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I ve got my hands on the Complete Books. Thanks to the linls yall sent.



I am currently hook on the topic of the Nephilim. I am trying to understand this.

Perphaps, @Riyadgoddess, @OKCornel, you can help shed light on this. If the Watchers , those that came down to sleep with earthly women and those that taught the early earth inhabitants things like iron forging and stuff, were banished from heaven by God....my question is....where they cast into Lucifer's domain or somewhere else?

Secondly, Is there a possiblity of such rebellion in heaven again, how many must have occurred prior or after that of the Watchers? I thought that after the rebeliion by Lucifer (that is if it is the first), their punishment would have taught the heavenly beings a lesson of sorts.

Is God so democratic, that he allows these angels to rebel at their whim deems fit?

What made Enoch so special that God revealed stuff to him?

nijabazaar:
I ve got my hands on the Complete Books. Thanks to the linls yall sent.



I am currently hook on the topic of the Nephilim. I am trying to understand this.

Perphaps, @Riyadgoddess, @OKCornel, you can help shed light on this. If the Watchers , those that came down to sleep with earthly women and those that taught the early earth inhabitants things like iron forging and stuff, were banished from heaven by God....my question is....where they cast into Lucifer's domain or somewhere else?

The fate of the watchers prior to the final judgment, you have that of Azazel, then that of Semjaza and the others;


For Azazel, it's in Enoch 10 v 4-6;
4. And again, the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness and split open the desert, which is in Dudael and cast him in.
5. And fill the hole by covering him with rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him live there forever, and cover his face that he may not see the light.
6. And on the day of the great judgment, he shall be hurled into the fire.



For Semjaza and the other angels it's in Enoch 10 v 11-12;
11. And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go bind Semjaza and his team who have associated with women and have defiled themselves in all their uncleanness.
12. When their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations under the hills of the earth, until the day of the consummation of their judgment and until the eternal judgment is accomplished.'



You can reconcile Enoch 10 v 4-6 and Enoch 10 v 11-12 with Jude 1 v 6;
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
'

nijabazaar:

Secondly, Is there a possiblity of such rebellion in heaven again, how many must have occurred prior or after that of the Watchers? I thought that after the rebeliion by Lucifer (that is if it is the first), their punishment would have taught the heavenly beings a lesson of sorts.

Is God so democratic, that he allows these angels to rebel at their whim deems fit?

What made Enoch so special that God revealed stuff to him?

As long as those spirits (i.e. angels) can make choices, of course the possibility exists. They are fully aware of the consequence of any choice that comes with walking outside God's will and instructions, just like their mates that aligned with Lucifer in the rebellion that affected one-third of the hosts of heaven, and the other ones that abandoned their duty post to lust after the daughters of men.

They can make choices, and they know the consequence of such choosing to rebel. They'd be foolish to tow the path of Lucifer and his team, OR that of Azazel, Semjaza and their cohorts, after seeing the punishment in store for them.

The possibility of another rebellion cannot be ruled out, but I reckon the chances of such repeating itself would be highly negligible....in my opinion.

OkCornel:


The fate of the watchers prior to the final judgment, you have that of Azazel, then that of Semjaza and the others;


For Azazel, it's in Enoch 10 v 4-6;
4. And again, the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness and split open the desert, which is in Dudael and cast him in.
5. And fill the hole by covering him with rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him live there forever, and cover his face that he may not see the light.
6. And on the day of the great judgment, he shall be hurled into the fire.



For Semjaza and the other angels it's in Enoch 10 v 11-12;
11. And the Lord said to Michael: 'Go bind Semjaza and his team who have associated with women and have defiled themselves in all their uncleanness.
12. When their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations under the hills of the earth, until the day of the consummation of their judgment and until the eternal judgment is accomplished.'



You can reconcile Enoch 10 v 4-6 and Enoch 10 v 11-12 with Jude 1 v 6;
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
'





As long as those spirits (i.e. angels) can make choices, of course the possibility exists. They are fully aware of the consequence of any choice that comes with walking outside God's will and instructions, just like their mates that aligned with Lucifer in the rebellion that affected one-third of the hosts of heaven, and the other ones that abandoned their duty post to lust after the daughters of men.

