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Maximus69:
Walahi Talahi Tatime will not kill person with amusement!
Hairyrapunzel keep saying the Paradise earth is inside our heads and he will not rest but keep worrying himself over those whose religious ideas MEANT NOTHING TO HIM.
Just imagine that!

Last last you will still die waiting for armageddon and paradise earth to come. It will only be inside your head/imagination.

You will die waiting just like your founding fathers died waiting too

Maximus69:
T A T I M E!
T A T I M E!!
T A T I M E!!!

Just imagine the simplicity and straightforwardness in that!

Well Mr blueAgent, my brother have spoken it all!

You are only expressing your feelings not facts and logic.
What is important is God's word and view not population or feeling.

Mind you God's word did not say that those who follow his true doctrine or word will be the majority, just like in the time of Noah that the majority were feeling good and happy but only Noah and 8 souls were saved so also it will be on our time.


Matthew 24:38
For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and
drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day
that Noah entered the ark,

blueAgent:
You are only expressing your feelings not facts and logic.
What is important is God's word and view not population or feeling.

Mind you God's word did not say that those who follow his true doctrine or word will be the majority, just like in the time of Noah that the majority were feeling good and happy but only Noah and 8 souls were saved so also it will be on our time.


Matthew 24:38
For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and
drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day
that Noah entered the ark

Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

How come you quoted that yet you're still blinded to the fact Jesus was emphasizing there?

Of course Noah and all those saved because they gathered TOGETHER both in body and heart, they were working TOGETHER as one body, observers back then knew them to be ONE family, they all entered the ark TOGETHER the same day!

So let's view you,your folks and compare with JWs, then try to visualize what happened during Noah's time!

Certainly there were many people who were also troubled by the giants disrupting the PEACE on earth back then. But why didn't they enter into the ARK?

Because each person keep preaching his own righteousness to himself without TAKING NOTE of the progressive advancement of what the family of eight have ACHIEVED! Matthew 24:39

God is about to destroy the wicked and what most of them were saying is "i'm not evil, so God can't destroy me simply because i didn't JOIN Noah, his family and those beasts in that woody building"

That's what i've been trying to tell you all these while. You have seen how Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered millions of people into one big happy family of peace loving organization! Isaiah 2:1-4

And you have read that after the destruction of this wicked world, a multitude of people will remain because they've worked together to cleanse themselves from all the blemish of this wicked generation. Revelations 7:9-17

And all you could say now is "their teaching is contrary to God's word" when you can't find any other group of people practicing what you expected!

So what is the difference between you and those who REFUSED to JOIN Noah and those eight souls in the ark?

Remember, what each of them was busy doing is justifying themselves and saying "God won't destroy me and save ONLY Noah and his family"!

My friend, use your brains!

Maximus69:
Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

How come you quoted that yet you're still blinded to the fact Jesus was emphasizing there?

Of course Noah and all those saved because they gathered TOGETHER both in body and heart, they were working TOGETHER as one body, observers back then knew them to be ONE family, they all entered the ark TOGETHER the same day!

So let's view you,your folks and compare with JWs, then try to visualize what happened during Noah's time!

Certainly there were many people who were also troubled by the giants disrupting the PEACE on earth back then. But why didn't they enter into the ARK?

Because each person keep preaching his own righteousness to himself without TAKING NOTE of the progressive advancement of what the family of eight have ACHIEVED! Matthew 24:39

God is about to destroy the wicked and what most of them were saying is "i'm not evil, so God can't destroy me simply because i didn't JOIN Noah, his family and those beasts in that woody building"

That's what i've been trying to tell you all these while. You have seen how Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered millions of people into one big happy family of peace loving organization! Isaiah 2:1-4

And you have read that after the destruction of this wicked world, a multitude of people will remain because they've worked together to cleanse themselves from all the blemish of this wicked generation. Revelations 7:9-17

And all you could say now is "their teaching is contrary to God's word" when you can't find any other group of people practicing what you expected!

So what is the difference between you and those who REFUSED to JOIN Noah and those eight souls in the ark?

Remember, what each of them was busy doing is justifying themselves and saying "God won't destroy me and save ONLY Noah and his family"!

My friend, use your brains!

You are really confused.
What made Noah to be selected by God is it that he was walking in love and feeling good with his family or that he was faithful to God's word?

So the reason for JW to be God's people is that they are happy and show love? You are unbealivable.



