gobuchinny:
Your case is pathetic sir . See you quoting confusion upon urself. So a man quotes or references a book doesnt give you enuff sense that he believes in the book.

I choose the words of God over your words bro. No offence. Those scriptures of Jude and Peter clearly quotes from the what the BOE spoke about what else do you need?

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
Smh.

MuttleyLaff:
Smh, gobuchinny, remember, I previously typed that, I quote from the Quran, but it doesnt mean I quote from the Quran because I believe or know it is a God breath book inspired work of God. I also added that, similar applies to Peter and Jude, they quoted from the accursed BoE, not to endorse it but making a point with the references to the text in it they used.

Now let me clear you more and properly. Apostle Paul wrote more than half of the 27 books, epistles and letters that make up the New Testament. Guess what gobuchinny. Apostle Paul quoted pagan unbelievers philosophers in those at least 13 books, epistles and letters written by him. Yes, he quoted Seneca, Epimenides, Menander, Plato, Socrates, Aristole and Aratus

Just as with Peter and Jude quoting the BoE, not for the purpose of endorsing it but used for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes against the false teachers, so Apostle Paul too wasnt supporting any of the pagan unbelievers philosophers he quoted from, but instead was using their material he quoted from in his work of defending and spreading the gospel.

I can give you a long list, but because of time, will limit it to just two short examples. Apostle Paul, in Acts 17:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:33 quotes from two pagan unbeliever philosophers writers, Aratus and Menander. That Acts 17:28b, where Apostle Paul says, "As some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also his offspring'", actually had the line taken from the Phaenomena of Aratus and of course Aratus is the name of the pagan unbeliever poet he did not mention, lol.

The 1 Corinthians 15:33 "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners" was lifted and copied by Apostle Paul from Thais, a work done by pagan unbeliever writer called Menander, who supposedly had earlier quoted from another person called Euripides, a pagan unbeliever scholar, lol.

gobuchinny, why dont you just show where in the 66 books of the bible, the book of Enoch is mentioned. It's either you put up or shut up.

gobuchinny:
Like I said if no be you I no go talk. If you like read BOE if you no like leave am. It's not the gospel as the bible is snuff. But for matured sons, it's a gold mine

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. When trash resides in the heart, it will be exposed in perverse speech and revealed in rubbish posts, like I've been reading on this thread

Matured sons/daughters know that the BoE is a dumpster ready made for the gullible, the waywards, those with itching ears and easily impressed. I have back to back read the BoE, and trust me there is one best place for it, and that is to be flushed down the toilet

MuttleyLaf:
[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
Smh.



Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. When trash resides in the heart, it will be exposed in perverse speech and revealed in rubbish posts, like I've been reading on this thread

Matured sons/daughters know that the BoE is a dumpster ready made for the gullible, the waywards, those with itching ears and easily impressed. I have back to back read the BoE, and trust me there is one best place for it, and that is to be flushed down the toilet

Yeah, matured sons like Peter and Jude.

OkCornel:





Gobuchinny, see someone speaking from both sides of the mouth. According to him, God didn't cast any angel into hell, but at the same time...all of the "66 books" including 2 Peter 2 and Jude were inspired by God...

Lemme keep on watching more comedy unfold here...

The guy is not a christain . Someone that thinks his better than Peter . A gentile like you and me that were lost and going astray that were drafted in suddenly wants to become an authority in christianity. Salavtion that you had to learn about. That was not local to us na em baba want turn authority even to the point to rewriting the bible

I laugh at these guys who beleive they know better than the apostles that laid the foundations. Alot of these beleifs emanates from carnal mindedness. Because they beleive the lies and books of their pastors which breeds carnality. They believe the books their pastors in gold write and are happy reading it but the BOe that is filled with spiritually food they cant discern . Dame book that points you to God and His son and tells you to remove yourself from carnality and vanity. Same thing God has been saying through out all generations.

Baby christain everywhere whose mind cant eat the meat of the gospel but are hooked on milk and crumbs. Same folk that beleive sons of God are children of Oduduwa and beleive fornication is not sin.