They can make choices, and they know the consequence of such choosing to rebel. They'd be foolish to tow the path of Lucifer and his team, OR that of Azazel, Semjaza and their cohorts, after seeing the punishment in store for them.

The possibility of another rebellion cannot be ruled out, but I reckon the chances of such repeating itself would be highly negligible....in my opinion.

Very lucid. Thank you.

nijabazaar:


Very lucid. Thank you.

You're welcome

nijabazaar:
I ve got my hands on the Complete Books. Thanks to the linls yall sent.
I am currently hook on the topic of the Nephilim. I am trying to understand this.

The book of Enoch and other variants of it, are best flushed down the toilet, where they belong. If you start, you won't last five minutes into reading the book, before you'll shove it away, from finding the content, being ludicrous and a waste of even idle time.

The book of Enoch was written by the person self styling himself as Enoch. It is not different to the Otum series, done by our own resident "Enoch" version guy here, on Nairaland

nijabazaar:
Perphaps, @Riyadgoddess, @ỌKCornel, you can help shed light on this. If the Watchers, those that came down to sleep with earthly women and those that taught the early earth inhabitants things like iron forging and stuff, were banished from heaven by God....my question is....where they cast into Lucifer's domain or somewhere else?

Secondly, Is there a possiblity of such rebellion in heaven again, how many must have occurred prior or after that of the Watchers? I thought that after the rebeliion by Lucifer (that is if it is the first), their punishment would have taught the heavenly beings a lesson of sorts.

Is God so democratic, that he allows these angels to rebel at their whim deems fit?

What made Enoch so special that God revealed stuff to him?

Except from the Book of Enoch, where in the Bible, where else, have you read that God revealed stuff to Enoch nijabazaar?

MuttleyLaff:
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budäatum, a mere read of the above and especially taking notice of the red underlines should enlighten you, perhaps

budäatum, please when discussing the genuineness of the Book of Enoch, please learn to quote from the Bible and reference the scripture directly, as opposed to quickly finding and taking solace in this accursed Book of Enoch

Also please stop this prooftexting bad habit you've taken a shine to and employed to use on this thread

nijabazaar, you'll be absolutely spot on and right to acknowledge that Jude, in his letter, (i.e. Jude 1:3-4) was warning about individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago that have secretly slipped in among the believers, and that these are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord, but most importantly, the missing part of the whole Book of Enoch jigsaw puzzle nijabazaar and that great missing jigsaw puzzle piece most people usually ignore and/or leave out, is about the issue of circulating myths, which are combinations of old wives' tales, fables, made-up stories, fiction from creative and imaginative writing, fake news, alternative fact, fairy tale, exagerrated made-up stories, like that of the fictional prose first century bestseller literature, that the Book of Enoch is.

Continuing from Jude 1:4, nijabazaar are you aware or better still, did you notice that Jude in Jude 1:4 (i.e. with saying, For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ) was actually quoting Apostle Peter, hmm? By this, I mean, Jude was with Jude 1:4, quoting Apostle Peter's 2 Peter 2:1-2, yeah?

nijabazaar, do you see the slight variation and/or edit to 2 Peter 2:1-2, that Jude made when he referenced 2 Peter 2:1-2, with his Jude 1:4 version of event, hmm?

"¹Now there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies that even deny the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.
²Many will follow in their depravity, and because of them the way of truth will be defamed."
- 2 Peter 2:1-2

"³Beloved, although I made every effort to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt it necessary to write and urge you to contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints.
⁴For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
- Jude 1:3-4

nijabazaar, did you notice how Jude, in Jude 1:4 switched from Peter's 2 Peter 2:1 writing, that the false teachers were coming, to him Jude now writing that the false teachers etcetera had arrived.

nijabazaar, also did you importantly notice in Jude 1:8, how Jude mentioned how these false teachers with their fabled stories were slandering angels and/or heaping abuse on celestial beings, hmm? Compare with 2 Peter 2:10 too.

