aumeehn:
We muslims are truly blessed. This thread changed my life wallahi. I dont know that all i need to succeed in this life and the heareafter is inside the Quran that i always keep in my room. There was a prayer my Old man who happens to be a Modibbo gave me few months ago. Fast Seven days and Recite 25 Waqee'a inbetween all the five obligatory salats. On the last day of the fast one should recite 50 of the said surah instead of the normal 25. Making it 1k in one week. Honestly i'm feeling and experincing the result of that prayer.. Please Sheik Empiree i know that posting some things here is not healthy since its a public forum but help us and be dropping one or two Nakali for Those of us that have made up our minds to do it no matter the challenges. Thank you.

What is your take on Praying for a non muslim?? Something like Using Islamic Nakali to help a non muslim. I hope you understand the question.

Salam alaykum brother.. Will you desist from eating anything that comes out of an animal.e g egg,meat cheese.
Where will you put your intention and what is the purpose of these dua?

Excel70:

Salam alaykum brother.. Will you desist from eating anything that comes out of an animal.e g egg,meat cheese.
Where will you put your intention and what is the purpose of these dua?

wa'alaiku mussalam. You just fast the normal way. Your intention depends on what you want from Allah, so mine might differ from yours. Just that after that prayer before a year elapse you will see progress in whatever you are doing. Suratul Waqee'a as you know is the surah of wealth there's even a hadith that said so. So if you want money recite suratul waqee'a daily non stop.

aumeehn:
wa'alaiku mussalam. You just fast the normal way. Your intention depends on what you want from Allah, so mine might differ from yours. Just that after that prayer before a year elapse you will see progress in whatever you are doing. Suratul Waqee'a as you know is the surah of wealth there's even a hadith that said so. So if you want money recite suratul waqee'a daily non stop.

Jazakhumullahi khayran for the explanation I know of it in another format that is why asked.would share if you don't mind

Excel70:

Jazakhumullahi khayran for the explanation I know of it in another format that is why asked.would share if you don't mind

Go ahead please.

aumeehn:
Go ahead please.

It is almost the same thing but you will desist from eating animal product On the last day you will recite 150 after isha and recite any durood 1000times and go to bed.

Pls @ Excel pls help us write the Dua here

Excel70:

It is almost the same thing but you will desist from eating animal product On the last day you will recite 150 after isha and recite any durood 1000times and go to bed.

thank you very much for this brother!! I will be reciting the kuthba like 7 times after each recitation! Thanks jazakhallahu khairan.

Asalam alaykum
Please I need Duas
For a brother hoping to get married ASAP no matter the hurdle.

Cus honestly it seems so difficult to find a sister of my choice thats willing.

YUNGCONCEPT11:
Pls @ Excel pls help us write the Dua here

Salam alaykum bro, I am sorry for the late reply. you will start the prayer on a Friday readingsurah waqiah 25 times after each obligatory prayer.On the next Friday recite 150 after ishai and 1000salawat on the PROPHET.
Note : fast for the seven days desist from eating anything of animal origin(milk,egg,meat,e.t.c)
You can try aumheen own it is easier. This is just another format.

Dreydoe:
Asalam alaykum
Please I need Duas
For a brother hoping to get married ASAP no matter the hurdle.

Cus honestly it seems so difficult to find a sister of my choice thats willing.

Salam Alaikum.

This dua is from surah Yasin.

Q36:81, 82, 83
1. For verse 81, recite it and then answer (in any language that is easy for you) by saying: "YES", Allah is able to do all this and also (.........) mention your hurdle in the brackets; then also recite ALLAHU -AL KHALAAQUL ALIM, YA-QADIR.
2. Continue recitation into verse 82 and at its end, (in any language that is easy for you) say: "By the powers You granted the letters KAF and NUN, Allah please ......... (mention your hurdle).
3. Continue recitation into verse 83 and at its end, say: "Subhanallah Wa Alhamdulillah - Allahu Malik Ul Mulk.

