atoleybaba:
so the America that don't mess with it citizen how many times av u heard that their doc forced a medical treatment on a child when d parent refused that treatment for their child? Seriously? Baby killer Is this meant to hurt or be an insult? Cos it sounds silly

You won't hear they forced any kid because their parents don't have a say baby killer. They will give the babies the blood transfusion and their parents can't make pim.

Be there and be allowing your gb deceive you. You are in Nigeria choosing death for your baby instead while they are in America where govt takes over their babies while they get blood transfusion.

You are a baby killer na.

Hairyrapunzel:


Children below 18yrs should die because their parents want them dead because they are obeying laws of their leaders abi? Baby killer

u again....who said d child should die? What guarantee do u even av that d child won't die if he accepts blood?? Again I will say this, they didn't say d baby should die, they only prefer to seek alternative treatment apart from blood transfusion. Which I doubt it is against d law

Worldbest019:
hmm blood abi bone

cut ur skin if na bone go 1st come out and have u seen any major surgery without d doctor not asking for blood?

Hairyrapunzel:


So paul made a new law different from the mosaic law right?

Abstain from blood. Abstain from seeing abstain from touching abstain from eating abstain

Abstain from everything blood. Abstain from blood products or components or fractions.


Let's be sly together intact let's assume for paul. He must have meant what we are thinking.

You know he said abstain from fornication too. Since you assume blood fractions from blood donated by worldly people is ok what fraction of fornication should we accept?

Baby killer

Here he goes again!

atoleybaba:
toh, suit yourself with the name calling, still doesn't make a difference in stopping Jehovah's witnesses in following God's commandments concerning blood whether the world does it or not....

God's commands or nathan knorrs command? Lol
God commanded you to refuse blood transfusion for your kids but said you should accept blood fractions/components which are gotten from blood donated by worldly people.

Your god is a sick psychopath and a murderer rather no God made these laws its your leaders that said God made the law

Mariangeles:

Christianity is not against saving lives through blood transfusion, that is why Christians donate blood for free as a service to humanity .

We can come to the safe conclusion that she didn't provide a scriptural backing for her opinion, neither did u. What does the Bible say about use of blood? Have u taken note of this scripture at Leviticus 17:10: "If any man of the house of Israel or any foreigner who is residing in your midst EATS any sort blood, I will certainly set my face against the one who is eating the blood, and I will cut him off from among his people".
God knew that such time when the use of blood transfusion would come, hence in Acts 15:20 says: "but to write to them to abstain from from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from what is strangled, and from blood". At verse 29 of Acts 15, it says: "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. IF YOU KEEP THESE THINGS, YOU WILL PROSPER. GOOD HEALTH TO YOU"
Have u come across these scriptures?
CC Olajumoke11

atoleybaba:
u again....who said d child should die? What guarantee do u even av that d child won't die if he accepts blood?? Again I will say this, they didn't say d baby should die, they only prefer to seek alternative treatment apart from blood transfusion. Which I doubt it is against d law

This child is alive and recovering.
What's the guarantee that the child will survive if he doesn't get blood transfusion?


The question can go both ways. When there is no alternative treatment for the baby ? When you don't know management of children with jaundice keep quiet. Stop listening to illiterates who have no idea on mgt of jaundice.


Thanks to LASG the child didn't have to die because of the parents beliefs.

This JW are so awkward in their beliefs.


They dont celebrate birthdays and dont take birthday goodies. But their girls shack beer.
They dont marry outside their religion
They dont sing praises
They don't do blood transfusion

DavidEsq:

We can come to the safe conclusion that she didn't provide a scriptural backing for her opinion, neither did u. What does the Bible say about use of blood? Have u taken note of this scripture at Leviticus 17:10: "If any man of the house of Israel or any foreigner who is residing in your midst EATS any sort blood, I will certainly set my face against the one who is eating the blood, and I will cut him off from among his people".
God knew that such time when the use of blood transfusion would come, hence in Acts 15:20 says: "but to write to them to abstain from from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from what is strangled, and from blood". At verse 29 of Acts 15, it says: "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. IF YOU KEEP THESE THINGS, YOU WILL PROSPER. GOOD HEALTH TO YOU"
Have u come across these scriptures?
CC Olajumoke11

But you stylishly removed the part that said it was the animals killed for food and animals used for sacrifice.

