Gwilym:


The truth is, both of them are bad leaders.

What PDP and APC have in common is a lack of ideas to get us off our dependency on oil. As a result, our economy is and always has been in dire straits. Even during the supposed good times of GEJ (where high oil prices were used to hide the disaster).

All in all, what we need is a government that has plans to diversify our economy. Because let's be frank, in as much as I don't like PDP .....APC was supposed to be a credible alternative...not PDP part 2.

Isn't this government taking the right steps at diversifying our economy?
There's more gov't efforts at agriculture and its value chain lines.

There's an increase in local production of goods that can be locally produced

Investment in infrastructure has never been this focused on.

This government is doing it's best abeg. Nigeria won't become the country of our dream overnight.

dashing07:

My point is we want this country to be better, trust me I love this country

I agree but we must moderate our expectations.

In my reckoning, we need at least 30 years of continuous infrastructural development and diversification to come close to having a working country. Things have been bad for a very long time and no magic or miracle would make them good overnight even if we had all the money.

Larryfest:

Really So how come no leader has been able to change things for better at least for once in this country? Yaradua seems to be on the right part then suddenly he died, the Almighty Buhari was scored above 100% by almost the entire country even before getting there but see what we have now

Because changing things for the better means doing things like removing fuel subsides, and allowing power companies to set the price of power in this country.

This would bring about a much needed injection of cash and investment into the petrol and power sector, as well as jobs...which would indirectly long term transform our economy into a productive economy

(We have already seen this in the telecoms sector....where Obasanjo allowed telecoms companies to exploit us...and they expolited us, and took our money, and reinvested it into our country in terms of jobs and telecom infrastructure. )

But because removing subsidies in energy and petrol sector means high prices for energy and petrol in the short term, and high food prices, we end up spending billions on subsidies which are targets of the corrupt for looting...meanwhile, the economy remains stagant, and job growth is stagnant...since industries don't have the power to operate.

Whereas, if subsidy on petrol went...more refineries and supporting infrastructure would be built. If DISCOS and GENCOS were allowed to charge the prices they want...more investment would pour into power. Jobs would be created, government would save billions which could be used to help the poor and fund education and health, and the private sector would grow...all in return for an initial cost of high petrol prices, and high power prices.

But most Nigerians don't want that. They want a government who shares money, and dishes out money, and patronage. They don't want to suffer. They want to enjoy. But the truth is, we are suffering....and if we are not courageous enough to take the bold steps we need to end the socialist style stagnation of our energy sector, we won't be going nowhere....and more people will continue in joblessness.

The reason why many Nigerians praise GEJ or Bubu is because they benefit from the patronage....not because they are good leaders.

mikezuruki:
I honestly haven't been a fan of Buhari since time immemorial, but looking at the things he has done, albeit slowly, he has done better than Jonathan.

People here may want to counter me with fuel price as it was then and now. But that's the facade Jonathan government wanted you to see. Other areas, it was porous. He really plundered this nation.

So please, sentiment aside, argue for Jonathan if you think he is better. This thread is for adults. Educational purpose only. No insult anybody wey disagree with you

You don’t kill the people you lead.
Remember leadership is all about making things better not worse.
Using this premise Jonathan is better

Buhari is better in some areas and very bad in many areas of governance.

PassingShot:

Isn't this government taking the right steps at diversifying our economy?
There's more gov't efforts at agriculture and its value chain lines.

There's an increase in local production of goods that can be locally produced

Investment in infrastructure has never been this focused on.

This government is doing it's best abeg. Nigeria won't become the country of our dream overnight.

Yes, all and good...but that's what governments from time immemorial have been doing (Obasanjo used to tout how he had raised cassava production, and under GEJ we went from no10 to no 5 in cocoa production...part of the reason why Adeshina is now AFDB boss.).

