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justnairalande:
That is not the topic, the topic is FFKs statement which is very true.

Makuos19:

[s]MUST READ !!!

Have you always thought about where the word Yoruba originate?? Have you heard many misconception and misapprehension that left you baffled?? That was what got hold of me too so I decided to dig into it.
What is the meaning of Yoruba? Does it have any inclination to our language? This is a thought provoking topic that needs profound reasoning and intense research for better understanding.

It is time we faced the monster that keeps trailing us whom many try to ignore. In Yoruba culture, appellation is often derived from a prerequisite factor or foretelling. For fact telling, some name their child Owolabi hoping the child will bring fortune to the family, another one is that almost all Yoruba towns have their names derived from an event or a factor as illustrated in; Eba-Odan – Ibadan, Abe Okuta Olumo – Abeokuta and Ibi ti Ile ti yo – Oyo and so forth. However, these factors appear not partake in the word Yoruba.

I asked a lot of people to define Yoruba, nobody had a clue so I decided to return to history and I delved into what Yoruba scholars of the past centuries had written. Slowly I began to unravel the mystery of our name.
The first hint I got was from an ordinary search which spouted Yoruba. What does that mean?? I carried on, I moved on to the always ready Yoruba dictionary written by Samuel Ajayi Crowther which defines ‘Yoruba’ as a bastard and deceitful person.

Another came from the one I found on a scholarly written journal of Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu who insisted Yoruba is a name derived from Hausa language which means deceit. He claimed he found the definition at York Museum in England dating to the 19th century.
Before I go further here, I would like to stress how the name came aboard. It has been recorded that the Hausa-Fulani who had been in contact with the Yoruba even before the rise of Oyo Empire had for some reasons chosen to call us Yoruba, or Yaribansa.

Perhaps this might have been a result of Yoruba people’s bargaining skills which often made the Fulani traders fall victim of trade by barter. Another one I stumbled on was narrated by another scholar who said the name Yoruba started protruding during the clash between Yoruba and Fulani that steered the lost of Ilorin to them in the 18th century.

The Igbos had cleansed themselves off ‘Yinmiri’, a name the Hausa-Fulani had technically given to them. The igbos have today refuted Yinmiri to be a derogatory word, however, the reverse is the case for the Yoruba. From findings I have made, Yaribansa is a Fulani word meaning Bastard. An extremely derogatory word in Yoruba discourse.

I read one of Professor Ade Ajayi’s book “Yoruba Warfare in the Nineteenth century” where he insisted that during the indirect rule era, it was necessary for the imperialists to give a unique name to the entire towns and people who spoke Yoruba language.

Somehow, they settled for Yoruba. Yoruba is a deviation of Yoruba which the Yoruba people of that century rejected. The Ijebu, Ijesa and Egba rejected this name vehemently but because during the Kiriji war (the Yoruba civil war) where the collapse of Oyo Empire commenced and the signalling factor the imperialists used to prompt the rule over Oyo from covers. The name Yoruba was foisted on Oyo and Ibadan mainly on documents and slowly the name Yoruba was enshrined in our culture and hence, our appellation.

Research shows that the Egba were the last to accept Yoruba as their appellation, reason coming from facts emanating from the first newspaper published in Yorubaland in 1859, goes: Iwe Iroyin Fun Ara Egba Ati Yoruba. This indicates that the Egba refused the name Yoruba as at 1859.

Furthermore, I have read the Odu Ifa and I have familiarised myself with many Ogede Ofo, Iwure and Ewi of the past generations and I have never heard where we were referred to as Yoruba, rather, as Omo Kaaro Ojiire, Omo Oduduwa or Omoluabi.