NOTE: You can choose to recite the whole surah and then follow the above when you get there or just take only the three verses above and recite.
You can recite as much as you are able to. The most important thing here is your intention, Iman and Yaqin.
Try to make it as frequent as possible, preferably during Tahajjud.
You may also recite anytime sitting, standing, laying down, driving, etc. It is up to you what you prefer.
Do sadaka as often as you can and no matter how little.
May Allah grant you your heart's request, Amin.

movado19:



Salam Alaikum.

This dua is from surah Yasin.

Q36:81, 82, 83
1. For verse 81, recite it and then answer (in any language that is easy for you) by saying: "YES", Allah is able to do all this and also (.........) mention your hurdle in the brackets; then also recite ALLAHU -AL KHALAAQUL ALIM, YA-QADIR.
2. Continue recitation into verse 82 and at its end, (in any language that is easy for you) say: "By the powers You granted the letters KAF and NUN, Allah please ......... (mention your hurdle).
3. Continue recitation into verse 83 and at its end, say: "Subhanallah Wa Alhamdulillah - Allahu Malik Ul Mulk.

NOTE: You can choose to recite the whole surah and then follow the above when you get there or just take only the three verses above and recite.
You can recite as much as you are able to. The most important thing here is your intention, Iman and Yaqin.
Try to make it as frequent as possible, preferably during Tahajjud.
You may also recite anytime sitting, standing, laying down, driving, etc. It is up to you what you prefer.
Do sadaka as often as you can and no matter how little.
May Allah grant you your heart's request, Amin.

Amin... jazakallah khairan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vavpCKpNhXk

Assalamu Alaikum Brothers, i lost my grandfather and and teacher Modibbo Iya who passed away on 14th after a brief illness at the age of 97. Please put him in your prayers. I remember the last prayer he gave before his demise, recite waqee'a 41 fatiha 41 after Magrib prayers for 41 days! Allah will grant you all your wishes no matter how. I was waiting for him to find one of his books where he kept the sirri of fatiha and Basmalah but as Allah will have it he left us! May Allah grant him Jannatul Firdaus.

May Allah forgive his shortcomings and grant him jannatul firdaos. So painful.

aumeehn:
Assalamu Alaikum Brothers, i lost my grandfather and and teacher Modibbo Iya who passed away on 14th after a brief illness at the age of 97. Please put him in your prayers. I remember the last prayer he gave before his demise, recite waqee'a 41 fatiha 41 after Magrib prayers for 41 days! Allah will grant you all your wishes no matter how. I was waiting for him to find one of his books where he kept the sirri of fatiha and Basmalah but as Allah will have it he left us! May Allah grant him Jannatul Firdaus.

pm
May Allah forgive him his shortcomings and grant him Al jannatu firdaus. Is 41 waqeea and fathia possible before the time of ishai.,

Excel70:
pm
May Allah forgive him his shortcomings and grant him Al jannatu firdaus. Is 41 waqeea and fathia possible before the time of ishai.,

Ameen Ameen!
if you cant finish it before Isha'i then pray and continue, but you have to be seated where you are praying until you finish it.

Razram:
May Allah forgive his shortcomings and grant him jannatul firdaos. So painful.

Ameen Ameen! It was indeed painful. He left when we needed him most, he dont walk with a stick, neither deaf nor blind very strong old man.

.

aumeehn:
Ameen Ameen!
if you cant finish it before Isha'i then pray and continue, but you have to be seated where you are praying until you finish it.

Jazakhumullahi khayran the fathia should be before the waqeea right?
I guess your grandfather is not that tall in height

Tessyy1701:
Alhajiemeritus

Ladkud


Ladunal


It's been long we've heard from You. Hope You are on this thread and in good health....



@Empiree, Movado19, Bakar1

Please attend to My first question

Alhamdulilahi...
I've been off nairaland for a while, I just logged back in.
Thanks for asking.

Empiree:
Jalabi ( جالب) or healing or شفاء

Let's discuss this controversial topic that is causing so much brouhaha in yorubaland. What is your definition and and understanding of this topic in Islam. Some said there is no jalabi in islam. Some said the kalima itself does not exist, hence it cant be used even if definition is right. Some simply dont like the name. Some believe it is mix and needs sorting etc. Some believe without doubt that it is in islam backed by Quran and Sunnah.

