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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 1:46pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Bigmikedagod: I never said that they attack people physically. I said that they pray for perceived enemies to die and it is very wrong to pray that way. Our Lord Jesus said, Matthew 5:43-45 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. There is no ambiguity in this statement. Apostle Paul added, Romans 12:19-21 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Don't tell me Olukoya has never read these scriptures before. Why does he act contrary to the instructions contained in them? Is he wiser than Jesus and the Apostles. Sometimes, we just follow without asking questions. The fact that he has large followership doesn't mean he is doing the right thing. The world is full of gullible souls. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by enemyofprogress: 1:49pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 1:50pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Ken4Christ:If it doesn't work, I don't think it would spread. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Alimat40: 1:53pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
There is nothing wrong in the celebration, but I am worried how christians are celebrating Christmas in a way that you can not distinguish worldly celebration and christians. I believe that Christmas should be celebrated in moderation, with sober reflection, winning souls for Christ, sharing, visit to the prison, hospital, doing good at that period. This is not so anymore. True born again do not do it again. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 1:55pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Ken4Christ:Which enemy are you talking about? Is it the enemy that says he is not going to greet you in the morning or the enemy that says your wife will die at child birth.? Because there are different types of enemies. If God did not kill herod, Peter would have been killed after he already killed James. It was the same God that rained down fire on those soldiers when they asked Elijah to come down. God has not changed. It is you that fail to understand the scriptures. You can't pray for some enemies to repent. They will kill you if you don't kill them. 1 Like |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Acidosis(m): 1:55pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
This is a pure fact. Christmas is a pagan idea. Originally, it has nothing to do with Christians. What Christians all over the world should have done is to fix a different date with a different word. Events like Easter, Pentecost day, etc. are deeply rooted and linked with Christians. Christmas is nothing but a day to celebrate a man on red and white costume. They call him Father Christmas. It has nothing to do with Jesus. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 1:56pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Oluromantic: A child of God who is truly born again is indestructible. Our lives is hid with God in Christ. No weapon formed against you shall prosper. As the scripture says, 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that WICKED ONE TOUCHETH HIM NOT. 1 Peter 3:13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? If you are easily venerable to the wicked devices of evil people, there are factors responsible and it's your responsibility to fix them and stay under cover. Examples of such factors are 1. You are not truly born again. You just go to Church. 2. You are born again but engaged in sinful indulgence. 3. You are yet to be filled with the Holy Spirit. The baptism with the Holy Spirit puts a stamp of ownership of God upon your life. God from that moment takes personal responsibility to protect you. 4. You are not prayerful especially in tongues. 5. You are not committed to the advancement of the kingdom of God. You go to church whenever you like. You are not involved in any activity department. Not a tither and not a giver. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by CSTR2: 1:59pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
rummmy:It is a youth empowerment program. It is not every youth that will go to school and get First Class where they can get 500,000 from the church. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 2:00pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
sunnymaja: Witches can't kill a child of God walking in the light of God's word. 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Proverbs 14:19 The evil bow before the good; and the wicked at the gates of the righteous. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Xerxes75: 2:05pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Better to keep shut than write what you can not end, you know he was not born on 25th. Could please tell us when he was born? |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by doctuw(m): 2:06pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 2:08pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
solsticey2k3: But I am speaking the truth. Our Lord Jesus said we should pray for our enemies and do good to them. Apostle also said if our enemies are hungry, we should feed them. It didn't say we should kill them. Olukoya is practicing Old Testament doctrines. We are in a new dispensation. He should cross over to the New Testament. Apostle Paul placed a curse on anyone that preaches another gospel. And what is the gospel Apostle Paul preached? Gospel of grace. The gospel according to the New Testament revelations. 2 Corinthians 3:6-7 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. note 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away The letter here is the Old Testament and the Spirit is the New Testament. Paul said that the letter kills. That's is why MFN is killing. They are following the letters. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Chonchin: 2:09pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Neroiam:. According to the account I gave above, several early Christians traditions served as a pointer to why the church agreed to choose the said date. However, there’s no date in history not link to something else somewhere. If you say something is popularly believed that.... well I’m not part of the so called popular belief and billions of people around the world are not part of it. It’s popular to you but not to everyone. From Monday the moon worship day, Thursday of the god Thur to Saturday dedicated to the god Saturn and Sunday for the sun worship. Because these days were special pegan days for some people doesn’t mean anything since you are not part of them. After all, why should we worship God on the day some pagans worship their sun god and even go as far as naming the day after their sun god. Not Godday but Sunday. Can you see the hypocrisy when we only choose what we want to believe and not. I have given you different reasons why 25 December could have been chosen. However, will you decide not to worship God on Sunday because of course it’s a day of pagan worship of the god of sun? Of course no because that’s non of your business since you don’t take part in sun worship anyway. Nevertheless, individual is free to follow their own conviction. No day according to the Bible is clean. All days are full of evil. No exception. 1 Like |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by eazyduzit: 2:11pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
