dominique:
This is not even up to a tenth of what doctors go through in the hands of patients yet these patients are quick to rush to social media to paint colourful stories about how terrible Nigerian doctors are. They will say doctors should treat before collecting payment, do the doctors get their hospital supplies on credit? Don't they have bills and salaries to pay? Dont they have lives so live or will a doctor go to market with "I'll come back later to pay" in his pocket? My dad's late doctor cousin died in poverty because of his good nature of letting patients go without completing payment, some don't even pay at all. Soon word got out on the street about the nice doctor who treats before collecting payment and in most cases he discharges them after small begging, trust our Nigerian people to take advantage of it. In the end, his clinic suffered for it. Staff quit their jobs after they were owed countless salaries, the clinic eventually shut down. He slumped and died not too long after.

I will never blame any hospital for insisting on payment before treatment especially the private ones. Nigerians are experts at ruining people's businesses with debts.

The worst are the so called pastors or prophets. These people have shown me pepper in my centre. Now if u come with your ' I am a man if God' rush, I will send u away to a 3° centre

SmartyPants:
Medical insurance will solve all this.

We have that already but it is not effective (NHIS)

Nigeria hospitals are not charity organisation. No matter how broke you are, you can never walk into a bank and ask for free money. Most people don't want to pay hospitals for services rendered. They'll promise to pay when the problem is holding them on the jugular and try to abscond the next moment it is fixed. I do not blame hospitals that refuse treatment until payment, I only wish there is a way to ensure the patient is covered (a sort of insurance that will pay the hospital) for the basic first aid and nothing more until payment is done.

Every worker deserves their wages, and so it shouldn't be any different with the hospitals. What I don't really like is the turning away of patients, by our Federal Medical Centers, for lack of bed space, the government should ensure that this rarely happens.

Bad. But what culture do Nigerians have that there is no trust and wickedness

Dr Musa say e nor go do again. Jetting out to Venezuela.

Last last given half a chance most people Na scam for 9ja.

In particular poverty affects people's moral fibre badly. They feel they deserve to benefit from those who they believe are better off.

It's the same fundamental thinking of armed robbers, kidnappers, etc. They only just manifest at different levels of wickedness.

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Basic123:
Doctor-you need to be admitted

patient-I don't want admission


few weeks later


patient rushed in with complications

doctor-You need to be referred to UCH now, unfortunately the condition cannot be treated here.

Patient later died at UCH


Patient relatives-UCH doctors killed my family members

Exactly..
Maybe after taking herbs or visiting prayer house and they will want the super hero doctor to now perform magic of resurrection..

midnighter:
In addition to all that, sometimes the insurance companies don't remit the money owed to the hospital and the doctor goes hungry

You can show up for treatment and they will turn you away citing payment disputes with your provider

Sometimes the doctor will confide in you that he hasn't been payed for months. O di mwute...

Hey! How are you?

Sterope:
Did a Nigerian doctor snatched your one and only true love?

My comment was purely for those who can relate to the grave incompetency not those who can't even afford basic healthcare

Emmaxy9:


I still don't get your point. You say Nigerian doctors do misdiagnose or apply wrong treatments causing death, but do you think everyone is perfect.I would like to see you study medicine and treat everyone perfect without taking a life during your career.
Another funny thing you said is that Nigerian doctors have empty nut heads. Please I'm begging you, there's no age limit in which one can be a doctor, you can enroll in a medical school and study it for yourself, thats only if you make it to the admission list.

For your information, doctors spend 6 years in medical school. They begin to read Anatomy, Physiology and Biochemistry which are all individual courses on their own under a duration of 1 and half years, after which they write their professional exams. More than half of the class fail out, while the good ones remain. Mind you its only the best of secondary schools that get to study Medicine.
Thats not the end. They keep on writing professional exams until graduation.can you do that?

I'm not saying all doctors are geniuses that cant make mistakes. All I'm saying is that it's not easy, so don't come here to showcase your senselessness.

Your first point is rubbish! Taking about me studying medicine and crap! Doctors are not running charity, they're paid for their jobs. So your point is baseless.

Your other vociferations validate my point. Nigerian doctors are a bunch of vain and senile peeps who are only interested in the prestige their job affords them, the supposed respect they get from poor people who see them as demi gods, rather than getting their jobs done. They only want to rant about how many years they spent in school, how intelligent they think they are but can't even perform basic diagnosis.

Your lots are sending people to their Early grave. Only God knows how many souls you've killed due to gross incompetence and negligence.