Still you cant pin point a passage that says blood transfusion is bad or do not get a blood transfusion

Bacteriologist:


It will interest you that "many witnesses out there" too don't know the Bible. They only bask in what your leaders have instructed/allowed them to know about the Bible. Reading the Bible and understanding it often leads one to become faithless. (As is was in my case.)

So don't ascribe that much glory on them just yet.

I don't have regard for the Bible because it endorses slavery, genocide, tribalism, homophobia, deceit and incredulity. Do you have regard for the Bible? If yes, why?

@d bolded. If that's the case, you may neva understand where the witnesses are coming from cos they believe in the total authority of the bible in this issue and others.

Are you a scientist? (You moniker suggests) On the menu for the meetings this week were 2 videos where 2 scientist got to explain why they dropped their belief in evolution and embraced creation. Besides science itself, the study of the bible was a compelling reason. If you can/may, pls look up those videos.

Now on whether i hv regard for the bible, the answer is a strong yes.

At first i just regarded it cos i was told to. But after a thorough study with the aid of the "teach book", I could then understand and defend my regard for that book. Till date chapter 2 remains my favorite in that book. Reading and doing a third party research on the fulfilment of Isaiah's prophesy and some others, left an overwhelming effect on me that can never be taken away.

I still dont understand how a study of the same bible made you faithless. Care to elucidate? Pls?

Masking:

That wasn't really Paul. It was d GB.

You sound read. You must be following up on adjustments made on the issues of blood transfusion.

Yes abstain from whole blood, abstain from components.

Now witnesses are not zombies. Like Boreans in the book of Thessolonians, they read the bible thoroughly and build their individual consciences.

Now some of these witnesses argue that certain fractions of blood, after some filtration/seperation can no longer be considered blood, and science agrees. Afterall, these fractions are present in some drugs, some health processes like dialysis, neo-natal feeding etc

These arguments seem sound, and the GB agrees that if your conscience allows you, by all means, suit yourself. So some witness go for fractions, others insist that blood is blood and would not accept fractions of even their own blood.

When people who don't know call JWs a cult. I just laugh. The bible is the common manual for every witness as should be. In cases where the bible does not give a clear command, prayerfully follow your conscience.

Each witness is guided by their own personal convinctions. That is hardly a feature of a cult

What part of the bible says that after filtering it is no longer blood?


For blood transfusion ban you quote bible
For blood fraction acceptance you quote science/secular sources.

Lol
What fraction of fornication is acceptable man?

Authoreety:
Respect people's belief

For those quoting me;
I'm not in support of the parents stance, but we should mind what we say or do about what others believe in

Keep quiet,there

headTO:
so you are a braindirty sensible. Learn not to talk like a slowpoke when u have problem with people's belief. Can you show me where in the scripture we were commanded to take blood as a form of treatment?

Can you show me where we were told to go to school , do our assignments, exercise our body , build airplanes etc

Hairyrapunzel:


What part of the bible says that after filtering it is no longer blood?


For blood transfusion ban you quote bible
For blood fraction acceptance you quote science/secular sources.

Lol
What fraction of fornication is acceptable man?

This is serious na
Don’t make me laugh na
Na abeg I carry beg you

atoleybaba:
u again....who said d child should die? What guarantee do u even av that d child won't die if he accepts blood?? Again I will say this, they didn't say d baby should die, they only prefer to seek alternative treatment apart from blood transfusion. Which I doubt it is against d law

Baby killer you have changed mouth? Doctor said to manage the baby, it needs EBT while parents said no they need alternatives
Doctor then said no alternatives as EBT is the only mgt option to avoid further damage by bilirubin.

Parents said no because their religion forbids it so LASG took case and doctors treated.

Who really wants the child to die? The parents because of their religious beliefs.

Hairyrapunzel:


Baby killer you have changed mouth? Doctor said to manage the baby, it needs EBT while parents said no they need alternatives
Doctor then said no alternatives as EBT is the only mgt option to avoid further damage by bilirubin.

