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Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by LegendHero(m): 6:26pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
“The problem we have in Biafraland is that, the younger generation of our people who lack the true knowledge of history still refers to Zik as some human god whereas in reality, Zik was inspired by personal ambition according to Professor Chinue Achebe, in his book titled “THE TROUBLE WITH NIGERIA”. This is exactly my position about Zik. Out of all the three leaders (Awolowo, Balewa, and Azikwe), he is the one that is ruled by the most personal ambition with ethnic dominating mindset BUT he was able to hide under the banner of a nationalist to deceive everyone including his people. Anyway all mortal have tendencies to fail, we should all move on and forget about what happened among our past leaders. Although Kanu is also a mental case on his own but on this Zik issue and how it relates to the Igbos he is right! 3 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by T9ksy(m): 6:38pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
mrvitalis: Awo did not betray ibos as his primary objectives were to protect the interests of the yorubas. Awo owes ibos sweet Phock all 3 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by valarmorghulis: 7:26pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
T9ksy: Igbo people too greedy, ojukwu should have remained in Igbo territory but he wants to capture Lagos and he expect awo to sit and watch his people die like chicken. 3 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by T9ksy(m): 7:36pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
valarmorghulis: What his father zik couldn't accomplish through the ballot box Ojukwu thought he could through armed warfare. He failed woefully. I guess that's what they meant by " Awo betrayed us". 6 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Nobody: 8:21pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
Magicians:Hungry people are angry, I know that's why you are angry. You should relax your anger and look for something better please. Most of you are so bitter to the extent that you ty to spread it across to others. I don't do e-battles, please look for someone like you. 2 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Nobody: 8:24pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
mrvitalis:Never! He is simply trying to protect his people from my point of understanding. What I meant was that the igbos should blame Zik instead of Awo because he was the real betrayer. 1 Like |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Area4Area: 9:29pm On Nov 26, 2019 |
IPOBians won't like this and especially when it puts one of their own in bad light, worst of it is when it's coming from Kanu and IPOB. If it were a Yoruba or Hausa man that said this, this thread would've gotten to the 20th page by now. 5 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 6:07am On Nov 27, 2019 |
Magicians:All I can see in your post is curse, curse, curse. The shows your state of mind. My message is clear to everyone. Do you want to know who Igbos hate? I'll tell you. Buhari is a typical example. We can see him for who he truly is. Did we hide it? Immediately he got into the office, what did he say? 97% and 5%. Has he not done everything to live up to that decision of his? That he's continuing the Second Niger Bridge or constructing roads mean nothing. You guys can never make us clap for a job that should be done for the benefit of all as though it was meant exclusively for all. We see beyond your gimmicks. Buhari has been a total failure as Nigeria's present economy has shown. We rejecting him was based on both hindsight and foresight. Have we not been vindicated? It's only in Nigeria that those who fought and bled for independence were never given the honour of leading the country in the capacity of President to enable them layout what fire the motivation for that independence. Why was Zik denied the position? Why was Awo denied the same position? They were made to watch from the sideline. I can confidently say that they both died unfulfilled. I repeat: Igbos don't hate Yorubas, if we do, it will be evident to all. There are many instances to point as a confirmation to my assertion. The general belief among us is that Yorubas betrayed us. Majority of Yorubas who fought on the Nigerian side acted as though they were fighting with a mortal enemy. Was it Ibrahim Taiwo or Benjamin Adekunle? What about the infamous Awolowo? Igbos and Yorubas never had any score to settle as at that time. I still continue to wonder and shudder at the manner of response most Yorubas have about Biafra. Biafra was like Noah's ark during the flood. Nigerian government couldn't protect her own citizens from slaughter in broad daylight. What other options did the Igbos and other Easterners have that time? If the same situation presents itself again, another Biafra will be declared but this time with the support of a world power to guarantee the continuous supply of weapons and other logistics. This is when Nigeria will beg for peace. |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 6:20am On Nov 27, 2019 |