But when you have price controls in the energy sector (DISCOS and GENCOS have their prices set for them by the government ) as well as the petrol sector (NNPC is in essence bankrupting itself to sustain a subsidy that is long past its sell by date..since 1993, and I'm not joking)...you stifle growth in power...which is needed to make our economy grow....and in the petrol sector (we have had over 60 licences issued for refinereis, and less than 5 are being built, Dangote aside...because people don't want to reifine fuel and sell at a loss in the name of subsidy).....because the chronic low prices means that there is no investment to build new power stations, to improve the transmission system, and (for petrol) no new refineres....which stifles industrial growth, and by extension jobs.

If your Buhari had allowed the power sector and petrol sector set their prices for their products....yes, there would have been some hardship, but eventually the economy would have grown well well thanks to increased profits and investment. But he, and by extension no other leader is bold enough to do so. So, we suffer unnecessarily

mikezuruki:
I honestly haven't been a fan of Buhari since time immemorial, but looking at the things he has done, albeit slowly, he has done better than Jonathan.

People here may want to counter me with fuel price as it was then and now. But that's the facade Jonathan government wanted you to see. Other areas, it was porous. He really plundered this nation.

So please, sentiment aside, argue for Jonathan if you think he is better. This thread is for adults. Educational purpose only. No insult anybody wey disagree with you

Buhari is much better than Jonathan. You are correct.

mikezuruki:


yes. that's why I wanted all to put sentiments aside. but trust Nigerians, they can't

Why do I have a feeling that your idea of ' putting sentiments aside' implies agreeing with you sheepishly??

Gwilym:


Yes, all and good...but that's what governments from time immemorial have been doing (Obasanjo used to tout how he had raised cassava production, and under GEJ we went from no10 to no 5 in cocoa production...part of the reason why Adeshina is now AFDB boss.).

But when you have price controls in the energy sector (DISCOS and GENCOS have their prices set for them by the government ) as well as the petrol sector (NNPC is in essence bankrupting itself to sustain a subsidy that is long past its sell by date..since 1993, and I'm not joking)...you stifle growth in power...which is needed to make our economy grow....and in the petrol sector (we have had over 60 licences issued for refinereis, and less than 5 are being built, Dangote aside...because people don't want to reifine fuel and sell at a loss in the name of subsidy).....because the chronic low prices means that there is no investment to build new power stations, to improve the transmission system, and (for petrol) no new refineres....which stifles industrial growth, and by extension jobs.

If your Buhari had allowed the power sector and petrol sector set their prices for their products....yes, there would have been some hardship, but eventually the economy would have grown well well thanks to increased profits and investment. But he, and by extension no other leader is bold enough to do so. So, we suffer unnecessarily

I am all for total deregulation. However, I will cut Buhari se slack given the circumstances he met on the ground. It would have been suicidal for his gov't to embark on such total removal of subsidies at a time many workers were owed salaries of up to 11 months in some cases.

You don't do total deregulation when you're trying to get out of recession with many people losing jobs left, right and center. You do it when your economy is stabilized which I'm sure he would do sometimes next year or the year after when Dangote Refinery is on board, especially with the signing into law of the PIB.

PassingShot:

Isn't this government taking the right steps at diversifying our economy?

There's more gov't efforts at agriculture and its value chain lines.

There's an increase in local production of goods that can be locally produced

Investment in infrastructure has never been this focused on.

This government is doing it's best abeg. Nigeria won't become the country of our dream overnight.

GEJ's Agric minister, Adesina, the current ADB president was telling us same story about the boom in local production, the boom
in Agriculture, food sufficiency and all.

You see ehn, Agric sector is one area every govt tells you they are doing excellent.
The only way to know who did better or worse is the pricing. Are foodstuffs and other commodities
cheaper now than during GEJ's tenure? THE ANSWER IS NO! In fact, they are far more expensive now.

Forget the barrage of lies from Buhari's govt

.

Nigerianization:


Why do I have a feeling that your idea of ' putting sentiments aside' implies agreeing with you sheepishly??

I was once like you. Then when Buhari's name is mentioned I automatically become bias.