Parents said no because their religion forbids it so LASG took case and doctors treated.

Who really wants the child to die? The parents because of their religious beliefs.

ok

Hairyrapunzel:



But you stylishly removed the part that said it was the animals killed for food and animals used for sacrifice.

Still you cant pin point a passage that says blood transfusion is bad or do not get a blood transfusion

So to "correct" me u shld have included what was "stylishly" omitted.

Hairyrapunzel:


What part of the bible says that after filtering it is no longer blood?


For blood transfusion ban you quote bible
For blood fraction acceptance you quote science/secular sources.

Lol
What fraction of fornication is acceptable man?

Jehovahs witnesses follow the instructions in the bible to the letter.

In situations where science/man made laws are at variance with God's law law, what gives??

On the issues of fractions, which of Jah's laws is it at variance with? For that reason man, it becomes a matter of conscience. Do you understand?

On the issue of fornication fractions, maybe if you identified the fractions, i can tell you what d bible says

Hairyrapunzel:



Give us the new treatment for treating severe hyperbilirubinemia?

The one jws were championing as a replacement for blood transfusion has been banned because of the number of deaths it caused.

Smiling....mention that one we championed that is band my brother..
But to tickle your fancy,i will set u straight.hyperbilirubinemia is just excess bilirubin in the blood,leave English,bilirubin is a byproduct of breakdown of blood cells and shld be removed from the body.but when a new baby is unable to do so itself,it leads to hyperbilirunemia or jaundice.
Now in your house,when your gutter is not flowing,and the water stinks.do u pack the stinking water n pump in fresh clean ones or do you unblock the flow .
Blood transfusion does not treat the underlying cause of jaundice my friend,it doesn't fix liver malfunction,it doesn't fix Rh disease,breatfeeding failures and other causes of hyperbilirubinemia.transfusion is treating a symptom while watching the cause, no wonder transfused children re often brought for more transfusion in the future.
Now explore modern medicine in phototherapy,fiber optic blankets,the six months exclusive breastfeeding program, liver malfunction and Rh disease treatment etc,this is how modern medicine tackle the causes not the symptoms.i have not mentioned the risk factors associated with transfusion yet.it could update your knowledge sir...meanwhile,do you even know why OJB jezreel eventually died after his transplant?...many many things this lazy,greedy doctors hide from us my brother...make informed decision for yourself and loved ones

Masking:


@d bolded. If that's the case, you may neva understand where the witnesses are coming from cos they believe in the total authority of the bible in this issue and others.

If discarding a book that supports slavery means I will not understand a minority group of religious extremists. Then so be it. However that means you also can't understand where extremist Muslims are "coming from" when they do stuff like kill people or blow people up because the Quran says so.

Masking:

Are you a scientist? (You moniker suggests) On the menu for the meetings this week were 2 videos where 2 scientist got to explain why they dropped their belief in evolution and embraced creation.

I cannot understand what evolution has got to do with this but anyway you're making a fallacy called the agreement from authority. That 2 scientists discredit evolution doesn't automatically make evolution false. You will still have to demonstrate why evolution is false and why creation is true.

That Trump and Buhari stop drinking coffee or stop wearing clothes does not automatically make drinking coffee and wearing clothes false or inappropriate. To convince me, you will still have to show why both actions are not appropriate before I accept it. So that's why your premise is fallacious and unequivocally false.

Masking:


Besides science itself, the study of the bible was a compelling reason. If you can/may, pls look up those videos.

Your book says the Earth is 6000 years old even though we have, through several methods, found stones that are as old as 10 million years old. How do you reconcile that? The Bible is merely a book that is largely unscientific and it perfectly exhibits the mentality of stone age goat herders in the dark ages. The Bible is totally flawed in the face of scientific scrutiny. But it is understandable considering the time it was written.

Masking:


Now on whether i hv regard for the bible, the answer is a strong yes.

At first i just regarded it cos i was told to.

Right. So does it ever occur to you that if you were initially told to regard the Quran you would most likely be defending Islam today?

