solite3:
No true christian will ever claim that Allah is his God.
As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.
By your fruit on nairaland, you have shown which side you belong.

Empiree:
I am gonna, for the sake of your question, answer you again so that I give you space to disappoint me.

Answer to your question again is, NOTHING IS HARD FOR GOD/ALLAH.

Was it difficult to, accept and agree that, it is not hard or impossible for God, or for your sake, Allah, to simultaneously be in heaven and on earth at the same time?

I know its challenging for many and especially, a muslim brother like you, to understand, what is meant, when God, with the placeholder, says: I AM

''I AM that I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'' or ''I WILL BE THAT I BE'' are expressive phrases. It means, God will be what God needs to be. We find out what God was yesterday, we keep knowing Him every moment and day. God is new every morning, God is new tomorrow

That is why, God in Exodus 3:14, said to Moses:
"I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you."

Essentially, the "I AM WHO I AM or I AM THAT I AM" in Exodus 3:14 above means, I will become whatsoever I may become. I'll be, I will become whatever it is necessary for Me, to be and/or Me to become.

God therefore and fyi Empiree, is, a "not-known-number" of person. God, therefore then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box.

Empiree:
Now, run along and please don't repeat the question because you have been duly answered. So proceed.

Try and be original, stop copying and using lines, I've previously used on you. Do you think, if you had answered my question, I've got your time to be repeating questions. You didnt even responsibly answer the question. I overlooked your evasiveness and just in order to move on, managed your insincere and faithless answer

OkCornel:


Yeah right, 12 is some...2,000 is also some, 150,000 is also some. You haven't mentioned where Paul pegged the number to 12, except for your panel beating of the scriptures.


The Apostles who prayed and seeked the face of God before selecting Matthias as one of the 12. But you're here telling us otherwise that Matthias was never an apostle.

Interesting. Very interesting. I guess the "spirit filled" Apostles made a "mistake" selecting Matthias as one of them

The Bible has to say something only once for it to be true. It does not need to repeat it in every single place that it refers to it in order for it to be true.

The Bible has already made it clear in Revelation and Matthew that there are only Twelve Apostles of the Lamb. Paul does not have to repeat it again here. If you insist that he does, then you have to explain why he does. For myself, I am perfectly at peace with what I read. I don't see any difficulty in understanding it in light of everything else I read in the Bible.

As for the election in Acts 1, the Holy Spirit was given to the Church in Acts 2, so they did not do that election under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Also, as I said, the Bible does not teach that because we pray for something we will definitely have it. If that were true, then the Lord would have removed Paul's "thorn in the flesh" when he asked, and the Lord would have left Peter alone when he protested against eating unclean animals. The disciples may have prayed, but they were in error. The Lord is the One Who appoints His Apostles, just as He is the One Who gives every believer their unique spiritual gifts, and He is not limited to any two men we think that He must choose from. These things are common sense, but I know that you are a lover of lies, so it's not as if you can bear the Truth. I am answering you because it is a good question and others whose hearts are open to the Truth may learn from it.

@okcornel if anyone cannot lift verses from either BOE or Jasher to contradict the bible then there is no need wasting time. So many people acting like God's deputy criticizing what they dont understand. If their fake teachers write rubbish books in the name of Christiainity, they will accept it quickly because it itching their carnal ears.

Bible is our standard and God is the same Yesterday, today and Forever. Nothing is new. So those books will just fit into scripture.

Issue raised from the book I recall; first, Noah spoke praises to God at birth. But they forget that a donkey spoke to a prophet. If you ask a scientist who from the two has a better chance of speaking the human language, I'm sure your guess is as good as mine.

Second, that Angel's cant copulate with humans. That's funny because even archaeology has proofs of giants and Peter spoke of the sins of angels who were locked up till judgement. What sin did they commit? Furthermore, we r told that the Angel's that kept not their first estate, please which estate r we talking about?

Thirdly, that Enoch spoke to his son methuselah after he had ascended. But they forget that Yeshua spoke to Moses and Elijah in the Mount.

Fourthly, that enoch says 3000 cubits in one verse and 300 cubits in another, but they forget that acts 9 and acts 22 have different accounts of Paul's conversion. One says the guys with him heard the voice that spoke to Paul and the other says they didnt. So should we dump the book of acts also?

My brother, scripture says test all spirit and believe not every spirit. Let's put this book to test as I have and found it to be spirit filled as it points us to Yahweh and even Yeshua. Can u imagine? At a time where Yeshua had not been revealed, Enoch spoke of a son of man sitting on the throne beside Yahweh

Now one guy is saying we need teachers to grow in this NT dispensation . What a clown. I can drop countless scriptures to refute such demonic doctrine. But this is even from Yahweh Hebrews 8:10-11 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. Yahweh made a new covenant tru Yeshua, not like the old where you had priest who served in the altar and sacrifices both for themselves and the sins of the people Heb8 teaches this.

God will put His laws in our hearts, you need not that any teacher teach you. If we all sit down with the KJV bible and study with the Hily Spirit we will all have a testimony of His goodness not one on this thread that sat down and got more confused whereas God is not the author of confusion. Jumping from frying pan to fire . We are to follow the ways of Paul after all he brought this gospel to the gentiles. Paul after conversion sought God alone, he didn't run to the apostles which would seem like the right thing to do. After all, those guys saw Yeshua physically.and he did not

We must all work out our salvation with fear and trembling. The world is evil and the devil is looking for who to devour. So many false prophets and teachers. Any teacher will confirm whatever it is God has already told you if your life is truly sold out to God and you dont chase carnality but You have lost your life in this world to gain Yeshua. Problem is do we sit down to study, we r so engaged with rubbish and cares of this world forgetting that the same bible will be used as a yardstick when we die. We major in the minor and minor in the major. We must die daily and be doers of the word. We must do scripture to show love. Love for God is an action word not about singing and crying and being emotion. Whatever Yeshua has commanded is what we must do. The NT is not an advise but a commandment. We must not chase mammon for God hates it and we cant serve two masters. Mammon is the greatest enemy of the church. The same thing those ancient jews were chasing from their conquered neighbours That's y dey had different gods, gods of agriculture, god of fertility, god of rain, god of thunder, all the things Yahweh gives naturally by serving Him is what people chase that y Yeshua said take no thoughts for your life becos Yahweh wants us to serve Him only.

I pray someone reading this finds place to sit down with the gospel, forget the BOE and Jasher as you dont need it to grow. Know the voice of God from the bible so when other false teacher speak, you can discern foolishness.

gobuchinny:
Noah spoke praises to God at birth. But they forget that a donkey spoke to a prophet. If you ask a scientist who from the two has a better chance of speaking the human language, I'm sure your guess is as good as mine.