I am penning this for us to know the origin of the word Yoruba, it is a bitter pill to swallow especially now that the name has travelled far and wide, should we try to augment our appellation Yoruba? certainly too late to make any sort of modification. We might as well just carry on dealing with it.
Source & Written By: Bola Olalekan
http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/[/s]

Makuos19:
[s]Historical facts and theories don't provide answers to the meaning of Yoruba.
Whats in a name? In Africa and especially in Nigeria, we believe that names have deeper meanings. They are contextual and layered.
A person's name reveals the circumstances surrounding their birth. In other cases, it represents the hopes and aspirations parents have for their kids.

The names of African countries also have meanings too. Nigeria is a mash-up of two words 'Niger' for River Niger and 'Area'. Morroco means the "Land of God". Ivory Coast is perhaps one of most descriptive names to give a country.

What about tribes? What is the meaning of the word Yoruba? A quick search on this revealed to me that the existence of the word Yoruba first showed up in the 16th century.

The scholar Ahmed Baba al Massufi used the word to describe the people of the Oyo Empire in a treatise written by him. The word Yoruba was first used to describe people from Oyo only but later on it was used to describe people who spoke the language from the latter half of the 16th century.

The word truly became formalized when Bishop Ajayi Crowther released his Yoruba dictionary. It must be said that Akú, a word used by some Europeans to describe Yoruba people. It was derived from the first words used in greeting in Nigeria (Ẹ kú àárọ? - good morning and Ẹ kú alẹ? - good evening). Akú is still used in certain parts of the world such as Sierra Leone.

What does the word mean itself? A few Yoruba heritage articles and Facebook group believe in the theory that the Yoruba word was formed from a derogatory term used by Hausa-Fulani traders to name people from the South-West.

Yoruba people were seen as tricksters and shrewd negotiators in business. Northerners allegedly started calling them Yaribansa which supposedly means bastard. Over the years the corruption of the word Yaribansa would develop to Yoruba.

There is no proof that this theory is accurate. It should be categorized as Internet alternative facts that float on shady websites.

Maybe the meaning of Yoruba has been lost in time. This is what we do know- the scholar Ahmed Baba al Massufi was the first to use the word to describe people from Oyo people and later people who originated from the South West.

The words Omoluabi and Omo Odua is preferred by some to describe Yoruba people. They feel it properly indicates the heritage and origin of Yoruba people.

Well, the Yoruba name has stuck. Millions of people know and read about the Yoruba tribe. The meaning of the word shouldn't be a concern. Whatever the original meaning was, the name Yoruba is a brand.
https://www.pulse.ng/gist/yoruba-what-is-the-meaning-of-the-word/094n5sc[/s]

LegendHero:
The topic has already been debunked coz the tag Yoruba already existed even before the Hausa/Fulani knew the road to Oyo kingdom.

The first mosque was built in 1655 even when the Hausa never even thought of migrating to Oyo.

The Malian traders brought Islam to the Yorubas which explains why our old people call Islam Esin Imale (religion of the Malians)

Shonghai scholar Ahmad Baba actually was the one that gave that name to the Oyo people to classify them.

So either FFK is mentally deranged or he is psychologically handicapped to even mention that the name originated from the Hausa/Fulanis.

Also if you check front page, you will see the prints from library of Congress that captured Yoruba name in the early 18th century. Fulani invaded Oyo toward the late 18th century or early 19th century. So where did FFK the crack head got his news from?

Makuos19:
Historical facts and theories don't provide answers to the meaning of Yoruba.
Whats in a name? In Africa and especially in Nigeria, we believe that names have deeper meanings. They are contextual and layered.
A person's name reveals the circumstances surrounding their birth. In other cases, it represents the hopes and aspirations parents have for their kids.

The names of African countries also have meanings too. Nigeria is a mash-up of two words 'Niger' for River Niger and 'Area'. Morroco means the "Land of God". Ivory Coast is perhaps one of most descriptive names to give a country.

What about tribes? What is the meaning of the word Yoruba? A quick search on this revealed to me that the existence of the word Yoruba first showed up in the 16th century.

The scholar Ahmed Baba al Massufi used the word to describe the people of the Oyo kingdom in a treatise written by him. The word Yoruba was first used to describe people from Oyo only but later on it was used to describe people who spoke the language from the latter half of the 18th century.

