EMILO2STAY:
you have seen the four walls of a tertiary institution yet you don't know that it is taught that the solar system is cruising along with the galaxy at over 670 million miles p/h.

Again I repeat if what you have in yours school are not moon rocks then why call them moon rocks?

It takes the rejection of common sense and great presence with shamelessness for one to behave the way you are now behaving.

This how you show us how dumb you are. You could have easily confirmed the speed of the solar system and speed of light to see if they were the same but your dumb brain skips like a scratched CD.

I deliberately wrote "samples of moon rock" because I was using them as an example of how someone could mistake them for the real thing but again you too dumb to know when someone is making an example.

It takes pigheaded foolishness to reject the findings of modern science in favour of a hebrew fairytale.

LordReed:


This how you show us how dumb you are. You could have easily confirmed the speed of the solar system and speed of light to see if they were the same but your dumb brain skips like a scratched CD.

I deliberately wrote "samples of moon rock" because I was using them as an example of how someone could mistake them for the real thing but again you too dumb to know when someone is making an example.

It takes pigheaded foolishness to reject the findings of modern science in favour of a hebrew fairytale.

I have been following your argument. Your lines are very weak. The face saving ad hominem tactics is a sign you are losing it.


@EMILO2STAY is overfed with propaganda and conspiracies. I wish you can counter and trash his points one after the other. Nairaland have lost vibrant scientists, that is why he is jumping everywhere with fallacy. Wish this is my area of expertise.

Goodnight

FOLYKAZE:


I have been following your argument. Your lines are very weak. The face saving ad hominem tactics is a sign you are losing it.


@EMILO2STAY is overfed with propaganda and conspiracies. I wish you can counter and trash his points one after the other. Nairaland have lost vibrant scientists, that is why he is jumping everywhere with fallacy. Wish this is my area of expertise.

Goodnight

Thank you for your input but I really don't care what you think about my lines. I present as much factual information as I can. What anybody does with that is their own business.

LordReed:
Did Apollo astronauts give petrified wood to the Dutch Prime Minister and say it was a moon rock?

Read!!! Then again, can Media ever be trusted?


Still doesn't prove that they brought a moon rock or did I miss something

LordReed:


This how you show us how dumb you are. You could have easily confirmed the speed of the solar system and speed of light to see if they were the same but your dumb brain skips like a scratched CD.

I deliberately wrote "samples of moon rock" because I was using them as an example of how someone could mistake them for the real thing but again you too dumb to know when someone is making an example.

It takes pigheaded foolishness to reject the findings of modern science in favour of a hebrew fairytale.

Question? So such speeds are via what medium?

Vacuum called space? or ether? or what?

LordReed:

Yes you did.

I didn't, I was giving an illustration

EMILO2STAY:
the sea water does not go into space but form clouds and come back as rain. While the earth is said to loose atmosphere to space that never comes back. If this is true then the earth atmosphere even if it is replenished must surely be dispersed into the vacuum of space in 4.5 billion yrs time also given the that it is spinning and orbiting the sun, at incredible speeds should make it even loose atmosphere at a faster rate. This is the third law of thermodynamics.

If you bring down a pot of boiling water down from the fire and open the pot, steam flows out of that pot till the pot cools off and the temperature of that becomes just like the temperature of the surrounding environment. This same principle applies to the open system of the earths atmosphere. Since the earth is an open system next to a vacuum by now no life should be on the earth because the earth should have been just like the empty vacuum of space given it is 4.5billion yrs and spinning at incredible speeds in different directions. If the earth is projected to loose its atmosphere in 1.7billion yrs time then the earth as supposed is not 4.5billion yrs old.

the moon rock was given to Holland by Neil armstrong, buzz aldrin and Michael collins himself and was not any security measure whatever. You don't have to lie shamelessly. It was tested and confirmed to be fake by the university of netherlands. The dutch museum was so confident of its authenticity that it insured it for half a million dollars. The same fake moon rock was also given to queen julian of the netherlands but after it was found that the other moon rock was fake the queens moon rock disappeared. Was that also a security measure? Who gave your school moon rocks? Did the astronauts visit your school?

the video is all over YouTube and was launched by independent researchers it is called the go pro 2014. I believe it because it is unedited but live raw footage of a rocket launch from the earth till 73miles up when it stopped of which NASA can never do such.