Put simply you were indoctrinated but I appreciate your honesty.

Masking:

But after a thorough study with the aid of the "teach book", I could then understand and defend my regard for that book. Till date chapter 2 remains my favorite in that book. Reading and doing a third party research on the fulfilment of Isaiah's prophesy and some others, left an overwhelming effect on me that can never be taken away.

I still dont understand how a study of the same bible made you faithless. Care to elucidate? Pls?

LIKE I've said earlier; after discovering that the Bible supported slavery, misogyny, genocidal killings, tribalism and deliberate scientific ignorance.

I found out that it was best I admitted the truth that it was drafted by ancient men who knew nothing about the earth at the time and tag it only exists today as a control tool.

Why do you ignore these obvious truths in the Bible?

DWJOBScom:


This is serious na
Don’t make me laugh na
Na abeg I carry beg you

They think everyone is foolish like them. Shey you see their level of hypocrisy?

They have left bible to use secular sources. I just think one of their leaders needed fractions so they changed the laws for their own benefit. Lol

this is what putin saw and labelled these people extremists.....smh

xaggar:


Nobody wants their kid dead. Stop being myopic. Medically there may be other ways.

why am I even suprised ? pls kindly fck off ...God bless you

Okay

Let them not claim the baby when it turn a healthy bby

The mother is a shameless mother

Bacteriologist:


If discarding a book that supports slavery means I will not understand a minority group of religious extremists. Then so be it. However that means you also can't understand where extremist Muslims are "coming from" when they do stuff like kill people or blow people up because the Quran says so.





I cannot understand what evolution has got to do with this but anyway you're making a fallacy called the agreement from authority. That 2 scientists discredit evolution doesn't automatically make evolution false. You will still have to demonstrate why evolution is false and why creation is true.

That Trump and Buhari stop drinking coffee or stop wearing clothes does not automatically make drinking coffee and wearing clothes false or inappropriate. To convince me, you will still have to show why both actions are not appropriate before I accept it. So that's why your premise is fallacious and unequivocally false.




Your book says the Earth is 6000 years old even though we have, through several methods, found stones that are as old as 10 million years old. How do you reconcile that? The Bible is merely a book that is largely unscientific and it perfectly exhibits the mentality of stone age goat herders in the dark ages. The Bible is totally flawed in the face of scientific scrutiny. But it is understandable considering the time it was written.




Right. So does it ever occur to you that if you were initially told to regard the Quran you would most likely be defending Islam today?

Put simply you were indoctrinated but I appreciate your honesty.




LIKE I've said earlier; after discovering that the Bible supported slavery, misogyny, genocidal killings, tribalism and deliberate scientific ignorance.

I found out that it was best I admitted the truth that it was drafted by ancient men who knew nothing about the earth at the time and tag it only exists today as a control tool.

Why do you ignore these obvious truths in the Bible?

Which book? The bible or JW publications?
Cos neither does. This screenshot is from this weeks meeting.

If the bible were truly written by ancient men, and not by inspiration from God(2timothy 3:16), how were the writers in the olden days able to decipher those scientifically proven truths recorded in job 26:7 and Isaiah 40:22?? Cos even hundreds of years after, people still thought the earth was flat and being held by 2 turtles.

I still dont get how the bible supports genocide/slavery? Are you talking about warfare in isreal?

Cos the bible clearly shows d law was only a tutor, but you are now under grace, d law of christ

Hairyrapunzel:



But you stylishly removed the part that said it was the animals killed for food and animals used for sacrifice.

Still you cant pin point a passage that says blood transfusion is bad or do not get a blood transfusion

I do not believe God's word is up for debate. This is because Romans 10:2,3 explain your stand very much. It also appears u have not convinced yourself on your position on those verses u seek to expatiate.