You forgot to add, that Noah has laser beam x-ray visions bwahahahaha

Fyi, the speaking donkey is a one-off and never to repeat again miracle. It was an ex.ception to the rule and never happened again. It was God who made it happened. Do you recall in Luke 19:40, God even issued a warning that if pushed and the crowds are prevented from praising God joyfully in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen that He'll make the very stones would cry out. Imagine stones singing praises. Or God is powerful. Alleluia, lol

gobuchinny:
Second, that Angel's cant copulate with humans. That's funny because even archaeology has proofs of giants and Peter spoke of the sins of angels who were locked up till judgement. What sin did they commit? Furthermore, we r told that the Angel's that kept not their first estate, please which estate r we talking about?

Stop right there and zip up that wayward cakehole. I have said this before, but will repeat it here, as you dont read, you've admitted this by saying earlier you've just read my post and repeating it here because you're forgetful.

Now for the umpteeth time, Peter quoted the BoE in derision, mocking the false teachers and peddlers of Jewish myths that, if angels who were locked up till judgement, how come the evil spirits are still about causing misery and havoc in everyones everyday lives.

gobuchinny:
Thirdly, that Enoch spoke to his son methuselah after he had ascended. But they forget that Yeshua spoke to Moses and Elijah in the Mount.

Enoch was teleported, as in meaning translated, please clarify what you mean by ascended, lol. Number two, Moses and Elijah were seen in a vision, by Peter, James and John. Notice Moses and Elijah interacted with Jesus only and never gave nor acknowledged seeing Peter, James and John, lol. I am sure you dont know the meaning, the reason why and significance of the appearance of Moses and Elijah to Jesus on that eventful night

gobuchinny:
Fourthly, that enoch says 3000 cubits in one verse and 300 cubits in another, but they forget that acts 9 and acts 22 have different accounts of Paul's conversion. One says the guys with him heard the voice that spoke to Paul and the other says they didnt. So should we dump the book of acts also?

We are talking of the imposiccant and ridiculant here and here you are comparing apples with oranges. C'mon now, a full length and a half football pitch baby, a 45 storey high baby, smh.

gobuchinny:
My brother, scripture says test all spirit and believe not every spirit. Let's put this book to test as I have and found it to be spirit filled as it points us to Yahweh and even Yeshua. Can u imagine? At a time where Yeshua had not been revealed, Enoch spoke of a son of man sitting on the throne beside Yahweh

The Quran points to God in a very convoluted, twisted and misunderstanding way too, yet we know what is true and not

gobuchinny:
Now one guy is saying we need teachers to grow in this NT dispensation . What a clown. I can drop countless scriptures to refute such demonic doctrine. But this is even from Yahweh Hebrews 8:10-11 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. Yahweh made a new covenant tru Yeshua, not like the old where you had priest who served in the altar and sacrifices both for themselves and the sins of the people Heb8 teaches this.

God will put His laws in our hearts, you need not that any teacher teach you. If we all sit down with the KJV bible and study with the Hily Spirit we will all have a testimony of His goodness not one on this thread that sat down and got more confused whereas God is not the author of confusion. Jumping from frying pan to fire . We are to follow the ways of Paul after all he brought this gospel to the gentiles. Paul after conversion sought God alone, he didn't run to the apostles which would seem like the right thing to do. After all, those guys saw Yeshua physically.and he did not

The clown is no other than you and your fellow court jesters

gobuchinny:
We must all work out our salvation with fear and trembling. The world is evil and the devil is looking for who to devour. So many false prophets and teachers. Any teacher will confirm whatever it is God has already told you if your life is truly sold out to God and you dont chase carnality but You have lost your life in this world to gain Yeshua. Problem is do we sit down to study, we r so engaged with rubbish and cares of this world forgetting that the same bible will be used as a yardstick when we die. We major in the minor and minor in the major. We must die daily and be doers of the word. We must do scripture to show love. Love for God is an action word not about singing and crying and being emotion. Whatever Yeshua has commanded is what we must do. The NT is not an advise but a commandment. We must not chase mammon for God hates it and we cant serve two masters. Mammon is the greatest enemy of the church. The same thing those ancient jews were chasing from their conquered neighbours That's y dey had different gods, gods of agriculture, god of fertility, god of rain, god of thunder, all the things Yahweh gives naturally by serving Him is what people chase that y Yeshua said take no thoughts for your life becos Yahweh wants us to serve Him only.

Going on a tangent and off topic are you now

gobuchinny:
I pray someone reading this finds place to sit down with the gospel, forget the BOE and Jasher as you dont need it to grow. Know the voice of God from the bible so when other false teacher speak, you can discern foolishness.

This is the only sensible thing written by you in a very long time. There is light at the end of the tunnel, alas, for a moment a while ago, I thought there is no hope for you anymore

Let none deceive himself. We are in the last days and the world will become more evil. Wicknedness will multiply and only does who know their God will not be wasted by the wicked one. The earth as we have it is given to the god of this world, christains cannot take over the mountains as it already given to him. You cannot compete with the world because it will all be destroyed. Like in the days of Noah, people were building and enjoying life. You cannot measure God by your bank account. That's being carnal minded. The devil gives wealth easily and right now his in partnership with the conventional 'church' to have you beleive that God is a carnal God. Using old testament scripture to deceive people forgetting that the old testament was a carnal testament as told us by Paul and Hebrews because the inheritance was a dual inheritance of both physical and spiritual as Israel had to physically expand and kill its enemies. The tabernacle and the ark of Yahweh was on earth. But in the NT, our inheritance is purely spiritual. Riches are not bad but when you love this world and the things of the world you r lost hence scripture said that it's hard for a rich man to enter but with God its possible.

Now everybody is after wealth, hence our role models are worldly people. We have aspirations and desires that dont line up with scrpiture . Yeshua is saying by scripture in that you should not seek these things like your lives depend on it like man is only made to build house in lekki and buy Benz.

The world does not know the coming danger. If you know Gid like the man that has a teacher, you should be weeping for the world sir. The preachers are prophesying peace, breakthrough, year of promotion but really in God's eyes its year of destructions , years of deaths , year of plane crashes . The world will be destroyed by fire and all will see the messiah . This is what any 'woke' lover of God should know. You dont need any teacher to teach you this. It's the spirit behind the bible. It's been about man's relationship with God o. Earth here, then transition to heaven. Hence Enoch and Elijah were able to achieve this physically

Like in the days of Noah. He told them but they wont listen AHH which kind rain, rain wet never fail before . They mocked him, but he told them still. Merciful God, gave them 120 years for grace. How many more do we have . Can you guess.