Reading this I just came to an understanding about life and why they won't "find life outer space"

Life can only exist in a closed system, that like the pot boiling water keeps the steam inside in form of what we call clouds.


Expect, Lordreed, if you can show how an open system can keep the clouds, atmosphere or if "they have found or seen any other system in their so called space that has an atmosphere"

BlueAngel444:


Read!!! Then again, can Media ever be trusted?


Still doesn't prove that they brought a moon rock or did I miss something

The same media is what you trust to learn about the petrified wood.

The proof of the reality of the moon rock is different. What I posted shows that the moon rock and the petrified wood were 2 separate gifts housed in the same museum. Mistaking the petrified wood for moon rock was a mistake.

BlueAngel444:


Question? So such speeds are via what medium?

Vacuum called space? or ether? or what?

Space is largely a empty and can be said to be a vacuum in some sense. Light and the solar system are speeding within this vacuum called space.

BlueAngel444:


Reading this I just came to an understanding about life and why they won't "find life outer space"

Life can only exist in a closed system, that like the pot boiling water keeps the steam inside in form of what we call clouds.


Expect, Lordreed, if you can show how an open system can keep the clouds, atmosphere or if "they have found or seen any other system in their so called space that has an atmosphere"

When a system is said to be open it doesn't mean its like a pipe that only transports fluid and doesn't retain it. An open system simply refers to the characteristics of system that allows the entry and exist of matter and energy. It does not mean the sum total of energy and matter going in equals the sum total of energy and matter going out.

How the earth retains things like clouds is a result of the interaction between several component physical properties like gravity, pressure, mass, kinetic energy, etc.

Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Uranus have atmosphere.

LordReed:


This how you show us how dumb you are. You could have easily confirmed the speed of the solar system and speed of light to see if they were the same but your dumb brain skips like a scratched CD.

I deliberately wrote "samples of moon rock" because I was using them as an example of how someone could mistake them for the real thing but again you too dumb to know when someone is making an example.

It takes pigheaded foolishness to reject the findings of modern science in favour of a hebrew fairytale.

I knew you would eventually end up in an emotional outburst. Things like this happen when you can't defend a fable. You are the dumb person here talking about moon rocks when you know nothing about it. Any way let me let you have the last laugh so you can go and rest.

EMILO2STAY:
I knew you would eventually end up in an emotional outburst. Things like this happen when you can't defend a fable. You are the dumb person here talking about moon rocks when you know nothing about it. Any way let me let you have the last laugh so you can go and rest.

LMFAO! Abeg swallow that high road bullshit. You lot start with the insults then when I let you have both barrels you start crying crocodile tears. Mwahahaha!

The observations of the universe are all around us and you can make them yourself but you prefer your favourite comforting Hebrew fairytale.

LordReed:


LMFAO! Abeg swallow that high road bullshit. You lot start with the insults then when I let you have both barrels you start crying crocodile tears. Mwahahaha!

The observations of the universe are all around us and you can make them yourself but you prefer your favourite comforting Hebrew fairytale.

yea,. Yea, observations you can't put up except an emotional outburst and shooting yourself on the foot with your ignorant moon sample bla bla. Like I said have the last laugh.

EMILO2STAY:
yea,. Yea, observations you can't put up except an emotional outburst and shooting yourself on the foot with your ignorant moon sample bla bla. Like I said have the last laugh.

The ones you have nothing to say about expect a stupid conspiracy. LMFAO!

EMILO2STAY:
space is a lie to give the idea that there is no God. But once you realize that the earth is a closed system with some kind of covering like an umbrella then you will have a consciousness that there is something beyond that covering. The bible is a flat eaeth book though I have refrained from using the bible to defend the flat earth. But the bible is full of passages that discloses the shape of the earth and what lies beyond.

