alBHAGDADI:


Your question is incoherent.

Lol..... thank you .....

Bnimz:

So, if I understand you properly, what you are saying now is that a Christian cannot sin?

Because this is one of the issues I have with you Calvinists. You are quick to point out that returning to a life of sin cannot result in a loss of salvation.....

You also acknowledge that a Christian might sin, but you stress that this does not affect his salvation....

At the same time when we start bringing out some really massive sins, you instantly start denying the possibility of a Christian commiting those sins in the first place...

Free will is not a switch that you can turn on and off when you so choose..

Someone who can lie can steal, someone who can steal can commit murder, someone who can commit murder can commit suicide..

So its either you outline the types of sins that it is possible for a Christian to commit but that cannot result in a loss of salvation, or you outright say that a Christian cannot commit any sin at all.. You can't have it both ways.

Why is it difficult for you to point out one Christian in the Bible that committed suicide? You know you can't cos it never happened. Yet, you expect me to start giving reality answers on assumptions. It's the same as saying what if God is satan. God is and can never be satan, so it will be stupid for me to start giving answers to your "what if".

Where are you even told that suicide, Fornication, murder etc are what actually sends people to hell fire? Look dude, what sends people to hell fire is the son of unbelief in Jesus. Those that believe in Jesus have their sins paid for by him. Those that don't believe in him get to pay for their own sins in hell fire.


John 3:18 (KJV)
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


According to the above verse, whether you live a life devoid of sin, which is impossible according to the Bible, you will still be condemned for your lack of believe in Jesus.

The verse also says that believe in Jesus frees you from any form of condemnation that comes with sin.

on4a:


Not even the power of sin, that was why God commended His love to us even while we were sinners. But to still think ot teach a believer can be held by the power of sin is contradictory to the gospel.

Thank you.

They think sin is powerful than the blood of Jesus. If it were so, then they are saying God messed up by shedding a weak blood on the cross. God forbid. Such can only come from the mind of unbelievers.

alBHAGDADI:

According to the above verse, whether you live a life devoid of sin, which is impossible according to the Bible, you will still be condemned for your lack of believe in Jesus.

The verse also says that believe in Jesus frees you from any form of condemnation that comes with sin.

So from your first statement, a Christian will definitely commit sin. Fine

But a Christian will not be condemned for his sins.. Also fine.

Seems very straightforward..

Why then are you unable to categorically assert that our suicidal person will go to heaven?

Cos if that is the case, then no Christian has any reason to remain on this troublesome Earth any longer... Christians should all just fast forward to the end, die and go to heaven, afterall that is the ultimate goal, so whats the delay? Why battle trials and temptations, why wrestle against flesh and blood, why endure torture and martyrdom?

Why not just end it all the coward's way, and take the express train to heaven?

Could it be that some sins are too big for your faith in the impossibility of losing salvation?

Could it be that you cannot picture a Christian who fell into temptation, committed adultery and died of a heart attack in the middle of the act going to heaven?

Or are you going to say that someone who committed adultery was not a Christian in the first place, in which case I would like to know exactly what sins a Christian can commit and still be a Christian according to your theology.

Cos hey, you agree that it is not possible to live a life devoid of sin afterall.

Bnimz:


So from your first statement, a Christian will definitely commit sin. Fine

But a Christian will not be condemned for his sins.. Also fine.

Seems very straightforward..

Why then are you unable to categorically assert that our suicidal person will go to heaven?

Cos if that is the case, then no Christian has any reason to remain on this troublesome Earth any longer... Christians should all just fast forward to the end, die and go to heaven, afterall that is the ultimate goal, so whats the delay? Why battle trials and temptations, why wrestle against flesh and blood, why endure torture and martyrdom?

Why not just end it all the coward's way, and take the express train to heaven?

Could it be that some sins are too big for your faith in the impossibility of losing salvation?

Could it be that you cannot picture a Christian who fell into temptation, committed adultery and died of a heart attack in the middle of the act going to heaven?

Or are you going to say that someone who committed adultery was not a Christian in the first place, in which case I would like to know exactly what sins a Christian can commit and still be a Christian according to your theology.

Cos hey, you agree that it is not possible to live a life devoid of sin afterall.