You are the one justifying yourself claiming that you are good in your own eyes rather than to judge yourself from the eyes of God which is the word of God.


here The Bible gives us an insight of those who will inherit God's kingdom and unfortunately it did not say it will be peace loving and feeling good people, Nope but people who honour the word of God and his commandments.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rather than be in peace,love and feeling good those who fellow and honour God's word will be persecuted and killed. I guess this disqualifies you and JW.

blueAgent:
You are really confused.
What made Noah to be selected by God is it that he was walking in love and feeling good with his family or that he was faithful to God's word?

So the reason for JW to be God's people is that they are happy and show love? You are unbealivable.



You are the one justifying yourself claiming that you are good in your own eyes rather than to judge yourself from the eyes of God which is the word of God.


here The Bible gives us an insight of those who will inherit God's kingdom and unfortunately it did not say it will be peace loving and feeling good people, Nope but people who honour the word of God and his commandments.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rather than be in peace,love and feeling good those who fellow and honour God's word will be persecuted and killed. I guess this disqualifies you and JW.

So they can't connect themselves as one body and it's their dead that will BEAR WITNESS ABOUT JESUS? continue GUESSING Sir[/b]!

blueAgent:
You are really confused.
What made Noah to be selected by God is it that he was walking in love and feeling good with his family or that he was faithful to God's word?

So the reason for JW to be God's people is that they are happy and show love? You are unbealivable.



You are the one justifying yourself claiming that you are good in your own eyes rather than to judge yourself from the eyes of God which is the word of God.


here The Bible gives us an insight of those who will inherit God's kingdom and unfortunately it did not say it will be peace loving and feeling good people, Nope but people who honour the word of God and his commandments.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rather than be in peace,love and feeling good those who fellow and honour God's word will be persecuted and killed. I guess this disqualifies you and JW.

Of course Jehovah's Witnesses are the target of all dictators!

Most of our brothers were brutalized by the Nazi government in Germany, till today China is still persecuting Jehovah's Witnesses, Russia is presently dealing ruthlessly with our brothers, Croatia and some Arab nations are also not left out.
The main reason is because our brothers will not take up weapons of war in accord with the instruction from Jesus. Matthew 26:52
We will not participate in their political affairs. John 17:14-16
We will not join in ethnic conflicts and this is the means politicians instigate people against one another to achieve their goals.

There are other religions claiming Christians as well that are arrested or imprisoned too, but this once were disturbing the peace of the community by publicly declaring what the people in the community count as public nuisance.
Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses that can't be noticed, this religionists make noise in public places and buses claiming those who refuses to support them will burn in hellfire! Matthew 12:19

So the difference is clear. Jehovah's Witnesses have been criticized, persecuted, imprisoned and killed because they're not of the world! Matthew 10:20-22
The Love, Joy, Peace and so on is only enjoyed IN OUR MIDST! Matthew 7:15-17

Out there we are not expecting any of such from them but trouble because we are ready to die for our faith! John 16:33

Maximus69:
So they can't connect themselves as one body and it's their dead that will BEAR WITNESS ABOUT JESUS? continue GUESSING Sir[/b]!

You fail to understand facts.

I have never been against love,peace and feeling good what I do not subscribe to is one change God's word to suit their doctrine, only to justify it by saying they have love,peace and big family( Church).

blueAgent:
You fail to understand facts.

I have never been against love,peace and feeling good what I do not subscribe to is one change God's word to suit their doctrine, only to justify it by saying they have love,peace and big family( Church).

@bolded

Is the problem here Sir!

I have the feeling that you don't have discernment, you also feel the same towards me.
That's because we're both applying what we read in the Bible differently.
So what will justify the one who got it right?

Well Jesus said "when you SEE a tree bearing good fruit, know that it's a good tree because a good tree will never bear rotten fruit neither will a bad tree bear good fruit, every tree that's not bearing good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire" (to make firewood). Matthew 7:15-18

I've been applying what i read in the Bible to see if Jesus' words are true, because i'm sure that if it's true in this time when the world power (America) have declared freedom of speech expression and worship, nothing supposed to hinder Jesus' true followers from operation.
We all read in the Bible how the Jews fought dirty to silence them in the first century under the control of the Roman colony.
Now that the world power of today declared freedom for worship, true Christians should be RECOGNISABLE in places where America's order is active.
So of all the religions claiming Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses are the group that's leading in all the activities peculiar to that of the first century Christians, and all the qualities Jesus talked about is becoming obvious in their midst!

I'm not saying they must be the group of Jesus, but what i will never accept is your assertion that despite the declaration of freedom of speech expression and worship, Jesus' true followers can't be IDENTIFIED!

NO i will never accept that!