2 Peter 2:11, was saying, angels, although much greater (i.e. than these false teachers), do not dare bring an accusation against each other celestial beings, and Jude 1:9 corroborates this even with saying, Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, only saying to the devil, “The Lord punish you!,” meanwhile, these false teachers have the gall to falsely accuse angels of sexually sleeping with female human beings.

Peter and Jude said, these charges made, are human slander against heavenly beings, and that real angels would never make any such accusations to each other or otherwise. In short, angels themselves do not get involved in making false spoken statement(s) damaging to each other's reputation. This is aside from the fact that angels dont do sex and Jesus emphatically saying that angels dont get married.

¹And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth.
². And they said one to another: 'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their crying up to the gates of heaven.
³ And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High.
⁴. And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings,〈and God of the ages〉, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages!
⁵. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee.
⁶. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn:
⁷. And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates.
⁸. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins.
⁹. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness.
¹⁰. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth.
¹¹. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these
- Book of Enoch 9:1-11

². And behold, the names of those Angels: – The first of them is Semjaza, and the second Artaqifa, and the third Armen, and the fourth Kokabiel, and the fifth Turiel, and the sixth Ramiel, and the seventh Daniel, and the eighth Nuqael, and the ninth Baraqiel, and the tenth Azazel, and the eleventh Armaros, the twelfth Batriel, the thirteenth Basasael, the fourteenth Ananel, the fifteenth Turiel, the sixteenth Samsiel, the seventeenth Yetarel, the eighteenth Tumiel, the nineteenth Turiel, the twentieth Rumiel, the twenty-first Azazel.
³. And these are the chiefs of their Angels, and the names of the leaders of hundreds, and their leaders of fifties, and their leaders of tens.
⁴. The name of the first is Yequn; this is the one who led astray all the children of the Holy Angels, and he brought them down onto the dry ground, and led them astray through the daughters of men.
⁵. And the name of the second is Asbeel; this one suggested an evil plan to the children of the Holy Angels, and led them astray, so that they corrupted their bodies with the daughters of men.
⁶. And the name of the third is Gadreel; this is the one that showed all the deadly blows to the sons of men. And he led astray Eve. And he showed the weapons of death to the children of men, the shield and the breastplate, and the sword for slaughter, and all the weapons of death to the sons of men.
⁷. And from his hand they have gone out against those who dwell the dry ground from that time and forever and ever.
⁸. And the name of the fourth is Penemue; this one showed the sons of men the bitter and the sweet and showed them all the secrets of their wisdom.
⁹. He taught men the art of writing with ink and paper, and through this many have gone astray, from eternity to eternity, and to this day.
¹⁰. For men were not created for this, that they should confirm their faith like this, with pen and ink.
- Book of Enoch 69:2-10

From the above, at least Book of Enoch 9:1-11 quote for starters, and according to Enoch, the star fictitious character from this "the Book of Enoch", apparently Michael and three other archangels, accused Semjaza and Azazel of going into the daughters of men upon the earth, and sleeping with the women, but on the flip side and according to Peter's testimony, angels (i.e. Michael, Uriel, Raphael and Gabriel etcetera) do not dare bring accusations as ludicrous as this against each other celestial beings, and even Jude added that, Michael would not dare accuse the devil himself. So, in short, and on the strength of the assertions of Peter and Jude, the story, in the Book of Enoch 9:1-11, of Michael, making an accusation against those two angels is false. Now, if the story of the accusation is false then equally false so, is the story of the angels' sexual sin. The evidence is piling up against the Book of Enoch to be a best-selling work of fiction of a first century "Dan Brown" The Book of Enoch is littered with so many Book of Enoch 69:2-10 mumbo-jumbo that are readily and easily observed, noticed and/or seen. Too many to much mention nijabazaar.

nijabazaar, did you further notice, what Jude said about these men, in Jude 1:10 that, "Whatever these people do not understand, they slander. " and that "Like animals, which are creatures of instinct, they use whatever they know to destroy themselves, they do whatever their instincts tell them, and so they bring about their own destruction." Fyi, they circulate stories that nephilims being angels, celestial beings, had sexual intercourse with female human beings and ended up married to them? Compare with 2 Peter 2:12

nijabazaar, did you notice how Jude or Peter, never quoted anywhere in the Bible, like Genesis, for instance, of any example of any angel(s) sleeping with women?