Instead of being humble and learn, the truth is strange to them. They r reprobate that think they can change the laws of God. Just imagine where someone is saying Peter and Jude dont know what they were saying quoting the beliefs of a book he claims to have read but cant comprehend .

How else do I show I beleive in a matter than to quote either beliefs from that book or verbatim like Jude.

His talking about Paul quoting greek writers. Not knowing that any fool can quote moral laws. You dont have to be a christain to agree with an atheist that says racism is bad . If I agree with the atheist does it mean I'm an atheist? But if I quote the traditional beliefs not moral beleifs then it proves I agree with the atheist that there is no God. America is not Gods own country, let's not deceive ourselves yet they have laws that acknowledge the human being and makes live easy for their citizens. Does it now mean they r governed by God. Morals laws have been in existence since creation even Hammurabi had laws before Israel, does it mean God copied them? Hammurabi that was a pagan wicked King from babylon

Peter didnt quote moral beleifs of the BOE but quoted traditional beliefs about Angel's sinning and being held in a hell till judgement . How is it that people cannot see that? It baffles me how peoples minds have been blinded to apostasy and being reprobates and enemies of God. For they claim to be smart but are really dull of understanding.

@okcornel my brother. I no get strength for this discuss oo. Me I want someone that is not blind to facts and can discuss intelligently. Besides I have always stated my stand. If you no like the BOE, abeg leave am for us. I'm not advocating for anyone to read the book as it's not scripture as we have it. The 66 books are enough and will lead anyone who truly reads it to eternal life which is the aim of all these books

@okcornel did you notice 2 peter 2 vs 4 -7. How Peter wrote of historical events . He started with the Angel's that sinned and were reserved in hell for judgement on the last day, and then spoke about the overthrow of man with the flood, and lastly Sodom and Gomorroh.

Also notice how he started from the earliest of the stories . To the most recent. Firstly, the angel that kept not their first estate and sinned during the time of Jared, Enoch's grandfather . Then the overthrow of the world as we had it then during Noah's time and lastly the roasting of Sodom and Gomorroh during the time of Abraham.

The writer is very vast in historical events as he laid it down chronologically and tactically.

gobuchinny:
The guy is not a christain . Someone that thinks his better than Peter . A gentile like you and me that were lost and going astray that were drafted in suddenly wants to become an authority in christianity. Salavtion that you had to learn about. That was not local to us na em baba want turn authority even to the point to rewriting the bible

I laugh at these guys who beleive they know better than the apostles that laid the foundations. Alot of these beleifs emanates from carnal mindedness. Because they beleive the lies and books of their pastors which breeds carnality. They believe the books their pastors in gold write and are happy reading it but the BOe that is filled with spiritually food they cant discern . Dame book that points you to God and His son and tells you to remove yourself from carnality and vanity. Same thing God has been saying through out all generations.

Baby christain everywhere whose mind cant eat the meat of the gospel but are hooked on milk and crumbs. Same folk that beleive sons of God are children of Oduduwa and beleive fornication is not sin.

Instead of being humble and learn, the truth is strange to them. They r reprobate that think they can change the laws of God. Just imagine where someone is saying Peter and Jude dont know what they were saying quoting the beliefs of a book he claims to have read but cant comprehend .

How else do I show I beleive in a matter than to quote either beliefs from that book or verbatim like Jude.

His talking about Paul quoting greek writers. Not knowing that any fool can quote moral laws. You dont have to be a christain to agree with an atheist that says racism is bad . If I agree with the atheist does it mean I'm an atheist? But if I quote the traditional beliefs not moral beleifs then it proves I agree with the atheist that there is no God. America is not Gods own country, let's not deceive ourselves yet they have laws that acknowledge the human being and makes live easy for their citizens. Does it now mean they r governed by God. Morals laws have been in existence since creation even Hammurabi had laws before Israel, does it mean God copied them? Hammurabi that was a pagan wicked King from babylon