@bold

I can't give you an answer to something that can't possibly happen.


How many times do I have to tell you that a Christian can't commit suicide? How many times do I have to ask you to give me an Instance from the bible of a Christian. committing suicide?

A Christian can't commit suicide same way a Christian can't be possessed with demons. Demons can't possess a Christian because the Holy Spirit lives inside of him. Or do you want to tell me that demons can live inside a human whom the Holy Spirit has already possessed? They can't.

So, it will be stupid for me to give you an answer if you ask to know what will happen if a Christian is possessed with demons. I can't give you any answer because it is not possible for a Christian to be possessed with demons in the first place. So, why then are you expecting me to tell you what will happen when Christian commits suicide, a thing which can't happen?

A Christian can't commit suicide because whatever bothers people to the point of taking their own lives will be revealed to him by the Holy Spirit whom Jesus said will guide us into all truth.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

What makes people commit suicide? Several trials and afflictions. However, God promised Christians that he won't expose them to the kind of temptation that they cannot bear, meaning he won't lead them to the point that they will take their life because the temptation is too much.

1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].


Christians don't cower in the face of tribulations and afflictions. Instead we glory in it.

Romans 5:3-4
And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Psalms 34:19 -
Many [are] the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.


So, what is it that can make a Christian commit suicide when God is there to deliver him from it all? Nothing.

Job went through horrible things, yet he didn't take his own life. God can't allow it because it would be a shame. Won't you feel ashamed to hear that your son killed himself. It means you failed as a father. Yet, you are here saying God will allow that happen to his children. Perhaps, you are trying to make God a shameful being. Shame on you.

The reason why you think a Christian should just kill himself immediately he gets saved is because you haven't experienced salvation. Once you know you are eternally secured, you won't live in fear. You currently live in fear of dying a sinner, that's why you hold the idea of just killing yourself immediately you get saved.

Once you experience the true salvation. you won't live in fear again. You will see that you have a whole lot to live for. You have been giving the gift of eternal life, isn't it good to bring others to this wonderful thing? If the disciples had killed themselves immediately they were saved, would you even be reading about the Gospel?

I told you in the other post that the fruit of the spirit is joy, peace, long-suffering etc. All these things won't make you even take your life. Is it not someone who is not at peace that kills himself? The Holy Spirit gives you peace, so a Christian can't kill himself.


I've entertained you enough. Goodbye

shadeyinka:

Any "branch" that bear no fruit is NOT His as Gods DNA is not in such.

One who is truely saved must bear fruit. If he isn't, then he isn't saved.

Mat 7:16: "You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

Mat 7:17: "Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit."

Mat 7:18: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

If there was anything as branches with God's DNA in them, then every single one of those branches in the Vine called Jesus should have had it and consequently borne fruits.

But it wasn't so because it took the bearing of fruits for God to know any branch in the Vine and for it to become His own. That's why it was only after any branch has borne fruit that God begins to purge it to enable it bear more fruits.

And that's the way of the Father that Jesus was trying to teach us in that saying which you quoted, for a tree is only known to God by the kind of fruit it bears, that's if He should cut it down and send it to the fire or save it.

Matthew 3:10 (KJV)

10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

So God's doesn't judge a tree by His own "DNA" (If such a thing ever existed) or if they are His people or anything else but by it's fruits. And this was what John the Baptist himself tried to point out, on this occasion to correct those with such a false notion:

Matthew 3:8-9 (KJV)

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

So this kind of erroneous gospel where people believe they can be saved by God without works/fruits didn't begin today, for it had long existed prior to the coming of Christ. It only just took on another shape or form in the church.

But just as Jesus showed of the end of those many annointed workers of iniquity (branches in Him) that didn't bear (good) fruits, God doesn't change His ways, for it is by their bearing (good) fruits that He knows them. And that is what determines if He saves or destroys them, not something else.

God bless.

Bnimz:


So from your first statement, a Christian will definitely commit sin. Fine

But a Christian will not be condemned for his sins.. Also fine.

Seems very straightforward..

Why then are you unable to categorically assert that our suicidal person will go to heaven?

