solite3:
I think this verse refers to the angels of God, I may be wrong but I have my reasons to believe it refers to the angels.

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

solite3, where is the evidence in Job 1:6, that is in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, showing the bible called or said angels are sons of God?

solite3, there is nothing in that Job 1:6 verse that referred angels to be sons of God now. How did you make the connection and great leap that sons of God in Job 1:6 refers to angels of God, hmm?

You claim you have your reasons to believe it refers to the angels, then quickly, please start giving the reasons, let's see how they'll pan out

solite3, I will after your reasons and explanation, reciprocate you by putting a counter verse(s) alongside Job 1:6 . This verse will show you that Job 1:6 will strongly mean human beings more than it'll ever would mean angels

solite3:
I think you are right. The Holy Spirit might have revealed to Jude the prophecy of enoch,

"Because of this I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men; but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven"
- Matthew 12:31

"I said that Jude quoted Enoch without any recourse to anything written. That means that he did not quote a written source. He quoted what he was shown by the Holy Spirit what Enoch said, very likely orally. He had a vision, is what I mean"
- Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by Ihedinobi3: 8:48pm On Oct 20

Both you and Ihedinobi3 should be careful with throwing caution to wind, especially when ascribing whether or not the Holy Spirit might have revealed to Jude the prophecy of Enoch. The thing that is certain, is that, the Holy Spirit revealed to Jude and Peter that the Book of Enoch is a practical joke., that a con artist put together the book and has since had a good time deceiving and leading many astray with it. This is why both Peter and Jude sent out their warning letters denouncing and finding fault with the book.

The Bible unlike what Ihedinobi3 is advancing, never suggests, hints nor say anything about Jude having a vision and showing him what Enoch orally said. This is just pure conjecture and/or guesswork. It is behaviour that gives to unintendedly misleading others.

solite3:
and also note that the devil might have also revealed a corrupted version of the prophecy of enoch midst other books to in secret so as to counter the word of God.

When will you guys ever accept that there never was anything like the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch.

Nowhere in the entirety of the Bible, old testament or new testament, is there any direct mention of the words "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch." That silence on the non-mention of the words "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch." is deafening.
It is so loud, it iclearly and without doubt, is letting us know nothing like a "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch." ever originally existed. What we have is a manufactured and invented "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch."

solite3:
Do you know that the Egyptian account of creation is similar to that of Moses, so that one might think moses learnt it from the Egyptians just as some think jude got the prophecy from the book of Enoch.

Yes, this is no news, it isn't anything like new info solite3. This is something that's being observed, discussed, explained and so put to rest on Nairaland before as there is nothing wrong with "borrowing technology" and why reinvent the wheel when there's already one done up.

solite3:
In 1933 and 1934, Yahuda identified several similarities between Genesis 1-2 and ancient Egyptian texts. He also identified Egyptian influence throughout the Pentateuch.2

In 1982, Cyrus Gordon showed similarities between the Egyptian and Hebrew traditions of the creation of man.3 He drew several parallels between the creation tradition of Khnum, the potter-god, and Genesis 2:4-25.

In 1983, James Hoffmeier also identified several striking parallels between Genesis 1-2 and ancient Egyptian cosmology.4 First, he discussed the state of the cosmos at the time when God began His creation. The Egyptian and the Hebrew share similar concepts although the words used are unrelated etymologically.5 Second, Hoffmeier mentioned similarities between “the initial acts of creation.”6 Third, Hoffmeier examined the similarities of man’s creation shared by the Egyptian and Hebrew accounts.

https://bible.org/article/genesis-1-2-light-ancient-egyptian-creation-myths
The emboldened you forwarded was from the above website link. Right solite3?

Anyway, as I've earlier advanced, it doesnt make sense, to waste a great deal of time and/or effort in creating something that already exists. Of course, Moses would have to some degree be influenced by his stay in the Egyptian palace, and the exposure to Egyptian culture certainly would have rubbed off on him . God in His infinite wisdom, must have got a very good reason for Moses to grow up in the Egyptian palace.

gobuchinny:
You clearly dont read to understand . I explained y its JEWISH myth and not gentile myth. So apostate jews started deceiving early christains with stories of either their genealogy or stories that they cook up to ensure the gentiles are ensnared to them. Or how they were related to King David by Blood or to Yeshua by blood. This was very common in their days. The circumcision part is just one of the ways they tried to control the gentile christains. Do I have to break things down everytime to you like I'm talking to a 4 yrs old . Cant you read btw d lined

