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achorladey:
the emoji attached says it all. Loooooool!

Maximus69:
Thanks Tatime!

Achorladey claims he believe in the God who has never accepted two forms of worship at the same time.
But he detests the IDEA!

rottennaija:
Would Jehovah accept the worship of Him and Jesus at the same time?

Maximus69:
I thought you've been with Jehovah's Witnesses, how come you're asking such a question from those who believe that Jesus is NOT to be worshipped?

rottennaija:
So why shouldn't Jesus be worship? Isn't he a God? Are Gods not to be worshipped?

Besides, I'm asking, would your God accept the worship of Jesus and Himself?

Maximus69:
My friend go back and humble yourself before God's servants, let them lay their hands on you and pray for you.

You're fast running mad!

Just listen to yourself, when God conferred the same title on Moses, did God say Moses should be worshipped?

rottennaija:
Hahaha
Besides, you are not qualified to decide my sanity.

First of all, Moses was told he is made like a God to pharaoh. Emphasis on like. He was God, but was like. A big difference.

So why shouldn't Jesus be worship? Isn't he a God? Are Gods not to be worshipped?

Besides, I'm asking, would your God accept the worship of Jesus and Himself?

Maximus69:
Jesus was also made LIKE a God so there was no difference except that Jesus was a spirit person (angel).

Jesus himself said the first and greatest rule for all servants of God to bear in mind is "listen oh Israel, Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah" Mark 12:29

So our own Jehovah will not approve of any other God beside him! Isaiah 43:12

rottennaija:
But you have not given any scriptural proff Jesus was also made LIKE a God, do you?

Maximus69:
Moses said Jesus is going to be a prophet LIKE him and Peter confirmed it, so Jesus was a God LIKE Moses! Deuteronomy 18:15-18, Act 3:22

A God is a God, Moses WAS a God just as Jesus WAS a God! John 1:1

rottennaija:
Jesus was a man just like Maximus69. Does that make Maximus69 a God? To force the conclusion that because Maximus69 is a man just like Jesus would make Maximus69 a God is called a false equivalent

Two things sharing a similar attribute does not make them same or equal. In the case of moses, he was going to be like a God, not a God.

So where is just referred to as like a God?

rottennaija:
Hahaha
Besides, you are not qualified to decide my sanity.

First of all, Moses was told he is made like a God to pharaoh. Emphasis on like. He was God, but was like. A big difference.

So why shouldn't Jesus be worship? Isn't he a God? Are Gods not to be worshipped?

Besides, I'm asking, would your God accept the worship of Jesus and Himself?

CAPTIVATOR:
Exactly why humans should be worshipped too, " Ye are GODS " , you read that right ?

Maximus69:
Keep crying Sir!

Over 8,500,000 persons globally (still counting) are LOYALLY obedient to them!

rottennaija:
Points to Note 1:
Since you have accepted that the bodies of this GC is temple of God, temple of the holy spirit... (1 Co 6:15-20; 1 Co 3:16,17) That makes them members of Christ body with one spirit with him. Quite ironically, you don't realise that by being a member of Christ body, they share in his spirit, with a heavenly hope. Those words spoken in the text cited above were directed to anointed Christians and if they are applicable to the great crowd, then they are anointed Christians.

The problem with splitting one concept into many is that it create many Contradiction you cannot fathom when creating the idea. Because you are so invested in making the temple of Re 7:15 to be earthly, (bearing in mind that Christians worship in no physical temple) you are forced to conclude that the temple is the also refers to their body.

This is contradict watchtower position because as said by them, anointed Christians are God's temple, underpriest. (See w74 8/15 pg. 491, par. 4; w72 12/1 p. 719 par. 10, it-2 p. 1083 par. 5; re chap 6, pg. 29, par. 9)
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2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I will reside among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

Ephesians 2:21, 22
In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. In union with him you too are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit.