Cos if that is the case, then no Christian has any reason to remain on this troublesome Earth any longer... Christians should all just fast forward to the end, die and go to heaven, afterall that is the ultimate goal, so whats the delay? Why battle trials and temptations, why wrestle against flesh and blood, why endure torture and martyrdom?

Why not just end it all the coward's way, and take the express train to heaven?

Could it be that some sins are too big for your faith in the impossibility of losing salvation?

Could it be that you cannot picture a Christian who fell into temptation, committed adultery and died of a heart attack in the middle of the act going to heaven?

Or are you going to say that someone who committed adultery was not a Christian in the first place, in which case I would like to know exactly what sins a Christian can commit and still be a Christian according to your theology.

Cos hey, you agree that it is not possible to live a life devoid of sin afterall.

I was thinking along these same lines. Weldone.

alBHAGDADI:
How many times do I have to tell you that a Christian can't commit suicide?

You missed the main question in that my post bro.

Let me ask again in a clearer way

You have insisted that there are sins that a Christian CANNOT commit....

Alright, cool. Let me agree with you on that one.

Now, with that settled,

I would like to know exactly what sins a Christian CAN commit and still be a Christian according to your theology.

Cos hey, you agree that it is not possible to live a life devoid of sin afterall.

Let me make this easier for you..

A Christian falls into temptation and commits adultery.. during the sex act, he has a heart attack and dies instantly... Heaven or Hell?

A Christian is at a shopping mall in Texas. Someone calls him, he doesn't want to say where he is, so he lies about his location... A mass shooter enters and starts killing people, he is one of the people killed. .... How far, Heaven or Hell?


You have one "big" sin up there and one "small" sin up there... Please tell me which one a Christian can commit without any risk.

Bear in mind, If you say it is impossible for a Christian to do any of the two, then it means you are saying a Christian cannot sin...

Mftivi:
you way you said that pridefully like you are very sure a jot won't be found on your garment. Anyone I see that rejects Salvation is see as prideful person and surprise might await them. You are telling God he wasted his own time for sending Jesus to die for you that you can live right for your own justification. Your act do not justify you only your belief in the finished work of the cross. You are saved to work you don't work to be saved! You can't work to be saved, if humans could do that Jesus wouldn't have come to die for us.

Hmmm.

Maybe you think to believe a lie is humility while to believe the Truth is pride.

Whatever you believe, just make sure you have works with you, for when you appear before Jesus, He would not judge you based on His own works but yours:

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

A word is enough for the wise.

Bnimz:


You missed the main question in that my post bro.

Let me ask again in a clearer way

You have insisted that there are sins that a Christian CANNOT commit....

Alright, cool. Let me agree with you on that one.

Now, with that settled,

I would like to know exactly what sins a Christian CAN commit and still be a Christian according to your theology.

Cos hey, you agree that it is not possible to live a life devoid of sin afterall.

Let me make this easier for you..

A Christian falls into temptation and commits adultery.. during the sex act, he has a heart attack and dies instantly... Heaven or Hell?

A Christian is at a shopping mall in Texas. Someone calls him, he doesn't want to say where he is, so he lies about his location... A mass shooter enters and starts killing people, he is one of the people killed. .... How far, Heaven or Hell?


You have one "big" sin up there and one "small" sin up there... Please tell me which one a Christian can commit without any risk.

Bear in mind, If you say it is impossible for a Christian to do any of the two, then it means you are saying a Christian cannot sin...

Lying, adultery, disobedience, and Co are works of sin. After Jesus had died and resurrected, the only sin that leads to hell is unbelief in the finished works of Christ. God doesn't record or keep account of any sin we commit in the flesh. The only way a saved Christian can go to hell is if he deliberately and willingly rejects Jesus sacrifice.

Heb 10: Someone who rejected the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 How much greater punishment do you think that person deserves who has contempt for the Son of God, and profanes the blood of the covenant that made him holy, and insults the Spirit of grace?

Only carnal Christians believe eternal salvation is a license to sin. They still believe they justified by "not sinning" and not the sacrifice of Jesus. The holy spirit is the seal of our salvation. Our job here is just to preach the gospel and walk in the spirit

Anyway, to avoid prolonging the debate, let me finish on this note..