Another one was the common myth that the resurrection had already occurred or that the gentiles could not attain salvation without works of the law. How is it that you dont know this things dear mutteylaff. This discussions are slowing me down cause you r so ignorant of history. Please read more let's have a balanced discuss

[img]https://s3/images/mythMeaning.jpg[/img]

Smh, you have just made it clearer with this your another instalment of worthless, untrue, confused disjointed, absurd and nonsensical talk that you are very dishonest and ignoranus person

gobuchinny, what a ridiculous and funny joke you are. Please stop pretending to know the meaning of myth and/or legend when it is openly obvious that you dont know what their meanings are, smh. This time waster, time stealer and time killer is a kofam total distraction.

OkCornel:
For those of you fruitlessly arguing that the sons of God in Genesis & Job are the male descendants of Seth;

Please have a look at Josephus Flavius' Antiquity of the Jews; I don't think Josephus Flavius needs introduction here as famous first century Jewish historian he was.

Flavius Josephus of the Antiquities of the Jews — Book I
Chapter 3 v 1;

1. Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations: but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their fore-fathers; and did neither pay those honours to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shewn for virtue, they now shewed by their actions a double degree of wickedness. Whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many Angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good; on account of the confidence they had in their own strength. For the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call Giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did: and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions, and their actions for the better. But seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married. So he departed out of that land.


Check out how this reconciles with the verses posted from the book of Enoch earlier;

Enoch Chapter 15 v 1-7;

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Do not be afraid, Enoch you righteous man and scribe of righteousness.
2 Approach and hear my voice. Go and say to the Watchers of heaven, for whom you have come to intercede: "You should intercede for men, and not men for you."
3 Why and for what cause have you left the high, holy and eternal heaven, and had sex with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of the earth, and begotten (as your) sons?
4 Though you were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and as the children of men, you have lusted after flesh and blood like those who die and are killed.
5 This is why I have given men wives, that they might impregnate them, and have children by them, that deeds might continue on earth.
6 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, immortal for all generations of the world.
7 Therefore, I have not appointed wives for you; you are spiritual beings of heaven, and in heaven was your dwelling place.

Cc: missjo, maamin, gobuchinny, budaatum, nijabazaar, RiyadhGoddess, CaveAdullam

The people arguing that sons of God in Genesis and Job were the descendants of Seth surely turned a blind eye to this post.

How on God’s green earth can a fully grown man come and tell us the book of Jude was written before the book of Enoch?


There are a lot of illiterates on this platform.

OkCornel:
How on God’s green earth can a fully grown man come and tell us the book of Jude was written before the book of Enoch?


There are a lot of illiterates on this platform.

Mbanù, God made reference to the inspired books of Satan when He was compiling His own 66 books but for what exactly?


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

CaveAdullam:
Mbanù, God made reference to the inspired books of Satan when He was compiling His own 66 books but for what exactly?


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Buhahahahahaha... my brother, I tire o

CaveAdullam:
Mbanù, God made reference to the inspired books of Satan when He was compiling His own 66 books but for what exactly?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

You've again, gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick CaveAdullam. It was Peter and Jude who made reference to that satanic and accursed Book of Enoch. The reason why they made reference to it, simply was to denounce it. QED.

CaveAdullam, if that unholy, satanic and accursed Book of Enoch was truly that highly revered, regarded, respected and honoured, why isnt there just a single direct mention of the word "the Book of Enoch" anywhere in the Bible, whether Old Testament or New Testament, erhn?

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s3/images/mythMeaning.jpg[/img]

Smh, you have just made it clearer with this your another instalment of worthless, untrue, confused disjointed, absurd and nonsensical talk that you are very dishonest and ignoranus person

gobuchinny, what a ridiculous and funny joke you are. Please stop pretending to know the meaning of myth and/or legend when it is openly obvious that you dont know what their meanings are, smh. This time waster, time stealer and time killer is a kofam total distraction.

You are beyond redemption bro . What kind of a child is this lol. How old are you .

Didnt you see you own post. Concerning gods? Are we talking about gods or the God. Yahweh..the King of glory. The Lord of Spirits. Are we talking about superheroes like superman or spiderman? Ain't we talking of Angel's that excel in strength? Who are ministering Angel's? You clearly dont know what and who you worship .

All these church goer that never study to know this great Yahweh. You think God looks like man? If you behold the glory of God I'm sure it will be a myth to you. Clown.