Nonsense!

helpee:
You really don't understand. The major problem is always money. You need to do CT scan of 45k to properly diagnose a patient they tell you no money. You do your best to stabilise the patient without the test, they will say the treatment was sub standard and the hospital has no equipment. You refer them they will say you rejected them. You use your money and maybe the patient couldn't make it, they won't pay a dime and still fights you. In advanced economies, money is not a problem for the doctor. He needs CT scan he gets it done. He needs surgery he gets it done . So money is the main issue since the doctor is not getting funding in any other place....

NB...and do you by any chance assume this money we are talking about is the profit of the doctor? Oh no. It is essentially to get the patient well. If you have to do what an average doctor does in America to diagnose a stroke, you will spend at least one million. The doctor abroad don't care about this since someone is paying for it. This patient comes in the middle of the night in Nigeria without any money claiming no ATM and somehow expects a magic. The doctor refers...they will say he didn't do first aid. He rejected them.because of money. Do your best with what you have, they won't pay a dime by the morning. They will just say their uncle said they should bring the patient to the village.

While you heap blames on the patient, remember not to absolve the society and environment that made it hard for him to access affordable, safe and effective health care.

Advanced economies that you mentioned would have some healthcare insurances for their citizens. In the Uk which I think has the best healthcare system in the world, every citizen is registered with a general practitioner meaning that everybody irrespective of your economic or social class would have a doctor and access to healthcare.
I know someone with a genetic abnormality who would’ve had it very rough were this individual to be in Nigeria but instead receives the best medical care possible without paying for it.

Blame the system and structure in place that robs people of adequate medical care.

How much is the average civil servant getting a month to afford a CT scan?

HBB1:



I have actually spoken with Foreign Nationals, who have worked with Nigerians (Doctors) abroad, and I must say they are highly rated.

One Doctor says, she has never worked with any Naija Doctor that didn't know his stuff.
He might not know how some 'equipments' work ( and you know how everything is now tech based in the West), but he knows the stuff.

Another (a Brit) asked a Naija guy in my presence, ' they must really train you guys well back home?'
The guy asks if they didn't train her well in her obodo oyibo, then she rolls her eyes and scoffs.
We joked about it later that Naija boys don kee this one with stuff.

Sad thing about healthcare is people will die, it is inevitable.

I laugh when people say, 'I will just travel out and see a Doctor!'
I come from a family of Doctors and I know the number of people that have died due to all sorts of avoidable events in the West-- it is only the informed that will know.

That said, they try to create systems (constantly) to grossly reduce such events.

If it were perfect there, why do you have hundred of thousands of litigations every year in the US?

Some US surgeon pays as much as 20% of their income as 'litigation' insurance.
Truth is every man is a product of his system-- you can never do better than the system you are in.

I spoke with a foremost British-Nigerian Surgeon and he surmised his expertise was based on equipment and exposure, nothing more.

There is no Genius, one-man army anywhere, your system molds you.

How many professionals here, can hold their own against professionals from the West?

How many?

If you can't, then you are no better!

This is a valid submission. While I did admit in my first post, that outside the shores of Nigeria, Nigerian doctors perform the truth is back home, they see themselves as demi gods.

There are simple diagnosis that doesn't even require out of the world equipments that your Nigerian doctors back home, cannot perform. They only want to be called doctors and seen as Albert Einsteins.

philip0906:
Nonsense!

Nigerian doctors are an incompetent lot. Outside the country, they excel because they have no options than to perform. But here in Nigeria, they think they're demi gods because they spent 7 years at the uni.

Sadly, they cause thousands of deaths yearly due to their incompetency and lackluster attitude.

Dude doctors are valued everywhere. Almost like gods in a place like India. Doctors of both genders are premium spouse materials in India. A society that values status.

They perform abroad because working conditions are quite decent. Pay is not too bad either.

Nigeria is a disorganised society so lots of things are upside down. Including people's mentality. You will only know if you have seen both sides.

If you are in a system that works you automatically become part of it. Simple.

AreaFada2:

Dude doctors are valued everywhere. Almost like gods in a place like India. Doctors of both genders are premium spouse materials in India. A society that values status.

They perform abroad because working conditions are quite decent. Pay is not too bad either.

Nigeria is a disorganised society so lots of things are upside down. Including people's mentality. You will only know if you have seen both sides.

If you are in a system that works you automatically become part of it. Simple.

I don't have any problem with that. Since they work in a senile and incompetent environment, they should be seen as incompetent dolts!

Some people are heartless. How could they abscond from their after service, especially in a service of human life.

Niggerians are useless generally but that is not an excuse to kill people. If the condition of the work no do you leave the job. UK and Canada are looking for you

philip0906:

Complete bullocks!

You people think it is everybody in Nigeria that is poor. Some of us can pay for quality healthcare, some of us have comprehensive healthcare packages from our work place...but you know what, we'll pass on that.