Peter didnt quote moral beleifs of the BOE but quoted traditional beliefs about Angel's sinning and being held in a hell till judgement . How is it that people cannot see that? It baffles me how peoples minds have been blinded to apostasy and being reprobates and enemies of God. For they claim to be smart but are really dull of understanding.
@okcornel my brother. I no get strength for this discuss oo. Me I want someone that is not blind to facts and can discuss intelligently. Besides I have always stated my stand. If you no like the BOE, abeg leave am for us. I'm not advocating for anyone to read the book as it's not scripture as we have it. The 66 books are enough and will lead anyone who truly reads it to eternal life which is the aim of all these books

So you now all of a sudden now want to discuss facts erhn? OK, stop ranting and raving now then, lets get down to it and discuss a few facts in BoE then straightaway. Let's have you the opportunity to shine, be on centre stage and become a gobuchinny BoE star, lol, bwahahaha.

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

1/ Is the Book of Enoch outrightly and plain for the eye to given a mention anywhere in the Bible, as in meaning the word BoE was speeled out?
2/ In the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, in it, it is said, the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions, like of the The Book of Enoch Chapter 7:1-2, actually say they are three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Where or whether it is 300 0r 3000 cubits, I dont care. I just want to know, is this fact or fiction, lol. More than a football pitch length baby? Babies as high as a 45-storey building? Somebody help a brother out here, lol.
3/ Everyone knows there is only one Bible but multiple translation versions, but with the Book of Enoch, apart from the lost first century book, there are actually three different Book of Enoch and not three translation version, they dont even compliment each other, like bible translations do. Is it because BoE is a work of fiction and not factual, lol?

gobuchinny, nwanne, I have more facts I'll like you to face up to but lets just let you first deal with these simple easy first three facts or fiction. lol. bwahahaha.

@okcornel if Peter was lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology. It then means, there was no flood and that Sodom and Gomorrah is probably now America and Great Britian as there were never destroyed.

The word of God is Final. We cannot add to it nor is it of any private interpretation. It was breathed by God and is an authority. We r not to privately interpret the word of God but to take it as Thus saith the Lord. If we ever find ourselves trying to explain away fooliness when the word CLEARLY states something, it means we are proud and are taking the place of God.

If I recall, the person that did that initially was Lucifer . Were he magnified himself against God and says his better than God . I will forever follow the bible and not men. If the bible says that some Angels sinned then angels sinned. No questions and no interpretations . We r soldiers of the cross and the word is the constitution. It cannot be altered or privately explained as the explanations are plain for all to see.

Its these private explanations of the word that has led us in this mess we have now in Nigeria. Where all manner of men rise up on the name of God to interpret scriptures as they feel forgetting that there had been a doctrine before them. The same doctrine all Christians must follow. Paul said he had preached ALL the gospel. So you and I can never have any new revelation . What ever the Spirit tells us must be in conformity with the word of God. If you see Yeshua, whatever He tells you just be in alignment with the word.

But here we have authorities, and gods unto themselves who can sit in the comfort of their rooms and stand on their altars and declare bold things against God. And shake their fists at the Almighty. . Like God is not wise whereas the foolishness of God is wiser than men . Like God cannot think for Himself. Like God is subject to me and is at the mercy of men . God has been in charge and is still in charge of earth and sees all the pride and folly of men that claim to be God.

The foundations of the Lord stand the sure..........

gobuchinny:
@okcornel if Peter was lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology. It then means, there was no flood and that Sodom and Gomorrah is probably now America and Great Britian as there were never destroyed.

The word of God is Final. We cannot add to it nor is it of any private interpretation. It was breathed by God and is an authority. We r not to privately interpret the word of God but to take it as Thus saith the Lord. If we ever find ourselves trying to explain away fooliness when the word CLEARLY states something, it means we are proud and are taking the place of God.

If I recall, the person that did that initially was Lucifer . Were he magnified himself against God and says his better than God . I will forever follow the bible and not men. If the bible says that some Angels sinned then angels sinned. No questions and no interpretations . We r soldiers of the cross and the word is the constitution. It cannot be altered or privately explained as the explanations are plain for all to see.