Any intelligent human reading both our posts can clearly see that you just pick words in isolation so Paul that saw the 3rd heaven isnt it a myth or legend . Isaiah that saw the throne of God isn't it a myth to the gentiles .

Ajuwaya my son. As you were. I need to discuss with intelligent beings. You clearly are lacking in understanding. Please I'm not insulting you bro. Just my honest observation. Paul that said women sud cover their hairs cause of Angel's didnt know what he was saying? You can never explain these scripture brother.

I have tried to educate you but you r stiffnecked... if you can use google to find out defination of myth y didnt ypu google ancient Jewish beliefs in origins of demons and fallen angels .

My hand no dey again for your ignorance ooo. I don wash hand comot. Your blood, your life

@okcornel in done with this clown oo.

gobuchinny:


You are beyond redemption bro . What kind of a child is this lol. How old are you .

Didnt you see you own post. Concerning gods? Are we talking about gods or the God. Yahweh..the King of glory. The Lord of Spirits. Are we talking about superheroes like superman or spiderman? Ain't we talking of Angel's that excel in strength? Who are ministering Angel's? You clearly dont know what and who you worship .

All these church goer that never study to know this great Yahweh. You think God looks like man? If you behold the glory of God I'm sure it will be a myth to you. Clown.

Any intelligent human reading both our posts can clearly see that you just pick words in isolation so Paul that saw the 3rd heaven isnt it a myth or legend . Isaiah that saw the throne of God isn't it a myth to the gentiles .

Ajuwaya my son. As you were. I need to discuss with intelligent beings. You clearly are lacking in understanding. Please I'm not insulting you bro. Just my honest observation. Paul that said women sud cover their hairs cause of Angel's didnt know what he was saying? You can never explain these scripture brother.

I have tried to educate you but you r stiffnecked... if you can use google to find out defination of myth y didnt ypu google ancient Jewish beliefs in origins of demons and fallen angels .

My hand no dey again for your ignorance ooo. I don wash hand comot. Your blood, your life

@okcornel in done with this clown oo.

As in... that guy na proper clown.

Imagine him saying Peter and Jude made reference to the book of Enoch to condemn it.

As in 2 Peter Chapter 2 and the book of Jude.

Another joke is how the sons of God in Genesis and Job are the descendants of Seth.

Simple question, if the sons of God are the descendants of Seth...then that means;

1) Job lived in the period prior to the flood
2) The Sabeans and Chaldeans that killed Job’s shepherd and stole his livestock (Job Chapter 1) also lived prior to the flood


That dude is truly a clown

MuttleyLafpost=83323925:


CaveAdullam, if that unholy, satanic and accursed Book of Enoch was truly that highly revered, regarded, respected and honoured, why isnt there just a single direct mention of the word "the Book of Enoch" anywhere in the Bible, whether Old Testament or New Testament, erhn?

I really wonder why the Book of Enoch was discovered alongside other canonised books in the ancient Dead Sea scrolls...

Chai, this is amusing

MuttleyLaff:
solite3, where is the evidence in Job 1:6, that is in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, showing the bible called or said angels are sons of God?

solite3, there is nothing in that Job 1:6 verse that referred angels to be sons of God now. How did you make the connection and great leap that sons of God in Job 1:6 refers to angels of God, hmm?

You claim you have your reasons to believe it refers to the angels, then quickly, please start giving the reasons, let's see how they'll pan out

solite3, I will after your reasons and explanation, reciprocate you by putting a counter verse(s) alongside Job 1:6 . This verse will show you that Job 1:6 will strongly mean human beings more than it'll ever would mean angels

The account of Job chapter 1vv 6 and Job 2vv1 is similar to the visiso of michaiah to Zedekiah.

1 Kings 22:19-21 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

Never was it written that God held a council with men or that men presents themslves to God except during the ceremonial cleansing through the priiest in the israel.

So its very likely that the Sons of God in contrast with the sons of men referred to angels except on some rear occasions like the judges in israel.
Secondly, in job 38vv7 while describing the acts of creation, job referred to the angels as sons of God and morning stars who sang to God during the early times of creation.


Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Thirdly, it will be inconsistent to assume job1vv6 referred to men rather than angels and job 38v7 referred to angels.

In conclusion, looking at the context in job without bias or pretence one could easily see job 1vv6 and 2vv1 a sudden break from the natural world into the heavenly is similar to how visions are told in the old testament. The sons of God in job are not men but angels.