You don't have to agree with me. Just make your point

Gwilym:


Because changing things for the better means doing things like removing fuel subsides, and allowing power companies to set the price of power in this country.

This would bring about a much needed injection of cash and investment into the petrol and power sector, as well as jobs...which would indirectly long term transform our economy into a productive economy

(We have already seen this in the telecoms sector....where Obasanjo allowed telecoms companies to exploit us...and they expolited us, and took our money, and reinvested it into our country in terms of jobs and telecom infrastructure. )

But because removing subsidies in energy and petrol sector means high prices for energy and petrol in the short term, and high food prices, we end up spending billions on subsidies which are targets of the corrupt for looting...meanwhile, the economy remains stagant, and job growth is stagnant...since industries don't have the power to operate.

Whereas, if subsidy on petrol went...more refineries and supporting infrastructure would be built. If DISCOS and GENCOS were allowed to charge the prices they want...more investment would pour into power. Jobs would be created, government would save billions which could be used to help the poor and fund education and health, and the private sector would grow...all in return for an initial cost of high petrol prices, and high power prices.

But most Nigerians don't want that. They want a government who shares money, and dishes out money, and patronage. They don't want to suffer. They want to enjoy. But the truth is, we are suffering....and if we are not courageous enough to take the bold steps we need to end the socialist style stagnation of our energy sector, we won't be going nowhere....and more people will continue in joblessness.

The reason why many Nigerians praise GEJ or Bubu is because they benefit from the patronage....not because they are good leaders.

You are the only person on this thread that has succeeded in 'putting sentiments aside'. Spot on analysis

Staro:



GEJ's Agric minister, Adesina, the current ADB president was telling us same story about the boom in local production, the boom
in Agriculture, food sufficiency and all.

You see ehn, Agric sector is one area every govt tells you they are doing excellent.
The only way to know who did better or worse is the pricing. Are foodstuffs and other commodities
cheaper now than during GEJ's tenure? THE ANSWER IS NO! In fact, they are far more expensive now.

Forget the barrage of lies from Buhari's govt

The right question should be "do we now truly produce certain crops we used to import, since the focus on agric began?". I'm sure you know the answer to be yes as we now have many locally produced rice and other staple food brands.

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Simplyleo:
Thank good you said sentiment aside.

But unfortunately, some cursed animals are being guided by that sentiment.

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mikezuruki:


I was once like you. Then when Buhari's name is mentioned I automatically become bias.

You don't have to agree with me. Just make your point

You were never like me because you don't know me. I am for good governance. I supported buhari in 2015 and another candidate I know will not win in 2019 but got BIG ideas.... Not Atiku.

So sentiments aside should mean that I can agree, disagree or just be neutral. I quoted you the first time because you assumed that people were being sentimental without any basis. So I was try to hazard a guess if your definition of being sentimental is not agreeing with you.

mikezuruki:


I was once like you. Then when Buhari's name is mentioned I automatically become bias.

You don't have to agree with me. Just make your point

OP, I was avoiding addressing you directly but see ehn, it were better you list areas Nigerians are better
off under Buhari than GEJ rather than merely regurgitating the usual theories we hear everyday from APC spokesmen

Staro:



OP, I was avoiding addressing you directly but see ehn, it were better you list areas Nigerians are better
off under Buhari than GEJ rather than merely regurgitating the usual theories we hear everyday from APC spokesmen

God bless you.

He has to put some facts on the table and let us take it up from there. Not forming objectivity without being objective.

PassingShot:

The right question should be "do we now truly produce certain crops we used to import, since the focus on agric began?". I'm sure you know the answer to be yes as we now have many locally produced rice and other staple food brands.

Lol, Oga, I'm from a rice producing area. We have always been producing rice.
Local rice has always been there over the years ... disguised as foreign rice by dealers/retailers.

The only major difference now is the packaging and branding. There are more Nigerians now in the business of boldly
packaging and branding local rice than before. Rice production itself has not increased as such.