You just need to present another better performing group because God's holy spirit will WORK in the midst of true Christians and all honest hearted observers will SEE the light amongst them ~Jesus. Matthew 5:14-16

TATIME:
Of course Jehovah's Witnesses are the target of all dictators!

Most of our brothers were brutalized by the Nazi government in Germany, till today China is still persecuting Jehovah's Witnesses, Russia is presently dealing ruthlessly with our brothers, Croatia and some Arab nations are also not left out.
The main reason is because our brothers will not take up weapons of war in accord with the instruction from Jesus. Matthew 26:52
We will not participate in their political affairs. John 17:14-16
We will not join in ethnic conflicts and this is the means politicians instigate people against one another to achieve their goals.

There are other religions claiming Christians as well that are arrested or imprisoned too, but this once were disturbing the peace of the community by publicly declaring what the people in the community count as public nuisance.
Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses that can't be noticed, this religionists make noise in public places and buses claiming those who refuses to support them will burn in hellfire! Matthew 12:19

So the difference is clear. Jehovah's Witnesses have been criticized, persecuted, imprisoned and killed because they're not of the world! Matthew 10:20-22
The Love, Joy, Peace and so on is only enjoyed IN OUR MIDST! Matthew 7:15-17

Out there we are not expecting any of such from them but trouble because we are ready to die for our faith! John 16:33

This is not a substitute for the word of God, when your church teach doctrines that are contrary to God's word, than they are not different from pagans and other religious groups.

It is not a matter of feeling or thought but true God's word been preached and practiced.

Maximus69:
@bolded

Is the problem here Sir!

I have the feeling that you don't have discernment, you also feel the same towards me.
That's because we're both applying what we read in the Bible differently.
So what will justify the one who got it right?

Well Jesus said "when you SEE a tree bearing good fruit, know that it's a good tree because a good tree will never bear rotten fruit neither will a bad tree bear good fruit, every tree that's not bearing good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire" (to make firewood). Matthew 7:15-18

I've been applying what i read in the Bible to see if Jesus' words are true, because i'm sure that if it's true in this time when the world power (America) have declared freedom of speech expression and worship, nothing supposed to hinder Jesus' true followers from operation.
We all read in the Bible how the Jews fought dirty to silence them in the first century under the control of the Roman colony.
Now that the world power of today declared freedom for worship, true Christians should be RECOGNISABLE in places where America's order is active.
So of all the religions claiming Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses are the group that's leading in all the activities peculiar to that of the first century Christians, and all the qualities Jesus talked about is becoming obvious in their midst!

I'm not saying they must be the group of Jesus, but what i will never accept is your assertion that despite the declaration of freedom of speech expression and worship, Jesus' true followers can't be IDENTIFIED!

NO i will never accept that!

You just need to present another better performing group because God's holy spirit will WORK in the midst of true Christians and all honest hearted observers will SEE the light amongst them ~Jesus. Matthew 5:14-16

I laugh at you, someone that cannot properly discern who Jesus is, is accusing another of lacking discernment.

The Bible is clear on this matter
The word of God is not open to individual interpretation especially on matters like the divinity or sonship of Jesus Christ on which the hope and eternity of humanity and the universe depends on.

blueAgent:
I laugh at you, someone that cannot properly discern who Jesus is, is accusing another of lacking discernment.

The Bible is clear on this matter
The word of God is not open to individual interpretation especially on matters like the divinity or sonship of Jesus Christ on which the hope and eternity of humanity and the universe depends on.

You're deaf to the sign that God gave you to IDENTIFY true worshippers!

All what you're saying is still what those whose beliefs are coined out of TRINITY ideology teaches!

If all what you're trying to establish is FACT/TRUTH and not CREDULITY, there must be unity in the midst of those who fully grasp the sacred secrets. That's what Jesus said! John 17:20-23

So if you can't find such, then it's evident that what you've misunderstood the scriptures!

Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and many other Rabbis in Israel were all rival groups, when Jesus began to prepare people for Christianity all these religious groups protested saying Jesus was teaching heresy. But they failed to notice the sign that God gave them to help them realize that he is no more in support of Judaism!

The signs Jesus foretold will mark his followers in our time are all fulfilled with the emergence of Jehovah's Witnesses, if you're trying to refute this then you must present a better performing group that's fitting as Jesus' group in our day!

If you're not able to do that and you're arguing against the one you're seeing then what you're indirectly saying is that God's holy spirit can't ORGANIZE his people in an orderly manner!

Maximus69:
You're deaf to the sign that God gave you to IDENTIFY true worshippers!

All what you're saying is still what those whose beliefs are coined out of TRINITY ideology teaches!