Save yourself from the incoming doom my friends cause hell is real and heaven is real. This is the whole gospel in a nutshell.

Ihedinobi3:

The Bible has to say something only once for it to be true. It does not need to repeat it in every single place that it refers to it in order for it to be true.

The Bible has already made it clear in Revelation and Matthew that there are only Twelve Apostles of the Lamb. Paul does not have to repeat it again here. If you insist that he does, then you have to explain why he does. For myself, I am perfectly at peace with what I read. I don't see any difficulty in understanding it in light of everything else I read in the Bible.

As for the election in Acts 1, the Holy Spirit was given to the Church in Acts 2, so they did not do that election under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Also, as I said, the Bible does not teach that because we pray for something we will definitely have it. If that were true, then the Lord would have removed Paul's "thorn in the flesh" when he asked, and the Lord would have left Peter alone when he protested against eating unclean animals. The disciples may have prayed, but they were in error. The Lord is the One Who appoints His Apostles, just as He is the One Who gives every believer their unique spiritual gifts, and He is not limited to any two men we think that He must choose from. These things are common sense, but I know that you are a lover of lies, so it's not as if you can bear the Truth. I am answering you because it is a good question and others whose hearts are open to the Truth may learn from it.

Ihedinobi3, you are obviously deluded. You are here telling us the 11 Apostles who were Spirit filled made a mistake appointing Matthias to be one of them...even after seeking God's counsel?

Acts 1 v 20-26;
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.


Ihedinobi3, you are that same person preaching a strange doctrine that the Holy Spirit withheld some of his gifts (e.g. prophecy, tongues e.t.c.) from the church.

1) On what authority do you stand to call another a lover of lies?
2) On what authority do you stand to tell us the Spirit filled Apostles made a mistake selecting Matthias as one of them?
3) Where in the scriptures did Paul boast or mention he was appointed by Jesus to replace Judas? Oh, I forgot, your common sense is now the basis to interpret the scriptures.


You are a joke.

Muttley.Laff:

Now for the umpteeth time, Peter quoted the BoE in derision, mocking the false teachers and peddlers of Jewish myths that, if angels who were locked up till judgement, how come the evil spirits are still about causing misery and havoc in everyones everyday lives.

This one doesn't know there were two rebellions that occured;

1) Satan and one-third of the angels that fell from heaven, was it written they were caged anywhere?
2) The angels that slept with the daughters of men were the ones bound and shackled.

It baffles me someone would read the book of Peter and Jude to tell us they quoted from BoE to mock it. What manner incurable madness is this?

Gobuchinny, you're wasting your time with someone who thinks God has nothing against homosexuality per se, even after showing him many scriptures condemning that act, he still clings to that view stubbornly, telling us the scriptures were corrupted or tampered with to encourage homphobia or whatever he calls it.

When someone is ready go tooth and nail to justify his illicit desires, he will go to any length to call the truth a lie.

Jesus Christ didnt come to make you rich. Did you notice how each time he rubbished money, he never wanted his apostles to trust in wealth, hence the feeding of the 5000, 4000, then remember the gold coin in the fish? Do you really think Peter didnt have that coin in his pocket? If you read Luke's account it says that after the taxcollectors told Peter outside, he was coming into the house when Yeshua saw he and asked him. Peter was not going to tell Yeshua but get the money then after Yeshua heard and gave the famous give until Ceasars what's Ceasars he then told him to go and fish for gold but Peter had it in the house .

Yeshua rubbished it so now we have people who only think until Hid give them Shell job, your God is not big whereas all you need is know a prominent person and you get the job. Is that one God? Even Yahoo Yahoo sef get pastor wey dey pray for them . Abomination of desolation . Where another god sits on the throne of Yahweh but it's only with humans oooi. Because the sun has a covenant with God. The trees glorify God after all its says God is able to raise children of Abraham from the stones. Children of Abraham were loyal and obedient to serve to God and also looked to eternal life as scripture tell us in Hebrews How they sought to another Kingdom .

That y some are killing themselves over scrpiture. People dont know how spiritual d earth is the trees speak and the sun sees . The sun reports back to God, these r d things Enoch that Muttey is killing himself over. You cant comprehend how a man speaks to the sun or sees the stars and frost. All these are creations of Yahweh and they are spirits in themselves. The trees glorify God. The mountains bow down . Man stands up to God but the birds sing to Yahweh and the snow testifies to the holiness of His throne. That y you can never under the SPIRITS behind the book. The LETTER killeth but the SPIRIT giveth life. You box God up in one small book that corrupt 'church leaders' set up but YAHWEH still preserves HIS WORD so He gave us the bible that is TRUEST and by which the foundation of the Lord stand the sure having this deal the Lord.........

Spirit of prophecy, Spirit of apostleship, and all the spirits of God which every beleiver can tap into as we are all Israel's and you need not that any teach you. Because Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ Yeshua'

Blessed us with ALL not some ALL as the gospel is written not to a corporate entity but to individuals who themselves will either be in heaven or hell . Dont chase after man ooo you will get lost. In this dispensation pick your bible and seek him first. STUDY the scrpiture on your own first . Dont seek man because man will deceive you, if God wills he sends a good person. How can you know the voice of Yahweh without studying Him first. Now every body judges us because I read the book of Enoch, same book that two independent apostles lifted and beleived in fully , same book that bible says Enoch was a great man, now there r different books of Enoch as someone rightly said same with Jasher which even shows why the intent is to block people from even getting the book as the devil has always been fighting the word of God from Eden. He always wants to pervert the word via man and bring his own beleive but God always preserves His word. Just like now people dont even know the purpose of creation. Some now think its be be like Dangote . A Muslim who is enjoying his hard earned money but after death is on His way to hell. Like sheep fed for the slaughter. . Wealth that you will acquire and just die like that. What will now happen to all your worldly goods. Everything here is the spirit of the gospel. No be me talk am ooo. Na the bible wey me and you dey read and funny Enoch spoke extensively on this. @@okcornel can testified. Woe unto the rich who beleive life begins and ends on earth. To them that say Yahweh has blessed me with my house, wetin you get . To them that think godliness is gain and go after Adeboye them and Oyedepo them . Covenant day of fruitfullness covenant day of miracle job . Wey done sir!! Is that the gospel Yahweh sent you be preach. To the foolish who will be deceive and led astray as the abomination of desolation is set in place like Yeshua said. When you see the abomination of desolation know that the end is near. This happened when Peter them saw the great stones and they marvelled at them and Yeshua said you see these stones will be laid waste signifying the Roman 2nd destruction of the 2nd temple. Which was the sign also Yeshua gave them that the end of days will begin. Wars and rumours of ears, earthquakes, iniquity shall abound , the LOVE of many will wax cold. Now what is LOVE of God. Is it what you pastor/teacher taught you. That you must tithe to HIM and HIS organisation? A fellow brethren like yourself has lorded himself over you and make merchandise of you? FEAR OF MAN

gobuchinny:
@okcornel if anyone cannot lift verses from either BOE or Jasher to contradict the bible then there is no need wasting time. So many people acting like God's deputy criticizing what they dont understand. If their fake teachers write rubbish books in the name of Christiainity, they will accept it quickly because it itching their carnal ears.

