0monnak0da:
There is an aphorism that says that when a lie is told often it becomes "truth".

Another one says

"when water remains in the mouth for long it becomes saliva"

The PDP zoned the 1999 Presidency to the SOUTH that is the reality.

Alex Ekwueme contested against Obasanjo and was roundly defeated .
THE PRIMARIES TOOK PLACE IN JOS

Now here is the interesting bit.

The same Alex Ekwueme contested again in 2003 against an incumbent Obasanjo and was defeated by 2642 votes to 611 votes
It is anyone's guess where those 611 votes came from( Maybe Tom Ikimi can help)


Why is this important Some may not know or might have forgotten and so when we hear modern Eboe revisionists say they supported Obasanjo we need to set the record straight.

THERE NEVER WAS ANY PDP ZONING TO THE YORUBAS

Rather there was zoning to the south but within the PDP especially in the North there was sympathy to the SW. The Eboes did not share this sympathy but insisted on contesting.

Again in 2003 within the same PDP they insisted on contesting

It is important to contrast this behaviour within the same PDP to what they did in 2011 , 2015 when Goodluck Jonathan contested and also in 2019 when Kwankwaso,Tambuwwal Saraki etc contested.
In short they have always seen themselves as natural rivals and spoilers for the SW.
Back to 1999 the primaries were done and dusted in the PDP and Obasanjo won . He was not the choice of the Yoruba race rather Falae was. The Eboes voted against him(Falae).
We must recall that the Eboes voted against Abiola.

To my mind it amounts to cheap blackmail after the antics of Ekwueme to demand that the Yoruba do not contest against them.
Pray tell, what would have happened if Ekwueme defeated Obasanjo in PDP?
Did they recognize any TURN

We must set the record straight on this . They did not recognize the turn of the Yoruba and actively contested against it. It was their right and the Yoruba did not begrudge them that.
I challenge anyone to show any complaint by the Yoruba when Ekwueme contested
Any time the Presidency is zoned to the south the same competition will happen.
Do we say to Brazil when they get to the World Cup final to let their opponent win because they have won it before?

The Eboes have no moral basis to ask the Yoruba to cede anything to them . That is the height of dishonesty.
The Eboes like to pretend that the North is one and there should be no microzoning there but in the south they remember that there is SW,SS and SE.
Why do they not advocate for the Turns of the Tivs,Igala,Jukun,Nupe,Berom etc.

Yes there may be a good argument for an Eboe President but so far we have not heard it.
What we hear is a tissue of lies and revisionism

For the record the Eboes did not cede anything to Obasanjo whether in 1999 or 2003 . They contested and were defeated.
They would have a moral claim to a "quid pro quo" if they did not contest which is exactly what the North (please note we are talking PDP) did and that is why the North was aggrieved with Goodluck Jonathan's behaviour . Interestingly the Eboes never contested against Jonathan .

One thing we can say for certain. THE YORUBA DO NOT CARRY ANY MORAL BURDEN TO CEDE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDACY TO EBOES whether in PDP or any other party.

THe Eboes never supported a Yoruba presidency rather they fell in line after defeat

"Yet in spite of being so dominant, the Yoruba complained and complained of marginalization. Of recent, in recognition of the trauma which hit the South-West after June 12, the rest of the country forced everyone out of the race to ensure that a South-Westerner emerged, often against the best advice of political activists."

-Sanusi Lamido Sanusi (from his famous article, "Yorubas Are The Problem of Nigeria"

Abeg you people should go and look for better ways to promote the Tinubu 2023 pipedream Face el-rufai and babagana kingibe who the north are going to choose from

0monnak0da:
There is an aphorism that says that when a lie is told often it becomes "truth".

Another one says

"when water remains in the mouth for long it becomes saliva"

The PDP zoned the 1999 Presidency to the SOUTH that is the reality.