Its these private explanations of the word that has led us in this mess we have now in Nigeria. Where all manner of men rise up on the name of God to interpret scriptures as they feel forgetting that there had been a doctrine before them. The same doctrine all Christians must follow. Paul said he had preached ALL the gospel. So you and I can never have any new revelation . What ever the Spirit tells us must be in conformity with the word of God. If you see Yeshua, whatever He tells you just be in alignment with the word.

But here we have authorities, and gods unto themselves who can sit in the comfort of their rooms and stand on their altars and declare bold things against God. And shake their fists at the Almighty. . Like God is not wise whereas the foolishness of God is wiser than men . Like God cannot think for Himself. Like God is subject to me and is at the mercy of men . God has been in charge and is still in charge of earth and sees all the pride and folly of men that claim to be God.

The foundations of the Lord stand the sure..........

Muttley is doing a great job telling us Peter and Jude were wrong to lift verses out of the BoE into their letters.

By extension, he might just be telling us certain books and chapters of the bible shouldn’t have been there in the first place

I’m just observing and enjoying the whole comedy show.

MuttleyLaff:
So you now all of a sudden now want to discuss facts erhn? OK, stop ranting and raving now then, lets get down to it and discuss a few facts in BoE then straightaway. Let's have you the opportunity to shine, be on centre stage and become a gobuchinny BoE star, lol, bwahahaha.

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

1/ Is the Book of Enoch outrightly and plain for the eye to given a mention anywhere in the Bible, as in meaning the word BoE was speeled out?
2/ In the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, in it, it is said, the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions, like of the The Book of Enoch Chapter 7:1-2, actually say they are three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Where or whether it is 300 0r 3000 cubits, I dont care. I just want to know, is this fact or fiction, lol. More than a football pitch length baby? Babies as high as a 45-storey building? Somebody help a brother out here, lol.
3/ Everyone knows there is only one Bible but multiple translation versions, but with the Book of Enoch, apart from the lost first century book, there are actually three different Book of Enoch and not three translation version, they dont even compliment each other, like bible translations do. Is it because BoE is a work of fiction and not factual, lol?

gobuchinny, nwanne, I have more facts I'll like you to face up to but lets just let you first deal with these simple easy first three facts or fiction. lol. bwahahaha.

You have tried severally to shoot down this books and each time you r also shooting down the conventional bible because it's the same Spirit. Acts 22 vs 9 Paul's account of His conversion and Acts 9 vs 7, the regular account contradicts themselves. The first says that the people with Paul did not hear any voice that spoke to Paul but the other states that the People heard but saw none. My friend you must understand that these scripture were written by Holy men and sometimes when handed down from generations, there r rewritten or translated, there r bound to be mix ups. These are after all historical events that are reported by men. Even the voice of God speaking to Israel is an historical event . Any baby christain reading acts will say the bible is fake as y the contradiction but mature beleivers understand via the Holy Spirit that man has flaws but God does not . You dont read the letter nwanne but the Spirit. The letter killeth as its killing you now but the Spirit giveth life

Furthermore one of the accounts in either Matthew or mark I cant recall states the account of the prophet that was killed of old but falsely states him as the son of another Zechariah which bible scholars acknowledged was a mix up because that account of the scripture if taken was impossible as that zechariah the bible says was not killed with a saw. It clearly connotes the human error but are we to throw away my the baby with.......

Yes there r different versions of the BOE but only one authentic which is the one myself and @okcornel have been quoting. It wont take much for a Spirit filled beleiver to read all and decipher which one is dung. It further proves that the devil is working hard to deceive people into not reading the book . Because were there r fakes, there must of certainty be an original. These is also applicable to the book of Jasher but any spirit filled beleiver quickly knows the real book of Jasher and mocks the others cause it's like a joke. That y you have the Holy Spirit my friend, or dont you have him?

my friend there is nothing you wanna say to accuse that book that wont fall also on the conventional word as it's written with the same Spirit of prophecy.

Still waiting for fact sir as all you have said have been thrashed out here with further biblical proofs.