Listen nijabazaar, let me put my cards on the table, straight faced up open for you with these comments to see:
1/ Angels are not what are called the sons of God.
2/ Angels did not have sexual intercourse with female human beings.
3/ Angels did not marry the daughters of men.
4/ The Enoch featured in the Book of Enoch, is not either of the Enochs nor is he the same Enoch, the patriarch mentioned in Genesis, Exodus, 1 Chronicles, Luke or Hebrews

Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1 v 14 - 15;

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.



THIS SIMILARITY IS JUST TOO GLARING TO IGNORE


And one book was definitely written before the other! Many more findings coming up.

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I laugh in "Book of Enoch" Smh.

Muttley and his funny gifs


I laugh in “your God has nothing against homosexuality per se” too... smh

MuttleyLaff:
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I laugh in "Book of Enoch" Smh.

Going by ur arguments, If the angels were not the sons of God , who were the sons of God that came down to sleep with the earthly women then? Another branch of beings from the cosmos?

Why they specifically called sons of God if they werent angels?

Can you clarify?

I like the fact that you brought up the angle that - Angels dare not accuse another angel, Mike cant accuse Lucifer but still doesnt negate the fact that an action contrary to God's plan was comitted by the "Sons of God" of which the book of Genesis and Enouch alluded.

There is a possibility that the Book of Enoch might be the Dan Brown of the first Century....but there s no concrete proof, at least , from your argument, you did not present one. You can as well say that all the Dead Sea Scrolls (which the bulk of the Bible is based) is a collection of creative writting!

You pointed to sections in the book of Jude but then Jude could also be referring to other false fiction or creative writers other than The Booj of Enoch. I am not obstinate, just trying to get more precise logic, buttressing ur argument up there, from you.

I like this discussion

OkCornel:
Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.


Jude 1 v 14 - 15;

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.



THIS SIMILARITY IS JUST TOO GLARING TO IGNORE


And one book was definitely written before the other! Many more findings coming up.

Hmmmmm

nijabazaar:
Going by ur arguments...

Let me correct you. I dont do arguments sir. I only discuss what I know to be facts, if I am discussing opinions, I beforehand do announce I am or have advanced one

nijabazaar:
If the angels were not the sons of God, who were the sons of God that came down to sleep with the earthly women then?

Now that I have corrected your wrong perspective of me and have put the record straight, it is safe to say to you that the sons of God that came down to sleep with the earthly women then, were human beings, just as same as you and I

nijabazaar:
Another branch of beings from the cosmos?

Oh, c'mon now, stop being all of a sudden, you developed a funny bone and gone comical on me. Are you the 21st century Enoch? Maybe you're getting ready in authoring a 21st Book of Enoch version, hmm?

nijabazaar:
Why they specifically called sons of God if they werent angels?

Why is this misunderstanding always happening? nijabazaar, please can you provide proof beyond reasonable doubt and supporting with chapters and verses proving where or when the Bible showed that the sons of God are angels

nijabazaar:
Can you clarify?

Yes, I can clarify, but I wouldnt be doing the heavy liftings without you too, yourself raising not so much of a little finger, meaning you have to be prepared and ready to get your hands dirty, be ready and quick to give answers to questions asked you etcetera

nijabazaar:
There is a possibility that the Book of Enoch might be the Dan Brown of the first Century....but there is no concrete proof, at least you did not present one.

nijabazaar, I am now used to guys, like you've just done with this comment, who always use and play the "there is no concrete proof, at least you did not present one" card.

I usually do not oblige, because they're trying to force a disclosure, without having proved themselves and seen to be worthy enough to have that information exchange, but I am making an exception with you nijabazaar

nijabazaar, now in order that you dont charge me of not responding to your "... but there is no concrete proof, at least you did not present one" accusation, let me show you a few proofs that the book of Enoch, is a first century bestseller fantansy/fiction pack book.