Alex Ekwueme contested against Obasanjo and was roundly defeated .
THE PRIMARIES TOOK PLACE IN JOS

Now here is the interesting bit.

The same Alex Ekwueme contested again in 2003 against an incumbent Obasanjo and was defeated by 2642 votes to 611 votes
It is anyone's guess where those 611 votes came from( Maybe Tom Ikimi can help)


Why is this important Some may not know or might have forgotten and so when we hear modern Eboe revisionists say they supported Obasanjo we need to set the record straight.

THERE NEVER WAS ANY PDP ZONING TO THE YORUBAS

Rather there was zoning to the south but within the PDP especially in the North there was sympathy to the SW. The Eboes did not share this sympathy but insisted on contesting.

Again in 2003 within the same PDP they insisted on contesting

It is important to contrast this behaviour within the same PDP to what they did in 2011 , 2015 when Goodluck Jonathan contested and also in 2019 when Kwankwaso,Tambuwwal Saraki etc contested.
In short they have always seen themselves as natural rivals and spoilers for the SW.
Back to 1999 the primaries were done and dusted in the PDP and Obasanjo won . He was not the choice of the Yoruba race rather Falae was. The Eboes voted against him(Falae).
We must recall that the Eboes voted against Abiola.

To my mind it amounts to cheap blackmail after the antics of Ekwueme to demand that the Yoruba do not contest against them.
Pray tell, what would have happened if Ekwueme defeated Obasanjo in PDP?
Did they recognize any TURN

We must set the record straight on this . They did not recognize the turn of the Yoruba and actively contested against it. It was their right and the Yoruba did not begrudge them that.
I challenge anyone to show any complaint by the Yoruba when Ekwueme contested
Any time the Presidency is zoned to the south the same competition will happen.
Do we say to Brazil when they get to the World Cup final to let their opponent win because they have won it before?

The Eboes have no moral basis to ask the Yoruba to cede anything to them . That is the height of dishonesty.
The Eboes like to pretend that the North is one and there should be no microzoning there but in the south they remember that there is SW,SS and SE.
Why do they not advocate for the Turns of the Tivs,Igala,Jukun,Nupe,Berom etc.

Yes there may be a good argument for an Eboe President but so far we have not heard it.
What we hear is a tissue of lies and revisionism

For the record the Eboes did not cede anything to Obasanjo whether in 1999 or 2003 . They contested and were defeated.
They would have a moral claim to a "quid pro quo" if they did not contest which is exactly what the North (please note we are talking PDP) did and that is why the North was aggrieved with Goodluck Jonathan's behaviour . Interestingly the Eboes never contested against Jonathan .

One thing we can say for certain. THE YORUBA DO NOT CARRY ANY MORAL BURDEN TO CEDE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDACY TO EBOES whether in PDP or any other party.

THe Eboes never supported a Yoruba presidency rather they fell in line after defeat

"In the recent transition when the Igbo solidly supported the PDP in the hope of an Ekwueme presidency, the North and South-West treated this as a Biafra agenda.Every rule set for the primaries, every gentleman´s agreement was set aside to ensure that Obasanjo, not Ekwueme emerged as the candidate. Things went as far as getting the Federal Government to hurriedly gazette a pardon. Now, with this government, the marginalistion of the Igbo is more complete than ever before"

Sanusi Lamido Sanusi (from his famous article Yorubas are the Problem of Nigeria)

There was an unwritten agreement by the elite for a Yoruba man to become president. Igbo elite like Jim Nwobodo who famously spoke in Hausa during the PDP convention were in on it and worked against Ekwueme. Orji Uzor Kalu's role is not forgotten too.

Nice try OP but some of us remember these things and will always puncture your propaganda

YorubaHero12:


Haha lol. Seems you guys have learnt how to be civil. If it was before you would have started calling the northerners cow and abuse the guy.

But it seems the Igbos are learning to be humble now coz of the 2023 presidency and your elders and governors even had to write a letter of appreciation to Buhari who you love to term Jubril.