Agreed, branding and packaging has increased and hence, the proliferation of rice mills factories.
We now hear of Lake Rice, Ifeanyi Ubah rice blah blah blah .... do they have rice farms?
In most cases No! They merely buy from the usual local farmers, mill, package and brand.

Technically, setting up a rice mill does not mean you are producing rice. Where is your rice farm?
Has FG provided a good irrigation system to facilitate all year round rice farming? See, bro, 99% of the so-called
rice farmers still do the usual seasonal annual farming when in Thailand, rice is planted and harvested three times a year.

Stop swallowing Buhari's lies.
FG should invest in irrigation. Effective irrigation is what sets Thailand apart in rice production

.

mikezuruki:


I actually wanted to keep it short. Because if we both are to be honest with ourselves, many Nigerians are lazy readers. The thread may be derailed if it was long. because they won't finish reading it but make comment

Just imagine! Mtcheeeew

CharlotteFlair:
Just imagine! Mtcheeeew

No rooms for imaginations here. It's the truth

Staro:


You're either a shameless liar or not enlighten enough.

Oga, GEJ inherited a reserve of $35b from Yar'Adua (see graph below)
If $35b is what you called good reserve, well, I'll discontinue any argument with you

Agreed, the reserves have somewhat gone up under but did he do any special to jack it up?
The answer is a capital NO! Buhari took the lazy man's short cut of borrowing, borrowing and borrowing more
then use part of the various loans to shore up our reserves

.

Why not keep it civil and make your point.

PassingShot:

Isn't this government taking the right steps at diversifying our economy?
There's more gov't efforts at agriculture and its value chain lines.

There's an increase in local production of goods that can be locally produced

Investment in infrastructure has never been this focused on.

This government is doing it's best abeg. Nigeria won't become the country of our dream overnight.

These are the things I always emphasise.

People don't understand the process of development. they want things to happen overnight.

The present government is trying to move this country forward by investing in infrastructure, agriculture, fight corruption, install discipline and at the same time try to balance polity.

Politics and Governance is a lot of things

Staro:



Lol, Oga, I'm from a rice producing area. We have always been cultivating rice.
Local rice has always been there over the years ... disguised as foreign rice by dealers/retailers.

The only major difference is the packaging. There are more Nigerians now in the business of boldly
packaging and branding local rice than before[b]. Rice production itself has not increased that much[/b].

Why not say it th way it is. Is there an increase or not?

PassingShot:
I don't have much to say other than to remind readers of the following facts:

In 2010, when Jonathan came in, public debt was $35b, it was $63b in 2015, diff of $28b.

Today, total debt, states + FG is $81b, a diff of $18b.

FR in 2010=$42b
FR in 2015=$28b
FR in 2019=$45b

Avg crude price
2010-14=$92
2015-2019=$55

GEJ met good reserves, we earned huge billions of dollars during his time from crude sale, his govt still borrowed huge millions in dollars, yet he left empty treasury without any major developmental project.

OP, only those blinded by hate, ethnicity or religion will disagree that PMB is by far our best president since the beginning of the 4the republic.

Lies can only go so far before truth bursts them.


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FG, States, LGs Share N568.4 Billion for Oct
15 NOVEMBER 2013

Also, $1billion was proposed for distribution to complement shortfall in expected revenue." The $1billion is a compromise by the FG over its words in September not to augment shortfalls anymore.

Responding to the presentation, the chairman of the States Commissioners of Finance and Ebonyi State Commissioner of Finance, Mr Timothy Odaah, lamented that the statutory allocation was getting smaller and smaller. "It appears this is the worst in terms of returns. This is the least in allocations as far as this year is concerned. We are mourning the dearth of funds and this is a wakeup call for states and local governments to buoy up their internally generated revenue."

While appreciating the "magnanimity" of President Goodluck Jonathan to approve the $1billion from the excess crude account and to be shared among the federal, state and local governments, Odaah expressed disappointment with the returns made by the NNPC.

