₦airaland Forum

0monnak0da:
Targeted That makes plenty of sense. In your mind

So you can expect that the Yoruba will contest against Eboes whenever the opportunity arises simples

DMerciful:
Fair enough for the Yorubas to contest against Igbos afterall, that's what the constitution says. But it's also fair game for the Hausa-Fulani to contest, again that's what the constitution says. Deal?

0monnak0da:
They will make their own decision

Who are you to strike deals on their behalf?

Did they consult you in 1999?

Why then are you threatening war

DMerciful:
It is their decision yet Yoruba elders went to meet Bubu to warn his people not to contest. Why cant you see the deceit and double standard here?

DMerciful:
Obj did not negotiate, they just gave him due to the fallout from June 12. If Nigerians want integration as a nation, they have to accept that it's the turn of Igbos. You cant be swinging power btw hausas and Yorubas and expect national unity

0monnak0da:
How is that your problem?
If that happened what is wrong with that?
That is politics.
Yoruba are negotiating and scheming .
You are talking about war
You play your game and let others play theirs

Have your elders been silent? Has Ohanaeze been silent ?

Honestly you talk very childishly

Johans1991:
if they gave to OBJ free of charge then why did Ekwueme contested against him.

DMerciful:
Our engagement has been civil and that's why I continued to engage. I will have to go now since its becoming uncivil. It has been a good engagement all the same.

DMerciful:
The PDP zoned it to Yorubas. They did not come out openly to do it but everybody knows it was an unspoken truth to compensate the June 12 saga.As a new party then, they cannot officially zone it to SW but they did it via understanding. You cannot change this fact. Obj was convicted of planning a coup by Abacha. To make Obj selection possible, they hurriedly gazzetted a pardon because they knew where they were going. That primaries was to fulfill all righteousness

0monnak0da:
There is an aphorism that says that when a lie is told often it becomes "truth".

Another one says

"when water remains in the mouth for long it becomes saliva"

The PDP zoned the 1999 Presidency to the SOUTH that is the reality.

Alex Ekwueme contested against Obasanjo and was roundly defeated .
THE PRIMARIES TOOK PLACE IN JOS

Now here is the interesting bit.

The same Alex Ekwueme contested again in 2003 against an incumbent Obasanjo and was defeated by 2642 votes to 611 votes
It is anyone's guess where those 611 votes came from( Maybe Tom Ikimi can help)


Why is this important Some may not know or might have forgotten and so when we hear modern Eboe revisionists say they supported Obasanjo we need to set the record straight.

THERE NEVER WAS ANY PDP ZONING TO THE YORUBAS

Rather there was zoning to the south but within the PDP especially in the North there was sympathy to the SW. The Eboes did not share this sympathy but insisted on contesting.

Again in 2003 within the same PDP they insisted on contesting

It is important to contrast this behaviour within the same PDP to what they did in 2011 , 2015 when Goodluck Jonathan contested and also in 2019 when Kwankwaso,Tambuwwal Saraki etc contested.
In short they have always seen themselves as natural rivals and spoilers for the SW.
Back to 1999 the primaries were done and dusted in the PDP and Obasanjo won . He was not the choice of the Yoruba race rather Falae was. The Eboes voted against him(Falae).
We must recall that the Eboes voted against Abiola.

To my mind it amounts to cheap blackmail after the antics of Ekwueme to demand that the Yoruba do not contest against them.
Pray tell, what would have happened if Ekwueme defeated Obasanjo in PDP?
Did they recognize any TURN

We must set the record straight on this . They did not recognize the turn of the Yoruba and actively contested against it. It was their right and the Yoruba did not begrudge them that.
I challenge anyone to show any complaint by the Yoruba when Ekwueme contested
Any time the Presidency is zoned to the south the same competition will happen.
Do we say to Brazil when they get to the World Cup final to let their opponent win because they have won it before?

The Eboes have no moral basis to ask the Yoruba to cede anything to them . That is the height of dishonesty.
The Eboes like to pretend that the North is one and there should be no microzoning there but in the south they remember that there is SW,SS and SE.
Why do they not advocate for the Turns of the Tivs,Igala,Jukun,Nupe,Berom etc.

Yes there may be a good argument for an Eboe President but so far we have not heard it.
What we hear is a tissue of lies and revisionism

For the record the Eboes did not cede anything to Obasanjo whether in 1999 or 2003 . They contested and were defeated.
They would have a moral claim to a "quid pro quo" if they did not contest which is exactly what the North (please note we are talking PDP) did and that is why the North was aggrieved with Goodluck Jonathan's behaviour . Interestingly the Eboes never contested against Jonathan .

One thing we can say for certain. THE YORUBA DO NOT CARRY ANY MORAL BURDEN TO CEDE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDACY TO EBOES whether in PDP or any other party.

THe Eboes never supported a Yoruba presidency rather they fell in line after defeat

0monnak0da:
There is an aphorism that says that when a lie is told often it becomes "truth".

Another one says

"when water remains in the mouth for long it becomes saliva"

The PDP zoned the 1999 Presidency to the SOUTH that is the reality.

Alex Ekwueme contested against Obasanjo and was roundly defeated .
THE PRIMARIES TOOK PLACE IN JOS

Now here is the interesting bit.