What changed?

You are making silly comments.The governors are working for the federal government headed by the president,it is right that they thank him for granting their request.Igbos have no issues with the North after all we supported Atiku a northern and Fulani in 2019.Stuck you hated to your azz!

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YorubaHero12:


Haha lol. Seems you guys have learnt how to be civil. If it was before you would have started calling the northerners cow and abuse the guy.

But it seems the Igbos are learning to be humble now coz of the 2023 presidency and your elders and governors even had to write a letter of appreciation to Buhari who you love to term Jubril.

What changed?

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Welcome back bleh

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YorubaHero12:


Haha lol. Seems you guys have learnt how to be civil. If it was before you would have started calling the northerners cow and abuse the guy.

But it seems the Igbos are learning to be humble now coz of the 2023 presidency and your elders and governors even had to write a letter of appreciation to Buhari who you love to term Jubril.

What changed?

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trash

You have no say in the determination of who becomes the councilor in your ward, how did you arrogate to yourself the powers to determine the ethnicity of the next president of Nigeria?

BoboNkiti19:
yorubas are not smelling that presidency, you can take that to the bank. Na here we go dey come 2023, let God keep us and the major players of that election alive to witness how events will unfold... with Bubu gone on 2023,we will see which candidate APC will bring out that will command the same amount of clout and followership as Buhari does.

Gen Olusegun Obasanjo who defeated Dr Alex Ekwueme and Chief Jim Nwobodo at the 1999 PDP convention is a Christian. Islam played no roles in that Election.

DMerciful:
How did they defeat Ekwueme who was a founding member? Through Northern votes! The Northerners have used their population to ensure Igbos are defeated politically esp because Islam is not welcome in SE. It's all about religion. Same Northerners with ensure SW wins if they are in the ticket in 2023! So what's the point?

Excuse me sir, can't you argue your case without dragging the Yorubas along?

Are the Igbos playing the kind of Politics that Yorubas are playing or the Igbos are abusing the Yorubas and calling them slaves? Why demanding to be treated like the Yorubas you so much hate?





Think deeply about these.

DMerciful:
Did Igbos not vote Yaradua? Did Igbos not vote Tofa? Did Igbos not vote Atiku? Did Igbos not vote Shagari? Or are these not Northerners? You can see when people want to scheme you out, they will fabricate excuses. What Igbos are saying is that what was done for yorubas in 1999 should be done for igbos

oyatz:
Gen Olusegun Obasanjo who defeated Dr Alex Ekwueme and Chief Jim Nwobodo at the 1999 PDP convention is a Christian. Islam played no roles in that Election.

This is why I say they are childish
You are arguing with a people that are determined not to reason but will throw all manner of sentimental nonsense at you

For them the truth is just an inconvenience

They should explain how they collaborated with the same north to relegate Awolowo to oppostion

FOUR TIMES
1960
1965
1979
1983

Even in 1993 they voted Tofa against Abiola

and no one talked of war.

In 1999 and 2003 Ekwueme contested

How then can you now say Yoruba in APC should not contest
Did APGA not contest?

The Print media was largely in the hands of the west in those days.

I challenge them to bring one newspaper where the SW so much as questioned their decision to form coalition with the north

We respect everyone's right to make choices

Let them stop the blackmail

DMerciful:
They deceived him that they will give him so he was hopeful. Remember Obj was in prison,
he had no money to prosecute a primary, he wasnt even eligible until a pardon was 'arranged'

who deceive him? Why are the igbos afraid to contest against the yorubas in 2023?

Johans1991:
who deceive him? Why are the igbos afraid to contest against the yorubas in 2023?