valarmorghulis:Wrong and wrong. If Ojukwu wanted to attack Yorubas(Lagos), would he have made a Yoruba man- Banjo, the commander of that battalion? No. A Yoruba man led that expedition towards Lagos and the aim was to drive the northern soldiers out of Lagos and expectedly the whole western Nigeria. Awolowo initially complained to Ojukwu about how northern soldiers dominated his region. Read history books again. Igbos had no problems with the Yorubas up to the time of that expedition. |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 6:32am On Nov 27, 2019 |
Magicians:Why are you so enraged by him sharing his experience? Why insult his father for airing his opinion? Why so much hatred for Biafra when they neither seek you, your people, property or land? Why? Why?? Why |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by tricksters: 7:13am On Nov 27, 2019 |
Are we talking experience of lies or in lies or ypi think every will chose to be quiet while you continue selling you bigoted lies on NL. If he never involved his father in his lies o won't have cause to include him. Lying n backing up your lies with your father will earn you nothing but appropriate ass whooping. Biafra can go from hell to hellfire for all I care. Yujin: |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 2:11pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
tricksters:I wanted to reply this message with barrage of points but when I saw your moniker, it dawned on me that it will be a waste of time. As a man thinks, so he is 'tricksters'. |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by googi: 4:30pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
Zik, a man who brought Igbo into prominence in Nigeria is now under attack. But look at where it is coming from. Ojukwu that Zik held in his hands as a baby failed to diminish him in Africa and at world stage. It is this ignoramus that will do it. Ah IGBO, you fall my hand no be small |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by T9ksy(m): 6:03pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
googi: Ojukwu never forgave the owelle of Onitsha for stopping him from killing his father- Ojukwu snr. |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Basic123: 8:23pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
kingkakaone:An Igbo man problem is always caused by someone else 2 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Nobody: 8:36pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
Basic123:For this one I will say Zik is the biggest betrayer. |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Basic123: 8:39pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
kingkakaone:they will never call him back one But call Awolowo out(Remember that Awolowo and osinbajo his in law are Yoruba Christians ooo) Before that hypocritical of a tribe will start crying that Yoruba Muslims are there problem. Disgusting people 3 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Chemcrown: 8:48pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
Yujin: I don't think a sensible person will go against biafrans leaving this SEEMINGLY hopeless country but you cannot leave by unleashing a lot of hatred on other tribes. Truly, a call to leave the country is NEVER a call for war but when lace with hate speeches will make it tantamount to a call for FIGHT. everybody is fed up with the country but that is not an avenue to be throwing stones at others. Thanks bro |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Chemcrown: 9:04pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
Yujin: Oga you funny die ooooo 1 Like |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Olugbanko: 9:21pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
What's the fuss all about? Why crucify the dead for stating the obvious? Cownu be warned! |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 10:11pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
Chemcrown:Pls, care to explain why you think my post is funny? |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by LegendHero(m): 10:32pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
Yujin: What sort of rubbish statement is this for God sake? Do you think you are speaking to Nnamdi Kanu disciples online ? Awolowo complained to Ojukwu in which of the history books? Even the albino Kanu will be ashamed of you because you’ve bested him in propaganda. Even devil will be scared of your lies! 1 Like |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 10:42pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
LegendHero:You claimed to have access to virtually all information regarding Nigerian history especially at that critical time. Do you mind if I ask you to post the transcript of the discussion between Ojukwu and Awolowo shortly before the war started? All soldiers were requested to return to their respective regions of origin. Did those from the north vacate the western region? Wasn't it a cause for concern to Awolowo? Didn't he tell that to Ojukwu? |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by LegendHero(m): 10:51pm On Nov 27, 2019 |