1 Peter 2:5
you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Points to Note 2:
Another problem with your writeup is that it Contradicts your religion. Watchtower is very specific about the temple of Re 7:15. Not even remotely do they suggest the temple of Re 7:15 is related to the temple of christ body of Christians. They said below:

"true, it is later described at Revelation 7:15 as serving God" in his temple". But this temple does not refer to the inner sanctuary, the Most Holy. Rather, it is the earthly courtyard of God's spiritual temple. The Greek word naos, here translated "temple", often conveys the broad sense of the entire edifice erected for Jehovah's worship. Today, this is a spiritual structure that embraces both heaven and earth. " - Relevation! It Grand Climax, Chap 20 page 124 par. 14

(However, what the above paragraph said in "relation to noas being the entire courtyard of the temple" is false. This false information of "noas being the entire temple courtyard" is also repeated in Insight Vol. 2, under the headings "Temple" , "Sanctuary" and some other WT publications. The temple sanctuary of Re 7:15, Greek "noas", divine habitations of God correspond to the Holy of Holies, the inner courtyard, Not the entire temple courtyard.

The false information in watchtower publications later corrected in watchtower of May 1, 2002, page 31 par 1. I'm. It away of any of their recent publications that discusses the subject but I'm guessing they will have to produce a book that replaces the insight anytime soon)

So you have 2 problems so far. If the members of the great crowd are God's temple, then they are definitely anointed Christians. And secondly, the temple of Re 7:15 is no referring to the body as in 1 Co 6:15-20; 1 Co 3:16,17 but the "divine habitation of Jehovah, the Holy of Holies" .
So, if the temple of Re 7:15 is not referring to human bodies, you have to deal with the fact that the temple mentioned there something different, and you will have to show that its either in heaven or on earth. But again, God's servant do not worship in any physical temple where you have the holy of holies.


Now, make no mistake about it, all true Christians are anointed. They have a single hope. What I posted above is not to support watchtower convoluted doctrine, but meant to show you the level of your ignorance thereby making the work of explaining things to you bigger than it should be.

Point to Note 3:
In your attempt to create a demarcation between the tree of life and the water of LIFE, you have obviously created another issue for yourself.

First of all, the Watchtower themselves hardly make such demarcations, only in few instances. In some cases, saying it applies to all, in other cases, saying it applies to all. The same is also true of life, conquering of Re 21:6,7.

TATIME
Maximus69
Janosky
Barristter07
achorladey

CAPTIVATOR:
Exactly why humans should be worshipped too, " Ye are GODS " , you read that right ?

Barristter07:
Am glad Captivator already did Justice to this pure misconceptions above, but am interested in the color part, Yes one hope. The bible calls it The " Hope of the everlasting Life " Titus 1:2 .


If all christians are anointed, What is the " inhabited earth to come " or New earth about which the apostles speak ? Heb 2:5, 2 Pet 3:13

Barristter07:
Am glad Captivator already did Justice to this pure misconceptions above, but am interested in the color part, Yes one hope. The bible calls it The " Hope of the everlasting Life " Titus 1:2 .


If all christians are anointed, What is the " inhabited earth to come " or New earth about which the apostles speak ? Heb 2:5, 2 Pet 3:13

Barristter07:
Am glad Captivator already did Justice to this pure misconceptions above, but am interested in the color part, Yes one hope. The bible calls it The " Hope of the everlasting Life " Titus 1:2 .


If all christians are ANOINTED, What is the " inhabited earth to come " or New earth about which the apostles speak ? Heb 2:5, 2 Pet 3:13

Hairyrapunzel:
Every thing to justify your gb belief that you are not anointed, You are not sons of God, you are not brothers of christ, you can never be born again, Jesus Christ is not your mediator, you cannot be directed by the Holy Spirit directly and You can never Go to heaven.
Because your gb have told you that these privileges belong to only them and that you must unquestionably believe what they tell you and if you don't believe or question them you will be slaughtered in armageddon and vultures will eat your dead bodies. Lol jokers



So you want to try by all means to convince people that your magazines doctrines are in the bible by asking questions that are not seen in the bible and providing answers never seen in the bible so you can support your gb interpretation.
Lol

Barristter07:
Am glad Captivator already did Justice to this pure misconceptions above, but am interested in the color part, Yes one hope. The bible calls it The " Hope of the everlasting Life " Titus 1:2 .


If all christians are anointed, What is the " inhabited earth to come " or New earth about which the apostles speak ? Heb 2:5, 2 Pet 3:13

CAPTIVATOR:
It's like you closed your eyes when reading 1cor 3:16 and 17 o , verse 16 says Gods temple refer to anyone with Gods spirit.
Gods spirit only dwell in the anointed? That's the question u must answer
Explain to me which spirit is in John the Baptist ?


Wow, So Jehovah's divine habitation in heaven was trampled by the nations ? Rev11:1,2 all the nations are even in heaven, So Even Gods enemy now have access to heaven.

