raumdeuter:


Is it possible to finish ahead of a team after 38 games of playing the same teams and not be better?

Maybe we can argue that Sheffield is better than Liverpool too

I saw how the psychological effect of hiring Pep made City finish 4th.

They have an explanation for any thing Pep achieves.

Greatihex:
why then are you telling us that league position tell it all?

lol.

HOW else will I know if the players SAF inherited were better than City players in 2016? Did I see those players play?

The only way I can judge them is their PREVIOUS achievement. Just like if CFC end up winning the league this season. Only a fool will turn around next season if they are 15th to say they are no better than Sheffield who maybe are 12th that season.

raumdeuter:


Sorry but that answer doesn't cut it.
A team that finished 4th with 66 points is better than a team that finished 2nd with 13more points??

Pep is involved.

If Pep was using Ansu in Barca..they would have said he was the best player ever at 16.

Eruditor:


Sterling of 2016 over Duff in 2004
Joe Hart that was sold by Pep.
KdB of 2016 over Robben of 2004

Patrickmuf can you see why I asked you that question?

Working brain.

You are a slowpoke.

PAP “met” Jor Hart in City. That he sold him was no one business.

Sterling of 2016 was head n shoulder better than Duff in any year.

KDB of 2016 was better than Robben of 2004.

raumdeuter:


Cudicini Terry Gallas Makelele Crespo Hasselbaink Lampard Robben Duff Mutu

Compare that to a City filled with old players

Players Ranieri had bought with good money after Roman had come. Because he felt they were good enough to win. Which is why they hired Mourinho. They knew Ranieri Underperformed.

Eruditor:


Where did anybody say Klopp inherited Suarez?

I said the squad of 2010/11 that started the season to the one of 2013/14 Gerrard was the only survivor.

To disprove your nonsense about 8th, 6th being Liverpools true level. In other words TWO DIFFERENT SQUADS.

Also, now you have switched to when Pep was announced City were 2nd on the table. Because you have been owned.

You can call me names. It means nothing to me. Like I said, it proves you have nothing to say.

Hey idiot, are you ready to back up this assertion with your money?

Or you are blind since?

larride:


So you are telling us currently that Leicester has a better team than City, right?

Dayo, you are drunk. Go n sleep.

Is the league over, have they played the same teams home and away?

larride:


You are a slowpoke.

PAP “met” Jor Hart in City. That he sold him was no one business.

Sterling of 2016 was head n shoulder better than Duff in any year.

KDB of 2016 was better than Robben of 2004.

You can call me names. It speaks more about you than me. Your brain is functioning.

Pep met him but sold him. Yet he inherited better squad. The same squad you want to use to justify why he had 100/134.

Sterling of 2016 was better than Duff in 2004. Hahaha
hahaha.

What else? That 2016 City squad is even the best ever EPL team.

Eruditor:


I saw how the psychological effect of hiring Pep made City finish 4th.

They have an explanation for any thing Pep achieves.

Pep took a team that finished 4th to 3rd and 1st twice in a row. Verdict not an achievement because of psychological effect of the sack

Pep took Bayern from Juup who was sacked but won a treble. No psychological effect. Pep failed at Bayern

You see how logical that is

raumdeuter:


Is the league over, have they played the same teams home and away?

Don’t be like the other guy, I believe your eyes are working clearly. Read the post again.

larride:


You are a slowpoke.

PAP “met” Jor Hart in City. That he sold him was no one business.

Sterling of 2016 was head n shoulder better than Duff in any year.

KDB of 2016 was better than Robben of 2004.

Shebi that Joe Hart moved mountains in Torino and is moving mountains in Burnley right now

Do you know why I ignored the offer? Because you want to bring 1or 2 names that did not mop up 5 starts nor did they play any significant role in 2013/14 team.

Look for more names to type. If you ever stop...you'd have proven you were wasting your time.

Functioning brain.

But can't string one coherent sentence. LOL

This post or another one?

Eruditor:


lol.

HOW else will I know if the players SAF inherited were better than City players in 2016? Did I see those players play?