Yujin: What you are doing is akin to running against time. Why should the soldiers of Northern origin vacate the western region? What time range do you think the order to vacate each region emanate and do you even know the meaning of that? With lagos as the seat of the federal government, why do you think there is a need for all soldier of northern origin to leave the western region when it houses the FG seat of power and the Yoruba ain’t complaining or involved in the initial pogrom . Also, think about it. If Col. Banjo was able to advance successfully pass Ore, do you think there won’t be casualties on the Yoruba side? Don’t you think the Biafran soldiers will kill a lot of civilian before getting to Lagos from Ore as you claimed? Or you think the Biafran soldiers will be distributing biscuits and salad on their way to Lagos? @the bolded, Stop listening to Kanu’s propaganda and try to at least put words to reason first before saying it. Also, I will try to check if I can see anything of such in the archives. That’s if such exists! 2 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Omoodua007: 1:06am On Nov 28, 2019 |
LegendHero: You should know by now igbos need to ever my excuse in the books not to take responsibility for the calamity of what hit them it was first Gowon released awolowo now it’s awolowo complained to ojuku despite their own leaders saying Gowon released awolowo 2 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Omoodua007: 1:07am On Nov 28, 2019 |
LegendHero: Follow radio Biafra and you will see the source of the fake news 1 Like |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 5:07am On Nov 28, 2019 |
LegendHero:Why will Biafran soldiers kill civilians on their way to the sit of power? We're Biafran soldiers that insensitive? Is Banjo not there with them till the end? Check your history again. If nothing of such exits, then I'll apologize to you. On another note, the coup that killed Ironsi; was it a Nigerian coup or a northern coup? If it was a Nigerian coup, why wasn't Ogundipe made to take the mantle of leadership since he was the next most senior military officer? Were Yoruba soldiers part of the so called 'counter coup' or was it a pure northern affair? |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by LegendHero(m): 5:18am On Nov 28, 2019 |
Yujin: Civilians are the major casualty of war in any terrain. You have to visualize this like a reality, if the Biafran forces are advancing, they will be met with stiff force from the federal troops and there will be crossfire. If the Biafrans suceed, they will need to establish their command base in the cities they pass through and soldiers are not always friendly in war time with their enemies especially when the Biafran military will be wary of the Yoruba civilian not to sell them out. Also, stop mentioning Col. Banjo in your example, he is just Yoruba by name. His allegiance is to the flag of Biafra and he won't hesitate to kill his fellow Yorubas if they stand in his way. Even if he is reluctant to kill the Yorubas what about the rest of his Biafran armies? They can even kill him if he hesitate or you don't think the biafran soldiers they can mutineer against him ? The counter coup was a majorly northern affair and it was mainly because of the revenge against the Igbos in the first coup. Nigeria problem is that we have no real historical happenings of event during the war and a lot of people wrote books based on lies to project themselves like a hero. This thread shows Yakubu Gowon released Awolowo but we all say Ojukwu lying in a video interview he gave sometime ago that he released Awolowo. That is an example of lies that distorted history. https://www.nairaland.com/5553170/re-more-absolutely-convincing-evidence#84429418 |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 6:08am On Nov 28, 2019 |
LegendHero:You see neither you or I were there when these events unfolded; all we write here is based on the inferences from what we read from authors who either were active participants, very close persons to the original actors or historians. We can be 100% certain in some grey areas especially those that weren't covered in video or radio transcript. My argument here is as regards the treatment against my people particularly my generation for events that we hardly know about. This happens everywhere and failure to address will see everyone suffering the consequence. If it was a majorly a northern affair, you should then see why Ojukwu was adamant in not accepting the rulership of Gowon. Fajuyi- the military administrator of the West was killed, no one asked questions about it. Ogundipe the highest military officer in the Nigerian army was disregarded; no one queried about it. If Ojukwu was to just throw in the towel at that time, it means Southern Nigeria was a territory filled with weaklings. He tried to see to a peaceful resolution of the tension by ensuring a round table discussion was held with international witnesses around at Aburi. This was equally a rare opportunity for both the West and MidWest region to neutralize the impending domination coming. There everyone was free to speak and records were taken. Agreements were made and compromises accepted. Why wasn't it implemented after they all returned to Nigeria? Ojukwu tried his best. As for Nigeria having no real history available for the younger generation to learn from; who's to blame? If truly the victors narrative is the gospel truth, why don't they teach it in schools? Why did they stop history classes in schools?You see, not everything my own person tells me I wholly believe. I reason over things for myself and infer my own conclusions. I don't have to agree with everything a man says simply because I share the same group or nation with him. This is me personally. The East was and is still being treated badly; this is my grouse with Nigeria and anything within my reach to do