If all what you're trying to establish is FACT/TRUTH and not CREDULITY, there must be unity in the midst of those who fully grasp the sacred secrets. That's what Jesus said! John 17:20-23

So if you can't find such, then it's evident that what you've misunderstood the scriptures!

Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and many other Rabbis in Israel were all rival groups, when Jesus began to prepare people for Christianity all these religious groups protested saying Jesus was teaching heresy. But they failed to notice the sign that God gave them to help them realize that he is no more in support of Judaism!

The signs Jesus foretold will mark his followers in our time are all fulfilled with the emergence of Jehovah's Witnesses, if you're trying to refute this then you must present a better performing group that's fitting as Jesus' group in our day!

If you're not able to do that and you're arguing against the one you're seeing then what you're indirectly saying is that God's holy spirit can't ORGANIZE his people in an orderly manner!

It is God's word vs JW doctrine nothing more or less.

I rather die lonely believing God's word than live and identify with millions fellowing false teachings and lies

blueAgent:
It is God's word vs JW doctrine nothing more or less.

I rather die lonely believing God's word than live and identify with millions fellowing false teachings and lies

Exactly what stubborn religious leaders in Judaism were saying IN THEIR HEARTS!

They were saying "it's God's word vs this Carpenter's son, we'll rather die in our understanding of the scriptures than join those fooling themselves around with that SATANIST"

Despite all what Jesus performed in their midst, they kept arguing based on they own understanding of the scriptures, they defy the sign God gave their generation!

Jesus said generations after that time will not be given any sign except that of Jonah, Jonah was a prophet who committed blunders both in carrying out his assignment and reasoning but God still used him as his prophet. Jehovah's Witnesses will not perform any miracles for you to be convinced that we are the people Micah talked about! Micah 4:2-4

You will notice the blunders of those overseeing the activities of this organization, but there will be NO RELIGIOUS GROUP that will stand to achieve 1% of what they're doing in your neighborhood!

Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis strongly asserted that Jesus was a Satanist {Mark 3:22} they damn all the composite signs the prophets including John the baptist said about the coming Messiah { John 10:41} and they continued justifying themselves with false reasoning {John 7:45-49} even when a member of their group tried to show reasonableness they vehemently silenced him {John 7: 50-52} They stood before Pontius Pilate (a Roman governor) saying "we're responsible for his death, let his INNOCENT blood come upon us and our children"! Matthew 27:25

So we are not forcing you to agree with us on what we've read, studied, seen and heard about this organization {Zachariah 8:23, Isaiah 2:1-4} all what Jesus asked us to do is bear witness to you that what he instituted during the first century, is now yielding fruit bountifully {Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20, Act 1:8 compared to Matthew 5:14-15, 7:15-20}} You can see a global family of peace loving worshippers all actively preaching and teaching in your neighborhood today just as ONE BODY {John 17:20-23} therefore if you're now battling with false religion and you feel that Jesus' group is still not IDENTIFIABLE, then we'll leave you to continue arguing fruitlessly with your brothers who are worshipers of TRINITY!
Thank you Sir!

solite3:
Hell is real, Jesus said it is better to live with a disability forever than to be in Hell.

Jesus mention human BODY been thrown into hell, do you agree ?

solite3:
Neither will I answer you simple

Your link established that all are God's children, the main question is: WHY? By virtue of Creation, is Jesus his child too ?

There you have your answer .

Maximus69:
Exactly what stubborn religious leaders in Judaism were saying IN THEIR HEARTS!

They were saying "it's God's word vs this Carpenter's son, we'll rather die in our understanding of the scriptures than join those fooling themselves around with that SATANIST"

Despite all what Jesus performed in their midst, they kept arguing based on they own understanding of the scriptures, they defy the sign God gave their generation!

Jesus said generations after that time will not be given any sign except that of Jonah, Jonah was a prophet who committed blunders both in carrying out his assignment and reasoning but God still used him as his prophet. Jehovah's Witnesses will not perform any miracles for you to be convinced that we are the people Micah talked about! Micah 4:2-4

You will notice the blunders of those overseeing the activities of this organization, but there will be NO RELIGIOUS GROUP that will stand to achieve 1% of what they're doing in your neighborhood!

Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis strongly asserted that Jesus was a Satanist {Mark 3:22} they damn all the composite signs the prophets including John the baptist said about the coming Messiah { John 10:41} and they continued justifying themselves with false reasoning {John 7:45-49} even when a member of their group tried to show reasonableness they vehemently silenced him {John 7: 50-52} They stood before Pontius Pilate (a Roman governor) saying "we're responsible for his death, let his INNOCENT blood come upon us and our children"! Matthew 27:25

So we are not forcing you to agree with us on what we've read, studied, seen and heard about this organization {Zachariah 8:23, Isaiah 2:1-4} all what Jesus asked us to do is bear witness to you that what he instituted during the first century, is now yielding fruit bountifully {Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20, Act 1:8 compared to Matthew 5:14-15, 7:15-20}} You can see a global family of peace loving worshippers all actively preaching and teaching in your neighborhood today just as ONE BODY {John 17:20-23} therefore if you're now battling with false religion and you feel that Jesus' group is still not IDENTIFIABLE, then we'll leave you to continue arguing fruitlessly with your brothers who are worshipers of TRINITY!
Thank you Sir!

What do you think will take you to Heaven?
Is it God's word or commandments that you honour or that you belong to people who love peace and feel good about themselves.

Maximus69:
Exactly what stubborn religious leaders in Judaism were saying IN THEIR HEARTS!

They were saying "it's God's word vs this Carpenter's son, we'll rather die in our understanding of the scriptures than join those fooling themselves around with that SATANIST"

Despite all what Jesus performed in their midst, they kept arguing based on they own understanding of the scriptures, they defy the sign God gave their generation!

Jesus said generations after that time will not be given any sign except that of Jonah, Jonah was a prophet who committed blunders both in carrying out his assignment and reasoning but God still used him as his prophet. Jehovah's Witnesses will not perform any miracles for you to be convinced that we are the people Micah talked about! Micah 4:2-4

You will notice the blunders of those overseeing the activities of this organization, but there will be NO RELIGIOUS GROUP that will stand to achieve 1% of what they're doing in your neighborhood!

Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis strongly asserted that Jesus was a Satanist {Mark 3:22} they damn all the composite signs the prophets including John the baptist said about the coming Messiah { John 10:41} and they continued justifying themselves with false reasoning {John 7:45-49} even when a member of their group tried to show reasonableness they vehemently silenced him {John 7: 50-52} They stood before Pontius Pilate (a Roman governor) saying "we're responsible for his death, let his INNOCENT blood come upon us and our children"! Matthew 27:25

So we are not forcing you to agree with us on what we've read, studied, seen and heard about this organization {Zachariah 8:23, Isaiah 2:1-4} all what Jesus asked us to do is bear witness to you that what he instituted during the first century, is now yielding fruit bountifully {Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20, Act 1:8 compared to Matthew 5:14-15, 7:15-20}} You can see a global family of peace loving worshippers all actively preaching and teaching in your neighborhood today just as ONE BODY {John 17:20-23} therefore if you're now battling with false religion and you feel that Jesus' group is still not IDENTIFIABLE, then we'll leave you to continue arguing fruitlessly with your brothers who are worshipers of TRINITY!
Thank you Sir!

You keep making reference to Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis, but you fail to understand that JW have so many things in common with them.

Jesus was never happy with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis because they replaced God's word with theirs, God's teachings with theirs and also they never accepted that Jesus was the literal Son of God.
So you can see that God is not happy with JW as well as with the Pharisees,Sadducees,

blueAgent:
(1)What do you think will take you to Heaven?

Is it God's word or commandments that you honour or that you belong to people who love peace and feel good about themselves.

Hmmmmmmmmm!

Now you see where we've been having issues all these while!

@bolded, is a big problem that we both need to solve first before we can understand each other!

God never created humans for heavenly life! Psalms 115:16

Earth is our permanent home! Genesis 1:27-28

And God is willing to help us stay alive on it FOREVER! Isaiah 25:8, Psalms 37:7-11, 29

So Jesus' mission on earth is to first of all gather the fittest of men and train them to be his corulers over the earth! Luke 12:32

From Abel till today God's heavenly host has been working tirelessly to gather obedient ones amongst the descendants of Adam for everlasting life on earth! Hebrew 11:4-32

Heavenly life belongs ONLY to a limited number of humans selected amongst the Christians (those who have received training from the Prince of Peace), he promised them that they'll be with him where he lives before coming to the earth! John 14:1-4

There subjects must be ORGANIZED adequately in an orderly manner as a global family of peace loving worshippers! Isaiah 2:1-4 John 17:20-23

That's why i've been maintaining that you shouldn't expect perfection from them, because Jesus will continue to coordinate them for another 1000 years after all unbelievers might have been exterminated! Revelations 20:5-6

Notice that the first set to be resurrected from the death will never die again and they will serve as priests and kings with Jesus (in heaven).