The illusion of space is created to give the impression that we are insignificant and not created by a God. Also to give the impression that therw are other worlds with aliens living in them probably millions of years more advanced than human. Thses people fool us because they worship Satan for Satan to have his way with humans he has to lie about every thing.
If according to science aliens are more advance in intelligence, civilization and technology as we see in movies because they evolves couple of millions of years ahead of humans, then it follows that humans should be the oldest evolved organism on earth because we are more intelligent than animals. But the same science is saying that human were not here when dinosaurs were on the earth and that animals like chicken and duck fowls are descendant of the ancient dinosaurs which died out 65 million years ago. And that humans are just about 5million years in evolution, if this is true then how come humans being one of the youngest evolving organism is more intelligent than animals which are supposedly ahead of humans in the evolution timeline. Aren't the animals supposed to be more intelligent seeing that they are the oldest evolving organism just like the so called aliens?

Space according to science cannot exist because a vacuum is always a closed system and not an open system. You cannot have an open system like the earth is supposed next to a vacuum of space because the the atmosphere of the earth will empty into the vast vacuum of space. Also aircraft cannot move in space because it is a vacuum. Aircraft fly here on earth because their engines push against the atmosphere but space is a vacuum of nothingness and so nothing can move in it.

It is alleged that there are thousands of satellites in space but if you watch the videos of astronauts in space you will not see one of the so called satellites.

I salute your ignorance.

calculator123:

I salute your ignorance.

don't salute the ignorance. Debunk it!!

LordReed:


The ones you have nothing to say about expect a stupid conspiracy. LMFAO!

what do you call conspiracy? The fact that you feel no single movement but the earth is said to be spiraling in multiple directions at break net speeds? And you feel non of it? or the fact that all the scientist who proposed these theories never went to space to measure detect and confirm any of these theories? But you still sheepishly believe? And also the fact that the very law of thermodynamics goes against the said open system of the earth yet you still sheepishly believe without a single evidence. Or is it the very well known fact that the moon is a plasma and no lunar lander can ever land on the moon and the astronauts never went there as evidenced by their fake moon rock yet you still believe they went to the moon and brought back moon rock? Every thing I stated is a fact and can be verified. But yours can never ever be verified as it is all speculation and theories. So who is the conspiracy theorist? Me or you?

You should not be arguing with me, you should be thanking me for opening your eyes to the lies of the elite. But because you are a cowardly atheist, you are hard wired to become a sheeple of your gods and religion in the name of scientist and science. Sorry for you.

EMILO2STAY:
what do you call conspiracy? The fact that you feel no single movement but the earth is said to be spiraling in multiple directions at break net speeds? And you feel non of it? or the fact that all the scientist who proposed these theories never went to space to measure detect and confirm any of these theories? But you still sheepishly believe? And also the fact that the very law of thermodynamics goes against the said open system of the earth yet you still sheepishly believe without a single evidence. Or is it the very well known fact that the moon is a plasma and no lunar lander can ever land on the moon and the astronauts never went there as evidenced by their fake moon rock yet you still believe they went to the moon and brought back moon rock? Every thing I stated is a fact and can be verified. But yours can never ever be verified as it is all speculation and theories. So who is the conspiracy theorist? Me or you?

You should not be arguing with me, you should be thanking me for opening your eyes to the lies of the elite. But because you are a cowardly atheist, you are hard wired to become a sheeple of your gods and religion in the name of scientist and science. Sorry for you.

Thank a dunce like you who cannot keep to his word of letting me have the last laugh? LMFAO! No way José.

Dummy, you don't feel constant speed, you feel acceleration and deceleration. It is one of the reasons why when you are in a cruising plane you do not have the sense of how fast you are going. Heck even in one of them luxury vehicles like Mercedes Benz S class you don't get the sense of speed if you close your eyes or don't look outside if the vehicle is moving at a constant speed. These are things that are easy to test, not Hebrew fairytale stories.

Which law of thermodynamics? The very laws that were derived to explain the very phenomena you are now disputing? Stop faking like you even know what you are talking about.

The moon is not any sort of plasma, stop talking out your arse. Verified by your conspiracy theory buddies or your Hebrew fairytale?

LordReed:


Thank a dunce like you who cannot keep to his word of letting me have the last laugh? LMFAO! No way José.

