einsteine:
Mao Zedong was a disaster, at least economically.

His Great leap Forward led to the death of hundreds of millions of people.

China was also an extremely poor country during his reign.

It was poor under his reign because he was working with reference to the future and not the present, something our leaders are incapable of doing

The fact is that he modernised China into the world power that it is today

Acidosis:



With President Momodu Buhari in power, Nigerians cannot be regarded as a group of smart people.

Funny u

I don't know how we always come up with some unverifiable facts.. Most times we Africans say we are the ones that live longer the most even though it's scientifically proven that Asians age slower than any other race

OnyeOgboni:
This is the best thread I have seen this year..it is worthy of a debate.we need to ask questions..with all our "smartness" why no development??

. Yes, I think it is poor leadership.. Irrespective of the group you are leading.

KIDfurniture:
Corruption , greed , wickedness and selfish interest will keep this country stagnant . How can one person steal 60 billion naira?

To pay off all the sinister entities that bullied, stole and touted for them to get into power in the first place

A lot of the money they steal is to protect their lives

justbusy:
Check out all the developed countries, and tell me the one which Govt did not play a pivotal role in its developmental process!

Govt play a role in just regulations

Do you know that in the US, Govt didnt build the railway, it was business men that build the railways

there is a reasons why the US is the most advanced country in the world, for the past years they been the top economy in the world, europe is more older than america but havent had a robust economy like te US because of he system they practice

we need to take clue from the US, singapore, and hongkong, these countries have no govt interference in trade, the only function of govt is regulation, that is why they are very successful.

Blackvic1:
thank you very much I even got tired trying to reply him we need to start accepting something is really wrong and try to work on it I don’t believe in diving the country South Sudan did it and they are still struggling btw I am Igbo

Some of these people and their mentality are why we are here today, cutting corners for selfish reasons. The average Nigerian barely thinks about the future, execept about today and about self. And in that lies the grand folly, because by destroying the future it is "self" and 'self' alone we do the disservice.


I'm Edo.

[quote author=Blackvic1 post=82864157]thank you very much I even got tired trying to reply him we need to start accepting something is really wrong and try to work on it I don’t believe in diving the country South Sudan did it and they are still struggling btw I am Igbo [/quot

There is only one answer to this behemoth of a question:

Greed (and its siblings: selfishness, self-centeredness, me-syndrome)

Until we realize how Oil income killed us and raised our SELFISHNESS to unprecedented level, why Nkrumah Cocoa Embargo failed and why Ednut got a loan for 3% outside against 22% at home, you will not know why Nigerians will remain chest beaters with foreign currencies made of toilet papers in exchange for everything you've got and more.

tundeb303:


Thats it. It is just what it is. Maybe its genetic.Meanwhile,
You're lucky to be out. I dream of that everyday.

thats the best thing that will happen to you just try and learn a skill and the sky will be your limit here every system works i just wish our country can get its shit together and make things work because everyday we are loosing our best minds everyday to the west and all our youths are concerned about is naira marley Tonto Dike and BBN look at Hongkong just a little policy everyone came out to protest for months now, our leaders knows we can’t try it we have accepted the rubbish they dish out to us everyday look at senators saying they deserve cars worth billions whereas here senators buy there own car or you drive your predecessors car

midnighter:


It was poor under his reign because he was working with reference to the future and not the present, something our leaders are incapable of doing

The fact is that he modernised China into the world power that it is today

Mao didnt modernised china, he was sidelined when he didnt want reforms, Deng Xiaoping modernised and reformed China

thebosstrevor:


Govt play a role in just regulations

Do you know that in the US, Govt didnt build the railway, it was business men that build the railways

there is a reasons why the US is the most advanced country in the world, for the past years they been the top economy in the world, europe is more older than america but havent had a robust economy like te US because of he system they practice

we need to take clue from the US, singapore, and hongkong, these countries have no govt interference in trade, the only function of govt is regulation, that is why they are very successful.

if you try to tar the road in your neigbourhood the lga chairman way stop or ask for money. Per our constitution rails are in concurrent list. Only fg and state governments can deal

tundeb303:


Some of these people and their mentality are why we are here today, cutting corners for selfish reasons. The average Nigerian barely thinks about the future, execept about today and about self. And in that lies the grand folly, because by destroying the future it is "self" and 'self' alone we do the disservice.


I'm Edo.

its nice to meet you and it’s people like you that this country needs because all this people ranting will do worse if they are given the same opportunity I wonder how this politicians travel to this foreign countries and see how beautiful , organized and serene they are still come back and still in a hell hole country and still feel comfortable in it that’s dumbness to me

thebosstrevor:


Govt play a role in just regulations

Do you know that in the US, Govt didnt build the railway, it was business men that build the railways

there is a reasons why the US is the most advanced country in the world, for the past years they been the top economy in the world, europe is more older than america but havent had a robust economy like te US because of he system they practice

we need to take clue from the US, singapore, and hongkong, these countries have no govt interference in trade, the only function of govt is regulation, that is why they are very successful.

