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Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by laudate: 11:53pm On Nov 07, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Check all my previous posts. I never said Ette was in Kogi State. I only asked the Igala indigenes on this thread, to clarify if there were two Ette communities (i.e. in Enugu State or Kogi State). So stop trying to peddle falsehood. Since you have chosen to use the incomplete WHO report to propagate a lie....no problem. Everyone now knows the kind of pseudo-intellectual you are - the one who prefers to embrace a flawed perspective, based on a faulty premise. Case closed. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Eastlink(m): 1:23pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
Clinton9000:Shush! Who gave you that crap that we marry more from Anambra state. What happened to Imo and Abia. Because two or three top personalities married Anambra women doesnt mean it's the pattern. Infact I love and admire ndi Anambra but please stop spreading falsehood that you can't back up. Rivers people seems more attached to Imo peeps than other Igbo state this I know firsthand cos my mother and granny hails from Owerri. Secondly, from what I've observed during my study of the Igbo language in WAEC, as well as the Igbo Bible and numerous native christian music in Igbo, it's obvious that the Imo state Igbo comprise a large chunk of what we know as central Igbo. 4 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Ebukaidoko(m): 4:27pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
sissoko22: U know that what I'm saying is the nothing but the truth 4 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by sissoko22(m): 3:21pm On Nov 11, 2016 |
May you live long too. Forgive my mistake, very annoying how this group lie very hard to show how related they're to other ethnic groups in the middle belt only to achieve their fraudulent Biafra dream. I repeat, no part of Idoma or igalaland will join their course. laudate: 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by oyatz(m): 7:16am On Dec 21, 2016 |
Which States are favourable states,I thought you guys always boast that you are the best peoples in Nigeria, how come some States are more favourable than your States? ugoani: 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by oyatz(m): 9:47am On Jan 28, 2018 |
ALL States are favourable. Igbos are those who accept to be identified as igbos. Ethnic identity is largely self-identification. ugoani: 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by jbblues24(m): 9:47pm On Jun 01, 2019 |
I see trees of green........ red roses too I see em bloom..... for me and for you And I think to myself.... what a wonderful world. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bluefilm: 7:49pm On Jan 19, 2020 |
oglalasioux: Das ist nicht richtig. Oya, translate na. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 2:39am On Jan 20, 2020 |
bluefilm: This is not right. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bluefilm: 6:43am On Jan 20, 2020 |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by steveaj(m): 1:40pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
bigfrancis21: from the screenshot by the man from Avrugo, it's clear Avrugo is Igala land but having heavy Igbo presence. You can even see his name (Amedu) which is a common name in Igala land. Most times when Igalas marry Igbo ladies, the Igbo ladies will always want to speak Igbo to the children and Igalas like Igbo ladies a lot. You know many of them are fair, with Barcelona and Manchester United. The past is heavy and their future is wow! with full onshore offshore dichotomy. Because of this a lot of Igalas at bother towns always go after them and after marrying them, the Igala men will give them the best of love and will not want to disturb them regardless of any language they speak to their kids. This makes a lot of Igbo speaking Igalas to be in so many Igala communities. Well concerning the names of those towns, OK can you tell me what ENUGU mean in Igbo? What's Oweri or Imo in Igbo. The name of the town doesn't mean anything. What's important is the people living there and the people who have rights to land in that place. What is Idah or Anyigba or Ankpa or Olumbanasa in Igala? Are those lands not Igala? What's Lagos, Ibadan, Ondo etc in Yoruba? Are those places not Yoruba land The names of the town doesn't mean anything but the people in it. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Malawian(m): 8:18pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
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Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 8:24pm On Jan 21, 2020 |
steveaj: Avrugo is actually a bastardization. The proper name is afurugo or afulugo meaning, 'the eagle has been seen'. The town's full name is Eke Afulugo. Enugu is also a bastardization. Proper it is Enu ugwu = mountain top. A name given by the residents for its numerous mountains. Owere proper means 'forest/bushy forest' etc., probably in reference to its original conditions before the British came. Even an adage in Igbo goes thus, ajo nwa si owere baa nne ya afo. It is probably an archaic Igbo word for 'forest' as it is less commonly used now. Awka is actually Oka, probably the short form of 'Oka uzu', meaning 'blacksmith' as ancient Awka people were known for their great blacksmith skills. Many towns in Igboland were named after something significant. Similarly, Yoruba towns names often have meanings. Ogun was probably named after one of the traditional Yoruba gods. Abeokuta means under the rock, given for the town's formation/settlement around the famous rocks of Abeokuta. Similarly in Igbo, it could mean, ebe okwute = place of stone. The Igala town names you mentioned will definitely have their histories behind their town names. Town names are often a good signifier of the original settlers of that town. I can't say for sure who the original settlers of Avrugo are, but going by its name it is clearly Igbo, especially given that the letter 'v' is totally absent from the Igala language/alphabet (see image below). Therefore, 'Avrugo' could not have come from the Igala language. The Igalas in the past were known travelers, and had a strong penchant for travelling down south from Igala land into Igbo land in search of arable farm lands to farm on or towards the River Niger in search of fishing opportunities or fleeing persecution from the leading King at that time (refugees). A good number of them settled around the borders of Anambra, Enugu and Delta states and most were absorbed into the Igbo population by the next generation, however it doesn't distort the original history of the places where they settled in. Some settled in Onitsha and were given a section of Onitsha to live in (I've forgotten the actual Ogbe) but became totally absorbed as recently as 150 to 200 years ago. However, they met Igbo-speaking people there. Also many towns around the Igbo border, like Nsukka for example, were under significant Igala influence that some of this influence could be felt today. A good number of Igalas settled in Nsukka and all of their generations are full Igbos today except for a few surnames that tell their origins. Thus, Avrugo people may have been originally Igboid people, who witnessed a heavy influx of Igalas, and with the town being closer to Igala, sustained a heavy Igala conquest. However, the Igbo language managed to survive and the Igala settlers uniformly adopted Igbo language instead. Thus the Igala descendants today may answer Amedu by ancestry or by willful adoption but speak Igbo instead. Same way about 3 or 4 towns in Enugu state have purely Igala names, pointing to who their founding father (s) was, however it got populated later by Igbo speakers and became pretty much Igbo speaking towns with some speakers of Igala. Olu mba nasaa (Igbo, meaning 7 riverine towns) is just a name given by Igbos to the 7 isolated Igala speaking villages at the Anambra border. These 7 villages have their actual names which are Igala names, pointing to their origins. They also speak Igbo as well. Their isolation away from Anambra mainland helped to preserve much of their language and culture compared to other mainland Igala settlements that got pretty absorbed with time. [img]http://4.bp..com/-rmWMh5naH0Y/VD8UeOK4WDI/AAAAAAAAAGk/7Hn9v77u2-g/s1600/Igala%2BAlphabet.png[/img] 3 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Nobody: 1:16pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
There are no Igbo speaking communities in Kogi state. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by nlPoster: 3:37pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
They're not. Akpanya is an Igbo-speaking community located deep in the heartland of Igala land. Very little is known about this town. About 95% of the people speak Igbo/are Igbo natives. The town also houses majority of Igbo muslims from Igboland. The bolded is incorrect. Many of the natives marry Igbo women, which is quite different from your analysis. And, it's not deep in the heart of Igala land, it's on the fringes but close to Enugu. Anyone residing in/close to these areas or living in Kogi to tell us what the situation is on ground? I just did. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 7:27am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Osagyefo98: Avrugo in Kogi speaks Igbo? 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Nobody: 8:03am On Jan 24, 2020 |
bigfrancis21: You may have mistaken Igala for Igbo. Moreover If there are, many would have known. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Nobody: 8:12am On Jan 24, 2020 |
bigfrancis21: You may have mistaken Igala for Igbo. Moreover If there are, many would have known. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by thrasy: 3:23pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Arvrogo, Akpanya, and many others is purely Igbo communities that were invaded by Igala farmers and warriors but could not subdue the Language. Olumbanasa is not an Igala town but Igbo town like Onitsha that Igalas came to settle with the Igbos. The Igala invaders where able to preserve their own language too and get hold of the kingship stool that is why they collect staff of office from Attah Igala. Those Igala people lying that Igbos in Kogi are Igala that is it marriage that make them speak Igala is a fat lie. Fat lie. Those communities has been Igbo communities before independence, before creation of states, before the white man coming. Igala people are known for migrating to Igbo land because of Igbo accomodation and hospitality. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by nlPoster: 4:16pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Online for 46 minutes and 26 seconds and might not even be Nigerian. Clearly an alternate account btw, even if is. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by thrasy: 4:20pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Hope not referring to me? |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by Subduer: 4:24pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
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Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by darfay: 8:03pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
Lo bigfrancis21: You messed up on that olukumi aspect, I had a coursemate who is still a good friend, she is from ugbodu and olukumi needless to say. Everybody thinks she is Yoruba because of her first name even myself with minimal knowledge of Yoruba could easily translate, although her middle name (nobody in reality uses their middle name) was/is igbo. She was explaining to some of us how her tribe supposedly migrated from ondo (because they were surprised she was from delta) If she is anything to go by igbo is still only a second language there |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by darfay: 8:06pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
OgaEngr: If it's the elders that speaks igala, it tells you the aboriginal language of the people |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by darfay: 8:07pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