Dummy, you don't feel constant speed, you feel acceleration and deceleration. It is one of the reasons why when you are in a cruising plane you do not have the sense of how fast you are going. Heck even in one of them luxury vehicles like Mercedes Benz S class you don't get the sense of speed if you close your eyes or don't look outside if the vehicle is moving at a constant speed. These are things that are easy to test, not Hebrew fairytale stories.

Which law of thermodynamics? The very laws that were derived to explain the very phenomena you are now disputing? Stop faking like you even know what you are talking about.

The moon is not any sort of plasma, stop talking out your arse. Verified by your conspiracy theory buddies or your Hebrew fairytale?

lol, the temptation of not letting you have the last laugh os just too high. Sorry it is due to your sheepish nature. Even though i see your just struggling to hang on.

EMILO2STAY:
lol, the temptation of not letting you have the last laugh os just too high. Sorry it is due to your sheepish nature. Even though i see your just struggling to hangout on.

Abeg go and sleep, tomorrow is Christmas.

LordReed:


Space is largely a empty and can be said to be a vacuum in some sense. Light and the solar system are speeding within this vacuum called space.

But science says light travels via a medium, and in a vacuum is a void - empty

Neither ether or whatever, right?

Science trying to make sense of certain things, yet many accept it like it's infallible and completely true

LordReed:


When a system is said to be open it doesn't mean its like a pipe that only transports fluid and doesn't retain it. An open system simply refers to the characteristics of system that allows the entry and exist of matter and energy. It does not mean the sum total of energy and matter going in equals the sum total of energy and matter going out.

How the earth retains things like clouds is a result of the interaction between several component physical properties like gravity, pressure, mass, kinetic energy, etc.

Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Uranus have atmosphere.

But none of those Mercury, Venus, Saturn has a complex atmosphere as ours

A lose at any rate will result in a depletion, like Ozone area issues ba (which may as well be probably made up)


With each force functioning outside the earth, the sun, the moon, the planets each with it's own effect will assumably be lower than those on earth, right.


Never quiet understood what the functions of those planets were. They don't seem to hold or have anything valuable.

Why would God make something like that, expect if it isn't God that made it and "they" are right to say it so that their universe is as a result of a big bang.

Remarkable New Theory Says There's No Gravity, No Dark Matter, and Einstein Was Wrong


Professor Erik Verlinde famously stated then that "gravity is an illusion," elaborating further that:

"Well, of course gravity is not an illusion in the sense that we know that things fall. Most people, certainly in physics, think we can describe gravity perfectly adequately using Einstein’s General Relativity. But it now seems that we can also start from a microscopic formulation where there is no gravity to begin with, but you can derive it. This is called ‘emergence’."

https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/remarkable-new-theory-says-theres-no-gravity-no-dark-matter-and-einstein-was-wrong

The Universal Theory of Gravity is often taught in schools as a fact, when in fact it is not even a good theory.

First of all, no one has measured gravity for every atom and every star. It is simply a religious belief that it is "universal".

Secondly, school textbooks routinely make false statements. For example, "the moon goes around the earth."
If the theory of gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is much stronger than the earth's gravitational force on the moon, so the moon would go around the sun. Anybody can look up at night and see the obvious gaps in gravity theory.


The existence of tides is often taken as a proof of gravity, but this is logically flawed.

Because if the moon's "gravity" were responsible for a bulge underneath it, then how can anyone explain a high tide on the opposite side of the earth at the same time? Anyone can observe that there are two — not one — high tides every day.

It is far more likely that tides were given us by an Intelligent Creator long ago and they have been with us ever since. In any case, the fact that there are two high tides falsifies gravity.

BlueAngel444:


But science says light travels via a medium, and in a vacuum is a void - empty

Neither ether or whatever, right?

Science trying to make sense of certain things, yet many accept it like it's infallible and completely true

You are mixing sound and light. Light needs no medium, sound does.

BlueAngel444:


But none of those Mercury, Venus, Saturn has a complex atmosphere as ours

A lose at any rate will result in a depletion, like Ozone area issues ba (which may as well be probably made up)


With each force functioning outside the earth, the sun, the moon, the planets each with it's own effect will assumably be lower than those on earth, right.