So, you mean that: in The US, Public utilities are built by individuals!

Nigerians need to start exploring the opportunities in their immediate communities. We should not wait for the Government. Collectively this will bring about spontaneous development.

GidiWoodsMan:


Didn't Britain also fight two world wars? Russia's system of government was (and remains) their number one handicap. Same with all their former satellite states on the continent.

british fought a lot of wars but they are thriving today because of there colonialism.... they have proxies in all the countries they colonized ie Nigeria , Hongkong, India/Pakistan, Australia,American you would know that majority of people in America today were once Brits, and they have a good tax system but most importantly the proxies they’ve successful built with there colonialism which is called imperialism so you should know they are still ruling there colonial subjects indirectly that on its own is smartness a dumb country can’t achieve that

SmartyPants:


Does your postulation bear out in reality? The hundreds of wealthy leaders who stole, both known and unknown, are they not living very comfortably?

The system is designed to enable thievery, so a smart thief under such a system knows that he does not need to keep a low profile to be safe, but rather needs the right political connections. Under such circumstances, a smart thief would steal as much as he can, and then maintain his safety by politicking and bribery.

The postulation in its entirety is illuatrative and merely comparing the wisdom between the two parties.


As for our present day politicians the stupidity of their so called smart moves is much more grander and lingering and resonating. It lies Is in not just the fact that they will still ride on these roads they refuse to repair or repair properly. They fly abroad to treat themselves instead of reforming health.or more

But much more in the fact that a person steals billions of Naira, when in the end he will not even eat half a quarter of it before he dies, he is not smart enough of to see the vanity in it. I mean who steals a billion dollars? Its why i said majority of so called educated Nigerians are just certificate holders, if not someone will not steal a billion dollars, only to end up not spending half of it before leaving the world, so that it can go back to earth and others.


If we do things right we can all collectively enjoy all these, even better, but alas, forsight of the future is what most Nigerians lack.

And lack of forsight is the major feature of the dumb and mentally blind. No?

thebosstrevor:


i still dont get it is the government the reason why Nigeria cant not develop?

Logic will be, if Nigerians are smart then they will have smart people in power to lead them

N.B: i dont believe that government interference is the solution to all problems

my brother you're very correct government or corruption is not the problem, we are not just smart after all. oyibo man that built ship to travel down to African shore and discover Africa, discover river Niger and most African river should tell u they are smart, its just the simple truth, their being smart didn't start today. even in your classroom u find our that some students are smarter than others, that how the world is too. if Nigerian or Africans are smart by now we would have been producing somethings ourselves. china, Malaysia, India all copied from what Westerners produced and even improve on them. we don't have the "technical know how". we don't know how to do it - simple, no. at least we were taught that in school. government or corruption will not stop an invention from scaling through, just as some individuals are talented in music or football, has government or corruption stop them from succeeding? No! so the solution just as we were taught in school is to focus in areas we have comparative advantage, especially in the real sector of economy like Agriculture, that will at least reduce unemployment and poverty. before d white men introduced civilization, industrialization, and capitalism, there was nothing like unemployment, reason: everyone was farming. peasant farming.

femi4:
how will you arrive at a solid foundation without righteousness. A smart engineer with dubious craftsmen working together will end up with a shaky building . The smart engineer is not the one mixing cement and sharp sand together. He gives directive, he doesn't execute them

Good question. Having worked on at least 4 sites, I'll say this: Supervision is 100 times more reliable than hope or trust. Even a saint will get tempted and steal if he knows that he can steal 1 billion naira and get away with it.

Our country's entire system is built on the hope that one GOOD or RIGHTEOUS person would come and change everything. If we keep waiting for a messiah, we'll wait 2 thousand years like Christians have been waiting for Christ.

Did you know that Norway has approximately one trillion sixty-four billion five hundred sixty-six million seven hundred thirty-four thousand eight hundred twenty-nine dollars in oil savings? 1 trillion in oil savings?

Can you believe that even though I'm not a Norwegian, I can find out how many countries their government has invested in, the companies and the amount? I know they have 12 investments in Nigeria worth an approximated 87 million USD - access bank, guiness, gtb, nestle, stanbic. uba, unilever...

https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/holdings/holdings-as-at-31.12.2018/?fullsize=true


That is a simple example of what I'm talking about. I don't need permission, approval from any potential vagabond that can deny access to information on pretext of national security to access the information.