I have my opinions about this Jalabi, but I don't know if the discussion is still open because, it was a last year thread.

Alhajiemeritus:

I have my opinions about this Jalabi, but I don't know if the discussion is still open because, it was a last year thread.

absolutely open. Pls contribute

aumeehn:
Assalamu Alaikum Brothers, i lost my grandfather and and teacher Modibbo Iya who passed away on 14th after a brief illness at the age of 97. Please put him in your prayers. I remember the last prayer he gave before his demise, recite waqee'a 41 fatiha 41 after Magrib prayers for 41 days! Allah will grant you all your wishes no matter how. I was waiting for him to find one of his books where he kept the sirri of fatiha and Basmalah but as Allah will have it he left us! May Allah grant him Jannatul Firdaus.

May Allah forgive his shortcomings and grant him jannatul firdaus.

In Yoruba Jalabis, there are issues of gberre sinsin( making incisions), preparing aseje (making concotions) and sometimes ipese sise (making sacrifices). These are all parts of Yoruba beliefs which I am aware of, how they sifted into Islam or whether they are accepted in Islam, I do not know, because there are different opinions of scholars on that.
The one that is most baffling, I witnessed an Alfa Jalabi chanting incantations during a session for one of his clients..
His statement went thus.."Ela rowa, Ela rowa , Orunmila rowa". he now continued with the narrative of how Orunmila was going amongst enemies blablabla....
I am quite versed in Yoruba Traditional Religion and I was dumbfounded when this Alfa Jalabi used it during his session...
This is my humble submission on the issue of Jalabi in Yoruba land, the one I have encountered and quite familiar with, it is indeed a combination of Yoruba Traditional Religion and Islam.
‌@empiree

Alhajiemeritus:
In Yoruba Jalabis, there are issues of gberre sinsin( making incisions), preparing aseje (making concotions) and sometimes ipese sise (making sacrifices). These are all parts of Yoruba beliefs which I am aware of, how they sifted into Islam or whether they are accepted in Islam, I do not know, because there are different opinions of scholars on that.
The one that is most baffling, I witnessed an Alfa Jalabi chanting incantations during a session for one of his clients..
His statement went thus.."Ela rowa, Ela rowa , Orunmila rowa". he now continued with the narrative of how Orunmila was going amongst enemies blablabla....
I am quite versed in Yoruba Traditional Religion and I was dumbfounded when this Alfa Jalabi used it during his session...
This is my humble submission on the issue of Jalabi in Yoruba land, the one I have encountered and quite familiar with, it is indeed a combination of Yoruba Traditional Religion and Islam.
‌@empi.ree

First all, since we talking about islamic issue here, Jalabi (yoruba ascent) is in islam in itself in essence. I am only gonna emphasize on the essence as I did previous years. It is proven from Quran and Sunnah that it exist in islam, Jalib. So from islamic point of view, Jalabi means iwosan, period. Iwosan is simply divided into two; physical and spiritual. The Quran is not only a guidance for mankind but Allah has also made it a spiritual cure and healing for all types of ailments. This includes treatment of all worldly problems, physical and psychological ailments, and spiritual (evil eye, sihr, and so on.) Allah has clearly told us that the words of the Quran are a “shifa” (healing) for all and, therefore, when used with real belief in one’s heart, this form of treatment can bring miraculous cure to all forms of ailments. Allah says in the Quran:


And We send down of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe… (Quran, Surah Al-Israa, 17:82)


As for other forms of treatment, Islam does not discourage the use of treatments available to us through medical and other sciences. On the contrary, the use of such treatments is encouraged by the teachings of the noble prophet (s.a.w.) who sought the treatment of illnesses and diseases for himself and urged his followers to do the same. Thus, seeking medical treatment for the cure of diseases is part of the prophet’s tradition.