All the 3 examples I gave are trick questions.
They all deal with a Christian committing ONE sin with no chance to repent.

The correct answer to each of those questions, (the suicide case, the adultery case and the liar's case) would not be Heaven or Hell

It would be "I don't Know"

Because in each case we hear of the person committing ONE sin, not a pattern of a life of sin.

I believe in the perseverance of the saints, and that we are saved by faith. Thus, occasional missteps here and there will not nullify our salvation...

However, I do not believe that it is absolutely impossible for a Christian to lose salvation regardless of what they do. Because if we commit sin, and then we continue to commit the sin, and we get to a point where we are now comfortable in the sin, yet for our mind we are thinking (I believe in Jesus, I am saved, these sins don't matter) .. ah... Then in that case,

2 Peter 2:20–22 (NKJV): 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

Romans 6:16 (NKJV): 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?


2 Timothy 2:19 (NKJV): 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

James 2:14-17 (NKJV): 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


In summary, we are not saved by works, but by faith. However, by our works, we can renounce that faith, regardless of what we claim to believe.

If people believe that they cannot lose their salvation and they continue to walk in the spirit, ITS COOL. I DON'T CARE

The danger arises when you encounter people who believe they cannot lose their salvation THEREFORE, they proceed to do whatever they like... Such people might have been saved once... But if they continue along that path,... Hmm... it becomes a case of

Matthew 7:21-23(KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity



Cc alBHAGDADI , jesusjnr , okcornel , 1StopRudeness , infomaz, praivit0, Harshirama, muttleylaff, on4a

Harshirama:


You're hell bent on going to heaven based on your own works just like the Pharisees

It isn't by work but by faith. You are called to believe in Christ. And believing in him is synonymous with doing his will. If you say you have faith and still commit intentional sins, you are only deceiving yourself. God is not mocked. You will reap what you sow. "To him that noeth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is a sin"

If you don't do his will and do iniquity, you will end up where the workers of iniquity end up. There is no two way to it.

Harshirama:


That means you're going to hell according to what you mean.

You and I will go to hell if we commit intentional sins. Stop deceiving yourself.

Committing intentional sin and expecting grace to abound is an abberation. "You can't be in sin that grace may abound" or has your pastor torn away that part from the Bible they read to you in your church?

Stop making excuses for sin. The Bible said "No sin befalls you other than that which is common to man. And God will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear, but will make a way so that you can overcome the temptation."

You will go to hell if you commit intentional sins.

content208:


You and I will go to hell if we commit intentional sins. Stop deceiving yourself.

Committing intentional sin and expecting grace to abound is an abberation. "You can't be in sin that grace may abound" or has your pastor torn away that part from the Bible they read to you in your church?

Stop making excuses for sin. The Bible said "No sin befalls you other than that which is common to man. And God will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear, but will make a way so that you can overcome the temptation."

You will go to hell if you commit intentional sins.

Bro, Jesus paid the full penalty for past, present and future sins. Whoever is born again is alive spiritually and belongs to God. The Bible says the Holy spirit is the seal (assurance) of our salvation, unless you believe God will take the holy spirit from you.
And for the Bible verse you quoted, God is not involved in sin neither does he tempt any man, we're all tempted by our own desires in the flesh

content208:


It isn't by work but by faith. You are called to believe in Christ. And believing in him is synonymous with doing his will. If you say you have faith and still commit intentional sins, you are only deceiving yourself. God is not mocked. You will reap what you sow. "To him that noeth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is a sin"

If you don't do his will and do iniquity, you will end up where the workers of iniquity end up. There is no two way to it.

You've brought works into it again. Salvation is a gift, God won't take it from you. And the verse about sowing and reaping refers to walking in the flesh and walking in the spirit. Those who are born of God do not walk according to the flesh

Why didn't some of the Israelites get to the promised land? It was simply because of unbelief. Abraham and other patriachs had their own failings but we're still counted as righteous before God in Hebrews.

content208:


You and I will go to hell if we commit intentional sins. Stop deceiving yourself.

Committing intentional sin and expecting grace to abound is an abberation. "You can't be in sin that grace may abound" or has your pastor torn away that part from the Bible they read to you in your church?