But countless number of OBEDIENT humans (including resurrected faithful servants of God and those who only lived by conscience) will be on earth receiving training through an ORGANIZED system until the end of 1000 years, whoever refused to accept the discipline set by Jesus will not have his name WRITTEN for everlasting life {Revelations 20:15} because it's the born again Christians whose number is 144,000 that's going to work with the angels in heaven to get people's names written!

That's why Jesus said the judgment will be based on our cordiality and support for the born again Christians (Jesus' brothers) Matthew 25:31-46

That's why i kept insisting that everything is gradually working out as planned, anyone reading the Bible and giving any other interpretation now after witnessing the emergence of this arrangement needs to be careful otherwise he will loose everlasting life!

The only sign God is giving all honest hearted and sincere humans is the group amongst whom the 9 qualities of God's holy spirit has becomes obvious, any law you're quoting against them is useless {Galatians 5:22-23} as long as they're forging ahead with God's will (plan).

blueAgent:
You keep making reference to Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis, but you fail to understand that JW have so many things in common with them.

Jesus was never happy with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis because they replaced God's word with theirs, God's teachings with theirs and also they never accepted that Jesus was the literal Son of God.
So you can see that God is not happy with JW as well as with the Pharisees,Sadducees,

@ bolded is not there problem!

Of course they agreed that God has children and since Jesus is a Jew he is literally God's son by means of Abraham! Matthew 1:1 compared to Luke 3:23,38

They can trace their genealogy from Abraham to God so they're claiming God's children! John 8:41

The problem they had was submitting to God's plan! The Messiah (Christ) will come and as the one and only human ever having direct dealing with God (after Adam and Eve), he's the only person who knows what God requires of us. Matthew 17:5
If the Pharisees should agree to that, then they must abandon their former religious setting, their position and their political ambitions to become Jesus' disciples, which will require that they become humble so as to start going from house to house with Jesus preaching (pleading) for the people to reconcile with God (repent). Matthew 10:10-15

Of course they'll prefer Jesus saying all religions are OK with just little adjustment as you're saying now, but Jesus insisted that everyone living in Israel back then must abandon whatever they believe before to become his follower {Matthew 19:21} This seems impossible for anyone in their class so the only way to remain relevant in the society is to keep their religion while Jesus also keep his own. But since Jesus is winning the people's heart (with his teachings and claiming no one can have God's blessing apart from his followers) they can't bear it anymore so they planned to get rid of him! Matthew 26:4

Today, Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group following the program Jesus initiated back then, that's why everything about us totally differs from all the religions on earth and we are gradually penetrating all the earth to find subjects for Jesus! Matthew 28:19-20

If you ask me, i'll say that's why we keep saying "no one outside our group will be saved on the day of judgment", well that's exactly the same statement that made the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and all other Rabbis hate Jesus with passion! John 3:16-18

blueAgent:
Jesus was never happy with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Rabbis because they replaced God's word with theirs, God's teachings with theirs and also they never accepted that Jesus was the literal Son of God.
,

** Wetin Musa no go see for gate ?

BlueAgent, what's the Thesaurus definition of "CREATE"?
* Why are you dishonest?
Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine
and it is Unbiblical.
by Janosky : 9:24pm On Nov 03
blueAgent :
That's while people dislike JW because
they can lie a lot.
according to your word you say JW
agree that God born Jesus as well as
Israel.
Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth.
1 John5:1.
Your case is beyond the scope of JWs or NL
to resolve.
blueAgent :
Clown.
It's obvious English is not even your
4th language you seem not to
understand what Synonyms.
I just exposed your fraud, that the word
create can still be translated or mean
to born, breed,bear,beget which means
JESUS CAN STILL BE A CREATED (BORN) BEING still be the literal son of God.
Which fraud ?
You wan deny Hebrew YALAD & QANAH ?
(Go back to threads 28/29.....)
In the words of blueAgent "Jesus can still be
a CREATED (born) BEING and still be the
literal son of God.
Omo, see confession ! '"CREATED BEING..."
Bros Blue, ekushe oooo !
I go buy 2 bottles of orijin for you.
Shey you dey like 'shacks'?

** IT IS OBVIOUS TO A NEUTRAL PERSON THAT MANY OF YOUR BELIEFS ARE SIMILAR TO JW BELIEFS ,( WITH EXCEPTION OF A FEW).
THE LABEL YOU TAG JWs ALSO REFER TO YOU.

Janosky:
** Wetin Musa no go see for gate ?