Let me see your reasons to think they are men not angels

gobuchinny:
You are beyond redemption bro . What kind of a child is this lol. How old are you

I am old enough to be your father, yeah thats your old man who born you, are you satisfied now, hmm? Idiota

gobuchinny:
Didnt you see you own post. Concerning gods? Are we talking about gods or the God. Yahweh..the King of glory. The Lord of Spirits. Are we talking about superheroes like superman or spiderman? Ain't we talking of Angel's that excel in strength? Who are ministering Angel's? You clearly dont know what and who you worship .

All these church goer that never study to know this great Yahweh. You think God looks like man? If you behold the glory of God I'm sure it will be a myth to you. Clown.

Any intelligent human reading both our posts can clearly see that you just pick words in isolation so Paul that saw the 3rd heaven isnt it a myth or legend . Isaiah that saw the throne of God isn't it a myth to the gentiles .

Ajuwaya my son. As you were. I need to discuss with intelligent beings. You clearly are lacking in understanding. Please I'm not insulting you bro. Just my honest observation. Paul that said women sud cover their hairs cause of Angel's didnt know what he was saying? You can never explain these scripture brother.

I have tried to educate you but you r stiffnecked... if you can use google to find out defination of myth y didnt ypu google ancient Jewish beliefs in origins of demons and fallen angels .

My hand no dey again for your ignorance ooo. I don wash hand comot. Your blood, your life

@okcornel in done with this clown oo.

I used to google to help you see the stupidity and rass disregard to what the meaning of myths and legends are.

It is a myth to believe that angels impregnated human beings and made wives of them, but your thick and muddled up head doesnt seem capable of understanding anything of that sort.

All you are doing is making conjectures about a Paul fear of angels lusting after female human beings. How you pulled this out of your smelly dark rear end and made this stupid connection is beggars belief

MuttleyLaff:
"Because of this I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men; but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven"
- Matthew 12:31

"I said that Jude quoted Enoch without any recourse to anything written. That means that he did not quote a written source. He quoted what he was shown by the Holy Spirit what Enoch said, very likely orally. He had a vision, is what I mean"
- Religion / Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by Ihedinobi3: 8:48pm On Oct 20

Both you and Ihedinobi3 should be careful with throwing caution to wind, especially when ascribing whether or not the Holy Spirit might have revealed to Jude the prophecy of Enoch. The thing that is certain, is that, the Holy Spirit revealed to Jude and Peter that the Book of Enoch is a practical joke., that a con artist put together the book and has since had a good time deceiving and leading many astray with it. This is why both Peter and Jude sent out their warning letters denouncing and finding fault with the book.

The Bible unlike what Ihedinobi3 is advancing, never suggests, hints nor say anything about Jude having a vision and showing him what Enoch orally said. This is just pure conjecture and/or guesswork. It is behaviour that gives to unintendedly misleading others.

When will you guys ever accept that there never was anything like the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch.

Nowhere in the entirety of the Bible, old testament or new testament, is there any direct mention of the words "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch." That silence on the non-mention of the words "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch." is deafening.
It is so loud, it iclearly and without doubt, is letting us know nothing like a "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch." ever originally existed. What we have is a manufactured and invented "the Book of Enoch and/or prophecy of Enoch."

Yes, this is no news, it isn't anything like new info solite3. This is something that's being observed, discussed, explained and so put to rest on Nairaland before as there is nothing wrong with "borrowing technology" and why reinvent the wheel when there's already one done up.

https://bible.org/article/genesis-1-2-light-ancient-egyptian-creation-myths
The emboldened you forwarded was from the above website link. Right solite3?

Anyway, as I've earlier advanced, it doesnt make sense, to waste a great deal of time and/or effort in creating something that already exists. Of course, Moses would have to some degree be influenced by his stay in the Egyptian palace, and the exposure to Egyptian culture certainly would have rubbed off on him . God in His infinite wisdom, must have got a very good reason for Moses to grow up in the Egyptian palace.

read carefully, I never said there was any book called book of enoch neither did I endorse the crap okcornel and co are parading.
I believe no doubt that enoch prophesy about the coming of christ even if he wrote a book such book may have been lost or the holy spirit might revealed what enoch said jude.
There were alot of herectical book during the apocryphal period that were called psuedgraphs
Meaning they bear names of prophets or notable people just to give credence to their fraudulent works and book of enoch is among such works.

solite3:
read carefully, I never said there was any book called book of enoch neither did I endorse the crap okcornel and co are parading.
I believe no doubt that enoch prophesy about the coming of christ even if he wrote a book such book may have been lost or the holy spirit might revealed what enoch said jude.
There were alot of herectical book during the apocryphal period that were called psuedgraphs
Meaning they bear names of prophets or notable people just to give credence to their fraudulent works and book of enoch is among such works.