Stop making excuses for sin. The Bible said "No sin befalls you other than that which is common to man. And God will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear, but will make a way so that you can overcome the temptation."

You will go to hell if you commit intentional sins.

To answer the question of a Christian who willfully sins, such Christian will suffer the effects on Earth but will be saved. If you read some of the books written by Kenneth Hagin, he mentioned some pastors who died young because of disobedience but still made heaven

Harshirama:


To answer the question of a Christian who willfully sins, such Christian will suffer the effects on Earth but will be saved. If you read some of the books written by Kenneth Hagin, he mentioned some pastors who died young because of disobedience but still made heaven

So, Kenneth Hagin is now your Bible? Who are you following now? Kenneth Hagin or God? Gospel of Convenience or Gospel of Truth? Read Ezekiel 18:24.

A wise Christian will investigate each of the teachings from these pastors to find it if it agrees with the Gospel of Truth before you just swallow it. Have you learned anything from the people of Berea at all?!



Kenneth Hagin will not be there when you are suffering the consequences of your sins after this life. There is nothing like hyper-grace. Stop deceiving yourself because you still want to be enjoying sin.

You can't eat your cake and have it.

alBHAGDADI:


Why is it difficult for you to point out one Christian in the Bible that committed suicide? You know you can't cos it never happened. Yet, you expect me to start giving reality answers on assumptions. It's the same as saying what if God is satan. God is and can never be satan, so it will be stupid for me to start giving answers to your "what if".

Where are you even told that suicide, Fornication, murder etc are what actually sends people to hell fire? Look dude, what sends people to hell fire is the son of unbelief in Jesus. Those that believe in Jesus have their sins paid for by him. Those that don't believe in him get to pay for their own sins in hell fire.


John 3:18 (KJV)
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


According to the above verse, whether you live a life devoid of sin, which is impossible according to the Bible, you will still be condemned for your lack of believe in Jesus.

The verse also says that believe in Jesus frees you from any form of condemnation that comes with sin.

1 John 3:8: He who commits sin is of the devil.

If you have been saved before but go back into sin, the scriptures says your end is worse than your beginning.
Stop lying to yourself because you enjoy commiting sin.

content208:




So, Kenneth Hagin is now your Bible? Who are you following now? Kenneth Hagin or God? Gospel of Convenience or Gospel of Truth? Read Ezekiel 18:24.

A wise Christian will investigate each of the teachings from these pastors to find it if it agrees with the Gospel of Truth before you just swallow it. Have you learned anything from the people of Berea at all?!



Kenneth Hagin will not be there when you are suffering the consequences of your sins after this life. There is nothing like hyper-grace. Stop deceiving yourself because you still want to be enjoying sin.

You can't eat your cake and have it.

You're so obsessed with sin o, whenever this doctrine is mentioned, people always mention sin. Eternal salvation is mentioned severally in the new testament.

And when you heard the word of truth (the gospel of your salvation) – when you believed in Christ – you were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit,
Ephesians 1:13

So by your logic, God removes the holy spirit from a Christian if he should fall in sin, or what do you mean?

content208:


1 John 3:8: He who commits sin is of the devil.

If you have been saved before but go back into sin, the scriptures says your end is worse than your beginning.
Stop lying to yourself because you enjoy commiting sin.

Why are you taking eternal security as a license to sin? Don't you have the holy spirit?

For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace.
Romans 6:14

For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is your life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:3, 10

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him.
1 John 3:6

All unrighteousness is sin, but there is sin not resulting in death. We know that everyone fathered by God does not sin, but God protects the one he has fathered, and the evil one cannot touch him.
1 John 5:17-18

Harshirama:


You're so obsessed with sin o, whenever this doctrine is mentioned, people always mention sin. Eternal salvation is mentioned severally in the new testament.

And when you heard the word of truth (the gospel of your salvation) – when you believed in Christ – you were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit,
Ephesians 1:13

So by your logic, God removes the holy spirit from a Christian if he should fall in sin, or what do you mean?

Christianity is not by church membership; Christianity is a way of life. If your way of life opposes the scriptures, you are not a Christian; you are just a church member or a church goer.