Don't tell me that temple is on earth o



The great Crowd are not part of the bridal class inviting people to take life water free ( Rev 22:17) let it Sink. A distinction added for emphasis

My point is everlasting life is a gift for all, but immortality signified by tree of life is a gift only for those who experience the first ressurection. The great Crowd are still alive on earth after the great tribulation , they are not dead , how exactly did you catapult them to heaven? Jz
The wording of the the text saying God will awipe their tears and spread his tent over them indicate they are the Mankind spoken of at Rev 21:3,4.

Maximus69:
I think the problem churchgoers have is what the Bible calls ANOINTED!

Because the Hebrew Scriptures help us to know that there are only two titles that requires the anointing.
The Priest and The King!
The 144,000 mentioned @ Revelation 7&14 were said to be made Kings and Priests. Revelations 5:10,20:6

So the questions we need to ask now

Were all servants of God anointed?

If they're all anointed, then who will benefit from their works as priests and Kings, as in who will be their subjects?

What happens to Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and a host of other faithful pre~christian servants of God like John the baptist?

Are they also going to meet Jesus in heaven?

Were they also born agains, baptized with water and spirit? John 3:5

Who will inherit the promised earth since those going to heaven will forever stay there with Jesus? 2Corinthians 5:8

achorladey:
Leave CHURCHGOERS alone and tell the ISSUE around the word ANOINTED

by the time you do so you will have SOLVED the problem.

Even the ORGANIZATION you are a member of are part of the PROBLEM

Maximus69: If they're all anointed, then who will benefit from their works as priests and Kings, as in who will be their subjects?

Achorladey: It's all down to realms of SPECULATIONS and ASSUMPTIONS like the below here......


Watchtower September 2019 study edition LOOK! A GREAT CROWD......

paragraphs,6, 8, 11 respectively.........

6........In his vision, John saw that group “standing before the throne and before the Lamb.” ( Rev. 7:9 ) Those words led the Bible Students to conclude that, like the 144,000, the great crowd would reside in heaven. If both the 144,000 and the great crowd were to live in heaven, how would one group differ from the other? The Bible Students thought that the GREAT CROWD MUST be made up of CHRISTIANS who had not been FULLY OBEDIENT to GOD while on earth. Although leading REASONABLY clean LIVES, some of them may have REMAINED in Christendom’s CHURCHES. The Bible Students concluded that such ones demonstrated a MEASURE of ZEAL but not ENOUGH to RULE with Jesus. Because their love for God had not been SUFFICIENTLY FERVENT, the great crowd would QUALIFY to be in HEAVEN before the THRONE but NOT to SIT on THRONE


8....Thus, the Bible Students felt that there were three groups:

(1) the 144,000, who would rule with Jesus in heaven;

(2) the great crowd of LESS ZEALOUS Christians, who would STAND BEFORE the THRONE of JESUS in heaven; and

(3) millions of people who would be educated in Jehovah’s ways on earth during Christ’s Thousand Year Reign.

In Jehovah’s due time, however, the light of truth began to shine ever brighter on this topic.​— Prov. 4:18 .

11......What about the view that some exemplary ones on earth would be raised to heaven after the Millennium? That possibility was suggested years ago in the February 15, 1913, issue of The Watch Tower. One could have reasoned, ‘Why would faithful men of old receive a mere earthly inheritance but Christians who were somewhat negligent be rewarded with life in heaven?’ Of COURSE, that THINKING was INFLUENCED by TWO INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS: (1) that the GREAT CROWD would RESIDE in HEAVEN and (2) that the GREAT CROWD would be made up of LESS ZEALOUS CHRISTIANS.


What made the latest truth which is GETTING Brighter INTERESTING is, at the MOMENT all members of the ORGANIZATION has a new CORRECT ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS by EXTENSION. In some years ahead it will become INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS.

Unfortunately the INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS in 1913.......... were not TAUGHT as INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS but as TRUTH. TODAY'S ASSUMPTIONS are EQUALLY SEEN now HAS TRUTH in the NEAREST future it will become INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS.

Scriptures gradually turning to TRIAL and ERROR. Yet as at 1919 CHRIST has appointed the Faithful and DISCREET SLAVE based on INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS/ TEACHINGS.

achorladey:
Barristter07: If all christians are anointed, What is the "inhabited earth to come"

Achorladey: The YES one HOPE, I hope will not become two with this your QUESTION.