1/ "... as it is written in the book of the law of Moses," - Joshua 8:31
2/ "... behold, it is written in the book of Jasher," - 2 Samuel 1:18
3/ "... as it is written in the law of Moses" - 2 Chronicles 23:18
4/ "... as it is written in the law of the LORD." - 2 Chronicles 31:3
5/ "... as it is written in the book of Moses" - 2 Chronicles 35:12
6/ "... as it is written in the book of this covenant," - 2 Kings 23:21
7/ "... as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God..." - Ezra 3:2
8/ "... as it is written in the law" - Nehemiah 10:36

1/ ".. But He answered and said, It is written," - Matthew 4:4
2/ "... Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." - Matthew 4:7
3/ "... Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad." - Matthew 26:31
4/ ""For," said Peter, "it is written in the Book of Psalms: "'May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "'May another take his place of leadership." - Acts 1:20
5/ " Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people" - Acts 23:5
6/ "Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”" - 1 Corinthians 2:9
7/ "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" - John 10:34
8/ "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." - Romans 9:13
9/ "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." - Hebrews 10:7
10/ "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." - 1 Peter 1:16

The first, one to eight above, is part of the remarkable proof, that whenever you're reading about texts or books of undisputed origin and not something like the nature of the Book of Enoch, you'll find the Bible or the prophets in the Old Testament making the connection with saying like "as it is written". Fraudulent books like the book of Enoch is deprived of this.

Equally in New Testament (i.e. the other one to ten listing) with the Johannine, Pauline or Petrine letters and even Jesus Christ too, you'll find in their letters and/or when discussing texts or books of undisputed origin and not something like the nature of the Book of Enoch, again use the familiar phrase or similar "as it is written".

nijabazaar, Jude nor Peter NEVER used "as it is written" when paraphrasing the Book of Enoch because it is a popular well known best selling fantansy/fiction book that was well circulated up to and around the first century. The Bible doesn't generally quote books of questionable and/or profane sources, like the Book of Enoch is, this is why the Bible too, never has "as it is written" or "... it is written" as a form of certification and accreditation of the book anywhere in the Bible. The book was never treated as being inspired by God and why so it wasnt ever authoritatively used or referenced.

nijabazaar:
You pointed to sections in the book of Jude but then Jude could also be referring to other false fiction or creative writers other than The Book of Enoch.

The Enoch featured in the Book of Enoch, is not the same Enoch mentioned in Genesis, Luke and Hebrews. How can we know this I hear you, ask under your breath, it is because no mention of Enoch in the entirety of the "The Book of Enoch" was made about him, in reference to being a man of faith (i.e. like as done with Hebrews 11:5) nor is there any reference to his genealogy (i.e. like as done in Luke 3:37), instead the book, obviously a work of fiction, made a complete glaring birth position order mistake when compared and contrasted with the two real Enoch of the Bible birth order position in their genealogies.

nijabazaar smh, may I have your attention, please? May I have your attention, please? Will the real Slim Shady Enoch please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Slim Shady Enoch please stand up? We're gonna have a problem here. Y'all act like you never know ... Lol, smh.

nijabazaar:
I am not obstinate, just trying to get more precise logic, buttressing ur argument up there, from you.

I know you arent playing difficult and this is why I felt inclined to intimate you with the "as it is written" above persuasion and to explain that Peter and Jude, only used the book of Enoch as source material and not in any shape or form endorsed it as scripture that is God-breathed.

nijabazaar:
I like this discussion

I love healthy, matured, meaningful, informative, educative and edifying discussions too.

Enoch Chapter 1 v 9;

And behold! He comes with ten thousand of His holy ones (saints) in order to execute judgment on all, to destroy all the ungodly (wicked ones), and to convict all flesh of their works of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.


Jude 1 v 14 - 15;
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

nijabazaar:
Hmmmmm

nijabazaar, never make the mistake of reading Bible verses in isolation. Context is King. If you dont contextually read Bible verses, then it means you're are reading biblical text out of context, and certainly will end up interpreting it under pretext. When people quote a bible text out of context, they are nine times out of ten, quoting it under pretext. As I've earlier said context is king, but if you read a text in isolation, my friend then, you're indulging in pretext and pretending yourself in getting understanding of the narrative, when you're not, like some others are doing all over this thread.