Have you ever asked yourself why the scriptures said judgement would begin from the church?

You can't be in sin that grace may abound.

Do you know another meaning of Grace? It is the Spirit of God. If you are in sin, the Glory and Grace of God will leave you because the eyes of God cannot behold iniquity; that's what the scripture says.

content208:


Christianity is not by church membership; Christianity is a way of life. If your way of life opposes the scriptures, you are not a Christian; you are just a church member or a church goer.

Have you ever asked yourself why the scriptures said judgement would begin from the church?

You can't be in sin that grace may abound.

Do you know another meaning of Grace? It is the Spirit of God. If you are in sin, the Glory and Grace of God will leave you because the eyes of God cannot behold iniquity; that's what the scripture says.

So if you sin as a Christian now, the holy spirit will leave you and come back later?

content208:


Christianity is not by church membership; Christianity is a way of life. If your way of life opposes the scriptures, you are not a Christian; you are just a church member or a church goer.

Have you ever asked yourself why the scriptures said judgement would begin from the church?

You can't be in sin that grace may abound.

Do you know another meaning of Grace? It is the Spirit of God. If you are in sin, the Glory and Grace of God will leave you because the eyes of God cannot behold iniquity; that's what the scripture says.

Eternal security doesn't mean freedom to sin, so get the scriptures right. Only Christians who want to sin willfully think this is a license to sin. Once you know Jesus has paid the full price for our sins, you know sin has no power over you and you won't be motivated to move after the flesh. People mention obvious sins like adultery, stealing etc, and do not mention sins like disobedience to the holy spirit, not loving your fellow brethen, etc.

content208:


Christianity is not by church membership; Christianity is a way of life. If your way of life opposes the scriptures, you are not a Christian; you are just a church member or a church goer.

Have you ever asked yourself why the scriptures said judgement would begin from the church?

You can't be in sin that grace may abound.

Do you know another meaning of Grace? It is the Spirit of God. If you are in sin, the Glory and Grace of God will leave you because the eyes of God cannot behold iniquity; that's what the scripture says.

We'd be judged based on how far we fulfilled God's calling.

If what someone has built survives, he will receive a reward. If someone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:14-15

jesusjnr:
If there was anything as branches with God's DNA in them, then every single one of those branches in the Vine called Jesus should have had it and consequently borne fruits.

But it wasn't so because it took the bearing of fruits for God to know any branch in the Vine and for it to become His own. That's why it was only after any branch has borne fruit that God begins to purge it to enable it bear more fruits.

And that's the way of the Father that Jesus was trying to teach us in that saying which you quoted, for a tree is only known to God by the kind of fruit it bears, that's if He should cut it down and send it to the fire or save it.

Matthew 3:10 (KJV)

10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

So God's doesn't judge a tree by His own "DNA" (If such a thing ever existed) or if they are His people or anything else but by it's fruits. And this was what John the Baptist himself tried to point out, on this occasion to correct those with such a false notion:

Matthew 3:8-9 (KJV)

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

So this kind of erroneous gospel where people believe they can be saved by God without works/fruits didn't begin today, for it had long existed prior to the coming of Christ. It only just took on another shape or form in the church.

But just as Jesus showed of the end of those many annointed workers of iniquity (branches in Him) that didn't bear (good) fruits, God doesn't change His ways, for it is by their bearing (good) fruits that He knows them. And that is what determines if He saves or destroys them, not something else.

God bless.

Gods DNA is the Spirit of Sonship: the Holy Spirit by whom we are SEALED until the day of Redemption.

When does a christian loose His salvation?
is it
1. When he commits a sin OR
2. He dies in sin.
Don't forget that it is impossible to loose your salvation and regain it again.

A New CREATURE is indeed a New Creature. Old things haven passed away.
If a person was never renewed in the first place, He isn't saved no matter how holy he looks.

How precious is the Blood of Jesus if it can only save partially. As far as I know, that Thief on the cross was saved for doing not one single good work.

Eph2:8-9 makes it extremely clear
8. For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9. not by works, so that no one can boast

We are rewarded by our works but as per salvation, it is a gift.

The problem is that we have so many un-regenerated in the church who are ACTIVE in church, the SPEAK our church language, they DRESS like us and so we assume that they are Born Again because we went out for alter call at the same time.