Bible is our standard and God is the same Yesterday, today and Forever. Nothing is new. So those books will just fit into scripture.

Issue raised from the book I recall; first, Noah spoke praises to God at birth. But they forget that a donkey spoke to a prophet. If you ask a scientist who from the two has a better chance of speaking the human language, I'm sure your guess is as good as mine.

Second, that Angel's cant copulate with humans. That's funny because even archaeology has proofs of giants and Peter spoke of the sins of angels who were locked up till judgement. What sin did they commit? Furthermore, we r told that the Angel's that kept not their first estate, please which estate r we talking about?

Thirdly, that Enoch spoke to his son methuselah after he had ascended. But they forget that Yeshua spoke to Moses and Elijah in the Mount.

Fourthly, that enoch says 3000 cubits in one verse and 300 cubits in another, but they forget that acts 9 and acts 22 have different accounts of Paul's conversion. One says the guys with him heard the voice that spoke to Paul and the other says they didnt. So should we dump the book of acts also?

My brother, scripture says test all spirit and believe not every spirit. Let's put this book to test as I have and found it to be spirit filled as it points us to Yahweh and even Yeshua. Can u imagine? At a time where Yeshua had not been revealed, Enoch spoke of a son of man sitting on the throne beside Yahweh

Now one guy is saying we need teachers to grow in this NT dispensation . What a clown. I can drop countless scriptures to refute such demonic doctrine. But this is even from Yahweh Hebrews 8:10-11 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. Yahweh made a new covenant tru Yeshua, not like the old where you had priest who served in the altar and sacrifices both for themselves and the sins of the people Heb8 teaches this.

God will put His laws in our hearts, you need not that any teacher teach you. If we all sit down with the KJV bible and study with the Hily Spirit we will all have a testimony of His goodness not one on this thread that sat down and got more confused whereas God is not the author of confusion. Jumping from frying pan to fire . We are to follow the ways of Paul after all he brought this gospel to the gentiles. Paul after conversion sought God alone, he didn't run to the apostles which would seem like the right thing to do. After all, those guys saw Yeshua physically.and he did not

We must all work out our salvation with fear and trembling. The world is evil and the devil is looking for who to devour. So many false prophets and teachers. Any teacher will confirm whatever it is God has already told you if your life is truly sold out to God and you dont chase carnality but You have lost your life in this world to gain Yeshua. Problem is do we sit down to study, we r so engaged with rubbish and cares of this world forgetting that the same bible will be used as a yardstick when we die. We major in the minor and minor in the major. We must die daily and be doers of the word. We must do scripture to show love. Love for God is an action word not about singing and crying and being emotion. Whatever Yeshua has commanded is what we must do. The NT is not an advise but a commandment. We must not chase mammon for God hates it and we cant serve two masters. Mammon is the greatest enemy of the church. The same thing those ancient jews were chasing from their conquered neighbours That's y dey had different gods, gods of agriculture, god of fertility, god of rain, god of thunder, all the things Yahweh gives naturally by serving Him is what people chase that y Yeshua said take no thoughts for your life becos Yahweh wants us to serve Him only.

I pray someone reading this finds place to sit down with the gospel, forget the BOE and Jasher as you dont need it to grow. Know the voice of God from the bible so when other false teacher speak, you can discern foolishness.

This response is not quite for you, so don't feel like you should respond. I only want to answer some things in your post that want answering for the sake of those who believe the Bible.

Non-contradiction of Scriptures does not make anything Scripture, and that is not to say that your books of Enoch and Jasher don't contradict the Scriptures. A teaching or explanation of Scripture ought not to contradict Scripture, but that does not make it Scripture itself. Scripture is only that which is inspired or breathed by God.

Although it is a common tactic to try to drag the Bible down to the level of all manner of insane pseudo Scripture to try to legitimize those pseudo Scripture, the Bible is non-contradictory, so Acts 9 and Acts 22 are not contradictory accounts of Paul's conversion, in spite of how much you wish that to be the case to prove that the Bible is no different than your false Scripture. This is the same thing that OkCornel tried to do with the biblical accounts of Araunah's threshing-floor in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. He failed too. These are the two passages that you invoke here:

[7]The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.
Acts 9:7 NASB

[9]And those who were with me saw the light, to be sure, but did not understand the voice of the One who was speaking to me.
Acts 22:9 NASB

Nowhere in the above are we told that Paul's companions did not hear the voice. What we are actually told is that they did hear it but they did not understand it. The KJV does say "heard not," but that is not a good translation in that case. The NIV1984 and NASB (shared above) both agree that the word is "understand," not "heard." Consider John 12:27-30 and Revelation 1:10, 15, for example, to see that voices from Heaven (in the first instance, the Father's Voice, and, in the second, the Son's) are rather unusual. Unbelievers, like the Jews in John 12 appear to only hear a sound, but not anything intelligible to them.

Regarding Hebrews 8, I have not seen your refutations of my explanation that it refers more fully to the Millennium than to the Church Age, just as Isaiah 2:3 and Micah 4:2 clearly teach. I just see your continued claims without any proof at all. As it is, your behavior is very consistent with disrespect for the Bible because you continually ignore what it says in order to believe what you want to believe.

As for a teacher confirming what God has already told you, why is that even necessary? If God has spoken to you, why do you need a mere man to confirm it? What you are not saying is that you have preconceived notions that you only seek people to affirm for you, so that you will feel confident that what you believe is true. That is precisely what Paul meant in 2 Timothy 4:3-4. So, it is you and your kind who have itching ears and heap to yourself teachers to tell you what you want to hear, except that you pretend that they are only confirming for you what God has already told you, a most ludicrous thought.

Edited.

OkCornel:


Ihedinobi3, you are obviously deluded. You are here telling us the 11 Apostles who were Spirit filled made a mistake appointing Matthias to be one of them...even after seeking God's counsel?

Acts 1 v 20-26;
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.