He said that the states had requested for $2bn to complement for the shortfall in revenue but got only $1billion. In September, Odaah and fellow commissioners had walked out of the Accountant General of the Federation (AGF) when the federal government said that the framework of the 2013 budget was no longer realistic and it won't augment shortfall in revenue. Odaah raised issues with the statutory allocations of previous months.

More from: http://allafrica.com/stories/201311150323.html

PassingShot:

Isn't this government taking the right steps at diversifying our economy?
There's more gov't efforts at agriculture and its value chain lines.

There's an increase in local production of goods that can be locally produced

Investment in infrastructure has never been this focused on.

This government is doing it's best abeg. Nigeria won't become the country of our dream overnight.

Why didn't you reply that guy after posting terrible false information?

Look at our expected growth rate in 2020.

Is that what you call trying his best?

anonimi:


Lies can only go so far before truth bursts them.


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Passingshot is such a shameless liar.
Like Buhari, like follower.

Staro:
OP, I was avoiding addressing you directly but see ehn, it were better you list areas Nigerians are better
off under Buhari than GEJ rather than merely regurgitating the usual theories we hear everyday from APC spokesmen

Can a man give what he does not have?
What is not there is simply not there.
Buhari's incompetence and looting can only be covered for so long.


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CSTR2:
Why didn't you reply that guy after posting terrible false information?

Look at our expected growth rate in 2020.

Is that what you call trying his best?

chozzy:
Passingshot is such a shameless liar.
Like Buhari, like follower.

The Alliance of Past/Present Crooks, APC and its supporters are nothing without lies.
Zero. Zilch. Odo rabata.


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Staro:



Lol, Oga, I'm from a rice producing area. We have always been producing rice.
Local rice has always been there over the years ... disguised as foreign rice by dealers/retailers.

The only major difference now is the packaging and branding. There are more Nigerians now in the business of boldly
packaging and branding local rice than before. Rice production itself has not increased as such.

Agreed, branding and packaging has increased and hence, the proliferation of rice mills factories.
We now hear of Lake Rice, Ifeanyi Ubah rice blah blah blah .... do they have rice farms?
In most cases No! They merely buy from the usual local farmers, mill, package and brand.

Technically, setting up a rice mill does not mean you are producing rice. Where is your rice farm?
Has FG provided a good irrigation system to facilitate all year round rice farming? See, bro, 99% of the so-called
rice farmers still do the usual seasonal annual farming when in Thailand, rice is planted and harvested three times a year.

Stop swallowing Buhari's lies.
FG should invest in irrigation. Effective irrigation is what sets Thailand apart in rice production

.

Thank you brother.
Buhari and his govt like lies and propaganda.

Nigerian rice farmers need irrigation not 10k trader money.
This primitive seasonal rice farming is not the way to go.

Why should one harvest rice in November and then wait till the rainy season in June/July of the following year
to start planting. I read somewhere that Thailand plant and harvest rice every quarter (ie four times a year)

CSTR2:

Why didn't you reply that guy after posting terrible false information?

Look at our expected growth rate in 2020.

Is that what you call trying his best?

Which guy are you refering to. I am not one who runs away from fact-based discussions. Never.

Personally I don't like PMB's style of governance neither do I go crazy like some meat sellers do however the commander in chief has reduced corruption since he came. It may not be visible for all to see but things are going on behind the scene. Many politicians and civil servants are finding it difficult to loot

It's an insult on Buhari to compare him with Jonathan.
Jonathan is actually the worst president Nigeria has ever had if you measure the length of his tenure, the enormous available resources at hand then againsttheir impact on the country.
Even Abacha had a better and more stable economy and the Jonathans stole more than the Abachas.
Allegedly, he was youthful with the highest educational qualification among all our presidents. Yet nothing to show for it.
Idiots continue to dignify him as their hero. What about that? Let him remain their hero joor