The news is littered daily with gross incompetence from Nigerian doctors who have either misdiagnosed or applied wrong treatment regimen in patients leading to deaths and all. Thousands of Nigerians loose their lives yearly to doctors gross incompetence.

The Nigerian doctor is an empty nut head who is more interested in the prestige his Dr tittle accords him/her than getting the job done the right way.

You think your president, lawmakers and wealthy Nigerians who go outside the country for proper healthcare are silly? I won't even go near Nigerian doctors for a simple diagnosis... Incompetent lots

This gross generalization is very unfair.
Maybe you lost a loved one to misconduct by a doctor but that's just one doctor.
There's still some good highly competent doctors who still give as much as they can.

And sometimes the Nigerians who travel across the pond and beyond still get treated by Nigerian doctors who've migrated overseas.

If thousands of Nigerians die due to negligence of doctors, Millions are saved by the actions of doctors.

KosiGee:


While you heap blames on the patient, remember not to absolve the society and environment that made it hard for him to access affordable, safe and effective health care.

Advanced economies that you mentioned would have some healthcare insurances for their citizens. In the Uk which I think has the best healthcare system in the world, every citizen is registered with a general practitioner meaning that everybody irrespective of your economic or social class would have a doctor and access to healthcare.
I know someone with a genetic abnormality who would’ve had it very rough were this individual to be in Nigeria but instead receives the best medical care possible without paying for it.

Blame the system and structure in place that robs people of adequate medical care.

How much is the average civil servant getting a month to afford a CT scan?

Cost of admission daily in the NHS is about 800 pounds ( it was 600-800 pounds some years back).

If you call for an ambulance, 800 pounds...
A friend had to pay for an MRI once (since his NHS hospital's own was down)-- 950 pounds!

The State pays for all this!

The doctor doesn't have to rack his brain on what tests to do or not do ( because of his cheap patients).
You can do MRIs, HRCTs, CTPAs (basic things in oyibo land)-- not just malaria and typhoid!

People won't even pay for a bloody CRP in Nigeria, so the Doctor continues treating malaria and typhoid for someone whose kidneys are fried-- in Kidney failure.

If you are prosecuting a war, you don't mind your ammunitions, you fire away-- imagine being a soldier at the war front and counting your bullets.
Will you fight like the American Marine?

Even though I can't excuse the crass incompetence of the bad eggs, the good Nigerian Doctors and a significant number of them are decent, are counting their bullets.

What do the nationals then expect?
Miracles?

You expect Oyinbo standard at Surulere rates?

philip0906:

I don't have any problem with that. Since they work in a senile and incompetent environment, they should be seen as incompetent dolts!

You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is doctors save lives and reduce much suffering daily. If they had better amenities in Nigeria they would save even more lives and reduce more suffering. My two cents.

Squillaci:

Nonsense logic.
Who told you the best study medicine? Do you know mind numbing the biological sciences are? The "real best" enter fields like physics and mathematics where they can make real contributions to the human society, not medicine. In Russia, medicine is seen as an unintellectual course comparable to the hand crafts, the reason most russia doctors are female.
What you should say that only the best M&S applicants end up studying medicine.
I can't imagine the likes of laplace or stephen hawking attempting to study Medicine and surgery. Na all those mkpobiriti students for my class that year na im put medicine as first choice. Students wey no sabi anything but good get good studying techniques.

Why does the sentence;
"Only the best study medicine" trigger you??

Wouldn't you want the brighest minds to study medicine and handle human life which is one of the most fragile things??

You want "dullards" to study it so you can keep perpetuating the narrative that doctors are dullards?

What grave incompetence? Where is your research on that incompetence?

You have been acting like everyone hasn't got a story to tell too. Unlike you, many of us also understand that the fault also lies with our government and with us.

philip0906:

My comment was purely for those who can relate to the grave incompetency not those who can't even afford basic healthcare

Sterope:
What grave incompetence? Where is your research on that incompetence?

You have been acting like everyone hasn't got a story to tell too. Unlike you, many of us also understand that the fault also lies with our government and with us.

You're asking me for research on incompetence from Nigerian doctors when you could have simply done the research yourself? even a simple google search will help you.

It's not about having a story, it's about the fact that Nigerian doctors think we all should bow and kiss their feet's even though they don't seem to know their jobs.

Yonce:



Why does the sentence;
"Only the best study medicine" trigger you??

Wouldn't you want the brighest minds to study medicine and handle human life which is one of the most fragile things??

You want "dullards" to study it so you can keep perpetuating the narrative that doctors are dullards?

Because I know many morons doing well as doctors today.
Actually we need the best brains in the sciences in order to move humanity forward. Not medicine.
And then the above average in medicine, law, psychology and other junk professions.
The bright ones would figure out early in life that they can't have much impact as doctors, and would aspire for the more exotic professions.