The Noble Nabi said:

“For every disease there is a medicine, and if that medicine is applied to the disease, he will recover by Allah’s Leave.” And he (s.a.w.) said: “Allah has not sent down any disease but He has also sent down the cure; the one who knows it, knows it and the one who does not know it, does not know it.”


Based on the above, it is clear that Islamic teachings fully support the use of all forms of treatment because the underlying principle is that Allah has created cures for all diseases. The key is to ensure that the right type of treatment is applied for the right type of ailment. The only condition in Islam is that all forms of treatment are allowed as long as they are not haram (against Islamic teachings).

So based on this we can infer that any forms of medicines used by Alfa in yorubaland are okay PROVIDED they are not haram. Allah created us in yorubaland knowing too well what goes on in our community that other communities don't have like West and Arabs . This is why Alfas in yorubaland sometimes use the same elements used by traditional worshippers. For instance, elewe omo where they sell both haram and halal. Babalawo, Alfa, Pastors go to them to buy their needs. Going there is not the problem at all. Problem is what you buy and what it is used for. We all go to supermarkets regardless of what we beliefs, isnt?. So in yorubaland there are some ailments they never heard of in western and arab world. We have these ailments and we have cures for them without having to seek medical experts abroad.


With regards to this phrase that I highlighted above, "Ela rowa, Ela rowa , Orunmila rowa", if i tell you that i never heard of it before I would be lying to you but I never heard of it in real life except movies and till this moment i have no idea what it means, wallahi. All i can say is that it is incantation. We have incantation in islam. It is called ruqya in arabic and ofo in yoruba. But we yoruba people are ashamed of our language sometimes due to attribute(s) given to them. If you mentioned "ofo" to your fellow yoruba people they simply assume you are alawo etc but that's very wrong. Ofo is simply "word" we utter. So islam does not forbade ofo in as much it is not shirk or haram. I will appreciate if you can tell me the meaning of "Ela rowa, Ela rowa , Orunmila rowa" in order for me to determine whether it is halal or haram. As for Orunmila, there is nothing divine about him. He was simply a human being. They coined the word. Orunmila means Orun (ohun) lo mo eni ti o ma la. You can translate that to english. Problem however is that, yoruba traditionalists have taken credit for seemingly innocent words or phrases and turned them into some sort of deities which is why average muslims would love to distance themselves from some of these yoruba nonsense including myself.


See all these things, gberre sinsin( making incisions), preparing aseje (making concoctions) and sometimes ipese sise (making sacrifices) they aren't shirk for as long as you dont make them shirk. They are used for ruqya or iwosan in yorubaland. Alfa, alawo or pastor can use it. But if it has to do with kadara, then I have problem with that bcus anything that has to do with kadara, we already have many dua we can do. Dua can cure bad kadara but dua alone can not and will not cure ailment bcus we aren't prophets and we are given green light to use medicines for cure of ailments. So if you see a muslim who is sick and refuses to see doctor or get medical attention and only relies on dua, such is ignorant.

So gbere sinsin back in the days had to do with curing ailments (not really something serious). Many of us have it on our faces. Usually it was due to giri (tremor, shock) etc. They quickly get hold of the baby and applied gbere they already prepared and baby was alright. This is a known fact. Again, it boils down to as long as the contents arent haram. Aseje, yes, there are cases like this where this prescription applied. It also has to do with ailment and aseje is recommended. That's, animal (eran igbe), eyele, adiye etc I cited Antar Laniyan as example earlier. But ipese, by the sound of the word itself, it is clear what it means and this is haram. We dont need to mince words. If you prepare ipese, to whom you want to make the sacrifice?. Awon aye, abi?. Nonsense.