orimsam: Hope you felt stupid and ashamed of yourself |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:21pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
darfay: Not correct. Igbo language is the first language for the majority of Ugbodu people. I noticed many 'self-professed Nigerian historians' do not know the difference between second language, dialect, language etc. In Ugbodu, 100% speak fluent Igbo. It is a native or first language to as many as 80% of all Ugbodu people. It is used by all and sundry and in all occasions in Ugbodu, be it burial, wedding or in the Church. All Ugbodu people can speak Igbo but not all can speak Olukumi. Now, there is one quarter/section/Ogbe primarily where Olukumi was preserved the most and you could find people from this quarter who are taught Olukumi first by their parents and Igbo second. For this smaller percentage, Olukumi is their first language and Igbo their second language. A second language is simply another language you acquire after you acquire the native one or a first language. For our parents and grandparents, English was often their second language learned after acquiring Igbo, Yoruba, Bini etc. but nowadays English has become the first language for many young folks and their native languages the second or even third (after Pidgin and/or maybe the language of the state they live in). Now, it is from this very section of Ugbodu where you find the fanatic ones who are very excited about their origins and hold on dearly to their Olukumi origins. Some have replaced their Igbo names given by their parents with Olukumi names, speak Olukumi more often also wear the identity more often. For example, this lady in question might be from this part of Ugbodu. But truly, they are in the minority as at least 70% of Ugbodu people identify with their greater Anioma-Igbo brothers and carry Igbo names. Remember, Ugbodu is just one of the originally 6 Olukumi villages, of today which 3 are completely Igbo-speaking. Of the remaining 3, 2 are much less Olukumi speaking (their Olukumi is highly adulterated with Igbo at best) and Ugbodu seems to speak the most purest form of Olukumi (although with some Igbo words here and there). All 6 villages speak Igbo fluently and Igbo remains the native tongue/first language for over 90% of all Olukumis across the 6 villages. The location of Ugbodu village at the tip/border of Anioma land ensured its absorption happened much slower than other sister inland villages. |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by macof(m): 11:34pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
bigfrancis21: So English is the native tongue of an igbo man who speaks English better than igbo? Or he just failed to learn his native language igbo as good as English due to social factors? And to go more directly into your post : reports about Ugbodu give the impression that the Olukumi dialect is still well preserved with people even addressing strangers with the dialect Why should we take your word for it? What research have you conducted on the matter? |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by darfay: 11:43pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
bigfrancis21: you obviously didn't read the part where i told you that i have a friend who is from that village, her name sef is yoruba. i don't want to repeat myself. just one question for you, have you ever met an olukumi person one on one before in your life? I'm guessing no, but i have and I'm only telling you what she, being an olukunmi lady said about her own tribe, you can keep telling yourself all what you wrote. olukunmi is a second language and yet its the lady's first name but what do you care if 6 villages dropped their language for igbo, they are already over 20 million people who speak the language,the igbo ethnicity have numbers, that they can't use, I'm sure ijaw or jukuns would have turned the county upside down, if they had the numbers black to the topic, there might be a process of assimilation but the language is not dead, igbo is still a second language for most of them |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by darfay: 11:50pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
macof: the guy you quoted seems to be living in wonderland, i would have believed him if i hadn't met one of the people he was talking about. the language isn't as dead as he would make us believe |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:50pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
macof: You've been there before yourself and saw the truth and admitted on nairaland that Ugbodu people are more of Igbo than Olukumi. You mentioned meeting their Obi personally. So why feigning ignorance of the truth? lol 3 Likes |
Re: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 11:57pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
darfay: My Nigerian brothers lack reading comprehension. The very basic ability to read in-between the lines to understand what a paragraph is about makes many of us fail tests like TOEFL and GRE despite 'knowing how to speak English', or rather, Nigerian English. We argue with emotions, rather than logically. I am very sure I covered this lady in question in my previous post where I mentioned a section of Ugbodu where the people are proudly Olukumi and bear Olukumi names. Or did I miss something? I forgot to add that they all tend to have Igbo surnames anyway, even those with Olukumi first names. I am sure this lady you met has an Igbo surname? I have met 5 Delta Igbos from Olukumi before and they all spoke Igbo and had Igbo names. I had no sense they were Olukumi either because they could not speak it or did not speak it. I later found out they are from Ugbodu when I checked their Facebook profiles. Now this is true for majority of them. There are Ugbodu people who are more like the lady you met. I never doubted your experience and I validated it as well. However, your experience or meeting one person does not speak for the entire Ugbodu people who are thousands in number. @bold....yea if that's what you prefer to believe. 3 Likes |
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