Oh yeah, the Orthodox, Catholic and Coptic churches believes in “heretical books”

“Heretical books” were also included in the first version of the King James Bible.

“Heretical books” were also included in the ancient Dead Sea scrolls.

Coincidentally Jude and Peter has texts exactly similar to a certain “heretical book”

Well done.

Okcornel and co examine that crap book called the book of enoch very well and see the very many errors/ and deception in it.

OkCornel:


My pleasure, co-incidentally...it was on this thread

Did you modify these posts of yours below to Jamesid29? I recalled those posts had next to nothing in it, before those large volumes of information (copy and paste I presume) later cropped up. Yes or No?

https://www.nairaland.com/5450889/why-book-enoch-removed-bible/3#83179902
https://www.nairaland.com/5450889/why-book-enoch-removed-bible/3#83179929

Why are you asking me? I thought you were going to show evidence of my modifying posts deceitfully. Or were you planning to post any random link and then ask me to confirm that I modified it. Why would you believe anything I say in the matter? Where is proof of sneaky editing, OkCornel?

I was told the bible has internal consistency with no contradictions; oh well...

Who told David to take a census of Israel? God or Satan;
2 Samuel 24 v 1
Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.”

1 Chronicles 21 v 1
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.


Or which of this advice should we adhere to?
Proverbs 24 v 5-6;

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Ihedinobi3:

Why are you asking me? I thought you were going to show evidence of my modifying posts deceitfully. Or were you planning to post any random link and then ask me to confirm that I modified it. Why would you believe anything I say in the matter? Where is proof of sneaky editing, OkCornel?

Did you modify those posts in your response to Jamesid29? Yes or No

Those are your posts on this thread.

MuttleyLaff:
I am old enough to be your father, yeah thats your old man who born you, are you satisfied now, hmm? Idiota

I used to google to help you see the stupidity and rass disregard to what the meaning of myths and legends are.

It is a myth to believe that angels impregnated human beings and made wives of them, but your thick and muddled up head doesnt seem capable of understanding anything of that sort.

All you are doing is making conjectures about a Paul fear of angels lusting after female human beings. How you pulled this out of your smelly dark rear end and made this stupid connection is beggars belief

I really didnt wanna respond but cant help your ignorance. Pls Google Jewish mythology to clear your ignorance . You only googled myth because you wanted to discredit my sound discuss but everytime you foolishness is made manifest .

If you dont beleive the Angel's impregnating man then how do u beleive a virgin giving birth . How do you beleive in 6 days creation . Can you even create your foolishness in 6 days? Talkless of the whole world . How do you beleive that there r angels and that some fell before man was ever created.

My friend you cannot separate what you beleive from what you dont beleive. Dont pick which is a myth or not. That means christianity is a myth because its steeped in the miraculous which man can never understand .

Study bro and understand. Dont be careless. Alot happened before you or your village existed . Its hidden in books..oooops. That y muttey cant know it

solite3:
The account of Job chapter 1vv 6 and Job 2vv1 is similar to the visiso of michaiah to Zedekiah.

1 Kings 22:19-21 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

C'mon now solite3, the narrative in 1 Kings 22:19-21 happened in a vision/dream not in reality now

solite3:
Never was it written that God held a council with men or that men presents themslves to God except during the ceremonial cleansing through the priiest in the israel

I am glad you mentioned this. It shows you have the knowledge but you are in denial, so in order to still believe the Jewish myths of angel impregnating and marrying female human beings. Right?

solite3:
So its very likely that the Sons of God in contrast with the sons of men referred to angels except on some rear occasions like the judges in israel.

Angels is used for celestial beings and human beings. It even is used for Jesus Christ too.

solite3:
Secondly, in job 38vv7 while describing the acts of creation, job referred to the angels as sons of God and morning stars who sang to God during the early times of creation.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Wrong, no, Job 38:7, is in reference to the second creation events, meaning, it is about what happened after the flood stopped and receded

solite3:
Thirdly, it will be inconsistent to assume job1vv6 referred to men rather than angels and job 38v7 referred to angels.

In conclusion, looking at the context in job without bias or pretence one could easily see job 1vv6 and 2vv1 a sudden break from the natural world into the heavenly is similar to how visions are told in the old testament. The sons of God in job are not men but angels.