Of course, there is a similarity between 1 Enoch 1:9 and Jude 1:14-15. nijabazaar, if you're in the know, there isnt anything difficult to understand or impossible to explain about 1 Enoch 1:9.

Fyi, 1 Enoch 1:9 is a subset of 1 Enoch 1:1-9, which the author of the Book of Enoch, lifted off a part from Deuteronomy 33:2 and then embellished or dressed it up to make 1 Enoch 1:9, so the quote seen in 1 Enoch 1:9, was originally of course written by Moses, and no Enoch, not the fictitious one or real one

Now before going back to the matter of context is king and this in relation to Jude 1:14-15, fyi Jude 1:14, in the original bible text never said or used the words "prophesied of these". The correct rendering of what Jude wrote in Jude 1:14 is "prophesied to these" This is where context shows to be king. Who is Jude saying the fictitious Enoch prophesied to?. Why is Jude using the fictitious Enoch's words, like as if, he is to mocking some people, he is against with using them, hmm? Well here is where context is king comes into useful play, when you contextually read, starting from as far backwards as Jude 1:8-13, you will see who Jude was using Jude 1:14-15 to target and address. He turned the table on those false teachers and used in the same false book they believe in to damn them with readings from the book they are familiar with and believe in.

nijabazaar, I can write a book and more, further explaining the "mystery" between the similarity between 1 Enoch 1:9 and Jude 1:14-15, but I think so far will suffice, unless you reach out seeking more illumination about them, and besides, time isnt an ally or it will just be information overload, which I suspect, it already looks to be just that

EMILO2STAY, Maamin, budaatum...


Come and see plenty words from Muttley with absolutely no meaning at all.

Jude 1 v 6;

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Now further questions for those proposing the sons God to be the Sons of Seth

1) Which angels was Jude referring to in verse 6, and when did they leave their first estate?
2) If you say it is those angels that rebelled alongside Lucifer, shouldn't they all be in everlasting chains right now awaiting judgement? Shouldn't this earth be free from demons and evil spirits?


@nijabazaar, Muttley is of the opinion that the Sons of God are male descendants of Seth. Let's see how he responds with plenty words dodging the posers from Jude 1 v 6 up there.


@nijabazaar, did you also notice how your question on the authenticity of the deadsea scrolls (of which the book of Enoch is included) was subtly dodged in the response to you?

nijabazaar, the "sons of God" are human beings, have always been human beings and remains being only human beings. Not one moment have they ever being angels. Not in the book of Job, not anywhere else.

Enoch Chapter 15 v 1-7;

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Do not be afraid, Enoch you righteous man and scribe of righteousness.
2 Approach and hear my voice. Go and say to the Watchers of heaven, for whom you have come to intercede: "You should intercede for men, and not men for you."
3 Why and for what cause have you left the high, holy and eternal heaven, and had sex with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of the earth, and begotten (as your) sons?
4 Though you were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and as the children of men, you have lusted after flesh and blood like those who die and are killed.
5 This is why I have given men wives, that they might impregnate them, and have children by them, that deeds might continue on earth.
6 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, immortal for all generations of the world.
7 Therefore, I have not appointed wives for you; you are spiritual beings of heaven, and in heaven was your dwelling place.


Luke 20 v 34 - 36;

34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

MuttleyLaff:




Fyi, 1 Enoch 1:9 is a subset of 1 Enoch 1:1-9, which the author of the Book of Enoch, lifted off a part from Deuteronomy 33:2 and then embellished or dressed it up to make 1 Enoch 1:9, so the quote seen in 1 Enoch 1:9, was originally of course written by Moses, and no Enoch, not the fictitious one or real one

Now before going back to the matter of context is king and this in relation to Jude 1:14-15, fyi Jude 1:14, in the original bible text never said or used the words "prophesied of these". The correct rendering of what Jude wrote in Jude 1:14 is "prophesied to these" This is where context shows to be king. Who is Jude saying the fictitious Enoch prophesied to?. Why is Jude using the fictitious Enoch's words, like as if, he is to mocking some people, he is against with using them, hmm? Well here is where context is king comes into useful play, when you contextually read, starting from as far backwards as Jude 1:8-13, you will see who Jude was using Jude 1:14-15 to target and address. He turned the table on those false teachers and used in the same false book they believe in to damn them with readings from the book they are familiar wit

nijabazaar, I can write a book and more, further explaining the "mystery" between the similarity between 1 Enoch 1:9 and Jude 1:14-15, but I think so far will suffice, unless you reach out seeking more illumination about them, and besides, time isnt an ally or it will just be information overload, which I suspect, it already looks to be just that

It is not information overload, trust me, i am a programmer so I am used to looking at figures and long sentences...lol.