I want all Nigerians to be able to find out how much their local government chairman, senators, governors... earns, what they spend on every project and to whom, what competing contractors bid....

I want to easily find out how much they all earned before becoming service, the worth of family members, before, during and after their service.

And I mean without going through any gate keeper who can deny access on pretext of national security. Why should I have to be a journalist before finding these things out?

I mean, I know how much Trump earns, and can easily find out what any MP in Britain earns. But for 9ja?

You know what? I'm very trust worthy. As you can see, I write very good English so I must be quite educated and knowledgeable. Lemme send you my bank account. Borrow me 100k and I'll give you 50k interest at the end of the month.

That's what Buhari, Atiku, Sanwo Olu's promises are worth - absolutely nothing. I'm sorry, it adds billions of naira to their pocket.

thebosstrevor:


Mao didnt modernised china, he was sidelined when he didnt want reforms, Deng Xiaoping modernised and reformed China

Yes, and his ideas for China's self reliance and industrialisation are what underlies their behaviour till this present day

His plans didnt work but his idea still lives

Whats ideas does Buhari have for us in 100 years time?

justbusy:
So, you mean that: in The US, Public utilities are built by individuals!

yes Florida was built single handedly by rockerfeller with Cleveland, JP Morgan the famous JP Morgan chase bank single handedly built the rail road in America today I can go on and on please be well informed

tosyne2much:
Funny u

I don't know how we always come up with some unverifiable facts.. Most times we Africans say we are the ones that live longer the most even though it's scientifically proven that Asians age slower than any other race

It's one of those lies we tell ourselves Others include;

1. Nigerians believe we've the best footballers in the world (NFF is just yet to come up with a great team, since 1960)

2. Best and strongest army in the world (I laugh in nuclear powers )

3. The worst set is those that see Nigeria as the richest country in the world (haq haq haq )

Nigeria no even follow the list of 20 richest natural resource countries in the world

Majority are yet to unlearn some of the lies they learnt from Geography and Social study teachers.

ednut1:
china was a wasteland that a small japan was bullying and beating in wars. Mao zedond and co later made it what it is. Dubai was a fishing outpost ask mansour family how far. The former libya by ghadaffi too. There is no light in nigeria is it you and i that will build dams or nuclear plants Is it you and i that will provide world class universities or roads Wake up

Who elected or rigged election for these people you are talking about? Not the people?

Same Nigerians using their money to vote Tacha

Blackvic1:
its nice to meet you and it’s people like you that this country needs because all this people ranting will do worse if they are given the same opportunity I wonder how this politicians travel to this foreign countries and see how beautiful , organized and serene they are still come back and still in a hell hole country and still feel comfortable in it that’s dumbness to me

Thanks and the pleasure is mine.

Like i said the country is designed for the dumb to thrive. Look around our A list celebrities are a bunch of brain dead pips. We have a President who my not know if there is even anything called a solar system or a galaxy.
Our constitution is outdated.

I once cringed with shame, when someone said all the back benchers and dullards back in school are the ones occupying top.positions in government and society today. And he said so feeling proud. But it was pain and shame i felt. Doubly for the fact that he was proud to say his leaders are dumb fellows.
So the contraption is for the dumb and happily so.

Fidelismaria:
Only 0.003% Nigerians are smart and they are endangered

thank you very much

tiwiex:


I like the question he posed. And it's actually worth discussing.

I think he refers to Nigerians who have left the country and have excelled in various fields. Yes, Nigerians are smart. The question is which side of the country produces most of these great stories? I leave you to answer.

The answer tells you which Nigerians are in quest of progress, knowledge and development.

Unfortunately we run a system that will never be productive or competitive. I described it recently as a communist government structure allowing some level of capitalism across board. Unfortunately, government provides public goods and since they seem to be communist in their administrative composition, nothing gets done. The regions have been stifled from growing at their own pace.

I hear there are plans to integrate the Almajiri system into our educational system. What does that even mean? We operate the system like a cook trying to prepare vegetarian meal and non-vegetarian meal inside one pot. Is that even possible?

Teaser: what's the opposite of vegetarian?

The more you look, the less you see. I almost agree with every argument on this thread until I read this.

thebosstrevor:
Nigerians always say they are one of the smartest people in the world, they boast and beat their chest that they are so intelligent and smart and nobody can beat a Nigerian, but then again with all these bragging, Nigeria is not developed and cant boast of a middle class

My question to you Nigerian Folks, if Nigerians are one of the smartest in the world, why isnt Nigeria developed? pls do not mention bad government, i am tired of hearing that.

You are tired of hearing "bad government" then why did you bring the question here? JUST GOOGLE THE ECONOMIES OF THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES AND EVALUATE THE IMPACTS THEIR VARIOUS GOVERNMENTS PLAY THEN COME BACK TO EDIT YOUR POST.