If it involves ailment and sacrifice is recommended, it is very simple. I have posted many duas on this platform over the years. The only sacrifice that is permissible here is to organize dua like yasin and the sick person sits or lies down in the middle. We have done this before in the 90s. We organized dua yasin, jabariyyah, khutba etc for Allah to restore the woman's health but this was after physical medicines were applied by us. We organized the prayer to ka se nle and Allah accepted it and restored her health and made sadaqa. This is sacrifice i know. I dont know any sacrifice they take to orita meta. That's shirk. And of course there might be cases of extreme circumstances like i have narrated about Mr. A in this thread, remember?. But that was tira. So some alfa mixed yoruba thing with islam. Again, there is nothing wrong with mixing local medicines and "sunnah" medicine. It is all sunnah as long as nothing haram in it. But if you apply arab culture and arab mentality, you may reject yoruba medicine and want to uphold "sunnah" medicine which i found to be ignorant bcus every country on earth deals with their own certain situation. We are not homogeneous people.

That said, all sorts of ogun (vooodoo) that have to do with kadara like ose awure, ose itaja, afaro, aworo, agbelepota, eyonu aye, eyonu agba etc all these are haram and lead to shirk. We have istigfar to replace these things. Eyonu agba ko, eyonu omode ni. All of them are haram but it doesnt mean labelling alfa who does this a kafir. Not at all. With time he will dump them. I was told by my sheikh that the reason some alfa do this in yorubaland is bcus of the way Islam came to them. They might practice islam from their babalawo father, grandfather, uncle etc who reverted to islam and dropped all major activities considered shirk but held on to minor things he considered "oro aye". So narrating orunmila story and all that is nothing as long as he doesnt take orunmila as deity. But all these things i have said have nothing to do with Jalabi. Jalabi is iwosan (both physical and spiritual) and isegun. This is separate. Isegun is halal on the condition i have mentioned. No alfa in history of yoruba condemned isegun. Ebo is what they condemned. So it depends on alfas. They have different fields. Some are strictly about making dua for clients and sacrifice animal to Allah. Some alfas are onisegun but they dont have energy to make long dua. Thats not their area. And some alfa combined both which is the best. My sheikh combined both.

Example, a UK based Nigerian woman in her 60s back in the 90s had stoke. She was brought from UK to nigeria to our house on wheelchair. We went to the market to buy ewe ati egbo and epo igi of different types. These things were used for her and within months she walked back to UK if you know what i mean. Question is, where did my sheikh learn this from?. None. Allah naturally teaches some people by His Divine Wisdom. You just simply know it without going to school. It could be through dream, meditation etc

aumeehn:
Assalamu Alaikum Brothers, i lost my grandfather and and teacher Modibbo Iya who passed away on 14th after a brief illness at the age of 97. Please put him in your prayers. I remember the last prayer he gave before his demise, recite waqee'a 41 fatiha 41 after Magrib prayers for 41 days! Allah will grant you all your wishes no matter how. I was waiting for him to find one of his books where he kept the sirri of fatiha and Basmalah but as Allah will have it he left us! May Allah grant him Jannatul Firdaus.

May Allah forgive your granddad all his lapses and bless him with endless nur and place him in the best company, Amin. So sorry for your loss.

Empiree:
First all, since we talking about islamic issue here, Jalabi (yoruba ascent) is in islam in itself in essence. I am only gonna emphasize on the essence as I did previous years. It is proven from Quran and Sunnah that it exist in islam, Jalib. So from islamic point of view, Jalabi means iwosan, period. Iwosan is simply divided into two; physical and spiritual. The Quran is not only a guidance for mankind but Allah has also made it a spiritual cure and healing for all types of ailments. This includes treatment of all worldly problems, physical and psychological ailments, and spiritual (evil eye, sihr, and so on.) Allah has clearly told us that the words of the Quran are a “shifa” (healing) for all and, therefore, when used with real belief in one’s heart, this form of treatment can bring miraculous cure to all forms of ailments. Allah says in the Quran:


And We send down of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe… (Quran, Surah Al-Israa, 17:82)


As for other forms of treatment, Islam does not discourage the use of treatments available to us through medical and other sciences. On the contrary, the use of such treatments is encouraged by the teachings of the noble prophet (s.a.w.) who sought the treatment of illnesses and diseases for himself and urged his followers to do the same. Thus, seeking medical treatment for the cure of diseases is part of the prophet’s tradition.