Ihedinobi3, you are that same person preaching a strange doctrine that the Holy Spirit withheld some of his gifts (e.g. prophecy, tongues e.t.c.) from the church.

1) On what authority do you stand to call another a lover of lies?
2) On what authority do you stand to tell us the Spirit filled Apostles made a mistake selecting Matthias as one of them?
3) Where in the scriptures did Paul boast or mention he was appointed by Jesus to replace Judas? Oh, I forgot, your common sense is now the basis to interpret the scriptures.


You are a joke.

I am grateful to the Lord that I don't have to do anything for you to expose yourself.

The Spirit was given in Acts 2. The disciples did the election in Acts 1. Yet you claim that it was Spirit-filled apostles who did the election in Acts 1. Your lies are incredibly obvious. Only people who love lies like you would agree with you.

You claim too that they sought God's Counsel, yet this is what the Bible actually says:

[24]And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
[25]to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place."
Acts 1:24-25 NASB

That is, they gave God two options and told Him to pick one. There is nothing in there that even looks like a request for counsel. What if God didn't want any of the two that they chose? What then?

OkCornel:


Ihedinobi3, you are obviously deluded. You are here telling us the 11 Apostles who were Spirit filled made a mistake appointing Matthias to be one of them...even after seeking God's counsel?

Acts 1 v 20-26;
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.


Ihedinobi3, you are that same person preaching a strange doctrine that the Holy Spirit withheld some of his gifts (e.g. prophecy, tongues e.t.c.) from the church.

1) On what authority do you stand to call another a lover of lies?
2) On what authority do you stand to tell us the Spirit filled Apostles made a mistake selecting Matthias as one of them?
3) Where in the scriptures did Paul boast or mention he was appointed by Jesus to replace Judas? Oh, I forgot, your common sense is now the basis to interpret the scriptures.


You are a joke.

These guys are wolves in sheep clothing my brother. They are apostates who do not know God nor the spirit behind the WORD. I dont even respond to muttey again because I caught him after he said Peter and Jude didnt kjow what they were saying . But aihedioha is smarter he only said Peter and Jude said it yes but that the present book of Enoch is false but cannot prove it.

For they think they are God, they are always investigating the WORD of God. There was on that said one time that Paul was not a brethren then later said Allah and Yehweh are same because they always seek new wisdom, strange fire, they feign godly but really are evil men who stand against the word of God. But I know your type. CONTINUE i only pity lazy people who wont study but be seeking for pastor/teacher to show you the word of God in greek, Spanish, german meanwhile he quoted demonic translation of NASB. I just dey look the guy. KJV is your only true word of God ooo.

Word is enough for the wise and a sentence for a fool. If you dont beleive me sit down with the WORD and I'm saying for started the NT not OT. You see you must know the new will before you know the Old will. The Old will serves as historical scriptural records not for actual consummation by present day beleivers because all those promises Gid gave to Israel has already been fulfilled. You are no more fighting the Amoritez and sodomites, and Perisites as Olukoya will have you beleive . For the weapons of our warfare are not CARNAL.....for though we walk in the flesh we do NOT war after the flesh.

People dont know scriptures but carry the letter on their heads. See the guy now said Mark 16 is wrong abi what did he even say again? Godman . God's assistance. If you dont beleive one why beleive all? And if you dont beleive all why beleive one? Hyporcrite really your father is the devil.

Ihedinobi3:

I am grateful to the Lord that I don't have to do anything for you to expose yourself.

The Spirit was given in Acts 2. The disciples did the election in Acts 1. Yet you claim that it was Spirit-filled apostles who did the election in Acts 1. Your lies are incredibly obvious. Only people who love lies like you would agree with you.

You claim too that they sought God's Counsel, yet this is what the Bible actually says:

[24]And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
[25]to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place."
Acts 1:24-25 NASB

That is, they gave God two options and told Him to pick one. There is nothing in there that even looks like a request for counsel. What if God didn't want any of the two that they chose? What then?

As for your claims, it is interesting that you are still trying to make me seem a liar just like you. I have nothing more to say to you about that, OkCornel, beyond what I have already said that you haven't answered. If you want to keep lying about the Bible, keep doing so. Just don't think that you will succeed at making me seem like you. You won't.

God bless you as you started this thread...

nijabazaar:
So i came across the group of extraterrestrials known as "watchers" in the course of reading the book of daniel ( i heard they where also mentioned in Genesis), so i started researching on them (not real research more like googling). And there i came upon the book of Enoch. This set my mind reeling.

why was this book removed from the Bible? Is it not originally part of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Who decided to remove it and on what grounds?

I found the book contained a whole lot of stuff that is quite marveling?

Lets have some discussion on this.

N.B. I believe a lot in aliens (and the possibility of us finding them or they finding us) and when i discovered that the Book of Daniel alluded to them alot, i was thrilled

So now if I get a shell job now now God has blessed me. I can share my testimony and the carnal minded will say my God is great because he too is greedy and wants to ha e that job for his evil desires but a man of gold would have told him that he needs to pay God to get blessed so he either says Hod bless me so I can give another carnal mammon false preacher/teacher who will then tell you that its your year of peace but he moves with security and and that God will bless you and you carry on in carnality until the person meets his death by way of arm robbers same armed robbers that cannot get close to your papa because of his security details. What will you tell God, that you lived on earth and chased vanity? Did you even know him? Do you think the abinimation of desolation as we have it is Yeshua?

Abomination to the Lord, desolate the people of God. There is nothing new under the sun. Study to show yourself approved, so you can RIGHTLY divide the word of truth and discern the times and seasons. Ramblings of a mad man some will say, like in the days Noah, it came suddenly . Peter's first sermon he said amongst other things, SAVE YOURSELF FROM THE INCOMING DOOM . He didnt say God will make you the governor of Judea

gobuchinny:


These guys are wolves in sheep clothing my brother. They are apostates who do not know God nor the spirit behind the WORD. I dont even respond to muttey again because I caught him after he said Peter and Jude didnt kjow what they were saying . But aihedioha is smarter he only said Peter and Jude said it yes but that the present book of Enoch is false but cannot prove it.

For they think they are God, they are always investigating the WORD of God. There was on that said one time that Paul was not a brethren then later said Allah and Yehweh are same because they always seek new wisdom, strange fire, they feign godly but really are evil men who stand against the word of God. But I know your type. CONTINUE i only pity lazy people who wont study but be seeking for pastor/teacher to show you the word of God in greek, Spanish, german meanwhile he quoted demonic translation of NASB. I just dey look the guy. KJV is your only true word of God ooo.