Acidosis:


It's one of those lies we tell ourselves Others include;

1. Nigerians believe we've the best footballers in the world (NFF is just yet to come up with a great team, since 1960)

2. Best and strongest army in the world (I laugh in nuclear powers )

3. The worst set is those that see Nigeria as the richest country in the world (haq haq haq )

Nigeria no even follow the list of 20 richest natural resource countries in the world

Majority are yet to unlearn some of the lies they learnt from Geography and Social study teachers.

Hahaha

You forgot to add "Nigerian soldiers are the best on land


"We are the third best movie producers in the world"

tundeb303:


The postulation in its entirety is illuatrative and merely comparing the wisdom between the two parties.


As for our present day politicians the stupidity of their so called smart moves is much more grander and lingering and resonating. It lies Is in not just the fact that the will still ride on these roads the refuse to repair or repair properly. They fly abroad to treat themselves instead of reforming health.or more

But much more in the fact that a person steals billions of Naira, when in the end he will not even eat half a quarter of it before he dies, he is not smart enough of to see the vanity in it. I mean who steals a billion dollars? It while i said majority of so called educated Nigerian are just certificate holders, if not someone will not steal a billion dollars, only to end up not spending half of it before leaving the world, so that it can go back to earth and others.


If will do things right we can all collectively enjoy all these, even better, but alas, forsight of the future is what most Nigerian lack.

And lack of forsight is the major feature of the dumb and mentally blind. No?

You make very good points but like I said, it is about the system. It is classic game theory. A smart and unscrupulous person thrown into Nigeria's current political and government environment says to himself,

"if i don't steal someone else will."

You see what we face in Nigeria is not that we do not have foresight, it is that we do not have the natural sense of patriotism that comes when a Nation is united at its core.

vezycash:


Good question. Having worked on at least 4 sites, I'll say this: Supervision is 100 times more reliable than hope or trust. Even a saint will get tempted and steal if he knows that he can steal 1 billion naira and get away with it.

Our country's entire system is built on the hope that one GOOD or RIGHTEOUS person would come and change everything. If we keep waiting for a messiah, we'll wait 2 thousand years like Christians have been waiting for Christ.

Did you know that Norway has approximately one trillion sixty-four billion five hundred sixty-six million seven hundred thirty-four thousand eight hundred twenty-nine dollars in oil savings? 1 trillion in oil savings?

Can you believe that even though I'm not a Norwegian, I can find out how many countries their government has invested in, the companies and the amount? I know they have 12 investments in Nigeria worth an approximated 87 million USD - access bank, guiness, gtb, nestle, stanbic. uba, unilever...

https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/holdings/holdings-as-at-31.12.2018/?fullsize=true


That is a simple example of what I'm talking about. I don't need permission, approval from any potential vagabond that can deny access to information on pretext of national security to access the information.

I want all Nigerians to be able to find out how much their local government chairman, senators, governors... earns, what they spend on every project and to whom, what competing contractors bid....

I want to easily find out how much they all earned before becoming service, the worth of family members, before, during and after their service.

And I mean without going through any gate keeper who can deny access on pretext of national security. Why should I have to be a journalist before finding these things out?

I mean, I know how much Trump earns, and can easily find out what any MP in Britain earns. But for 9ja?

You know what? I'm very trust worthy. As you can see, I write very good English so I must be quite educated and knowledgeable. Lemme send you my bank account. Borrow me 100k and I'll give you 50k interest at the end of the month.

That's what Buhari, Atiku, Sanwo Olu's promises are worth - absolutely nothing. I'm sorry, it adds billions of naira to their pocket.

The popular saying goes "The more you look, the less you see"

How do you supervise six people working together to dupe you. Even the woman selling cement was included in their plan. There is liitle that can be achieve if the ratio of unrighteousness to righteousness is on the high side.

Bad behaviour is like a virus, it spreads easily

Blackvic1:
yes Florida was built single handedly by rockerfeller with Cleveland, JP Morgan the famous JP Morgan chase bank single handedly built the rail road in America today I can go on and on please be well informed

Bro, the role of Govt as regards Nation-building, transcends mere regulation! Extreme regulation stifles economic growth, which in turn, creates a domino effect on economic development! The Govt controls the commanding heights of the economy! Note: Total capitalism exists nowhere in the world! Quote me anywhere! I wish other intellectuals would come in!

thebosstrevor:


i still dont get it is the government the reason why Nigeria cant not develop?

Logic will be, if Nigerians are smart then they will have smart people in power to lead them

N.B: i dont believe that government interference is the solution to all problems

Lol, have you heard the phrase; if the people are in govt the world will be a better place. Smartness Is Not Greatness