Since the BIBLE called it ONE HOPE. How, When and where did it become HEAVENLY HOPE and EARTHLY HOPE?

Christian came from CHRIST and CHRIST means

........The titles “Messiah” (from a Hebrew word) and “Christ” (from a Greek word) both mean “Anointed One......bible teach book published by the JWS......

Christian therefore means a disciple of Christ or follower of Christ.

Are all CHRISTIANS anointed?

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: My point is everlasting life is a gift for all, but immortality signified by TREE of LIFE is a gift ONLY for THOSE who experience the FIRST RESURRECTION.

Achorladey: I want to believe your explanation revolves around the below........as captured in the scriptures and the Watchtower w09 1/15 p. 30-p..........below.....

Revelation 2:7........Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations: TO the ONE who CONQUERS I will grant to eat of the TREE of LIFE, which is in the PARADISE of God.’.......

Highlights from the book of REVELATION part 1........

2:7 —What is “the paradise of God”? Since these WORDS are addressed to ANOINTED CHRISTIANS, the paradise here must refer to the paradisaic HEAVENLY REALM​—the very PRESENCE of GOD HIMSELF. The faithful anointed will be rewarded with eating “of the tree of life.” They will receive IMMORTALITY.​— 1 Cor. 15:53.

The key here is the ANOINTED CHRISTIANS and in the WORLD of JWS it's down to the 144,000 and by EXTENSION they ALONE(144000) receive IMMORTALITY.

Do you believe that the way Revelation 2:7 was worded it was RESTRICTED to 144,000 and is it for 144,000 ALONE?

Barristter07:
Kindly answer this question. Then I will take you serious ( Heb 2:5)
Can you tell me the one hope God promised all ? Titus 1:2
Is the Great Crowd anointed , where are they ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Based on the bold .
The question should be how many people are bought from AMONG MANKIND as First fruits to God ? that way it would be clear whom among MANKIND gets to God's presence to partake of the tree of life.

Maximus69:
Because he detests submission to God's chosen ones, he has now been blinded out of crookedness of his heart! 2Corinthians 4:4

One hope for all is "EVERLASTING LIFE"

So whether one lives in heaven or on earth, God's blessed children will LIVE FOREVER! John 3:16

While disobedient ones whether angels or humans will perish(return to none existence)!

That's all!

Satan's system of rule has blurred their reasonableness completely, that's why they can't see that under God's own system, both rulers and their subjects will enjoy abundant blessings from JEHOVAH! Their human government oppress them and make them live like paupers so they're all thinking of running to heaven (the sit of God's government) just as all poverty ridden Nigerians wants to be part of the National assembly to enjoy been a citizens of Nigeria!

achorladey:
Maximus69: One hope for all is "EVERLASTING LIFE"

Achorladey: Titus 1:2 says..... in hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before time began. 

This is what you and Barristter07 stated that the ONE HOPE is ALL ABOUT. It's ONE not TWO.

Where did you get EARTHLY HOPE and HEAVENLY HOPE?

Barristter07:
Kindly answer this question. Then I will take you serious ( Heb 2:5)



Can you tell me the one hope God promised all ? Titus 1:2


Is the Great Crowd anointed , where are they ?

Maximus69:
Note what's written in Titus 1:2!

Hope that was promised BEFORE TIME BEGAN!

Of course JEHOVAH was the one and only person who have always existed according to his word, every other living soul came because he want to create them.

So if Adam (God's firstborn human son) did not eat of the forbidden fruit, where did God intended to have Adam and all his descendants live?

And how long did God want them to live there?

Well i'll answer my own questions.

God created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden here on earth for them to live and NOT to die! Psalms 115:16

They're to continue living as long as they wish in their Paradisiac home! Genesis 2:15-17

Now your question?

Heavenly hope came in through Jesus (our everlasting father) who will replace Adam our dead father through whom we inherited sin and death! John 14:1-4

Before Jesus came to rescue humans from sin and death, the only hope of all humans is to live FOREVER on planet earth! Psalms 37:29

Jesus will rule obedient mankind from heaven and he wants his corulers to be with him in the sit of his government (heaven)

So few amongst his followers will be anointed to join him there, that's how the hope has TWO versions {Matthew 5:3,5 compared to Revelations 14:1,6} but everything still boils down to the same hope "LIFE EVERLASTING"