The Noble Nabi said:

“For every disease there is a medicine, and if that medicine is applied to the disease, he will recover by Allah’s Leave.” And he (s.a.w.) said: “Allah has not sent down any disease but He has also sent down the cure; the one who knows it, knows it and the one who does not know it, does not know it.”


Based on the above, it is clear that Islamic teachings fully support the use of all forms of treatment because the underlying principle is that Allah has created cures for all diseases. The key is to ensure that the right type of treatment is applied for the right type of ailment. The only condition in Islam is that all forms of treatment are allowed as long as they are not haram (against Islamic teachings).

So based on this we can infer that any forms of medicines used by Alfa in yorubaland are okay PROVIDED they are not haram. Allah created us in yorubaland knowing too well what goes on in our community that other communities don't have like West and Arabs . This is why Alfas in yorubaland sometimes use the same elements used by traditional worshippers. For instance, elewe omo where they sell both haram and halal. Babalawo, Alfa, Pastors go to them to buy their needs. Going there is not the problem at all. Problem is what you buy and what it is used for. We all go to supermarkets regardless of what we beliefs, isnt?. So in yorubaland there are some ailments they never heard of in western and arab world. We have these ailments and we have cures for them without having to seek medical experts abroad.


With regards to this phrase that I highlighted above, "Ela rowa, Ela rowa , Orunmila rowa", if i tell you that i never heard of it before I would be lying to you but I never heard of it in real life except movies and till this moment i have no idea what it means, wallahi. Allah i can say is that it is incantation. We have incantation in islam. It is called ruqya in arabic and ofo in yoruba. But we yoruba people are ashamed of our language sometimes due to attribute(s) given to them. If you mentioned "ofo" to your fellow yoruba people they simply assume you are alawo etc but that's very wrong. Ofo is simply "word" we utter. So islam does not forbade ofo in as much it is not shirk or haram. I will appreciate if you can tell me the meaning of "Ela rowa, Ela rowa , Orunmila rowa" in order for me to determine whether it is halal or haram. As for Orunmila, there is nothing divine about him. He was simply a human being. They coined the word. Orunmila means Orun (ohun) lo mo eni ti o ma la. You can translate that to english. Problem however is that, yoruba traditionalists have taken credit for seemly innocent words or phrases and turned it into some sort of deity which is why average muslims would love to distance themselves from some of these yoruba nonsense including myself.


See all these things, gberre sinsin( making incisions), preparing aseje (making concoctions) and sometimes ipese sise (making sacrifices) they arent shirk for as long as you dont make them shirk. They are used for ruqya or iwosan in yorubaland. Alfa, alawo or pastor can use it. But if it has to do with kadara, then I have problem with that bcus anything that has to do with kadara, we already have many dua we can do. Dua can cure bad kadara but dua alone can not and will not cure ailment bcus we arent prophets and we are given green light to use medicines for cure of ailments. So if you see a muslim who is sick and refuses to see doctor or get medicine and only rely on dua, such is ignorant.

So gbere sinsin back in the days had to do with curing ailments (not really something serious). Many of us have it on our faces. Usually it was due to giri (tremor, shock) etc. They quickly get hold of the baby and applied gbere they already prepared and baby was alright. This is a known fact. Again, it boils down to as long as the contents arent haram. Aseje, yes, there are cases like this where this prescription applied. It also has to do with ailment and aseje is recommended. That's animal (eran igbe), eyele, adiye etc I cited Antar Laniyan as example earlier. But ipese, by the sound of the word itself, it is clear what it means and this is haram. We dont need to mince words. If you prepare ipese, to whom you want to make the sacrifice?. Awon aye, abi?. Nonsense.

If it involves ailment and sacrifice is recommended, it is very simple. I have posted many duas on this platform over the years. The only sacrifice that is permissible here is to organize dua like yasin and the sick person sit or lie down in the middle. We have done this before in the 90s. We organized dua yasin, jabariyya, khutba etc for Allah to restore the woman's health but this was after physical medicines were applied by us. We organized the prayer to ka se nle and Allah accepted it and restored her health and made sadaqa. This is sacrifice i know. I dont know any sacrifice they take to orita meta. That's shirk. And of course there might be cases of extreme circumstances like i have narrated about Mr. A in this thread, remember?. But that was tira. So some alfa mixed yoruba thing with islam. Again, there is nothing wrong with mixing local medicines and "sunnah" medicine. It is all sunnah as long as nothing haram in it. But if you apply arab culture and arab mentality, you may reject yoruba medicine and want to uphold "sunnah" medicine which i found to be ignorant bcus every country on earth deals with their own certain situation. We are not homogeneous people.