The only way I can judge them is their PREVIOUS achievement. Just like if CFC end up winning the league this season. Only a fool will turn around next season if they are 15th to say they are no better than Sheffield who maybe are 12th that season.

League table doesn't matter, points doesn't matter only subjective judgment of player abilities by larride matters

raumdeuter:


Pep took a team that finished 4th to 3rd and 1st twice in a row. Verdict not an achievement because of psychological effect of the sack

Pep took Bayern from Juup who was sacked but won a treble. No psychological effect. Pep failed at Bayern

You see how logical that is

We know them. I am only having a laugh watching him slap himself in the face. Even the CFC fans that were supporting have since abandoned him.

I am sure he is regretting ever venturing down this rabbit hole.

raumdeuter:


League table doesn't matter, points doesn't matter only subjective judgment of player abilities by larride matters

Functioning brain. The people in Harvard and co are dullards.

raumdeuter:


Juup was forced to retire. He didn't retire voluntarily

that is a lie

Eruditor:


Pep is involved.

If Pep was using Ansu in Barca..they would have said he was the best player ever at 16.

When Pep is involved there will always be an excuse

If he took Barcelona that finished trophyless to sextuple its because of Messi like Messi was dead before Pep got there

If he took Bayern to 3 league wins and 3 CL semi, he failed because he cannot win a treble since Bayern were always winning trebles every season before him

If he took City to 2 league titles breaking points records, its because he spent money on buying players why cant he use his own biological children to play, win all trophy all games if he is a good coach

Greatihex:
that is a lie

LOL. Even when I have brought EVIDENCE more than ONCE.

Man will still argue with clear evidence. Because...narrative.

Greatihex:
that is a lie

How much are you willing to stake on it? What exactly is your points and how much are you willing to stake on it.

Its time I start impoverishing you this new year

Eruditor:


Do you know why I ignored the offer? Because you want to bring 1or 2 names that did not mop up 5 starts nor did they play any significant role in 2013/14 team.

Look for more names to type. If you ever stop...you'd have proven you were wasting your time.

Functioning brain.

But can't string one coherent sentence. LOL

50k and I will mention 5 that had over 15 apps.

Deal?

Eruditor:


LOL. Even when I have brought EVIDENCE more than ONCE.

Man will still argue with clear evidence. Because...narrative.

Thinking about it, its not worth making him poorer

raumdeuter:


League table doesn't matter, points doesn't matter only subjective judgment of player abilities by larride matters

Please what do you use to judge the strength of a team?

Dayo you are drunk.

raumdeuter:


When Pep is involved there will always be an excuse

If he took Barcelona that finished trophyless to sextuple its because of Messi like Messi was dead before Pep got there

If he took Bayern to 3 league wins and 3 CL semi, he failed because he cannot win a treble since Bayern were always winning trebles every season before him

If he took City to 2 league titles breaking points records, its because he spent money on buying players why cant he use his own biological children to play, win all trophy all games if he is a good coach

He only needs to lose one game or trophy to prove he is a fraud. When he wins, they know the reason and it does not involve him. But when he loses, yea..it is solely his fault.

larride:


50k and I will mention 5 that had over 15 apps.

Deal?

15 apps or starts?

Functioning brain should know the difference.

raumdeuter:


Thinking about it, its not worth making him poorer

Even if you give him links he will argue with it. Like he was in the Bayern board room when decisions were being made.

larride:


Please what do you use to judge the strength of a team?

Dayo you are drunk.

A league of 38 games isn't good enough. Points haul isn't enough its subjective measurement of abilities that is

Eruditor:


This is 2020. I can rubbish you and call you names etc but it will only prove that I will be using that to hide the fact that I have been found out or that I have no argument to make. That is exactly what you have done above.

You were here when Patrickmuf said Pep's squad was equal to the other top 4 teams which is why he finished 3rd. It was right to you. Today, that same team that was equal to others is now better than a team that finished 2nd behind the invincibles and got to the UCL SF because...Pep. LOL.

In your own working brain. It is the same Liverpool team that finished 8th in 2010/11 that finished 2nd in 2013/14. LMAO. Funny. The only player from 2010/11 squad that still played in 2013/14 was Steven Gerrard. But in a bid to lie that Liverpool overachieved in 2014, see yourself?