Because they know the outcome already. They will be disgraced.
Instead of taking a strategic position and seek to mend their ways they are resorting to empty threats driven by hubris
Nigerians will only vote a people committed to Nigeria.
All this talk of Biafra does not help their case but they expect to continue the same action ,the same pattern and achieve a different outcome.
If they do no learn humility and collaboration they can forget it.
No one owes them anything.
They must learn genuine humilty which from all the evidence is a very long thing

People will vote an Eboe president not out of sympathy but because they believe it is their interest to do so

The task of the Eboes is to CONVINCE people.
Their current approach is doing the exact opposite.
They have said there will be war if they are not elected so many people want to see that war

Nobody was forced out of any race.
The only group of politicians who CONCEEDED (not forced out) were Northern politicians.
Even at then, the former Governor of Kano State,Alh Abubakar Rimi still contested in the 1999 PDP primary election.

nku5:


"Yet in spite of being so dominant, the Yoruba complained and complained of marginalization. Of recent, in recognition of the trauma which hit the South-West after June 12, the rest of the country forced everyone out of the race to ensure that a South-Westerner emerged, often against the best advice of political activists."

-Sanusi Lamido Sanusi (from his famous article, "Yorubas Are The Problem of Nigeria"

Abeg you people should go and look for better ways to promote the Tinubu 2023 pipedream Face el-rufai and babagana kingibe who the north are going to choose from

Eeyah, see frustration!

BoboNkiti19:

Why should any Igbo care about a bloody yaribanza? you lots have been politically irrelevant politically for a long time until recently after been stuck in the oasis of political opposition. Even OBJ that ruled for 8 years was put there as a lackey by the North, with significant contributions by the Igbos... The only reason you manage enter spotlight na because of Buhari(who's popularity in the North is a strategic pivot for the North to consolidate their gains for 2023 again) , take him out of the equation and you are back to been irrelevant again... 2023 will put a permanent seal of fate on you degenerates, better start preparing that Yoruba politician that will stand a chance as a flagbearer for APC... hope Tinubu becomes the man for you bas.tards.

Excuse me sir, I hope you know that the Gworo chewing illiterate Foolanis in the Zoo have the prerogacy to determine who they vote for.

DMerciful:
The hausas voted for Yorubas at the primary because the intent was to make Yorubas emerge. They should do same for the Igbos or else!

Even right now, ONLY the PDP have zoning in it's Constitution.

I am not a fan of zoning. Let El-Rufai, Atiku, Kwankwanso or whomever wants to contest seek their parties' presidential ticket.

With time, we will all see that all these fears of marginalization will fizzle out.

A Yoruba, Nupe, Igbo, Kanuri or Bini presidential candidate can win a Presidential election against ANY candidate if he/she command the Goodwill of the largest number of Nigerians.


This will surely happen...may be not in 2023.




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DMerciful:
If you feel you have real advantage, then scrap zoning in its entirety and let it become obvious that you have advantage when the whole Nigeria is in the fray

The Serbians had this megalomaniac feeling and taking everybody for granted in Yugoslavia until enough was enough. Continue your gang up against Igbos, it's just a matter of time.

oyatz:
So if an Igboman is defeated in a Nigerian presidential election, it means the Igbos arey wanted in Nigieria and they will prefer to go to war again?

DMerciful:
Is the desire to build a nation not enough reason? You are in a country of hatred and you call it politics? The only tribe that can build houses anywhere in Nigeria is the Igbos, others are afraid yet they pretend all is well. A yoruba man cannot build his house in the north even with the so called alliances because there is potential of conflicts. Is this how a nation should be?

Before 1999, Yoruba did not get as much as VP, So was there a gangup against Yoruba pre 1999? A gangup of Hausas and Ibos?

raumdeuter:


Before 1999, Yoruba did not get as much as VP, So was there a gangup against Yoruba pre 1999? A gangup of Hausas and Ibos?

There was indeed a gang up in 1960,1965,1979,1983 and 1993(it was one of them that went to court against the June 12 elections)
A gang up that saw Awo jailed and martial law imposed in the Western Region.
Yoruba endured and persevered and never threatened war.
The problem these folk have is they do not think that their actions have consequences and feign surprise when they are repaid in the same coin.
The person who defecates anonymously in a communal space forgets but those who clean up do not.