The Coptic Christians in Egypt and other part of the world celebrate theirs on 7th January. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 2:11pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Lilisticlili: Two wrongs cannot make a right. That you have a problem doesn't mean you have to take laws into your hands. Vengeance is the exclusive right of God. You don't have the moral right under this dispensation to take any life. And if you walk in the light of God's word, nobody can kill you unless you don't know who you are in Christ Jesus. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 2:19pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
shuttox: I beg, pack one side. Which one is Jehovah Witness? Organization that brought doctrines contrary to God's word. Why are people still blind to the truth of God's word. People that will see white and call it black. They don't even believe Jesus rose from the dead bodily. So, which gospel are they preaching? If Jesus did not rise from the dead bodily, how come his disciples could touch him and even eat with him. What then happened to his body? There initial explanation is that God probably melted his body with chemicals. They are full of lies. And they have to tell more lies to cover the old ones. I feel so sorry for those who are committed to their evil course. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ken4Christ: 2:24pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
ifewise: Olukoya should please come down from the mountain that burns with fire first and then cross over to the New Testament. He will see the need to join in the celebration. If the day was formerly dedicated to the worship of idols, it has been hijacked to the praise and glory of God. As long as what we do is done to God's glory, it is acceptable before God. If the celebration stops, very soon people will soon forget that a Saviour was born. At least those who haven't heard about Jesus will hear about him. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by alizma: 2:34pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Mcuzy:That is how you know those frustrated fellow hiding under religion to mislead others. Ask them to give the actual date and they had been looking like the lost sheep. Somebody had ask him to show where Olukoya is written in the Bible. That is the response that I am waiting for. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by blessingsonflee(f): 2:52pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Birth certificate and death certificate na the same thing ? |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Excellentmind: 2:53pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
ifewise: Everybody has a right to hold views, but to present the foregoing as the basis for his argument against Christmas is subjective and therefore unacceptable. 1. There is no particular time of the year that shepherds don't take their flocks for graising . 2. There is no definite time for conducting census; weather does not affect the conduct of census for such impression to hold water. Therefore, all he has said is his opinion and no one including the members of his congregation should be forced to share his views or antagonize anyone who holds a contrary view. 1 Like |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by SEMBID: 2:57pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
If MFM founder find fault celebrating Christmas and Easter , i think he should find fault celebaring his birthday. I think its better for to stop criticizing what he did not know, he should remember that the same bible he was trying to interpret was compiled by St. Jerome one of the Catholic scholars. 1 Like |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by DCmonster: 3:00pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
constance500:Bleep you slowpoke! |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Leopantro: 3:01pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
aimuan: No problem. Henceforth, all MFM members will go to work on 25th and 26th of December. Failure to do so will receive a query. 1 Like |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Panther123: 3:06pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
ifewise:what's this? Christians selling themselves a penny again over mere date and period chosen for an important event . By the way, what's that weather mantra about the time In Bethlehem and the census? OMG. What of global warming that has changed most things about weather and how they used to be? I am more than disappointed . |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by bluecircle470: 3:07pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Mcuzy: Devil why you dey fight yourself nah... |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Panther123: 3:10pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Excellentmind:with due respect to the views of the man of God, those sound so trivial to buttress his point. What's the weather weather thing in an era when things are losing their usual times due to global warming. Don't MFM have experts that would have better advised him on those comments before he went public ? |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by biolite(m): 3:12pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
aimuan:......You are getting it all wrong..Christmas day is a Day set aside to celebrate the birth of a Shepherd king that is born. |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Oluromantic: 3:16pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Lexjully: 3:18pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
Okayyyyy..... Jesus released fire to kill all his enemies, Jesus had a football team (twelve disciples), I forgot the verse of the Bible where Jesus was using IPad to preach, please someone should remind me the verse where God told us to be going to church on Sunday, I think it's in Genesis where Jesus conducted deliverance for everyone who wanted to join his choir, oh I almost forgot, Jesus commanded Peter in Ecclesiastes 3:1 never to use drums when singing in Church........... These people are very confused. Aswerighad |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by InvertedHammer: 3:28pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
/ Nobody knows. Go with the flow and enjoy yourself. If oyibo people didn't bring Bible to Africa, will Olukoya and co be arguing what they know nothing about. Like I always say, you are limited to what you are taught. The funny thing is that oyibo people brought christian doctrines to Africa. Africans abandoned their traditional religion and now turn around to castigate oyibo for not practising christianity the right way. Really? . Crying more than the bereaved. Africans never cease to amaze me. \ 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by dreamangel: 3:31pm On Dec 29, 2019 |
atoleybaba: If the Angels lkeep coming to earth physically to celebrate it, please what are you on earth whom he died for supposed to do? Stay there and wait for Angels |
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