All I see here are doctors complaining about money money and money. Is that their priority? I thought their priority is to save lives.
Useless people. My wife lost her office boss yesterday because of their incompetence... in this case u can't say it's a money issue because the money dey well well even to fly him out of the country but the useless doctors refused to allow his family transfer him to another hospital claiming that they can handle it and now he's dead because of their incompetence.
....and here they are talking about patients that didn't pay as if that's the only encounter they have with their patients in their hospitals. Nonsense!!

Were you not the one hammering on incompetence? Everyone has a story to tell, this year alone, I have got two for you so I don't need a Google research to know all about the incompetence you speak of.

Congratulations! You have just described the attitude of most public servants in Nigeria.

philip0906:

You're asking me for research on incompetence from Nigerian doctors when you could have simply done the research yourself? even a simple google search will help you.

It's not about having a story, it's about the fact that Nigerian doctors think we all should bow and kiss their feet's even though they don't seem to know their jobs.

sgtponzihater1:


This statement is though may sound boastful is actually true. Many years ago we had a whole bunch of friends, we all read together, and aspired to Study Medicine.

I had a friend who missed the cut off then by just a mark, and was automatically given biochemistry, other were given courses that were less popular like zoology, and plant science, and another nursing, as port Harcourt had just started Nursing. A very lucky friend had chosen Dentistry as second choice, and got Dentistry, despite scoring lower than the dude who found himself in Biochemistry.

Save the dude who studied Dentistry, that goes about telling everyone that he is a Medical Doctor rather than a Dentist, and even does telephone prescriptions more than a GP, the others are chronic Doctor haters. The Nurse is an activist now, and using most of his time tearing Doctors apart, while the others insult Doctors efforts. Funny enough all these once choose MBBS as their choice but weren't smart enough to merit it.

What exactly is your point?

Society functions smoothly via the synergy of all professions.

I think it is dumb trying to justify the senseless uppity of some misguided Nigerian doctors by asserting that they should throw propriety and decorum to the winds because, according to you, there were better than their peers in high school.

This attitude of yours is among the reasons Nigerians beat local doctors with stiff rods.

philip0906:

Complete bullocks!

You people think it is everybody in Nigeria that is poor. Some of us can pay for quality healthcare, some of us have comprehensive healthcare packages from our work place...but you know what, we'll pass on that.

The news is littered daily with gross incompetence from Nigerian doctors who have either misdiagnosed or applied wrong treatment regimen in patients leading to deaths and all. Thousands of Nigerians loose their lives yearly to doctors gross incompetence.

The Nigerian doctor is an empty nut head who is more interested in the prestige his Dr tittle accords him/her than getting the job done the right way.

You think your president, lawmakers and wealthy Nigerians who go outside the country for proper healthcare are silly? I won't even go near Nigerian doctors for a simple diagnosis... Incompetent lots

Woah... You amaze me with your post. Being educated doesn't means having sense Sha.

It's well with our Doctors.

Pearl543:




[s]Woah... You amaze me with your post. Being educated doesn't means having sense Sha.

It's well with our Doctors.[/s]

Rubbish! Hopefully, you don't loose your life to a senseless Nigerian doctor!

Without reading everything here, people must realize that doctors are people too and they do bleed. I have been hard on physicians especially the new ones bragging about checking out of the country.

But please without their slave labor of long hours, no hospital in this world would run smoothly.

It is news when man bites dog but not when dog bites man. Doctors have their own frustration with patients too that are not funny especially in Nigeria where relatives and friends expect free treatment not to mention fraudster.

Do you know that in United States, the richest country in the world, people die daily for lack of health care and choice.

Even when Obamacare gives money to the states to cover more people and expand Medicare, some State governors refused to take it knowing that some people will die.

One of the most frustrating thing for Canadian doctors and nurses relocating back to Canada from US is when they watch patients die base on choice of treatment or medication.

So, some Nigerian medical doctors make a choice between starving their families to death or no payment no treatment.

AreaFada2:

You are entitled to your opinion. Fact is doctors save lives and reduce much suffering daily. If they had better amenities in Nigeria they would save even more lives and reduce more suffering. My two cents.

Granted that the guy went overboard, but the incontestable truth remains that some Nigerian doctors need re-orientation.

Medical practice is intrinsically humanitarian else the Hippocratic sworn by doctors will be a spectacle of nullity.

Nobody is saying people should get medical service f.o.c but then moderation should be the way to go.

Go to some government hospitals and see some doctors fiddling with their smart phones and wasting their time on frivolities when they should use their spare time to update themselves on mordern trends in their profession.

It is not every time we should be sounding politically correct...