Only one exegesis of a verse in the Book of Job will demolish and collapse like a pack of falling cards this your false interpretation of Job 1:6 and Job 2:1

solite3:
Let me see your reasons to think they are men not angels

"Be ready by the morning, and come up in the morning to Mount Sinai, and present yourself there to Me on the top of the mountain."
- Exodus 34:2

"The Levites purified themselves and washed their clothes, and Aaron presented them as a wave offering before the LORD. Aaron also made atonement for them to cleanse them."
- Numbers 8:21

You will never find any verse in the Bible, that is, in a clear, direct and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, showing the bible saying or said angels presented themselves before God, like as I've shown you with at least the two above example solite3.

gobuchinny:
I really didnt wanna respond but cant help your ignorance. Pls Google Jewish mythology to clear your ignorance . You only googled myth because you wanted to discredit my sound discuss but everytime you foolishness is made manifest .

If you dont beleive the Angel's impregnating man then how do u beleive a virgin giving birth . How do you beleive in 6 days creation . Can you even create your foolishness in 3 days? Talkless of the whole world . How do you beleive that there r angels and that some fell before man was ever created.

My friend you cannot separate what you beleive from what you dont beleive. Dont pick which is a myth or not. That means christianity is a myth because its steeped in the miraculous which man can never understand .

Study bro and understand. Dont be careless. Alot happened before you or your village existed . Its hidden in books..oooops. That y muttey cant know it

Duh, virgin birth had God's involvement in it, besides there has been a precedent of some sort before the virgin birth anyway. Virgin birth is God here on earth, olodo. Now scram and let sanity be restored to this thread

Wrong, no, Job 38:7, is in reference to the second creation events, meaning, it is about what happened after the flood stopped and receded

Gobuchinny, see more jokes from this clown

Job 38 v 7 happened after the flood, oh my goodness...wetin be this?

Some people have a weak stomach, they cant chew strong meat, take it in and hold it down.
They are of the kindergarten sort who live solely on milk diet. Milk and mushy food, that's all they know, thats all they are used to

Imagine pulling face at Job 38:7. If that verse is examined and read contextually would realise who the real clown is
Remember that Job 38:7 is 36-37 more verses away from Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, lol, yeah.

solite3:
I think you are right. The Holy Spirit might have revealed to Jude the prophecy of enoch, and also note that the devil might have also revealed a corrupted version of the prophecy of enoch midst other books to in secret so as to counter the word of God.
Do you know that the Egyptian account of creation is similar to that of moses, so that one might think moses learnt it from the Egyptians just as some think jude got the prophecy from the book of enoch.


In 1933 and 1934, Yahuda identified several similarities between Genesis 1-2 and ancient Egyptian texts. He also identified Egyptian influence throughout the Pentateuch.2

In 1982, Cyrus Gordon showed similarities between the Egyptian and Hebrew traditions of the creation of man.3 He drew several parallels between the creation tradition of Khnum, the potter-god, and Genesis 2:4-25.

In 1983, James Hoffmeier also identified several striking parallels between Genesis 1-2 and ancient Egyptian cosmology.4 First, he discussed the state of the cosmos at the time when God began His creation. The Egyptian and the Hebrew share similar concepts although the words used are unrelated etymologically.5 Second, Hoffmeier mentioned similarities between “the initial acts of creation.”6 Third, Hoffmeier examined the similarities of man’s creation shared by the Egyptian and Hebrew accounts.

It is not improbable that Satan was involved in all the caricatures and corruptions of biblical accounts. In fact, it is highly likely, since the Truth is the only way to beat him in this world. But it is not absolutely necessary that he be involved. Human ego is incredibly enough to cause the same damage. Just the desire to be identified with something great or famous is enough to lead people into creating counterfeits of such things.

Consider the example of Jeremiah. When he was prophesying about the doom of Jerusalem and Judah, other prophets arose that wanted to be identified with great prophecy too. They too claimed to be speaking for the Lord. They used the right phrases and even went so far as to link themselves with what Jeremiah was doing. For example, Jeremiah had been commanded by the Lord to wear a wooden yoke to symbolize the slavery that was about to come upon Judah, but one such false prophet took it off of him and broke it, claiming that the Lord had said that He was going to break the yoke on Judah. Jeremiah said, "Amen, let it be that the Lord has said such a thing." But that was not the end of the matter. The Lord sent a message to say that the wooden yoke would be replaced with an iron one, and that the false prophet would pay dearly for speaking falsely in His Name.

The same thing happened with most of the Apocrypha and pseudepigraphical literature. They simply aped existing Scripture, making themselves sound like them, so that people would be deceived into thinking that they were Scripture too.

