and confusion

https://www.nairaland.com/5382917/trinity-doctrine-false-doctrine-it/7#81785581

btw, i don't believe the Son is the Father, i believe Father and Son is two persons in God, as in john 1:1
read your post and see how there is no one more duh than you

Is there any meaning in this nonsense you posted?

johnw47:


lie lie™ barrister

they are called son's of God and Jesus is God, as many scriptures show




Joh 1:10  He was in the world, and the world was made by him(including man and everything that was made), and the world knew him not.

^^^ Jesus created man, therefor men are son's of Jesus - sons of God, the Word is God, john 1:1 +++
but men knew him not, and you still know Him not


Joh 1:5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not

You are more confused than can be imagined.

Emusan:



Apostle Paul says "There is ONE LORD"
That means the Father isn't Lord according to your deluded mind....

Compare Matt 11:25 & Acts 2:36. Matt 11:25, who did Jesus call "Lord of Heaven and Earth? Acts 2:36, who made Jesus a Lord?
The Father's Lordship is Superior.


Romans 15:6 "so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
John 20:17 "Jesus said, "for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.'"
Last, last Apostle Paul is praying for Emusan to receive sense.... *** Ephesians 1:17 " I ask the glorious Father and God of our Lord Jesus Christ to give you his Spirit. The Spirit will make you wise and let you understand what it means to know God."

blueAgent:


Is there any meaning in this nonsense you posted?

sewer mouth false accuser beelzebubagent

not to you who has absolutely no understanding at all

blueAgent:



You are more confused than can be imagined.

sewer mouth false accuser beelzebubAgent

only to one of absolutely no understanding at all

blueAgent:


One being that have capacity for different will and mind?

Yes

solite3:

Yes

You are joker, you are trying to make God a lair.

johnw47:


lie lie™ barrister

they are called son's of God and Jesus is God, as many scriptures show




Joh 1:10  He was in the world, and the world was made by him(including man and everything that was made), and the world knew him not.

^^^ Jesus created man, therefor men are son's of Jesus - sons of God, the Word is God, john 1:1 +++
but men knew him not, and you still know Him not


Joh 1:5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not

If Jesus have sons, That makes him the Father . is Jesus the Father?

So son of God means Son of Jesus , Then Jesus is son of himself ? Jesus has no father since he is now the Father ?

The point: Jesus is not the source of creation . but beginning

solite3:
being a Son of God is not the same as been created by God it has to do bearing resemblance, relationship and special status or privileges just as a son has to a father.

A son has a beginning . undisputed Fact.

Now lets go back to the main issue on source : If Jesus is the source of creation, Why Is No one called " Sons of Jesus " . ??

Matthew 5:45 "
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. "

Isnt it clear who is the source ?

solite3:
No sir it wouldnt, saying all things was created through Jesus is to give us more information of how it was done.






You should answer those questions

So nothing was Created through the Father ? U mean the bible lied ?

Barristter07:


A son has a beginning . undisputed Fact.

Now lets go back to the main issue on source : If Jesus is the source of creation, Why Is No one called " Sons of Jesus " . ??

Matthew 5:45 "
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. "

Isnt it clear who is the source ?

The trinity doctrine has boxed him into a corner which he cannot escape.

solite3:

Yes

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my
judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the
will of the Father which hath sent me.

Jesus is saying to us that he can do nothing without the father and that includes creation.

Barristter07:


If Jesus have sons, That makes him the Father . is Jesus the Father?

lie lie™ barrister

oh duh duh duh, once again, Jesus is the word
Father and the Word is God, john 1:1
God(Father and the Word), made man:

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Barristter07:
So son of God means Son of Jesus ,

such a confused one, you mean: sons(plural) of God means sons of Jesus,
sons of God means just that: sons of God(Father and the Word is God)

Barristter07:
Then Jesus is son of himself ?

unbelievable confusion

Barristter07:
Jesus has no father since he is now the Father ?

again unbelievable confusion

Barristter07:
The point: Jesus is not the source of creation . but beginning

the truth: God(Father and the Word) is the source of creation

nothing was created without Jesus:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

in your case lie lie, that should be: For God is not the author of "extreme confusion"

Barristter07:


A son has a beginning . undisputed Fact.

how duh can one be, Jesus had a beginning as a man

lie lie™ barrister, so as to not cause you further confusion, i'm not replying for anyone else
who may believe diffrently to me, i am replying just for me

Barristter07:
Now lets go back to the main issue on source : If Jesus is the source of creation, Why Is No one called " Sons of Jesus " . ??

of course God(Father and the word) is the source of creation
as to your confusion about "sons of Jesus" it's been clearly explained to you
although i know that nothing is clear to you, by the way Jesus the man never had any flesh offspring

Barristter07:
Matthew 5:45 "
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. "

Isnt it clear who is the source ?

yes it's clear, but not to you, of course we are sons of the Father
we are sons of God
God is Father and the Word, john 1:1

Jesus is coming = God is coming:
Act 1:11  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

the Word of God is coming:
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

God is coming:
1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

^^^ all talking about the same event, Jesus - the Word of God - God, is coming

blueAgent:



You are joker, you are trying to make God a lair.

If you cannot believe the scriptures then I cannot help you

Barristter07:


A son has a beginning . undisputed Fact.

Now lets go back to the main issue on source : If Jesus is the source of creation, Why Is No one called " Sons of Jesus " . ??

Matthew 5:45 "
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. "

Isnt it clear who is the source ?

Jesus is the source of God's creation Rev 3vv14.
Colossians 1vv16, says he created all things
John 1 says without him nothing can be created which was created.
This makes Jesus the source of creation and himself uncreated.
Being called the sons of God is base on relationship with the father and bearing his image. Animals are not called sons of God although they God's creation but they have not the image of God and do not have such relationship as a son to a father.
So being a Son to God is not the same as been created by him.

Barristter07:




So nothing was Created through the Father ? U mean the bible lied ?

show me where it was written that all things were created through the father.

blueAgent:



John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my
judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the
will of the Father which hath sent me.

Jesus is saying to us that he can do nothing without the father and that includes creation.

being dependent on the father does not indicate inferiority but loyalty.
Jesus became a servant according to phil 2 on his own will. Do you expect a good servant to be on his own will? Jesus and his father are united in one purpose and will.

solite3:
being dependent on the father does not indicate inferiority but loyalty.
Jesus became a servant according to phil 2 on his own will. Do you expect a good servant to be on his own will? Jesus and his father are united in one purpose and will.

No one said Jesus is inferior by nature to his father. but the fact remains that Jesus been Son of God is not Co-equal to God becos he owes his existence to the father.

solite3:
If you cannot believe the scriptures then I cannot help you

Which scripture?

You deny the word of God that proves that God and his son are 2 different personalities and you are here claiming scripture said.

blueAgent:



No one said Jesus is inferior by nature to his father. but the fact remains that Jesus been Son of God is not Co-equal to God becos he owes his existence to the father.

@ bold if Jesus is equal to the father by his nature then they are coequal.
Do you know the meaning of ones nature?

God is not created by nature
God is Almighty, omnipotent, omnipresent and infinite by nature
If Jesus Jesus and his father are equal by nature.
It means Jesus is equally uncreated, Almighty, inifinte,omnipotent, omnipresent just as his father else he would be inferior to the father.

There is absolutely no where in the bible where Jesus is said to be a creation of God but instead without him nothing created can exist.