The word truly became formalized when Bishop Ajayi Crowther released his Yoruba dictionary. It must be said that Akú, a word used by some Europeans to describe Yoruba people. It was derived from the first words used in greeting in Nigeria (Ẹ kú àárọ? - good morning and Ẹ kú alẹ? - good evening). Akú is still used in certain parts of the world such as Sierra Leone.

What does the word mean itself? A few Yoruba heritage articles and Facebook group believe in the theory that the Yoruba word was formed from a derogatory term used by Hausa-Fulani traders to name people from the South-West.

Yoruba people were seen as tricksters and shrewd negotiators in business. Northerners allegedly started calling them Yaribansa which supposedly means bastard. Over the years the corruption of the word Yaribansa would develop to Yoruba.

There is no proof that this theory is accurate. It should be categorized as Internet alternative facts that float on shady websites.

Maybe the meaning of Yoruba has been lost in time. This is what we do know- the scholar Ahmed Baba al Massufi was the first to use the word to describe people from Oyo people and later people who originated from the South West.

The words Omoluabi and Omo Odua is preferred by some to describe Yoruba people. They feel it properly indicates the heritage and origin of Yoruba people.

Well, the Yoruba name has stuck. Millions of people know and read about the Yoruba tribe. The meaning of the word shouldn't be a concern. Whatever the original meaning was, the name Yoruba is a brand.
https://www.pulse.ng/gist/yoruba-what-is-the-meaning-of-the-word/094n5sc

justnairalande:
You have just said a bunch of unproven nonesense.
The only crackhead I see is you. All you said is a total lie. an other of you people's trademarks. (Deception)
The topic which is FFK's statement is true and still stands.

LegendHero:
Will you believe me if I give proof to all I’ve said?

If I present you proof will you take back your statement and apologize?

justnairalande:
It seems you just like making nonesensical statements.
If you have proof then why don't you just provide ?
What I know is that your tribesmen have a tendency to be deceptive, and cook up things to fit their narratives.
You don't need to make a speach about "if I provide proof..." unless you are preparing the field for a fake proof.
FFK's statement still stands.

LegendHero:
First Image: Encyclopedia showing that the name Yoruba originated from Ahmad Baba in the 16th century

Second Image: Showed the Fulani emirate invaded Oyo just in the early 19th century (So the name already existed before the Fulani came, meaning FFK is mentally deranged)

Third Image: The print from the Library of Congress in early 18th century, that mentioned the word Yoruba and even referred tho the name 50 years later before the coming of the Dan Fodio Jihad.

Fourth Image: The reference on Wikipedia that showed the first mosque was built in Yoruba land in 1655.

FFK is a Dundee crackhead who knows nothing about history. He just sit down in his room and dish out hate and unverifiable facts online to his followers who obviously can’t think on their own.

For the Library of Congress prints, I can give you the call number to get that book. They have lot of historical manuscripts that dated back to the 16th century. You can read even the Igbo history if you want.

justnairalande:
1) new world encyclopedia is a blog, not reliable. If you want to use information you got from it, then you need to verrify them first and provide proof of them. You should be showing first hand historical documents, not claims of people saying they have seen such first hand documents. That is the way historians eliminate fraudsters like yourself.
2) Second image is from a wikipedia page, unreliable. Written by common folks with their various interests and I can modify it myself if I want to.
3) Third image is without source and therefor meaningless. I can also post old looking papers and claim they are from the roman empire.
4) the last image is just as ridiculous as the first three.

I knew you were going to present some bull s;h.it and call it proof. Your regular trademark.
Sorry, try again later.
FFK's statement still stands.

LegendHero:
This is the source to the Library of congress book. If you still deny after this then I will stop dignifying you with a reply.

Note: you can also search for any historical fact you wanna know. Stop limiting yourself by beleiving a crack head FFK. Read bro, you can reall all this by yourself and stop living your life based on hearsay!