History will show that your working brain agreed that Pep had the same quality of squad with Tottenham and Liverpool of 2015/16. Which was better than Mourinho's team that won the league with 95pts.

History will show that your working brain compared a CFC squad with Petrescu, RDM and George Weah to one that had Makelele, Lampard, Hasselbaink in their prime. To argue that finishing 2nd in 2003/4 was an over achievement since CFC squad level should have been 5th (based on 1999/2000). To spite Pep.

But your brain is working and mine is not. Ok . Ok.

You have been drawing my POV into your discussion with Larride which he might not have subscribed to then. In another post back then, I clearly acknowledged that for the sake of argument we can sometime try to stretch things. I believed that Manchester United team then had the capability to compete with Pep's team after placing the respective players side by side but I admit I was overstretching it. For instance, I always believed Mata can be our Silva whilst Valencia and Walker were similar players. I thought Pogba could be our De Bruyne and Lukaku could score the goals we needed just as De Gea was superior to their keeper then but to be honest, I judged Mata using his output for Chelsea same way I did for Lukaku assuming that if he scored goals playing for a lesser talented Everton side, he could do better with Manchester United but no, things didn't quite work out as I thought...

The performance of the respective players over the past couple of years goes to show that I was wrong thus my position then shouldn't be used as a yardstick in your exchange with Larride who probably held a divergent opinion. I believe Pep's input improved the likes of Walker and to some extent Sterling but players like David Silva, Aguero, De Bruyne and Fernandinho were already established and formed the core of his team. Manchester United like many other clubs didn't have that core base or the players were already aging and I believe it's what Larride is trying to point out to you.

Eruditor:


15 apps or starts?

Functioning brain should know the difference.

Look at what you wrote and what I wrote, you should be bold enough to take the bet.

50k and I will show you 5 players that had 15 apps in the league.

Deal?

patrickmuf:
You have been drawing my POV into your discussion with Larride which he might not have subscribed to then. In another post back then, I clearly acknowledged that for the sake of argument we can sometime try to stretch things. I believed that Manchester United team then had the capability to compete with Pep's team after placing the respective players side by side but I admit I was overstretching it. For instance, I always believed Mata can be our Silva whilst Valencia and Walker were similar players. I thought Pogba could be our De Bruyne and Lukaku could score the goals we needed just as De Gea was superior to their keeper then but to be honest, I judged Mata using his output for Chelsea same way I did for Lukaku assuming that if he scored goals playing for a lesser talented Everton side, he could do better with Manchester United but no, things didn't quite work out as I thought...

The performance of the respective players over the past couple of years goes to show that I was wrong thus my position then shouldn't be used as a yardstick in your exchange with Larride who probably held a divergent opinion. I believe Pep's input improved the likes of Walker and to some extent Sterling but players like David Silva, Aguero, De Bruyne and Fernandinho were already established and formed the core of his team. Manchester United like many other clubs didn't have that core base or the players were already aging and I believe it's what Larride is trying to point out to you.

Like I said, you are courteous so I won't even try to shred this. What I will remind you is I asked you will anyone argue that Salah of Klopp and Mou are the same? Or KdB of Pep and Mou?

You cannot separate the role a manager played in making his players better. That the players you believed in did not achieve what you estimated about them does not make them less than what you estimated.

I submit it to you that if Pep coached Pogba and KdB was in ManU when Mou was there. You will argue that Pogba is better. So I will just let the issue rest.

raumdeuter:


A league of 38 games isn't good enough. Points haul isn't enough its subjective measurement of abilities that is

LOL.

Players abilities become subjective when they have almost the same abilities. There are players that are clearly better than their contemporaries.

Answer this simple question, Was Leicester team that won the league in 15/16 better than City 15/16 team?

If Elruditor like, he should continue typing these long epistles from now till May, it will still END IN TEARS (hands in peppersoup)

Ibime:
If Elruditor like, he should continue typing these long epistles from now till May, it will still END IN TEARS (hands in peppersoup)

Even if I type 2 lines it will be an epistle.

You are lucky I have lost Streetwise's number.