That said, all sorts of ogun (vooodoo) that have to do with kadara like ose awure, ose itaja, afaro, aworo, agbelepota, eyonu aye, eyonu agba etc all these are haram and lead to shirk. We have istigfar to replace these things. Eyonu agba ko, eyonu omode ni. All of them are haram but it doesnt mean labelling alfa who does this a kafir. Not at all. With time he will dump them. I was told by my sheikh that the reason some alfa do this in yorubaland is bcus of the way Islam came to them. They might practice islam from their babalawo father, grandfather, uncle etc who reverted to islam and dropped all major activities considered shirk but held on to minor things he consider "oro aye". So narrating orunmila story and all that is nothing as long as he doesnt take orunmila as deity. But all these things i have said have nothing to do with Jalabi. Jalabi is iwosan (both physical and spiritual) and isegun. This is separate. Isegun is halal on the condition i have mentioned. No alfa in history of yoruba condemned isegun. Ebo is what they condemned. So it depends on alfas. They have different fields. Some are strictly about making dua for clients and sacrifice animal to Allah. Some alfas are onisegun but they dont have energy to make long dua. Thats not their area. And some alfa combined both which is the best. My sheikh combined both.

Example, a UK based Nigerian woman in her 60s back in the 90s had stoke. She was brought from UK to nigeria to our house on wheelchair. We went to the market to buy ewe ati egbo and epo igi of different types. These things were used for her and within months she walked back to UK if you know what i mean. Question is, where did my sheikh learn this from?. None. Allah naturally teaches some people by His Divine Wisdom. You just simply know it without going to school. It could be through dream, meditation etc

Q 2:282

وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ

movado19:


Q 2:282

وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ

indeed. What do you think?

Empiree:
indeed. What do you think?

I think and believe that one should be firmly grounded in Fiqh and Shariah in order not to fall away from the straight path when it comes to things such as these.
I clearly understand why the "masses" are not encouraged to delve into certain areas/realms; because they are not equipped with the sort of knowledge to discern what is acceptable or not Islamically...it becomes a sort of slippery slope and a form of trial.
I clearly remember a long time ago when we had someone close who became seriously ill and this man who was very versed Islamically asked one of the people around to enter the bush at a certain time of the day and described the specific plant he needed to prepare the remedy for the illness.
He said the plant only appears during a specific time/hours of the day and after that, it can't be seen again.
Anyway, the leaves were brought to him and he prepared the remedy which the sick guy drank some of and then took a bath with the remainder. It was nothing short of Allah's miracle to see this guy within minutes move around and so agile as if nothing ever happend to him!
This man did not go to any higher institution or herbal school or such for this sort of knowledge. Everything he knew was directly from Allah, but some Muslims will see this and call it haram and even label him a non-muslim, simply because they are not familiar with that sort of knowledge and their claim that it is not stated in the quran or hadith about certain plants appearing and disappearing during certain times of the day; or that the man's belief system on plants and herbs tallies with that of awos/babalawos, etc
As I stated earlier, this sort of knowledge may not be for everyone, but because one does not know or believe in it doesn't make it haram or remove the practitioners out of the fold of Islam, provided they did not call on anyone/dieties other than Allah and are within the confines of Shariah.