Thank you. I like your perpective and the way you illuminate with ur brushes. The key to understanding is to keep a very open mind.

OkCornel:
EMILO2STAY, Maamin, budaatum...


Come and see plenty words from Muttley with absolutely no meaning at all.

My brother I see am..as usual. Too many words but no message or single truth in it.

Maamin:


My brother I see am..as usual. Too many words but no message or single truth in it.

I think the guy is demented

Maamin:
My brother I see am..as usual. Too many words but no message or single truth in it.

If you want to hide information from someone like this guy et al, just put it in a post. They have trouble challenges with reading and understanding posts. They see and call them something like "... too many words but no message or single truth in it" or even have the cheek to call it "long Epistles." Smh. Eight months is long enough for bruises to get healed, I guess you've now come out of your self imposed extended winter hibernation for fresh bruises, after your sudden rapid AWOL exit (i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/5011271/said-angels-dont-sexual-feelings#75579172)

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had sexual relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown"
- Genesis 6:4 Berean Study Bible

The nephilims, were already on the earth in those days, meaning they already existed, before the sons of God began to have sexual relations with the daughters of men. The Bible in black and white doesnt not and cannot lie Maamin please.
↪ ➡ https://www.nairaland.com/5375336/nephilim-sons-god/6#82960951

Maamin, aside the glaring "korokoro, in your face" irrefutable evidence in Genesis 6:4 and the above quoted comment, fyi, it is only human beings who are made in the image of the Godhead and after the Godhead's likeness, not celestial beings and/or animals. Humans are what's called "sons of God", not animals and by extension, even not celestial beings also known as, angels too.

EMILO2STAY:
I think the guy is demented

"If we are demented "out of our mind," as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you
(i.e. If it seems we are demented crazy, it is to bring glory to God. And if we are in our right minds, it is for your benefit)"
- 2 Corinthians 5:13

EMILO2STAY, highlight and strongly underline my following words, you will retract all what you've said, you actually will and especially in an ignominy and embarrassing way, eat your words, when you "eventuarry" have the blinkers fall off and you then get the epiphany, after I am done with you and the "Holy Grail" subject matter of who really the "sons of God" are.

nijabazaar:
It is not information overload, trust me, i am a programmer so I am used to looking at figures and long sentences...lol.

You dont really know how how freshen it makes one feel, knowing that someone is paying attention, prepared to doing the Berean, get hands dirty from shifting and lifting, look under the bonnet etcetera and ready to take in.

nijabazaar, John 8:32 says, "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." but obviously, if people are sticking to bad and false teachings, then the truth can't set people free and John 8:32 becomes pie in the sky

Proverbs 4:7-9, effectively talks about knowledge, understanding and wisdom, where knowledge is, know information, data and/or the real truth from the Bible, understanding, is having insight to that knowledge, that gives an "aha" moment and then wisdom, is the application of what you've come to know and understand. One can only grow and mature spiritually by increasing ones knowledge, understanding and wisdom. If one doesnt, then obviously lack of growth or development of the trio knowledge, understanding and wisdom, means one won’t know the truth and consequently, the truth then can’t one you free from the chains and shackle of ignorance.

nijabazaar:
Thank you. I like your perpective and the way you illuminate with ur brushes. The key to understanding is to keep a very open mind.

No. Thank you, nijabazaar, but I cant say the same to the banding together three musketeers, especially with their amazing and very nothing to write home about naive and narrow minded perspectives. They are not taking after the generation of people who are investigating things for themselves, but rather are behaving just like our fathers, who hook, line and sinker, unquestioningly believe everything the media organised church told and/or tells them about whats is and how it is "written" in the Bible.