to assuage the situation at home will be explored. Finally, what I noticed is that most Yorubas think Biafra is all about conquest and as such fear we might invade them. I can't seem to understand such a reasoning. A people who were massacred and are struggling to defend themselves don't go up invading another territory altogether. That's suicidal. This was why Ojukwu chose Banjo for the task. If Biafran forces were able to dislodge the northern soldiers from Ore and say Ijebu Ode, Banjo could easily convince lots of Yoruba youths to form a resistance against the remaining northern soldiers and as such flush them away from the whole West and effectively, all of southern Nigeria. That was the plan. Unfortunately, I guess it was misunderstood. The rest is now history and Nigeria being in the wrong hands have placed us where we are today. NB: Going to your new thread now |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by LegendHero(m): 6:17am On Nov 28, 2019 |
Yujin: I understood where you’re coming from and you sure have a point. Ojukwu had no other choice than to declare that war due to the killings of the Igbos in the North. Initially Ojukwu first told the Igbos to remain in the north even after the first killings took place coz he thought they will resolve it at first but he had to call them to leave the North after the northerners killed more people in the second and third massacre. But left the me, the war could be avoided. He (Ojukwu) was too haste in decision making, he ought to have prepared well before the war especially in the aspect of forming alliance. Awolowo hated the North initially coz they were part of the people that put him in prison and the resentment for the north in the western region among the people is more pronounced. But Ironsi was not calculative, had it been he released Awolowo, he would have amassed the alliance of the Yorubas with the Igbos. Gowon releasing Awolowo was the best decision ever to be made in Nigeria coz not only did he pacify the Yorubas, he employed the brain of Awolowo who proved more important in winning the Biafra war that later ensued. Awolowo is a brain machine, having him as your enemy during that war might be the worst decision ever and even the western press re-echoed that thought multiple times. 3 Likes |
Re: "Nnamdi Azikiwe Once Called Igbo ‘rebels,’ Started Problems We Are Suffering" by Yujin(m): 12:24pm On Nov 28, 2019 |
LegendHero:I've to agree with you on the brain prowess of Awolowo. No doubt he had it even Ojukwu knew it. Ojukwu never intended to make enemies from the West hence I insisted on refusing that the push towards Lagos was meant to annex Yorubaland. That would be foolish and suicidal. Did you manage to get the transcript of Ojukwu-Awolowo meeting shortly before the war? I can still remember where Ojukwu said this to Awo in Yoruba language. 'Baba, ati n ló tiwa'- it was on a friendly note. Pls, do post the transcript here if you have it. Now, I have to disagree with you that Ojukwu declared war on Nigeria. Show me expressly in any book where Ojukwu was said to declare war on Nigeria. He after been mandated by the Eastern assembly declared Biafra immediately Gowon violated one of the core agreements they had at Aburi. That point was that no decision binding on the federation would be effected without the agreements of the respective military administrators of all the regions. Gowon unilaterally created states breaking the Eastern region into three states without any agreement at the SMC. That was an affront and we could see his intent. In a bid to nullify the effect of the state creation, Ojukwu declared Biafra as mandated by the Eastern assembly. Gowon and whosoever shared his ambition declared war on Eastern Nigeria (Biafra). Can you disprove me on this? Personally, I feel Awolowo saw an opportunity to hit Zik back after Zik gave his blessings for the creation of the Midwest region earlier in 1963 after a plesbicite. This move of breaking the East at that critical time was a point of no return. It is akin to what the former governor of Oyo did to the Olubadan when he created new kingship stools to spite him or what Ganduje did to Sanusi when he broke Kano emirates all in the bid to whittle Sanusi's influence and power. You see no one will take it lightly at such a critical time. As for Ojukwu going to war without full preparation, I will blame him though I understand he was running out of time. He shouldn't have made that huge mistake having intelligently predicted most of the moves of the fulani led Nigerian government. He should have known better to see that the British never liked the East. It was an improper preparation like you rightly said which clearly showed that Ojukwu never intended to fight a war. Again, I feel he was banking on the religious affiliation with the Europeans (West) to assist the East. The rest is history. Finally, a war aimed at unification is never fought like Nigeria did to Biafra. Using starvation and whole wiping out of communities? Do you see how senseless the present Boko haram madness is being handled by the present government? They're treated as erring family members but all manner of debasement was unleashed on the East. Do you see how billions have been allocated for the NE commission while nothing was earmarked for the East? The injustice of Nigeria against the East is sickening. |
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