BlueAgent, what's the Thesaurus definition of "CREATE"?
* Why are you dishonest?
Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine
and it is Unbiblical.
by Janosky : 9:24pm On Nov 03
blueAgent :
That's while people dislike JW because
they can lie a lot.
according to your word you say JW
agree that God born Jesus as well as
Israel.
Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth.
1 John5:1.
Your case is beyond the scope of JWs or NL
to resolve.
blueAgent :
Clown.
It's obvious English is not even your
4th language you seem not to
understand what Synonyms.
I just exposed your fraud, that the word
create can still be translated or mean
to born, breed,bear,beget which means
JESUS CAN STILL BE A CREATED (BORN) BEING still be the literal son of God.
Which fraud ?
You wan deny Hebrew YALAD & QANAH ?
(Go back to threads 28/29.....)
In the words of blueAgent "Jesus can still be
a CREATED (born) BEING and still be the
literal son of God.
Omo, see confession ! '"CREATED BEING..."
Bros Blue, ekushe oooo !
I go buy 2 bottles of orijin for you.
Shey you dey like 'shacks'?

** IT IS OBVIOUS TO A NEUTRAL PERSON THAT MANY OF YOUR BELIEFS ARE SIMILAR TO JW BELIEFS ,( WITH EXCEPTION OF A FEW).
THE LABEL YOU TAG JWs ALSO REFER TO YOU.

He could teach God's word better than those who use their own Bible interpretation to ORGANIZE people from all nations (including racist nations) under one umbrella! Micah 4:2-4

Holy Ghost FIRE is interpreting God's word to him but the interpretation is NOT functioning as in practicable anywhere NOT even in his own Church except in his own mind! Proverbs 14:12

The doctrine of Trinity is shrouded in a mystery, ordinarily you won't understand it,if God, don't revealed it you.

jom28gy:
The doctrine of Trinity is shrouded in a mystery, ordinarily you won't understand it,if God, don't revealed it you.

The two in bolded says it all!

Definitely TRINITY shouldn't be mentioned at all in Christianity since it's shrouded in a MYSTERY and can't be explained to conviction if God, don't reveal it to people.

Christianity is all about PREACHING and TEACHING{ Matthew 28:19-20} surely a sound teacher like Jesus won't send his followers out to go messing around before pagans, trying to teach what they can't EXPLAIN!

Comprehensive leads to conviction and it's through the mouth of humans that the message of the good news must be preached. Romans 10:13-15
If it's God alone that can reveal something to people, it means that thing can't be for everyone, otherwise each person must hear DIRECTLY from God to fully understand him, and there shouldn't be any reason to blame those who refuse to accept that thing since they can ONLY understand by divine intervention!

Maximus69:
The two in bolded says it all!

Definitely TRINITY shouldn't be mentioned at all in Christianity since it's shrouded in a MYSTERY and can't be explained to conviction if God, don't reveal it to people.

Christianity is all about PREACHING and TEACHING{ Matthew 28:19-20} surely a sound teacher like Jesus won't send his followers out to go messing around before pagans, trying to teach what they can't EXPLAIN!

Comprehensive leads to conviction and it's through the mouth of humans that the message of the good news must be preached. Romans 10:13-15
If it's God alone that can reveal something to people, it means that thing can't be for everyone, otherwise each person must hear DIRECTLY from God to fully understand him, and there shouldn't be any reason to blame those who refuse to accept that thing since they can ONLY understand by divine intervention!

how can you blame somebody, for what they did not understand or know, very impossible

jom28gy:
how can you blame somebody, for what they did not understand or know, very impossible

The more reason why TRINITY is a scam!

Maximus69:
The more reason why TRINITY is a scam!

never a scam, but due,is unexplained terms, hence, very difficult,to understand, Trinity,is a three ways terms, of condition of services, which God,set for himself,to achieved his aims and objectives, but due to the way people wrote the Bible, have no explanation for it, hence, many interpretations and misgivings that follows it

jom28gy:
never a scam, but due,is unexplained terms, hence, very difficult,to understand, Trinity,is a three ways terms, of condition of services, which God,set for himself,to achieved his aims and objectives, but due to the way people wrote the Bible, have no explanation for it, hence, many interpretations and misgivings that follows it

I think there shouldn't be a reason to define it, since it's unexplainable and the purpose of teaching is to inculcate by REASON of explanation!

Maximus69:
The more reason why TRINITY is a scam!

Armageddon is a scam
Theocracy is a scam
Watchtower organization is a scam
Governing body is a scam
Living forever on a paradise earth is a scam

Wahala dey for OKOKO!