Read the history of Igbo, Nigeria, everything on that site. If you even want I can give you my New York Times subscription to read live newspaper about Nigeria in the 1870s upward.

Gracias!
https://www.loc.gov/resource/lcrbmrp.t8042/?sp=5&r=-1.426,0.729,3.852,1.458,0

LegendHero:
This is the source to the Library of congress book. If you still deny after this then I will stop dignifying you with a reply.

Gracias!
https://www.loc.gov/resource/lcrbmrp.t8042/?sp=5&r=-1.426,0.729,3.852,1.458,0

LegendHero:
This is the source to the Library of congress book. If you still deny after this then I will stop dignifying you with a reply.

Note: you can also search for any historical fact you wanna know. Stop limiting yourself by beleiving a crack head FFK. Read bro, you can read all this by yourself and stop living your life based on hearsay!

Read the history of Igbo, Nigeria, everything on that site. If you even want I can give you my New York Times subscription to read live newspaper about Nigeria in prints from the year 1870s upward.

Gracias!
https://www.loc.gov/resource/lcrbmrp.t8042/?sp=5&r=-1.426,0.729,3.852,1.458,0

Makuos19:
MUST READ !!!

Have you always thought about where the word Yoruba originate?? Have you heard many misconception and misapprehension that left you baffled?? That was what got hold of me too so I decided to dig into it.
What is the meaning of Yoruba? Does it have any inclination to our language? This is a thought provoking topic that needs profound reasoning and intense research for better understanding.

It is time we faced the monster that keeps trailing us whom many try to ignore. In Yoruba culture, appellation is often derived from a prerequisite factor or foretelling. For fact telling, some name their child Owolabi hoping the child will bring fortune to the family, another one is that almost all Yoruba towns have their names derived from an event or a factor as illustrated in; Eba-Odan – Ibadan, Abe Okuta Olumo – Abeokuta and Ibi ti Ile ti yo – Oyo and so forth. However, these factors appear not partake in the word Yoruba.

I asked a lot of people to define Yoruba, nobody had a clue so I decided to return to history and I delved into what Yoruba scholars of the past centuries had written. Slowly I began to unravel the mystery of our name.
The first hint I got was from an ordinary search which spouted Yoruba. What does that mean?? I carried on, I moved on to the always ready Yoruba dictionary written by Samuel Ajayi Crowther which defines ‘Yoruba’ as a bastard and deceitful person.

Another came from the one I found on a scholarly written journal of Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu who insisted Yoruba is a name derived from Hausa language which means deceit. He claimed he found the definition at York Museum in England dating to the 19th century.
Before I go further here, I would like to stress how the name came aboard. It has been recorded that the Hausa-Fulani who had been in contact with the Yoruba even before the rise of Oyo Empire had for some reasons chosen to call us Yoruba, or Yaribansa.

Perhaps this might have been a result of Yoruba people’s bargaining skills which often made the Fulani traders fall victim of trade by barter. Another one I stumbled on was narrated by another scholar who said the name Yoruba started protruding during the clash between Yoruba and Fulani that steered the lost of Ilorin to them in the 18th century.

The Igbos had cleansed themselves off ‘Yinmiri’, a name the Hausa-Fulani had technically given to them. The igbos have today refuted Yinmiri to be a derogatory word, however, the reverse is the case for the Yoruba. From findings I have made, Yaribansa is a Fulani word meaning Bastard. An extremely derogatory word in Yoruba discourse.

I read one of Professor Ade Ajayi’s book “Yoruba Warfare in the Nineteenth century” where he insisted that during the indirect rule era, it was necessary for the imperialists to give a unique name to the entire towns and people who spoke Yoruba language.

Somehow, they settled for Yoruba. Yoruba is a deviation of Yoruba which the Yoruba people of that century rejected. The Ijebu, Ijesa and Egba rejected this name vehemently but because during the Kiriji war (the Yoruba civil war) where the collapse of Oyo Empire commenced and the signalling factor the imperialists used to prompt the rule over Oyo from covers. The name Yoruba was foisted on Oyo and Ibadan mainly on documents and slowly the name Yoruba was enshrined in our culture and hence, our appellation.