As for Creation myths, that is the same sort of thing. We know that almost immediately after the Lord had shown to Adam and Eve that redemption would only come through a bloody sacrifice, Cain - only the second generation from Eden - decided to ignore the Lord's clear teaching and offer vegetables for his sin. That is how human arrogance is. If Cain could treat the teaching of the Lord so disrespectfully so soon, it is no surprise that other descendants of Noah's, who must have had all the opportunity for 350 years after the Flood to learn the true Creation story from him, would simply take germs of truth from the true story and fashion fictions of their own that they prefer.

The same thing happened with the Gospel. Even while the Lord Jesus was still in the flesh, people who saw His Miracles decided to describe them completely differently than what they were. They admitted that they were Miracles, but they claimed that He did them in Satan's power. That is the hard-hearted nature of man. It was not long after He went back to be with the Father that fools began to write all manner of fiction about Him, not least in the Apostles' names for popularity. That is where many of the so-called "lost gospels" came from.

Human beings have been doing this since the days of Cain. Satan certainly rejoices in it and helps them along with choice embellishments, but they do it quite well without his help too.

OkCornel:


Did you modify those posts in your response to Jamesid29? Yes or No

Those are your posts on this thread.

Yes, they are my posts. If I have to answer your question about the second link, then I would be a fool to do so. If I have to answer your question about the first link, I would also be a fool to do so, although for a different reason - should I be aiding you to call me a liar?

You claim that I am a liar. Now, prove your claim. Or else put up your sword and stop making a fool of yourself.

Ihedinobi3:

Yes, they are my posts. If I have to answer your question about the second link, then I would be a fool to do so. If I have to answer your question about the first link, I would also be a fool to do so, although for a different reason - should I be aiding you to call me a liar?

You claim that I am a liar. Now, prove your claim. Or else put up your sword and stop making a fool of yourself.

All this evasion tactics.

You clearly modified your posts to James29id in those links I pasted earlier. Initially those posts had next to nothing in them before you updated them.

Just as you modified the other post you referred me to.

It’s so shameful you’ve resorted to outright lies.


Simple question: Did you modify those posts to Jamesid29? Yes or No


Jamesid29, hope you’re taking note of this development.

OkCornel:



All this evasion tactics.

First you lied you only edited your posts to solite on this thread only for correction of grammatical errors.

You clearly modified your posts to James29id in those links I pasted earlier. Initially those posts had next to nothing in them before you updated them.

Just as you modified the other post you referred me to.

It’s so shameful you’ve resorted to outright lies.


Simple question: Did you modify those posts to Jamesid29? Yes or No


Jamesid29, hope you’re taking note of this development.

I'll list the lies in this post (and they're only a sampling in this conversation with you):

1. Evasion tactics? A lie. Why would I be evading your question? Am I denying anything? You claimed that I edited my posts. Why do you look to me for proof? I'm not a fool, so I won't help you make your accusation. If you want to be believed, you go and get your proof and cement my guilt. Using accusations of evasion is only increasing your dishonesty.

2. "I only edited my posts to solite3." A lie. I never claimed that those were the only posts that I edited here. I only gave them as an example of posts that I edited here. I also said why I edited them. If you mean to suggest that I edited them for any other reason, by all means, show what the reason is.

3. "I modified my posts to JamesId29." This one's a travesty.

4. "I modified my post to you." Another lie. I have many responses to you with grammatical errors that I even thought of modifying, but I decided against it, because discussing with you is annoying to me. When I compile these discussions for publishing elsewhere, I'll make the editorial corrections I need to make for clarity. But here, I can't wait to quit talking with you. It feels like eating something not only evil-tasting and evil-smelling, but it also fouls up my stomach.

5. "I've resorted to outright lies." Why not? What else would you say to make your own lies disappear? No better way to escape accusation than to make one of your own. Rather than showing how your Book of Enoch is actually part of the Bible, it is now my "outright lies" about modifying my posts that is the important subject of the day.

Finally, keep asking the question. At some point, you might even force me to answer you. Don't give up.

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon now solite3, the narrative in 1 Kings 22:19-21 happened in a vision/dream not in reality now

are visions not real anymore?

I am glag you mentioned this. It shows you have the knowledge but you are in denial, so in order to still believe the Jewish myths of angel impregnating and marrying female human beings. Right?

Where did I suggest that?

Angels is used for celestial beings and human beings. It even is used for Jesus Christ too.

I never said angels only applied to celestial beings.