I think a better question should be

Why the Bible is made of the the present 66 or 73 books. Who decided on that. Under what grounds. How can anyone be sure that the 66 books we have are all meant to be in the holy book.

Let's go even deeper.

Why should there be any holy book at all. Who decided that the word of God must be exclusively in a written Form.

After all, all these decisions were made by men. What if they were wrong?

gobuchinny:
@okcornel if Peter was lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology.
It then means, there was no flood and that Sodom and Gomorrah is probably now America and Great Britian as there were never destroyed.

The word of God is Final. We cannot add to it nor is it of any private interpretation. It was breathed by God and is an authority. We r not to privately interpret the word of God but to take it as Thus saith the Lord. If we ever find ourselves trying to explain away fooliness when the word CLEARLY states something, it means we are proud and are taking the place of God.

If I recall, the person that did that initially was Lucifer . Were he magnified himself against God and says his better than God . I will forever follow the bible and not men. If the bible says that some Angels sinned then angels sinned. No questions and no interpretations . We r soldiers of the cross and the word is the constitution. It cannot be altered or privately explained as the explanations are plain for all to see.

Its these private explanations of the word that has led us in this mess we have now in Nigeria. Where all manner of men rise up on the name of God to interpret scriptures as they feel forgetting that there had been a doctrine before them. The same doctrine all Christians must follow. Paul said he had preached ALL the gospel. So you and I can never have any new revelation . What ever the Spirit tells us must be in conformity with the word of God. If you see Yeshua, whatever He tells you just be in alignment with the word.

But here we have authorities, and gods unto themselves who can sit in the comfort of their rooms and stand on their altars and declare bold things against God. And shake their fists at the Almighty. . Like God is not wise whereas the foolishness of God is wiser than men . Like God cannot think for Himself. Like God is subject to me and is at the mercy of men . God has been in charge and is still in charge of earth and sees all the pride and folly of men that claim to be God.

The foundations of the Lord stand the sure..........

"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

"Where did Peter, Jude and Paul denounce the book of Enoch as fraud?
Same book of Enoch Jesus quoted from abi? Nice joke."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by ỌkCornel(m): 8:22am On Aug 20

I know you guys hardly read long posts, if at all you do manage to read them, you dont carefully read them or you quickly forget what you've read.

I have never written that Peter or Jude were lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology I also have never ever written anything to the the effect that Peter and Jude were wrong to lift verses out of the BoE into their letters. I have extensively expressed how and why, the reasons, Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, lol, but you guys are still no the wiser, lol. Smh

I would repeat myself and summarise in three to four words, the reason why Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, it is because they were denouncing the book and pointing out "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", and "heresy(ies)" in the book. Those already familiar with the BoE and who are ardent supporters of the book, knew that it is the BoE, that Peter and Jude were quoting from, without even the name BoE being mentioned and used to lambast them with.

gobuchinny:
You have tried severally to shoot down this books and each time you r also shooting down the conventional bible because it's the same Spirit. Acts 22 vs 9 Paul's account of His conversion and Acts 9 vs 7, the regular account contradicts themselves. The first says that the people with Paul did not hear any voice that spoke to Paul but the other states that the People heard but saw none. My friend you must understand that these scripture were written by Holy men and sometimes when handed down from generations, there r rewritten or translated, there r bound to be mix ups. These are after all historical events that are reported by men. Even the voice of God speaking to Israel is an historical event . Any baby christain reading acts will say the bible is fake as y the contradiction but mature beleivers understand via the Holy Spirit that man has flaws but God does not . You dont read the letter nwanne but the Spirit. The letter killeth as its killing you now but the Spirit giveth life

Furthermore one of the accounts in either Matthew or mark I cant recall states the account of the prophet that was killed of old but falsely states him as the son of another Zechariah which bible scholars acknowledged was a mix up because that account of the scripture if taken was impossible as that zechariah the bible says was not killed with a saw. It clearly connotes the human error but are we to throw away my the baby with.......