Research shows that the Egba were the last to accept Yoruba as their appellation, reason coming from facts emanating from the first newspaper published in Yorubaland in 1859, goes: Iwe Iroyin Fun Ara Egba Ati Yoruba. This indicates that the Egba refused the name Yoruba as at 1859.

Furthermore, I have read the Odu Ifa and I have familiarised myself with many Ogede Ofo, Iwure and Ewi of the past generations and I have never heard where we were referred to as Yoruba, rather, as Omo Kaaro Ojiire, Omo Oduduwa or Omoluabi.

I am penning this for us to know the origin of the word Yoruba, it is a bitter pill to swallow especially now that the name has travelled far and wide, should we try to augment our appellation Yoruba? certainly too late to make any sort of modification. We might as well just carry on dealing with it.
Source & Written By: Bola Olalekan
http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/

mercyville:
No wonder they call you Igbo( slaves)...
Google Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu whom the cooked up story mentioned as an authority in his moonlight story..

Yoruba progenitor came from the civilized part of the world e g Egypt, Arabia.Reason they were not naked in 1921 like your people.
Ya Rabbi .. which means Oh God.....calling on to God literally became Yoruba...

LegendHero:
Third Image: The print from the Library of Congress in early 18th century, that mentioned the word Yoruba and even referred tho the name 50 years later before the coming of the Dan Fodio Jihad.

justnairalande:
drive your point home, what does the document prove according to you ?
Indeed that document is on the library of congress.

justnairalande:
Actually, 1860 is withing the 19th century.
The nineteenth century is the interval [1800;1899], this is because the first century is [0;99]. So you just and one to the quotien of the division of the year by 100. For example, we are in the 21st century. Not the 20th !
And when was the coming of Dan Fodio ? Besides, it is understood that the words fulani and haussa are used interchangeably by FFK.

LegendHero:
Okay let me explain what it proves.
According to historical fact, Dan Fodio Jihad in Ilorin happened in 1824 which is the first known case of the Fulani alliance or invasion of the Yoruba region.

FFK opined that the Fulanis gave the name Yoruba to the people of Oyo during those period which is a false statement coz they just came in contact en masse during those period.

Ahmad Baba is a well known scholar in the 16th century, he coined the name Yoruba to describe the people inhabiting Oyo At that period. You can also read his work up on Library of Congress. Just search for Ahmad Baba.

The prints I showed you is an account of a white man when he sojourned to the Yoruba region of Lagos, Abeokuta and Oyo. It’s almost 26 or more pages which documented his findings and he even made mention in that book about what happened 50 years earlier. You can see that the book was published in 1859 and he made mention that it was gathered since 50 years earlier (meaning 1809). That’s several decades before the invasion of Ilorin.

During those period, people write history down buy publish them decades later because prints is not that available and it’s expensive.

My final argument is that FFK is wrong, he has no knowledge of any history except those he reads on Wikipedia (Just like you said the one I posted about Wikipedia might be false too).

Let me tell you bro. I have all the live newspaper about all the slave raid the British carried out in Nigeria. I have the live newspaper of 1870 upward. I know when they invaded Benin, when they invaded oyo, when they invaded sokoto caliphate, everything is with me.

Most times I don’t wanna post most of those book here coz I may be accused of piracy or trying to post other people document online but I am willing to share them with you if you want. This is not a matter of supporting my tribe on this, but a matter of setting record straight!

LegendHero:
Okay let me explain what it proves.
According to historical fact, Dan Fodio Jihad in Ilorin happened in 1824 which is the first known case of the Fulani alliance or invasion of the Yoruba region.

LegendHero:
Ahmad Baba is a well known scholar in the 16th century, he coined the name Yoruba to describe the people inhabiting Oyo At that period. You can also read his work up on Library of Congress. Just search for Ahmad Baba.