Never quiet understood what the functions of those planets were. They don't seem to hold or have anything valuable.

Why would God make something like that, expect if it isn't God that made it and "they" are right to say it so that their universe is as a result of a big bang.

So?

Yes, the earth atmosphere will be depleted, in 1.7billion years.

So?

So?

So?

LordReed:


You are mixing sound and light. Light needs no medium, sound does.

Are you sure

Luminiferous aether or ether ("luminiferous", meaning "light-bearing" was the postulated medium for the propagation of light. It was invoked to explain the ability of the apparently wave-based light to propagate through empty space, something that waves should not be able to do.

There are numerous alternative theories that should be taught on an equal basis. For example, the observed behavior of the earth's revolving around the sun can be perfectly explained if the sun has a net positive charge and the planets have a net negative charge, since opposite charges attract and the force is an inverse-square law, exactly as proposed by the increasingly discredited Theory of Gravity.

Physics and chemistry texts emphasize that this is the explanation for electrons going around the nucleus, so if it works for atoms, why not for the solar system? The answer is simple: scientific orthodoxy.

The US Patent Office has never issued a patent for anti-gravity. Why is this? According to natural law and homeopathy, everything exists in opposites: good–evil; grace–sin; positive charges–negative charges; north poles–south poles; good vibes–bad vibes; and so on. We know there are anti-evolutionists, so why not anti-gravitationalists?

It is clearly a matter of the scientific establishment elite's protecting their own. Anti-gravity papers are routinely rejected from peerreviewed journals, and scientists who propose anti-gravity quickly lose their funding. Universal gravity theory is just a way to keep the grant money flowing.

Even Isaac Newton, said to be the discoverer of gravity, knew there were problems with the theory. He claims to have invented the idea early in his life, but he knew that no mathematician of his day would approve his theory, so he invented a whole new branch of mathematics, called fluxions, just to "prove" his theory.

This became calculus, a deeply flawed branch having to do with so-called "infinitesimals" which have never been observed.

Then when Einstein invented a new theory of gravity, he, too, used an obscure bit of mathematics called tensors.

It seems that every time there is a theory of gravity, it is mixed up with fringe mathematics.

Newton, by the way,was far from a secular scientist, and the bulk of his writings is actually on theology and Christianity. His dabbling in gravity, alchemy, and calculus was a mere sideline, perhaps an aberration best left forgotten in describing his career and faith in a Creator.

LordReed:


You are mixing sound and light. Light needs no medium, sound does.

light travels through a medium known as the ether, saying light needs no medium is like saying waves can travel without water.

Gravity totally fails to explain why Saturn has rings and Jupiter does not. It utterly fails to account for obesity. In fact, what it does "explain" is far outweighed by what it does not explain.

https://ncse.ngo/gravity-its-only-theory

While reading Something’s wrong with gravity by Robert Matthews, I saw certain statements.

Verlinde has had to grapple with some of the deepest problems in science, including the quest for the so-called Theory of Everything – a theory that unites gravity with quantum mechanics that has been considered the holy grail of physics for decades.

Theorists have long known that General Relativity cannot be the last word about gravity. That’s because it fails to incorporate the other cornerstone of modern physics, quantum theory. As well as describing the subatomic world with astonishing precision, quantum theory has been able to account for all the fundamental forces of nature apart from one: gravity.

Since the 1950s, theorists have tried to marry the two views of nature to produce one overarching theory.

Yet despite decades of effort and a host of mind-boggling ideas, there is still no hard evidence that it works.

This has led Verlinde down a different path in search for the truth about gravity. The origins of this truth lie in a series of surprising connections between gravity and an apparently unrelated part of science: thermodynamics, the physics of heat.



My question after reading about dark matter, entropy and all that, why is gravity still considered "universal" when there have and still are so called observable deviations from it ?

Even Charles Darwin tried to use gravity to prove God didn't create life on earth, that gravity supports plant life.

Gravity has moved from being a simple up and down force stated by Newton to a relative and complex force stated by Einstein, soon someone will should it has multiple complexity and intelligence. Meaning it occurs based on several multi factors like a mind.

What makes them certain gravity exists? Where did the term gravity come from?