Wrong, no, Job 38:7, is in reference to the second creation events, meaning, it is about what happened after the flood stopped and receded

This your trying to twist scripture is comical sir!
Read again

Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy.

Only one exegesis of a verse in the Book of Job will demolish and collapse like a pack of falling cards this your false interpretation of Job 1:6 and Job 2:1

how is it wrong?

"Be ready by the morning, and come up in the morning to Mount Sinai, and present yourself there to Me on the top of the mountain."
- Exodus 34:2

"The Levites purified themselves and washed their clothes, and Aaron presented them as a wave offering before the LORD. Aaron also made atonement for them to cleanse them."
- Numbers 8:21

never was moses called a son of God neither aaron. Moses had a calling to lead the Israelites and the only man in earth God speak with face to face (figure of speech)
Aaron was a priest who needed to present himself for cleasing this has tho do with the israelities only and specifically the levitical priesthood. It has no bearing with the Sons of God in Job.

You will never find any verse in the Bible, that is, in a clear, direct and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, showing the bible saying or said angels presented themselves before God, like as I've shown you with at least the two above example solite3.

the evidences are there, remaining in ignorance is a choice.

@ihedinobi3,

No need to bother, the following clarifies your position;

1) You post "Edited" at the bottom of your message after you've significantly altered it.

I can understand how you think that I must be like you, looking to deceive and trick others into joining whatever madness you like. I'm not like that. If I modify my post in a way that changes its meaning significantly, I always include"Edited" at the end to warn that I changed it. Whenever I don't, it is in error that I don't, and I don't remember any instance when I forgot to.

2) That was the same thing that happened in your convo with Jamesid29

As for 1 Corinthians 13, it is yet another proof that you don’t know the Bible as well as you seem to want to claim with your energetic chastisement of me. Clearly, you cannot live what you don’t understand. Clearly too, we cannot love if we do not know what love is. Finally, Paul obviously was warning the Corinthians that angling after dramatic spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues was folly if they did not understand that spiritual gifts are given so that we can use them to build each other up in the Truth, that is, they are not for show. I teach the Bible, James. I don't do it for show. I’m not a celebrity here by any means. I make no money from my activities here, and I certainly make very few friends. Many who start out liking me end up trying to bend me to their whims and not liking me very much for their failure. Being here costs me in my personal life. As I told you, it’s not a pleasant place to work, nor is it a place I hope to stay around forever. This post has taken almost three hours to type up, and it cost energy too. I don’t often do that anymore, but I do it for the Lord’s Sake, for His Truth, and for His people. If you think that you can judge me on this, be welcome to it. But don’t expect me to stop. I did not receive either my gift or my Salvation from you.

Edited.

https://www.nairaland.com/5450889/why-book-enoch-removed-bible/3#83179929

Hence, you modified those posts I pointed your attention to.

Ihedinobi3:


3. "I modified my posts to JamesId29." This one's a travesty.
Finally, keep asking the question. At some point, you might even force me to answer you. Don't give up.

Wait a minute! are you still denying you modified your post to Jamesid29? Haba!

OkCornel:
@ihedinobi3,

Don't bother, the following clarifies your position;

1) You post "Edited" at the bottom of your message after you've significantly altered it.
2) That was the same thing that happened in your convo with Jamesid29

Hence, you modified those posts I pointed your attention to.

Oh, I'm so excited for you. You finally actually looked at the posts that you were huffing and puffing about. Of course, I had "Edited" at the bottom of the second post all along. I deleted two or three sentences from the fifteenth paragraph and added one. That was why I wrote "Edited" at the bottom. And I did it a few days ago too. So, all this time you've been losing your mind over nothing.

As for whether or not I posted volumes after initially having nothing there, that would have been hilarious, if I felt like laughing. I wrote those two posts as one post on my Word app, then I copied and pasted it into one post that was too long, so it didn't get published on Nairaland. I broke the post in two and posted them one after the other with nothing else ever posted in the same text boxes before.

In other words, the only modification made there was the one I told you about in the second post. But you are a liar by nature. So, of course, all you wanted to see was that I was just as deceitful as you.

If I needed proof of your own deceitfulness, just look at all my responses to you. I would make a response quoting you, only to discover that you had already edited your post without warning. So, many of the posts I have quoted in my comments end up different from your old posts. This happened too on the other thread where you and other arrogant false teachers like yourself were trading pictures of your false visions of the Lord. How many times did you bother to warn me that you had changed your post? And you felt like I was like you too. I am not, OkCornel. Deal with it.