Makuos19:
It has been recorded that the Hausa-Fulani who had been in contact with the Yoruba even before the rise of Oyo Empire had for some reasons chosen to call us Yoruba, or Yaribansa.

Perhaps this might have been a result of Yoruba people’s bargaining skills which often made the Fulani traders fall victim of trade by barter. Another one I stumbled on was narrated by another scholar who said the name Yoruba started protruding during the clash between Yoruba and Fulani that steered the lost of Ilorin to them in the 18th century.

LegendHero:
1824 is the year which Alimi assasinated Afonja. Even the Dan Fodio caliphate Itself started in 1804.

Like I said in my earlier reply to you, the Yoruba name preceded all those years and it would be absurd for FFK to link it with the Hausa/Fulanis

LegendHero:
This is the most absurd claim I’ve ever heard. It’s tactless, nonsense and rubbish.

How will they be able to force the name on Oyo. Do you think the Fulanis conquered Oyo as a whole? Don’t you know Ilorin was just an imperial outpost of the Oyo empire where Afonja was the general superintending that domain?

When the Fulani tried invading past Oyo, they were stopped by the Ibadan forces and defeated forever. Without those soldiers, the Fulanis would have had emir in Oyo Ile itself.

Seems most Nigerians are dumb and know nothing about history than regurgitating the same hearsay like the crack hear FFK.

Rubbish!

justnairalande:
At this point, it seems you have given up even trying to prove your points, you are just going to make a bunch of claims and ask the reader to do the work for you !
If you have a claim, then provide proof. I will not go further into your text, you are not proving anything, rather you are making unsubstantiated claims and assumptions at best.

LegendHero:
Haha wahala wa o. Everything I’ve said is in the book.

The author clearly gave it in his book and yet you are here telling me I’m making unsubstantiated claims?

You first asked for the source, I gave it to you. Now to read is hard for you and I still took my time to summarize for you and you said I’m making up claims.

Alright Like they always say, it’s hard to convince a man with already biased mind. I leave the writing to other nairaland with open mind.

I won’t dignify you with a reply anymore coz it’s evident we will go around in circles forever.

Lastly, I hope you won’t come again and say Library of Congress is fake, like you said bout Wikipedia.

LegendHero:
Haha wahala wa o. Everything I’ve said is in the book.

The author clearly gave it in his book and yet you are here telling me I’m making unsubstantiated claims?

You first asked for the source, I gave it to you. Now to read is hard for you and I still took my time to summarize for you and you said I’m making up claims.

Alright Like they always say, it’s hard to convince a man with already biased mind. I leave the writing to other nairaland with open mind.

I won’t dignify you with a reply anymore coz it’s evident we will go around in circles forever.

Lastly, I hope you won’t come again and say Library of Congress is fake, like you said bout Wikipedia.

LegendHero:
Third Image: The print from the Library of Congress in early 18th century, that mentioned the word Yoruba and even referred tho the name 50 years later before the coming of the Dan Fodio Jihad.

justnairalande:
Well, if you don't know that wikipedia is a website in which the common man can write what he pleases and modify what he doesn't like, then now you know. Also, I am not going to boast knowmedge of the validity of the website called library of congress. I just assumed it were valid. If after asking my american friends, it turns out it wasn't valid, then I will let you know. Right now I don't have sufficient info on it. I don't know if it is actually attached to the us congress or if it is a valid historical source.

Here is what I do know, what you are saying wasn't on the page you posted. If you are quoting a certain page (other than the one you posted) then post the page and let us see. Do I need to walk you through doing things in a logical manner or are you going to grow up a little.
In other words, you haven't proven nothing. FFK's statement is still valid.

LegendHero:
First of all you don't need to have an American friend to access the link I sent to you. The Library of Congress made it an open source so you can actually view it on your own. I live in Atlanta tho but I know people that have access to the LOC from Nigeria.