Yes there r different versions of the BOE but only one authentic which is the one myself and @okcornel have been quoting. It wont take much for a Spirit filled beleiver to read all and decipher which one is dung. It further proves that the devil is working hard to deceive people into not reading the book . Because were there r fakes, there must of certainty be an original. These is also applicable to the book of Jasher but any spirit filled beleiver quickly knows the real book of Jasher and mocks the others cause it's like a joke. That y you have the Holy Spirit my friend, or dont you have him?

my friend there is nothing you wanna say to accuse that book that wont fall also on the conventional word as it's written with the same Spirit of prophecy.
Still waiting for fact sir [s]as all you have said have been thrashed out here with further biblical proofs.[/s]

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

1/ Is the Book of Enoch outrightly and plain for the eye to given a mention anywhere in the Bible, as in meaning the word BoE was speeled out?
2/ In the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, in it, it is said, the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions, like of the The Book of Enoch Chapter 7:1-2, actually say they are three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Where or whether it is 300 0r 3000 cubits, I dont care. I just want to know, is this fact or fiction, lol. More than a football pitch length baby? Babies as high as a 45-storey building? Somebody help a brother out here, lol.
3/ Everyone knows there is only one Bible but multiple translation versions, but with the Book of Enoch, apart from the lost first century book, there are actually three different Book of Enoch and not three translation version, they dont even compliment each other, like bible translations do. Is it because BoE is a work of fiction and not factual, lol?

gobuchinny, nwanne, I have more facts I'll like you to face up to but lets just let you first deal with these simple easy first three facts or fiction. lol. bwahahaha.

post=83931979:
"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

"Where did Peter, Jude and Paul denounce the book of Enoch as fraud?
Same book of Enoch Jesus quoted from abi? Nice joke."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by ỌkCornel(m): 8:22am On Aug 20

I know you guys hardly read long posts, if at all you do manage to read them, you dont carefully read them or you quickly forget what you've read.

I have never written that Peter or Jude were lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology I also have never ever written anything to the the effect that Peter and Jude were wrong to lift verses out of the BoE into their letters. I have extensively expressed how and why, the reasons, Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, lol, but you guys are still no the wiser, lol. Smh

I would repeat myself and summarise in three to four words, the reason why Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, it is because they were denouncing the book and pointing out "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", and "heresy(ies)" in the book. Those already familiar with the BoE and who are ardent supporters of the book, knew that it is the BoE, that Peter and Jude were quoting from, without even the name BoE being mentioned and used to lambast them with.

Abeg, how did Peter and Jude denounce the BoE?

By agreeing the angels sinned and were casted into hell? By agreeing certain angels rebelled and left their first estate? By agreeing these angels are bound with chains awaiting judgement?


I’m really loving this joke.

MuttleyLaff:
"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

"Where did Peter, Jude and Paul denounce the book of Enoch as fraud?
Same book of Enoch Jesus quoted from abi? Nice joke."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by ỌkCornel(m): 8:22am On Aug 20

I know you guys hardly read long posts, if at all you do manage to read them, you dont carefully read them or you quickly forget what you've read.

I have never written that Peter or Jude were lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology I also have never ever written anything to the the effect that Peter and Jude were wrong to lift verses out of the BoE into their letters. I have extensively expressed how and why, the reasons, Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, lol, but you guys are still no the wiser, lol. Smh

I would repeat myself and summarise in three to four words, the reason why Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, it is because they were denouncing the book and pointing out "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", and "heresy(ies)" in the book. Those already familiar with the BoE and who are ardent supporters of the book, knew that it is the BoE, that Peter and Jude were quoting from, without even the name BoE being mentioned and used to lambast them with.

But what foolishness is this muttey. How can Peter and Jude be quoting from a book to denounce the book? Does that sound right to even you?

So you author a book and have someone write the forward or abstract and then you now say you dont beleive in the persons opinion? Or you write your thesis and reference another author who has done same work on what you writing and say you dont beleive in the work you referenced?

My man, are you serious?

gobuchinny:


But what foolishness is this muttey. How can Peter and Jude be quoting from a book to denounce the book? Does that sound right to even you?