Deandean:


Smiling....mention that one we championed that is band my brother..
But to tickle your fancy,i will set u straight.hyperbilirubinemia is just excess bilirubin in the blood,leave English,bilirubin is a byproduct of breakdown of blood cells and shld be removed from the body.but when a new baby is unable to do so itself,it leads to hyperbilirunemia or jaundice.
Now in your house,when your gutter is not flowing,and the water stinks.do u pack the stinking water n pump in fresh clean ones or do you unblock the flow .
Blood transfusion does not treat the underlying cause of jaundice my friend,it doesn't fix liver malfunction,it doesn't fix Rh disease,breatfeeding failures and other causes of hyperbilirubinemia.transfusion is treating a symptom while watching the cause, no wonder transfused children re often brought for more transfusion in the future.
Now explore modern medicine in phototherapy,fiber optic blankets,the six months exclusive breastfeeding program, liver malfunction and Rh disease treatment etc,this is how modern medicine tackle the causes not the symptoms.i have not mentioned the risk factors associated with transfusion yet.it could update your knowledge sir...meanwhile,do you even know why OJB jezreel eventually died after his transplant?...many many things this lazy,greedy doctors hide from us my brother...make informed decision for yourself and loved ones

Trash trash trash.
Phototherapy for unconjugated bilirubin greater than 20mg/dl in a new born

Baby killer.

Informed decision because you know more than the neonatologists when it comes to your newborns with jaundice.

Baby killer

DavidEsq:

I do not believe God's word is up for debate. This is because Romans 10:2,3 explain your stand very much. It also appears u have not convinced yourself on your position on those verses u seek to expatiate.

Gods word is not for debate but you quote secular sources when you want to accept blood fractions/components gotten from blood donated by worldly people. Lol

Masking:


Which book? The bible or JW publications?
Cos neither does. This screenshot is from this weeks meeting.

If the bible were truly written by ancient men, and not by inspiration from God(2timothy 3:16), how were the writers in the olden days able to decipher those scientifically proven truths recorded in job 26:7 and Isaiah 40:22?? Cos even hundreds of years after, people still thought the earth was flat and being held by 2 turtles.

I still dont get how the bible supports genocide/slavery? Are you talking about warfare in isreal?

Cos the bible clearly shows d law was only a tutor, but you are now under grace, d law of christ

Not needed. Forums like this is never the best way to teach the truth. No matter how reasonable you sound, you’ll only be speaking into the air. @Deandean gave a very reasonable answer but they’ll all avoid it like a plague

Ifakiland:
The main problem with this country is people forming their beliefs on others, thinking theirs is the best. Now you've subjected the baby to a life of neglect and hate, cos now people dat are supposed to show it love will show it hatred cos of the blood transfusion, it will be treated as an outcast.
For the people saying the right thing was done, I hope you can adopt the child when her parents finally rejects her... Hypos.

so what do you suggest the govt to do? They should allow the baby to die because she will be treated as an outcast abi?

Deandean:


Smiling....mention that one we championed that is band my brother..
But to tickle your fancy,i will set u straight.hyperbilirubinemia is just excess bilirubin in the blood,leave English,bilirubin is a byproduct of breakdown of blood cells and shld be removed from the body.but when a new baby is unable to do so itself,it leads to hyperbilirunemia or jaundice.
Now in your house,when your gutter is not flowing,and the water stinks.do u pack the stinking water n pump in fresh clean ones or do you unblock the flow .
Blood transfusion does not treat the underlying cause of jaundice my friend,it doesn't fix liver malfunction,it doesn't fix Rh disease,breatfeeding failures and other causes of hyperbilirubinemia.transfusion is treating a symptom while watching the cause, no wonder transfused children re often brought for more transfusion in the future.
Now explore modern medicine in phototherapy,fiber optic blankets,the six months exclusive breastfeeding program, liver malfunction and Rh disease treatment etc,this is how modern medicine tackle the causes not the symptoms.i have not mentioned the risk factors associated with transfusion yet.it could update your knowledge sir...meanwhile,do you even know why OJB jezreel eventually died after his transplant?...many many things this lazy,greedy doctors hide from us my brother...make informed decision for yourself and loved ones

Exchange blood transfusion. Remove the baby's blood and put donors blood simple.

When you don't know ask. No be only phototherapy or fibre optics or exclusive breastfeeding for 6months in a newborn.

You guys are just psychopaths. No wonder JW doctors never go into paediatrics cos they are potential baby killers