OkCornel:
Jude 1 v 6;

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Now further questions for those proposing the sons of God to be the Sons of Seth

1) Which angels was Jude referring to in verse 6, and when did they leave their first estate?
2) If you say it is those angels that rebelled alongside Lucifer, shouldn't they all be in everlasting chains right now awaiting judgement? Shouldn't this earth be free from demons and evil spirits?


@nijabazaar, Muttley is of the opinion that the Sons of God are male descendants of Seth. Let's see how he responds with plenty words dodging the posers from Jude 1 v 6 up there.


@nijabazaar, did you also notice how your question on the authenticity of the deadsea scrolls (of which the book of Enoch is included) was subtly dodged in the response to you?

Day 3: Still no answers to the questions arising from Jude 1 v 6

MuttleyLaff:
Talk to the hand

Smh.

Our Commentaries are parts of the Bible too.

Atheists' Thoughts are Commentaries on The Bible.

Half a Word is enough for the Wise, so The KJV is very adequate as presently constituted.


I read a lot of OtemAtum. It's a Bible too.

orisa37:
Our Commentaries are parts of the Bible too.

Atheists' Thoughts are Commentaries on The Bible.

Half a Word is enough for the Wise, so The KJV is very adequate as presently constituted.


I read a lot of OtemAtum. It's a Bible too.

Book of Universal History is not a bible, please. Rather, it's the BOOK OF HISTORY of the universes from the beginning of origin. The Bible is not even qualified to be a true subset of the Book of Universal History because it contains many fictions and lies. However, the origin of Jehovah, Allah, Moloch and many other beings worshipped by humans are well embedded in the book of universal history.

OtemAtum:
Book of Universal History is not a bible, please. Rather, it's the BOOK OF HISTORY of the universes from the beginning of origin. The Bible is not even qualified to be a true subset of the Book of Universal History because it contains many fictions and lies. However, the origin of Jehovah, Allah, Moloch and many other beings worshipped by humans are well embedded in the book of universal history.

The Books of Universal History you are talking about are human record written in this Planet Earth and by the Planet Beings. The Bible is an Account of Heaven, The Stars, The numerous Planets under The Heavens. So The Bible is the greatest.

orisa37:




The Books of Universal History you are talking about are human record written in this Planet Earth and by the Planet Beings. The Bible is an Account of Heaven, The Stars, The numerous Planets under The Heavens. So The Bible is the greatest.

Now I see where you got it all wrong. Atum, Olorun, Knoliud, Chukwu, Earthus, Ra and many other brothers of Jehovah and Allah who have their contributions in the Book of Universal History were not humans and what we have in the book includes millions of 'heavens' (afterlives) and uncountable numbers of planets, stars, asteroids and universes. It even reveals the present state of the beings who support religion over science. So the bible cannot come close to 1/googleplex of the Book of Universal History. For example, the bible doesn't have histories of Nigeria, Ghana, Mali, Mozambique and virtually all African countries in it, but the Book of Universal History have them all. The Neanderthals, Homo Erectuses, Homo Habilis, etc are missing from the bible, but you can find them in the Universal Book. The bible is a mere religious text while the Universal Book is a BOOK OF TRUE HISTORY of the Universes.

And to cap it up, Jehovah, being a local god, is currently held captive in a spiritual cage and only the Book of Universal History is worthy to record such current incidence where the bible is still assuming that the imprisoned Jehovah is still sitting on his archaic throne. May the Light of the Almighty God reveal the truth to you. Aseee!!!

EMILO2STAY:
I think the guy is demented

Seriously I think he is pained and bittered about accepting Bible truth for what it is.

OkCornel:
EMILO2STAY, Maamin, budaatum...


Come and see plenty words from Muttley with absolutely no meaning at all.

I have read that book back to back. It's amazing how its speaks of the Elect of God (Jesus). It confirms the gospel. The spirit indeed is one. It's amazing how the scriptures never changed from book of Enoch till revelation. Same thing. Anyone with the Spirit of God knows this.

This book is a blessing and I'm happy I found it. Same with book of jasher and other apocrypha