So you author a book and have someone write the forward or abstract and then you now say you dont beleive in the persons opinion? Or you write your thesis and reference another author who has done same work on what you writing and say you dont beleive in the work you referenced?

My man, are you serious?

I often quote other materials to denounce them. Don't be daft gobuchinny. What's your problem, erhn?

MuttleyLaff:
I often quote other materials to denounce them. Don't be daft gobuchinny. What's your problem, erhn?

But what was the context of discuss my very wise friend muttey . Are you dull of understanding? Ok. To help your comprehension . What was the discuss before either Peter or Jude quoted the glorious book? Oya tell me Oh wise King Muttey.

Your foolishness will be revealed for all today. Please answer me

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I often quote other materials to denounce them. Don't be daft gobuchinny. What's your problem, erhn?

How did Jude and Peter denounce BoE by quoting passages from them?

OkCornel:



Abeg, how did Peter and Jude denounce the BoE?

By agreeing the angels sinned and were casted into hell? By agreeing certain angels rebelled and left their first estate? By agreeing these angels are bound with chains awaiting judgement?


I’m really loving this joke.

I'm waiting for him that knoweth all wisdom. The King of Kings and Lord of lords Muttey.

Let him tell us under which context his devilish and proud assumptions that Peter and Jude were denouncing the book. A book they quoted to further reiterate their points.

It amazes such uncircumcised hearts in man that in light of facts, man still wallows in darkness

Muttey biko I'm waiting. Let's put this joke to bed once and for all biko. You have been around this foolishness too long

gobuchinny:
But what was the context of discuss my very wise friend muttey . Are you dull of understanding? Ok. To help your comprehension . What was the discuss before either Peter or Jude quoted the glorious book? Oya tell me Oh wise King Muttey.

Your foolishness will be revealed for all today. Please answer me

You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

MuttleyLaf:
You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

Gobuchinny, the comedy show is getting more hilarious. Apparently, Muttley was an eye witness back then to confirm the false teachers Peter and Jude were referring to...got their inspiration from BoE


Lmao

MuttleyLaff:
You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

Mehn you r evasive on all fronts . What r you even saying. Didnt I answer your questions already? You raised the issue off 3000 or 300 cubits didnt you read my response on Acts 9 and Acts 22? Did you even read my post this man? I have thrash all you demonic arguments and any sane mind reading this thread knows already how you distort scriptures.

The books of acts mixed up Paul's narrative on his conversion, y dont you say d book is accursed .

The letter killeth muttey and its killing you every second . The spirit giveth life brother. You need that Spirit to interpret scripture as scripture not as your story books

OkCornel:


Gobuchinny, the comedy show is getting more hilarious. Apparently, Muttley was an eye witness back then to confirm the false teachers Peter and Jude were referring to...got their inspiration from BoE


Lmao

Mehn I'm happy everyone can read and make their decisions. . Any sane mind can quickly decipher his tricks and falsehood in distorting scripture and being evasive about facts

MuttleyLaff:
You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

Please dear muttey show me where Peter and Jude discussed or exchanged letters to themselves to discuss this false teachers and denouncing the BOE

gobuchinny:
Please dear muttey show me where Peter and Jude discussed or exchanged letters to themselves to discuss this false teachers and denouncing the BOE

Peter and Jude did not exchange letters with other. Peter first sent put his letter before Jude did, he not only his copied from Peter when quoting the BoE, just as Peter did, bit also confirmed that things Peter wrote in his letter has begun to happen at the time he was then writing his letter. Scroll up the thread, you'll see how I showed this.

MuttleyLaff:
Peter and Jude did not exchange letters with other. Peter first sent put his letter before Jude did, he not only his copied from Peter when quoting the BoE, just as Peter did, bit also confirmed that things Peter wrote in his letter has begun to happen at the time he was then writing his letter. Scroll up the thread, you'll see how I showed this.

Muttey show whatever you wanna show. I haven't seen anything yet that collaborates what you r saying. Becos you seem to say that Peter and Jude referenced Enoch to condemn it. And I'm putting it to you to prove this theory.