Word is enough for the wise and a sentence for a fool. If you dont beleive me sit down with the WORD and I'm saying for started the NT not OT. You see you must know the new will before you know the Old will. The Old will serves as historical scriptural records not for actual consummation by present day beleivers because all those promises Gid gave to Israel has already been fulfilled. You are no more fighting the Amoritez and sodomites, and Perisites as Olukoya will have you beleive . For the weapons of our warfare are not CARNAL.....for though we walk in the flesh we do NOT war after the flesh.

People dont know scriptures but carry the letter on their heads. See the guy now said Mark 16 is wrong abi what did he even say again? Godman . God's assistance. If you dont beleive one why beleive all? And if you dont beleive all why beleive one? Hyporcrite really your father is the devil.

The KJV is inspired too? How is it inspired?

If it is "the only word of God," as you claim, why then are you claiming that your books of Jasher and Enoch are also the word of God? Does your KJV contain them too?

That is just one of a staggering number of contradictions in the things you say, yet you claim that you are not confused.

Or the guy will go and defraud people and get money and pay tithe to the tax collector who has promised him the day of surplus but God is really saying to the man, YOU fool, abi you think say na only rich man God dey call fool

False prophets every where, prophesying by Mammon. People are moved by wealth , authority, cares of these present decaying dieing world.

Double post

Ihedinobi3:

I am grateful to the Lord that I don't have to do anything for you to expose yourself.

The Spirit was given in Acts 2. The disciples did the election in Acts 1. Yet you claim that it was Spirit-filled apostles who did the election in Acts 1. Your lies are incredibly obvious. Only people who love lies like you would agree with you.

You claim too that they sought God's Counsel, yet this is what the Bible actually says:

[24]And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
[25]to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place."
Acts 1:24-25 NASB

That is, they gave God two options and told Him to pick one. There is nothing in there that even looks like a request for counsel. What if God didn't want any of the two that they chose? What then?

Ihedinobi3 certainly knows better than the 11 Apostles who prayed and sought God’s counsel before appointing Matthias as one of them.

Please why didn’t the Holy Spirit in any part of the scripture reject Matthias’ apostleship?


What manner of stupidity is this? So the believers whom Jesus taught them that if they ask God for bread, He won’t give them stone will sit back and watch the Apostles being misled?


It’s very obvious you are confused as Gobuchinny pointed out.


You can’t show one scripture where Jesus appointed Paul for the purpose of replacing Judas. Kudos, Ihedinobi3 you’re doing a great job. Even Paul never insinuated Jesus called him for that purpose, but somehow, even Ihedinobi3 knows what Paul never knew.

Isn’t God marvelous?

Ihedinobi3:

As for your claims, it is interesting that you are still trying to make me seem a liar just like you. I have nothing more to say to you about that, OkCornel, beyond what I have already said that you haven't answered. If you want to keep lying about the Bible, keep doing so. Just don't think that you will succeed at making me seem like you. You won't.

Dude you are a liar;

1) Not a single scriptural evidence where the Holy Spirit appointed Paul for the purpose of replacing Judas.

2) You have clearly told us the Apostles made a mistake in appointing Matthias as one of the twelve after committing everything to God.

3) You cannot show us one scriptural evidence where the Holy Spirit rejected Matthias’ apostleship.

4) To top it all, you mentioned Matthias was never an apostle, which is blatant contradiction to the scriptures.


All hail Ihedinobi3, the one who knows more than the 11 Apostles, Matthias and Paul combined.

gobuchinny:
Let none deceive himself. We are in the last days and the world will become more evil. Wicknedness will multiply and only does who know their God will not be wasted by the wicked one. The earth as we have it is given to the god of this world, christains cannot take over the mountains as it already given to him. You cannot compete with the world because it will all be destroyed. Like in the days of Noah, people were building and enjoying life. You cannot measure God by your bank account. That's being carnal minded. The devil gives wealth easily and right now his in partnership with the conventional 'church' to have you beleive that God is a carnal God. Using old testament scripture to deceive people forgetting that the old testament was a carnal testament as told us by Paul and Hebrews because the inheritance was a dual inheritance of both physical and spiritual as Israel had to physically expand and kill its enemies. The tabernacle and the ark of Yahweh was on earth. But in the NT, our inheritance is purely spiritual. Riches are not bad but when you love this world and the things of the world you r lost hence scripture said that it's hard for a rich man to enter but with God its possible.

Now everybody is after wealth, hence our role models are worldly people. We have aspirations and desires that dont line up with scrpiture . Yeshua is saying by scripture in that you should not seek these things like your lives depend on it like man is only made to build house in lekki and buy Benz.

The world does not know the coming danger. If you know Gid like the man that has a teacher, you should be weeping for the world sir. The preachers are prophesying peace, breakthrough, year of promotion but really in God's eyes its year of destructions , years of deaths , year of plane crashes . The world will be destroyed by fire and all will see the messiah . This is what any 'woke' lover of God should know. You dont need any teacher to teach you this. It's the spirit behind the bible. It's been about man's relationship with God o. Earth here, then transition to heaven. Hence Enoch and Elijah were able to achieve this physically

Like in the days of Noah. He told them but they wont listen AHH which kind rain, rain wet never fail before . They mocked him, but he told them still. Merciful God, gave them 120 years for grace. How many more do we have . Can you guess.

Save yourself from the incoming doom my friends cause hell is real and heaven is real. This is the whole gospel in a nutshell.

You've lost the plot of this thread. Why dont you stick to keeping up and on with slandering the angelic host of heaven, hmm? Lol. That's what you are so good at. Falsely accusing them of something they never did, but is only in the imagination of the imposter Enoch, of the ill-famed BoE, lol. Weh done sir.

And Jesus conferred the keys of the kingdom to Peter, same Peter who led the Apostles in appointing Matthias after seeking God’s face on the matter.

Matthew 16 v 18-19;
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.



Oh well, Ihedinobi3 surely knows somehow Jesus appointed Paul to replace Judas, even without one scripture pointing out such.

[quote author=Ihedinobi3 post=84014227]
The KJV is inspired too? How is it inspired?

If it is "the only word of God," as you claim, why

[quote author=Ihedinobi3 post=84013533]
This response is not quite for you, so don't feel like you should respond. I only want to answer some things in your post that want answering for the sake of those who believe the Bible.

Non-contradiction of Scriptures does not make anything Scripture. A teaching or explanation of Scripture ought not to contradict Scripture, but that does not make it Scripture itself. Scripture is only that which is inspired or breathed by God.