The same Alex Ekwueme contested again in 2003 against an incumbent Obasanjo and was defeated by 2642 votes to 611 votes
It is anyone's guess where those 611 votes came from( Maybe Tom Ikimi can help)


Why is this important Some may not know or might have forgotten and so when we hear modern Eboe revisionists say they supported Obasanjo we need to set the record straight.

THERE NEVER WAS ANY PDP ZONING TO THE YORUBAS

Rather there was zoning to the south but within the PDP especially in the North there was sympathy to the SW. The Eboes did not share this sympathy but insisted on contesting.

Again in 2003 within the same PDP they insisted on contesting

It is important to contrast this behaviour within the same PDP to what they did in 2011 , 2015 when Goodluck Jonathan contested and also in 2019 when Kwankwaso,Tambuwwal Saraki etc contested.
In short they have always seen themselves as natural rivals and spoilers for the SW.
Back to 1999 the primaries were done and dusted in the PDP and Obasanjo won . He was not the choice of the Yoruba race rather Falae was. The Eboes voted against him(Falae).
We must recall that the Eboes voted against Abiola.

To my mind it amounts to cheap blackmail after the antics of Ekwueme to demand that the Yoruba do not contest against them.
Pray tell, what would have happened if Ekwueme defeated Obasanjo in PDP?
Did they recognize any TURN

We must set the record straight on this . They did not recognize the turn of the Yoruba and actively contested against it. It was their right and the Yoruba did not begrudge them that.
I challenge anyone to show any complaint by the Yoruba when Ekwueme contested
Any time the Presidency is zoned to the south the same competition will happen.
Do we say to Brazil when they get to the World Cup final to let their opponent win because they have won it before?

The Eboes have no moral basis to ask the Yoruba to cede anything to them . That is the height of dishonesty.
The Eboes like to pretend that the North is one and there should be no microzoning there but in the south they remember that there is SW,SS and SE.
Why do they not advocate for the Turns of the Tivs,Igala,Jukun,Nupe,Berom etc.

Yes there may be a good argument for an Eboe President but so far we have not heard it.
What we hear is a tissue of lies and revisionism

For the record the Eboes did not cede anything to Obasanjo whether in 1999 or 2003 . They contested and were defeated.
They would have a moral claim to a "quid pro quo" if they did not contest which is exactly what the North (please note we are talking PDP) did and that is why the North was aggrieved with Goodluck Jonathan's behaviour . Interestingly the Eboes never contested against Jonathan .

One thing we can say for certain. THE YORUBA DO NOT CARRY ANY MORAL BURDEN TO CEDE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDACY TO EBOES whether in PDP or any other party.

THe Eboes never supported a Yoruba presidency rather they fell in line after defeat

0monnak0da:
It justs gets you banned
Iwetago?

DMerciful:
The hausas voted for Yorubas at the primary because the intent was to make Yorubas emerge. They should do same for the Igbos or else!

DMerciful:
Obj did not negotiate, they just gave him due to the fallout from June 12. If Nigerians want integration as a nation, they have to accept that it's the turn of Igbos. You cant be swinging power btw hausas and Yorubas and expect national unity

celeiyke:
Keep deceiving ursef. The presidency was zoned to the Yoruba to compensate them for Abiola. Empty heads with access to internet everywhere

izombie:
igbos never said the presidency was zoned to the south west in 99 but that the yorubas have done their 8 years from 1999 to 2007 and so it should be the time of igbos in 2023.
We have heard the likes of fashola say that apc and buhari will zone the preaidency to the south west in 2023 if you people support buhari in the last election. And it's all over here in nairaland.

DMerciful:
How do you achieve Igbo presidency with Yorubas in the ticket? Why can't 1999 be repeated for SE for the sake of equity and equal participation?

DMerciful:
So since you say equity is benefitting from hard work, let's scrap the zoning in its entirety and let everybody work hard and make necessary alliances. You cannot define equity to suit you, has to be general so even Kwakwanso and Elrufai should contest

DMerciful:
It's not about presidency but a clear message that we will keep marginalizing you. A clear message that we will ensure you never become number 1 in the nearest future! A message of collective dislike ! So what's the point of being where you're not wanted?

oyatz:
So if an Igboman is defeated in a Nigerian presidential election, it means the Igbos arey wanted in Nigieria and they will prefer to go to war again?

oyatz:
El-Rufai and Kwankwanso are free to contest but that doesn't mean they must win or Tinubu, Amaechi, Fashola, Umahi or Osinbajo should not contest.

Even I myself will contest soon.

oyatz:
You are right bro, 1999 can be repeated for the Igbos but that will depend greatly on the politics played by the Igbos.

oyatz:
So why did the following campaigned vigorously and spent heavily contesting for the PDP ticket in 1999?

Dr Alex Ekwueme
Chief Jim Nwobodo
Chief Don Etiebet
Chief Philip Asiodu
Graham-Douglas?

Pls tell ur drug Lord to contest

Nyamuri:
Wow!! Op this trend is a very eye opener for me, I never thought along this line.. everything you said is on point

Why are nyamuri flat.heads generalizing the north as one, but when it come to south, they suddenly remember SW/SE/SS.. if that is they case, we should propagate for the jukun,Kanuri,tiv,berom etc to govern the country

I have always said it, we core northerners will never support an ibo presidency.. let them keep deceiving themselves that its their turn

Bridget95:
you are not a northern,stop talking like a bush man.Northerns don't boast like this.