What scriptures made you arrive at this assumptions as regards the quoting of the BOE to castigate by Peter and Jude. Dis you read the preceding verses to draw this conclusion? Because what I find in my KJV is in total opposition to your hypothesis or thoery.

Please ellaborate

2 Peter 2 vs 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement.

These verse came as Peter had previously explained in Chapter 1 vs 19 -21 about the sure word of prophecy and how God spoke to them on the mountain with Yeshua. He also said how God has been speaking through Holy men to birth scripture. Bear in mind that the apostle knew that their letters were scripture becaus e they understood how God works. The only piece God wrote Himself were the 10 commandments everyother scripture were written by God through man.

He then explained that as they are true prophets and scribes of God, they were also false prophets that will bring in damanble heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them

2 Peter 2:1-3 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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And that many shall follow their ways.....he then likened the false prophets to the fallen angels . @okcornel are you seeing these. Now what did the fallen Angel's do? They brought damnable heresies, and denied the lord that bought them by copulating with fleshy and earthy man and producing offsprings, evil giant offsprings and brought upon themselves swift destruction because right now those Angel's are locked up in their hell and chained unto the end of days. @okcornel you dey see these rev .

And many humans follow their perilous ways . Did you see how everything fitted with the verses above? How and why Peter used the fallen Angel's and false prophets as mirror image for both destruction and apostacy?.

My friend if you are not seeing these things then you are stiff necked and i cannot help you. Because you have chosen to beleive lies infact the damanble heresies here is you saying that there were no fallen Angel's. I can imagine apostle Peter will slap your face if you were alive in His days. .

You have alot to learn bro. Be humble. You are not bigger than God. Everybody dey learn. I love to learn and would learn from you if I feel what you r saying is right. But clearly you are perverting scripture and I worry for you. Be careful the devil is real and is looking for who to devour. Sin is lurking at the door bro. Lets all be humble.

I would have done the jude analysis but no need.

budaatum:

Ihe and the Lord see the heart of buda.

He is just so passionate about God almost to the point where he sees himself in that office.

Don't mind me Ihedinobi3.

missjo:

He is just so passionate about God almost to the point where he sees himself in that office.

Don't mind me Ihedinobi3.

You noticed? In his spare time, he alone sits on the right hand of Christ deciding buda is not one of him.

Do you have a keen understanding of the "66" books already present in the Bible?
Just the first five books of the Bible, known as the books of Moses, would keep me engrossed for days.
Enoch was mentioned in the highest manner..in Genesis, so I think that was sufficent enough.
I think what's in the Bible is what God wanted in there and for us to focus on...not what's "not" there.

Eviana:
Do you have a keen understanding of the "66" books already present in the Bible?
Just the first five books of the Bible, known as the books of Moses, would keep me engrossed for days.
Enoch was mentioned in the highest manner..in Genesis, so I think that was sufficent enough.
I think what's in the Bible is what God wanted in there and for us to focus on...not what's "not" there.

Well said brother and that's been my school of thought. I only get angry when people bash the book because they dknt understand it . Focus on the 66 books as its more than enough and if you want more then read Enoch, or Jasher and if not DONT. but dont keep looking for reasons to bash it because under the microscope, the book stands the test of scripture and always passes

Eviana:
Do you have a keen understanding of the "66" books already present in the Bible?
Just the first five books of the Bible, known as the books of Moses, would keep me engrossed for days.
Enoch was mentioned in the highest manner..in Genesis, so I think that was sufficent enough.
I think what's in the Bible is what God wanted in there and for us to focus on...not what's "not" there.

Hi.

Forgive me, but could you please clarify your comment? Are you saying that because "Enoch was mentioned in the highest manner," the Book of Enoch is therefore endorsed by the Bible? Or are you saying that we don't need a Book of Enoch since the Bible has given us all that the Lord wants us to know about Enoch, namely, that he was a most exemplary believer and a prophet who foresaw the Second Advent before the Flood?

I am asking so that others will not stumble over your input. I'm not even completely sure that I understand it myself.