Although it is a common tactic to try to drag the Bible down to the level of all manner of insane pseudo Scripture to try to legitimize those pseudo Scripture, the Bible is non-contradictory, so Acts 9 and Acts 22 are not contradictory accounts of Paul's conversion, in spite of how much you wish that to be the case to prove that the Bible is no different than your false Scripture. This is the same thing that OkCornel tried to do with the biblical accounts of Araunah's threshing-floor in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. He failed too. These are the two passages that you invoke here:

[7]The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.
Acts 9:7 NASB

[9]And those who were with me saw the light, to be sure, but did not understand the voice of the One who was speaking to me.
Acts 22:9 NASB

Nowhere in the above are we told that Paul's companions did not hear the voice. What we are actually told is that they did hear it but they did not understand it. The KJV does say "heard not," but that is not a good translation in that case. The NIV1984 and NASB (shared above) both agree that the word is "understand," not "heard." It is obvious from Acts 9 that hearing a voice and seeing no speaker on an open road with a brilliant light shining down would terrify and confuse the men, so that they wouldn't understand the voice at all.

Regarding Hebrews 8, I have not seen your refutations of my explanation that it refers more fully to the Millennium than to the Church Age, just as Isaiah 2:3 and Micah 4:2 clearly teach. I just see your continued claims without any proof at all. As it is, your behavior is very consistent with disrespect for the Bible because you continually ignore what it says in order to believe what you want to

Ihedinobi3,
Thank you sir for your testimony. Very nice.
I will look through your mentioned links soon enough.
I appreciate you explaining your spiritual journey (complete with the fact of pride and then the gift of humility).
The more I, personally read His word, the more I realize that knowledge, wisdom and understanding are such tremendously precious gifts...and that I have to continually be open to humbly receive them.

Muttleylaff,
Thank you sir for your reply also.

I am in agreement with both of you that the "book" isn't relevant to the Word of God as has been passed down through the ages.
My concern is the distraction being on things that have no power to "save".
We need to be concerned on what the Word already contains and not look for ways to doubt and discredit Christ' Word... (cause that's what it ultimately does).
One thing is for sure: Enoch (of Gen.5) has chosen eternity just through the example of his daily life.
He's already made his "calling and election sure."
That's a nice blueprint for me.

Ihedinobi3:

The KJV is inspired too? How is it inspired?

If it is "the only word of God," as you claim, why then are you claiming that your books of Jasher and Enoch are also the word of God? Does your KJV contain them too?

That is just one of a staggering number of contradictions in the things you say, yet you claim that you are not confused.

I meant translations wise but let's leave that as some prefer NASB I love KJV so let me use another example that both KJV and NASB acknowledge.

In Mattew 23 vs 35 Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Are you aware that the Zecharias son of Barachais spoken of here is not the same referred to that died between the altar . It was infact a mix up as bible scholars acknowledge it was actually Zecharias son of Jehoida as seen in 2 chron 24 vs 20. And some say son of Baruch but definately not son of Barachais.

Hope you know archaelogically the book of Daniel cannot be proven. The bible says Darius was the first King of Medes but archaeology says it was Cyrus. But Yeshua quoted from Daniel. So who is lying. Let God be true and all men liers.

Grow up spiritually my man. Leave the letters and chase the spirit. You r not smarter than God.

Eviana:
Ihedinobi3,
Thank you sir for your testimony. Very nice.
I will look through your mentioned links soon enough.
I appreciate you explaining your spiritual journey (complete with the fact of pride and then the gift of humility).
The more I, personally read His word, the more I realize that knowledge, wisdom and understanding are such tremendously precious gifts...and that I have to continually be open to humbly receive them...

...I am in agreement with both of you that the "book" isn't relevant to the Word of God as has been passed down through the ages.
My concern is the distraction being on things that have no power to "save".
We need to be concerned on what the Word already contains and not look for ways to doubt and discredit Christ' Word... (cause that's what it ultimately does).
One thing is for sure: Enoch (of Gen.5) has chosen eternity just through the example of his daily life.
He's already made his "calling and election sure."
That's a nice blueprint for me.

Excellent. I quite agree with your response. I hope that you find the links useful.

OkCornel:


Dude you are a liar;

1) Not a single scriptural evidence where the Holy Spirit appointed Paul for the purpose of replacing Judas.

2) You have clearly told us the Apostles made a mistake in appointing Matthias as one of the twelve after committing everything to God.

3) You cannot show us one scriptural evidence where the Holy Spirit rejected Matthias’ apostleship.

4) To top it all, you mentioned Matthias was never an apostle, which is blatant contradiction to the scriptures.


All hail Ihedinobi3, the one who knows more than the 11 Apostles, Matthias and Paul combined.

Same way I asked him some questions based on some very confused statements he made here and instead of answering he went defensive.

Dude is clearly confused and there are so many of his likes here. Someone who knows absolutely nothing and yet claiming he has been called into the teaching ministry. Instead of humbling himself to learn , he's here glorifying and magnifying his confusion.

Can a Spirit filled believer actually say the kind of things he's said here?
May God help him.

gobuchinny:


I meant translations wise but let's leave that as some prefer NASB I love KJV so let me use another example that both KJV and NASB acknowledge.

In Mattew 23 vs 35 Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Are you aware that the Zecharias son of Barachais spoken of here is not the same referred to that died between the altar . It was infact a mix up as bible scholars acknowledge it was actually Zecharias son of Jehoida as seen in 2 chron 24 vs 20. And some say son of Baruch but definately not son of Barachais.

Hope you know archaelogically the book of Daniel cannot be proven. The bible says Darius was the first King of Medes but archaeology says it was Cyrus. But Yeshua quoted from Daniel. So who is lying. Let God be true and all men liers.

Grow up spiritually my man. Leave the letters and chase the spirit. You r not smarter than God.

You might as well argue that all the people whose names are different in 1 and 2 Samuel and 1 and 2 Chronicles, for example, Araunah who is also called Ornan, are not who the Bible says that they are, or that the Lord Jesus is not the Christ, since His Name was not Emmanuel. People were identified by multiple names in the Bible, so sometimes we are speaking of the same person even when we are actually using different names. Zechariah's father is not the only one whose name the Lord Jesus used differently. When He taught the Pharisees the lesson of the Sabbath in Mark 2, He identified the high priest as Abiathar, but we see Ahimelech as the priest in 1 Samuel 21. You could also argue that that it is a contradiction, when you consider that Abiathar was the son of Ahimelech in 1 Samuel 22:20, but that would be ignoring the fact that there was another Abiathar who was the high priest at the time, possibly the grandfather of the one named in that verse.

In the case of the Barakiah, that is another name of Jehoiada, just like Benoni was another name for Benjamin and Jedidiah was another name for Solomon.