Hairyrapunzel:
Armageddon is a scam
Theocracy is a scam
Watchtower organization is a scam
Governing body is a scam
Living forever on a paradise earth is a scam

This is what the 3-unique natures of God looks like for easier understanding.
Using a human being as an example
A man who is the head of His Family is called *Father*
The same man was born of a particular parent hence He is also *a Son*
The same man teaches in a school hence he is called *a teacher*.
These titles and responsibilities of *Father*, *Son* and *teacher* is performed by *One Person who is the same* but at different times and locations.
This is the same way *One God* has *3-titles and responsibilities(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)* but He can manifest 3-of them at the same time and the same location and at different times at the same location or at different times and different locations. This is what is called the *Trinity* or *Triune* nature of *One God* who is *Almighty*. He is One God, He is One Lord in whatever title/responsibility He chooses to use in manifesting Himself whether as Father, Son or Holy Spirit, whether in the heavens, earth or under-world at the same time or at different times. Great Grace Brethren!!!

Janosky:
** Wetin Musa no go see for gate ?

BlueAgent, what's the Thesaurus definition of "CREATE"?
* Why are you dishonest?
Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine
and it is Unbiblical.
by Janosky : 9:24pm On Nov 03
blueAgent :
That's while people dislike JW because
they can lie a lot.
according to your word you say JW
agree that God born Jesus as well as
Israel.
Deut 32:18
"You neglected the Rock who begot you, And
forgot the God who gave you birth.
1 John5:1.
Your case is beyond the scope of JWs or NL
to resolve.
blueAgent :
Clown.
It's obvious English is not even your
4th language you seem not to
understand what Synonyms.
I just exposed your fraud, that the word
create can still be translated or mean
to born, breed,bear,beget which means
JESUS CAN STILL BE A CREATED (BORN) BEING still be the literal son of God.
Which fraud ?
You wan deny Hebrew YALAD & QANAH ?
(Go back to threads 28/29.....)
In the words of blueAgent "Jesus can still be
a CREATED (born) BEING and still be the
literal son of God.
Omo, see confession ! '"CREATED BEING..."
Bros Blue, ekushe oooo !
I go buy 2 bottles of orijin for you.
Shey you dey like 'shacks'?

** IT IS OBVIOUS TO A NEUTRAL PERSON THAT MANY OF YOUR BELIEFS ARE SIMILAR TO JW BELIEFS ,( WITH EXCEPTION OF A FEW).
THE LABEL YOU TAG JWs ALSO REFER TO YOU.

When will you stop exposing your ignorance?


First am the OP of this thread which means am totally against trinity doctrine.

My argument has always been that Jesus was born by God while you guys insist that he was created by God.

But fortunately for me been created by God does not mean he was not born by God because the Synonyms of create is to bare,born procreate e.t.c

Instead of you to accept the truth you are trying hard to prove me wrong which you can never achieve.

Maximus69:
@ bolded is not there problem!

Of course they agreed that God has children and since Jesus is a Jew he is literally God's son by means of Abraham! Matthew 1:1 compared to Luke 3:23,38

They can trace their genealogy from Abraham to God so they're claiming God's children! John 8:41

The problem they had was submitting to God's plan! The Messiah (Christ) will come and as the one and only human ever having direct dealing with God (after Adam and Eve), he's the only person who knows what God requires of us. Matthew 17:5
If the Pharisees should agree to that, then they must abandon their former religious setting, their position and their political ambitions to become Jesus' disciples, which will require that they become humble so as to start going from house to house with Jesus preaching (pleading) for the people to reconcile with God (repent). Matthew 10:10-15

Of course they'll prefer Jesus saying all religions are OK with just little adjustment as you're saying now, but Jesus insisted that everyone living in Israel back then must abandon whatever they believe before to become his follower {Matthew 19:21} This seems impossible for anyone in their class so the only way to remain relevant in the society is to keep their religion while Jesus also keep his own. But since Jesus is winning the people's heart (with his teachings and claiming no one can have God's blessing apart from his followers) they can't bear it anymore so they planned to get rid of him! Matthew 26:4

Today, Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group following the program Jesus initiated back then, that's why everything about us totally differs from all the religions on earth and we are gradually penetrating all the earth to find subjects for Jesus! Matthew 28:19-20

If you ask me, i'll say that's why we keep saying "no one outside our group will be saved on the day of judgment", well that's exactly the same statement that made the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and all other Rabbis hate Jesus with passion! John 3:16-18

In all this long Grammer digression the truth of the matter is they never adhered to Christ teachings and God's word which is the same thing JW is know for.
what gives you credit before God is not going house to house preaching what you like, but what matter most to God is that you go house to house preaching the true word and doctrine of God .