Understand the parable of the Wheat, Tares and the Angels: why would the master not permit the servants to uproot the Tares immediately?

By their fruit, you'll know those who are saved but these weren't saved because the bore fruit. They were saved because it is their nature to bear fruit (these are wheat that bear fruit in 20s, 40s, 60s and 100s).

I know that I am saved:
My new nature prevents me from being comfortable with sin.
My new nature make me to hate every form of unrighteousness.
My new nature drives me to want to know more of Christ and to have more of Him.
I am not in any way afraid of loosing my salvation ( not one bit) just like I am not ever afraid that my earthly father will disown me.

I am worthy of my Fathers inheritance because I have His DNA.
My relationship with him make me life to make him happy ( I am not a stranger neither a hireling)

Harshirama:


Why are you taking eternal security as a license to sin? Don't you have the holy spirit?

For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace.
Romans 6:14

For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is your life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:3, 10

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him.
1 John 3:6

All unrighteousness is sin, but there is sin not resulting in death. We know that everyone fathered by God does not sin, but God protects the one he has fathered, and the evil one cannot touch him.
1 John 5:17-18

Are you saying I can go into armed robbery after I have confessed Jesus Christ as Lord?

Then if I want to commit sin, all I need to do is to first go and accept Jesus as Lord and then go and be enjoying sin. Is that the kind of Christianity you are practicing and propagating?

Most of the things you even wrote up there are speaking against your new-found idea about Christianity.

Harshirama:


Eternal security doesn't mean freedom to sin, so get the scriptures right. Only Christians who want to sin willfully think this is a license to sin. Once you know Jesus has paid the full price for our sins, you know sin has no power over you and you won't be motivated to move after the flesh. People mention obvious sins like adultery, stealing etc, and do not mention sins like disobedience to the holy spirit, not loving your fellow brethen, etc.

But according to you, eternal security mean freedom to sin. Why are you contradicting yourself?

Harshirama:


So if you sin as a Christian now, the holy spirit will leave you and come back later?

The Holy Spirit leaves your life if you commit willful sin. As a sinner, you have stained the Temple of God, which is your body. The Holy Spirit cannot reside in filth. This is why sinners are easy preys to satanic manipulation because they are weak and empty consequent of sins.
The eyes of God cannot behold iniquity.

Mftivi:
you way you said that pridefully like you are very sure a jot won't be found on your garment. Anyone I see that rejects Salvation is see as prideful person and surprise might await them. You are telling God he wasted his own time for sending Jesus to die for you that you can live right for your own justification. Your act do not justify you only your belief in the finished work of the cross. You are saved to work you don't work to be saved! You can't work to be saved, if humans could do that Jesus wouldn't have come to die for us.

Mr man if you understood what i wrote their you won't spew what you wrote, no one is talking about being perfect here but from what most of you are writing here it's clear you all are twisting the true gospel. No matter how you paint it God wants us to live a holy life, we can't claim to be saved and still wallow in abject sins without remorse, let's stop frustrating the grace of God in our lives. So, because we can't be justified by our own works we should keep sinning??, Godforbid
So because Jesus has paid for our sins on the cross we should keep sinning??, Godforbid

No one is claiming to have attained the height of perfection but we must strive to flee from anything that would hinder us from getting into eternal glory (sin). The one and only true Gospel is JESUS CHRIST and he wants us to emulate the way he lived here on earth before ascending to the father.

As Apostle Paul said " work out your own salvation with fear and trembling ", let's stop hinding under the mantra of "Grace and Christ paid it all" to keep sinning.

The bible clearly stated "God will judge each and everyone of us by our works be it good or bad"

content208:


Are you saying I can go into armed robbery after I have confessed Jesus Christ as Lord?

Then if I want to commit sin, all I need to do is to first go and accept Jesus as Lord and then go and be enjoying sin. Is that the kind of Christianity you are practicing and propagating?

Most of the things you even wrote up there are speaking against your new-found idea about Christianity.

Accept Jesus and go into armed robbery now, if that's what you want to do. Any Christian that uses this doctrine as a front to commit sin is foolish