It is convenient for them now to forget when the clear message from them from day one of antipathy is unmistakable. Did Yoruba even ask them for one day why they did not vote for Abiola?
Or question their choices in 1960,1965,1979,1983?

DMerciful:
The hausas voted for Yorubas at the primary because the intent was to make Yorubas emerge. They should do same for the Igbos or else!

All this your threat of or else there would be war is for who?? Northerners ? Yorubas? Or Nigerians ?

You know there is a gang up but only denying.Its visible to the blind and audible to the deaf!

raumdeuter:


Before 1999, Yoruba did not get as much as VP, So was there a gangup against Yoruba pre 1999? A gangup of Hausas and Ibos?

Dishonesty is in your DNA sir.

1) Obasanjo was granted pardon by the Military Junta headed by Gen Abdulsalami Abubakar in 1998.

2) The PDP convention was held in 1999 and the PDP came to power on May,29,1999

3) How could PDP which didn't exist when Obasanjo was released in 1998 had hurriedly granted Obasanjo a State pardon?

4) How did a State pardon in 1998 affected the conduct of PDP primaries in 1999?

DMerciful:
The PDP zoned it to Yorubas. They did not come out openly to do it but everybody knows it was an unspoken truth to compensate the June 12 saga.As a new party then, they cannot officially zone it to SW but they did it via understanding. You cannot change this fact. Obj was convicted of planning a coup by Abacha. To make Obj selection possible, they hurriedly gazzetted a pardon because they knew where they were going. That primaries was to fulfill all righteousness

0monnak0da:

There was indeed a gang up in 1960,1965,1979,1983 and 1993(it was one of them that went to court against the June 12 elections)
A gang up that saw Awo jailed and martial law imposed in the Western Region.
Yoruba endured and persevered and never threatened war.
The problem these folk have is they do not think that their actions have consequences and feign surprise when they are repaid in the same coin.
The person who defecates anonymously in a communal space forgets but those who clean up do not.

It is convenient for them now to forget when the clear message from them from day one of antipathy is unmistakable. Did Yoruba even ask them for one day why they did not vote for Abiola?
Or question their choices in 1960,1965,1979,1983?

Ibos think they are smart and others are foolish.

You can see this attitude in every dealing whether politics or business.

If you see the Ibo drug peddler in South Africa, The Ibo fake drug or spare part dealer in Onitsha he will say he was smart and the locals are foolish

DMerciful:
You know there is a gang up but only denying.Its visible to the blind and audible to the seaf!

WHen Yorubas didnt taste the top 2 position in all democractic regimes from 1960 to 1999, Was there a gang up as well?

So the PDP zoned it's presidential ticket to the Yorubas and it was known to everybody yet astute politicians like Dr Alex Ekwueme, Chief Jim Nwobodo, Don Etiebet, Philip Asiodu and Graham-Douglas spent billions, went to PDP stakeholders all over Nigeria and contested the primaries of the party in Jos?

DMerciful:
The PDP zoned it to Yorubas. They did not come out openly to do it but everybody knows it was an unspoken truth to compensate the June 12 saga.As a new party then, they cannot officially zone it to SW but they did it via understanding. You cannot change this fact. Obj was convicted of planning a coup by Abacha. To make Obj selection possible, they hurriedly gazzetted a pardon because they knew where they were going. That primaries was to fulfill all righteousness

What's the meaning of gang up?
So if you contest for an election and you are defeated that mean there is a gang up?

DMerciful:
The Serbians had this megalomaniac feeling and taking everybody for granted in Yugoslavia until enough was enough. Continue your gang up against Igbos, it's just a matter of time.