I'm not sure what archaeology has to do with anything. The Bible is a historical authority. Archaeology is a discipline that seeks to use incomplete information to postulate about the past. I would take the Bible's testimony over archaeological findings any day of the week. Nevertheless, your claim is false. Cyrus founded the Persian empire, but Darius in Daniel was a Mede. The Bible does not say that he was the first king of the Medes, it only says that he was the Mede who conquered Babylon.

As I said, you have no respect for the Bible, and you love lies.

Praivit0:



Same way I asked him some questions based on some very confused statements he made here and instead of answering he went defensive.

Dude is clearly confused and there are so many of his likes here. Someone who knows absolutely nothing and yet claiming he has been called into the teaching ministry. Instead of humbling himself to learn , he's here glorifying and magnifying his confusion.

Can a Spirit filled believer actually say the kind of things he's said here?
May God help him.

Why on earth would I answer your questions when you ignored my challenge that you should prove your spurious claims? Am I your slave? If you don't want to answer my own challenge, you don't deserve any answers from me.

Ihedinobi3:

You might as well argue that all the people whose names are different in 1 and 2 Samuel and 1 and 2 Chronicles, for example, Araunah who is also called Ornan, are not who the Bible says that they are, or that the Lord Jesus is not the Christ, since His Name was not Emmanuel. People were identified by multiple names in the Bible, so sometimes we are speaking of the same person even when we are actually using different names. Zechariah's father is not the only one whose name the Lord Jesus used differently. When He taught the Pharisees the lesson of the Sabbath in Mark 2, He identified the high priest as Abiathar, but we see Ahimelech as the priest in 1 Samuel 21. You could also argue that that it is a contradiction, when you consider that Abiathar was the son of Ahimelech in 1 Samuel 22:20, but that would be ignoring the fact that there was another Abiathar who was the high priest at the time, possibly the grandfather of the one named in that verse.

In the case of the Barakiah, that is another name of Jehoiada, just like Benoni was another name for Benjamin and Jedidiah was another name for Solomon.

I'm not sure what archaeology has to do with anything. The Bible is a historical authority. Archaeology is a discipline that seeks to use incomplete information to postulate about the past. I would take the Bible's testimony over archaeological findings any day of the week. Nevertheless, your claim is false. Cyrus founded the Persian empire, but Darius in Daniel was a Mede. The Bible does not say that he was the first king of the Medes, it only says that he was the Mede who conquered Babylon.

As I said, you have no respect for the Bible, and you love lies.

To show how dubious and unlearned you are. Zecharias the son of Barachais actually existed and wrote the book of zechariah same as zecharias according to some scholars. Zecharias of Barachais is well know and that's not how he died. Stop being silly and learn. You know nothing about anything spiritual. Zecharias the son of Barachais and zechariah son of berechiah. Are same. No scholar says Jehioda and barachais are the same . That's just your made up lie to further distort history.

And to show your total disregard for history, belshazzar was the last king of babylon, the next Kingdom was Mede and Persia which is the same as either Mede or Persia. It was kind of a dual kingdom for which Cyrus is credited as being the first King. There is no archaelogical explanation for Darius because historically after belshazzar is Cyrus and no gap found. Yes I agree that the bible is the final authority and man is limited. This just shows that records can be lost and misrepresented as man is the one writing the letters not God but God is the inspiration and Spirit behind the letters. These are after all historical records and one detail can be mixed up. It doesnt mean the bible lied is just that the records handed down could be misinterpreted or a detail lost to time. The important thing is the Spirit behind the word.

I'm sure If I check my journals I will find other examples like this. My man I have no time for this discuss as you r devoid of the truth and the Spirit. Your carnality has clouded you sense of reasoning into the things of the Spirit.

Whatever makes you sleep at night brother.

gobuchinny:


To show how dubious and unlearned you are. Zecharias the son of Barachais actually existed and wrote the book of zechariah same as zecharias according to some scholars. Zecharias of Barachais is well know and that's not how he died. Stop being silly and learn. You know nothing about anything spiritual. Zecharias the son of Barachais and zechariah son of berechiah. Are same. No scholar says Jehioda and barachais are the same . That's just your made up lie to further distort history.

And to show your total disregard for history, belshazzar was the last king of babylon, the next Kingdom was Mede and Persia which is the same as either Mede or Persia. It was kind of a dual kingdom for which Cyrus is credited as being the first King. There is no archaelogical explanation for Darius because historically after belshazzar is Cyrus and no gap found. Yes I agree that the bible is the final authority and man is limited. This just shows that records can be lost and misrepresented as man is the one writing the letters not God but God is the inspiration and Spirit behind the letters. These are after all historical records and one detail can be mixed up. It doesnt mean the bible lied is just that the records handed down could be misinterpreted or a detail lost to time. The important thing is the Spirit behind the word.

gobuchinny:
I'm sure If I check my journals I will find other examples like this. My man I have no time for this discuss as you r devoid of the truth and the Spirit. Your carnality has clouded you sense of reasoning into the things of the Spirit.

Whatever makes you sleep at night brother.

I didn't realize that we are quoting scholars now. I was merely telling you what the Bible says, but of course, just like your brother-in-arms's efforts to prove that I'm a liar just like you lot, you are fighting to prove that the Bible is a liar just like your pseudo Scriptures too.

To be clear, the Lord Jesus was talking about the Zechariah that King Joash of Judah had murdered, not the Zechariah that lived so long after and wrote the book we now have of that name. The Scriptures are clear how Jehoiada's son died. The Lord Jesus referred to it for a reason too (namely, the wickedness of the Jews of His Time that was just like the wickedness of Joash too). There is no doubt what He was meaning to do. As for the "son of Berechiah" part, I've just checked and found that it is not in Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest manuscript we have of the New Testament. The phrase was written in the margin by a later hand (source: https://ichthys.com/mail-bible-interpretation6.htm, see also picture evidence below and http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=33&chapter=23&lid=en&side=r&verse=35&zoomSlider=0), so it's not actually a part of the Bible.

The answer I gave was wrong, but then it was not improbable, because there are many instances where people in the Bible were know by multiple names, just as I demonstrated. But, as I said, Truth is wasted on you, so I don't expect this to do anything except strengthen you in your error and rebellion against the Truth.

As for the Babylon, you should probably read Daniel again and then study up on the history. The Medes and Persians were two separate peoples that formed a kind of alliance that resulted in the "dual kingdom" that you spoke of. Cyrus was not their first king (source: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Cyrus-the-Great). Darius was before him, just as Daniel recorded.

I don't really mind what you have in your journal. That's your business. From where I stand, you just have excuses for putting the Bible on a par with uninspired works that you like to pretend are inspired.