Q 18:68 وَكَيْفَ تَصْبِرُ عَلَىٰ مَا لَمْ تُحِطْ بِهِ خُبْرًا

movado19:


I think and believe that one should be firmly grounded in Fiqh and Shariah in order not to fall away from the straight path when it comes to things such as these.
I clearly understand why the "masses" are not encouraged to delve into certain areas/realms; because they are not equipped with the sort of knowledge to discern what is acceptable or not Islamically...it becomes a sort of slippery slope and a form of trial.
I clearly remember a long time ago when we had someone close who became seriously ill and this man who was very versed Islamically asked one of the people around to enter the bush at a certain time of the day and described the specific plant he needed to prepare the remedy for the illness.
He said the plant only appears during a specific time/hours of the day and after that, it can't be seen again.
Anyway, the leaves were brought to him and he prepared the remedy which the sick guy drank some of and then took a bath with the remainder. It was nothing short of Allah's miracle to see this guy within minutes move around and so agile as if nothing ever happend to him!
This man did not go to any higher institution or herbal school or such for this sort of knowledge. Everything he knew was directly from Allah, but some Muslims will see this and call it haram and even label him a non-muslim, simply because they are not familiar with that sort of knowledge and their claim that it is not stated in the quran or hadith about certain plants appearing and disappearing during certain times of the day; or that the man's belief system on plants and herbs tallies with that of awos/babalawos, etc
As I stated earlier, this sort of knowledge may not be for everyone, but because one does not know or believe in it doesn't make it haram or remove the practitioners out of the fold of Islam, provided they did not call on anyone/dieties other than Allah and are within the confines of Shariah.

Q 18:68 وَكَيْفَ تَصْبِرُ عَلَىٰ مَا لَمْ تُحِطْ بِهِ خُبْرًا

I have stated this several times in this thread and on this platform several times. Knowledge of sharia and fiqh is a must before delving into ilm tasawwuf and ilm mediciniyyah What ignorant ones dont understand is that Allah's Names and Attributes are on these leafs and all herbs generally. They have nothing to do with herbalist only. They are for mankind. The same leafs etc are transformed to powder and capsules in modern medicines and they use them. Why not condemn that?. This particular leaf you talked about i once dealt with that back in the days too, II was sent to get it certain time from the bush. This is part of what nabi said in the hadith I cited earlier. Ewe nbe. Egbo nbe. How individual uses it is determine factor.

The difference btw a true muslim in the line of prophetic medicine/jalabi and babalawo is this ayah Kahf 39

وَلَوْلَا إِذْ دَخَلْتَ جَنَّتَكَ قُلْتَ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِاللَّ

We used to say this when we entered farm before picking leafs.

but Alawo would invoke thier deities before picking leafs.

Empiree:
I have stated this several times in this thread and on this platform several times. Knowledge of sharia and fiqh is a must before delving into ilm tasawwuf and ilm mediciniyyah What ignorant ones dont understand is that Allah's Names and Attributes are on these leafs and all herbs generally. They have nothing to do with herbalist only. They are for mankind. The same leafs etc are transformed to powder and capsules in modern medicines and they use them. Why not condemn that?. This particular leaf you talked about i once dealt with that back in the days too, II was sent to get it certain time from the bush. This is part of what nabi said in the hadith I cited earlier. Ewe nbe. Egbo nbe. How individual uses it is determine factor.

The difference btw a true muslim in the line of prophetic medicine/jalabi and babalawo is this ayah Kahf 39

وَلَوْلَا إِذْ دَخَلْتَ جَنَّتَكَ قُلْتَ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِاللَّ

We used to say this when we entered farm before picking leafs.

but Alawo would invoke thier deities before picking leafs.

Subhanallah! this is a clear depiction of different paths leading to the goal/destination, but the issue is: Is one using the straight or crooked path?
Because even the devil can "cause/bring about" what looks like healing, as long as obeisance is made to him!

movado19:


Subhanallah! this is a clear depiction of different paths leading to the goal/destination, but the issue is: Is one using the straight or crooked path?
Because even the devil can "cause/bring about" what looks like healing, as long as obeisance is made to him!

Well, it is simple. Even if devil disguises and brings "good healing", determining factor is sharia. We learned from hadith that shaytan gave a man ayat Qursi against himself(satan).

Devil is a liar but he brought something good and truthful. Malaika can teach a muslim this medicine as well


Side note, you live in Dubai?