You dont understand political planning. Was Abdulsalami not planning to handover in 1999 as at 1998? Why did the said military hurriedly gazzette a pardon? Did they go through a legal process to know if he was actually guilty? See, there was no time cause election was less than a year away and legal processes takes time so to give Obj a chance, the granted a pardon hurriedly. Go and read Sanusi famous article where is said Yorubas are the problem of Nigeria, he clearly stated it there.

oyatz:
Dishonesty is in your DNA sir.

1) Obasanjo was granted pardon by the Military Junta headed by Gen Abdulsalami Abubakar in 1998.

2) The PDP convention was held in 1999 and the PDP came to power on May,29,1999

3) How could PDP which didn't exist when Obasanjo was released in 1998 had hurriedly granted Obasanjo a State pardon?

4) How did a State pardon in 1998 affected the conduct of PDP primaries in 1999?

Your concepts of Politics especially the Nigerian Politics is far reality.

DMerciful:
Is the desire to build a nation not enough reason? You are in a country of hatred and you call it politics? The only tribe that can build houses anywhere in Nigeria is the Igbos, others are afraid yet they pretend all is well. A yoruba man cannot build his house in the north even with the so called alliances because there is potential of conflicts. Is this how a nation should be?

clarocuzioo:


Don't worry in2023 when El-Rufai becomes the president, you will know the we.

It'll be difficult for North to continue except you lack knowledge of what happened between 1992 and 1999. The North cannot hold on to power for long, though they've got the number but can't face the SW and SS troubles... that'll be the end of
the country if they tried such, as they can't
imagine Lagos and it's ports, their investments like Dangote's, Rabiu's, etc and SS's oil money slipping away; they are actually wiser than most of us in the south think. They will eventually want someone from SW and probably later from SS to be the president.

Though some of us want SE's president but the reality of thing is far from such; emotions and name callings do not produce a president. Although SE had been partnering the North since 1954 except in 2015 but they had failed to set the terms and when the North was forgetting Biafra, there comes GEJ's issue and Kanu's revival of hatred.

To some scholars, democracy is a worst form
of government in a multi-ethnic nation like
Nigeria. A group can simply be sidelined
without a perfect constitution and numbers.
Hence there is need for new constitution
(which will have the regional Independence
Clause the Eastern leaders rejected in the 50s) and true federalism (which Ironsi canceled in 1966).

You are just jumping from pillar to post. Everybody knows its Igbos turn but the challenge with you guys now is how do we cheat them and justify it hence all these 'beautiful' reasons. You claimed Igbos do not build alliances, yorubas build alliances yet the dont have investment or houses in the North. You dont trust the North not to take houses in the event of conflict yet you pretend that this is a nation.

oyatz:
Your concepts of Politics especially the Nigerian Politics is far reality.

From your writeup, you agree a restructured Nigeria will be better than this. One now wonder why the SW opposes restructuring even though they were the major proponents in the 90s.
Is it because Igbos are pro-restructuring?

alablec:


It'll be difficult for North to continue except you lack knowledge of what happened between 1992 and 1999. The North cannot hold on to power for long, though they've got the number but can't face the SW and SS troubles... that'll be the end of
the country if they tried such, as they can't
imagine Lagos and it's ports, their investments like Dangote's, Rabiu's, etc and SS's oil money slipping away; they are actually wiser than most of us in the south think. They will eventually want someone from SW and probably later from SS to be the president.

Though some of us want SE's president but the reality of thing is far from such; emotions and name callings do not produce a president. Although SE had been partnering the North since 1954 except in 2015 but they had failed to set the terms and when the North was forgetting Biafra, there comes GEJ's issue and Kanu's revival of hatred.

To some scholars, democracy is a worst form
of government in a multi-ethnic nation like
Nigeria. A group can simply be sidelined
without a perfect constitution and numbers.
Hence there is need for new constitution
(which will have the regional Independence
Clause the Eastern leaders rejected in the 50s) and true federalism (which Ironsi canceled in 1966).