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Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 8:39pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:No I would say they need to humble themselves and learn to keep their mouths shut instead of scoring unnecessary own goals Next they need to start playing politics of cooperation and partnership Set a realistic time frame 50 years is a long time in the life of a man but not a people. The message is simple the way that Igbos talk to and about other Nigerians is unhelpful and MUST change Sadly they don't or can't get it Simple example Buhari has won the election whether you like him or not work with him focus on your long term goals Think about what happens when he leaves and how to influence that IN YOUR INTEREST The starting point is to unify the Igbo people and if you must use hate to do that try to be discreet Coming out with all that Nnamdi Kanu stuff is unhelpful Learn to be tactful You are too small to impose your worldview rather you have to learn do be humble. An impossibility for the Igbo man 1 Like |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Nobody: 8:46pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
0monnak0da:Are you just naively daft or intentionality oblivious of the political realities in Nigeria? Otherwise your stupidity which is sadly a smokescreen to your better sense of reasoning, will know the biggest obstacle to restructuring or outright secession from Nigeria is predicated on a lopsided arrangement that has the Hausa/Fulani dominating every sphere of government dowm to the minutest parastatal in Nigeria. They dominate the NASS by a majority, and that's where the heart of the every legislative decision affecting the nation including disgruntled elements of it are inexorably tied. Now in the situation when it's already commonplace knowledge that they (the Northern power brokers) are vehemently opposed to restructuring or break up (as One Nigeria evidently favors them), what would you have the Igbos do when the other ethnic nationalities in the south are either too docile about demanding and spelling their political destinies, or too facetious, untrustworthy, and subservient to the North just to enjoy crumbs in the corridor of power.. surely a race as proud as the Igbos won't lower themselves to kiss aSS in the name of Political correctness or some rubbish handshake across the Niger just to get their way. So it's either one of two things that will decide that political future of Nigeria, and not your bullshit talk of Igbos been politically naive or 5% blah blah blah (you have a brain, use it). (1) There has to be another Nigerian civil war, and we know no nations survives another war.. the cost of lives will sadly be high, but the key thing here is that the ethno-political landscape of Nigeria today is very dynamic, this time every section of the country that fought against Biafra are now against the current status quo... it's now fast dissecting into the North vs the rest of Nigeria (maybe except the Yorubas, knowing how naturally treacherous you guys are), but the point is, it won't be Nigeria against the Igbos again... as it's now evident Igbos are not the problem of the country from the political stake point of domination and hegemony which the Hausa/Fulani have cornered to themselves. (2) A natural self-implosion of Nigeria- This one seems more feasible considering the current vices plaguing that country, the problem of Nigeria is too much to even break down to any thesis, but every indices boils down to one thing at the end, the unity of these country is no longer tenable... so surely Nigeria has to self-implode and fragment itself along ethnic, religious, social, and political lines. Get these simple facts into your thick skull, and stop sounding like a dunce. 1 Like |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 8:53pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
All these things you mentioned will not achieve Biafra even in a 1000 years! Imagine Yorubas were friendly with Northerners but immediately they declared Amotekun, Northerners said Yorubas are the most primitive in Nigeria( I appreciate the SW response by using diplomacy,I trust my people, we wont take it lightly) and started accusing the Yorubas of not allowing Igbos to vote in Lagos, something they applauded at the time. What this means is that good relationships will not achieve Biafra. Nigeria population is increasing and revenue is falling because there is no unity of purpose. There is be a tipping point and it may not be more than 20yrs from now! 0monnak0da: |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by gwafaeziokwu: 8:55pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
0monnak0da: These were some of the "Igbos" who killed leaders from other regions while sparing theirs. Lt. Fola Oyewole Lt. O. Olafemiyan Capt Adeleke Lt.R. Egbiko Lt. Tijani Katsina Lt. Saleh Dambo Lt. john Atom Kpera Take responsibility for the action of a few who were not sent on any mandate by the Igbo public? May be you should start with taking responsibility for the actions of your brothers whose names appeared up there. The second coup of july 1966 also killed the head of state Aguiyi Ironsi and col fajuyi leader from the western region, and 33 officers from the east. What changed? Why is the west not angry with the northerners for the killings of fajuyi? Why was pogrom nit declared on northerners living in the west We don't need to shout about our bravely, history has already recorded it that faced with certain extinction and surrounded by odds. A people determined to take their destinies into their hands, they died in their numbers but they also took their enemies down in large numbers too. I repeat you are small players. The stakes in Nigeria are far above your narrow minded parochial sentiments. You don't know where Nigeria is headed. You are only interested in the immediate gain that Lagos and your other cities represent. But the stakes are higher than that. The dance going on is beyond your rice and stew intelligence. The wealth of Mgbidi and Nnewi need not be announced. Ndigbo are the least tribe to complain if all that was at stake is chop money. You of all people know that. But it is more than that. When you hear marginalisation from the east you suddenly develop erection and masturbate on your good fortunes. Monumental blindness! The cry for 2nd Niger Bridge can not be more than that for Lagos Ibadan expressway. Goodnight! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 9:02pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:Well how you achieve Biafra is your choice. I am not one of you Just know that if you try violence the Yoruba will do what they did in 1967. So better prepare well this time Nations do not always implode because there are disgruntled minorities whether in the USA Russia China Australia etc Just cause does not always translate into justice Even if there is a violent implosion you might be the biggest losers Just like the Jews were kicked out of Jerusalem 2000 years ago so also can you The entire Igboland or significant chunks of it could be evacuated and repopulated with Fulani and nothing would happen Learn the art of fighting without fighting. You need theYoruba more than they need you but you are blinded by arrogance If in the past you could claim you did not know what the Yoruba would do if you tried a violent secession now you do The message is Hapu Nigeria is like a cult You cannot resign. Devote your energy to managing how others perceive you. That is a long term project It is not up to 100 years since WWII ended The belligerents are now partners in the EU. The Igbos continue to hold on to this illusion that they will one day get revenge 1 Like |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 9:13pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
It is said that no nation survives a second civil war so history is in our favour. If there is a war this time Biafra will succeed because America already has concerns about the Christians being killed and the ethnic cleansing going on in Nigeria. Even the Europeans too, and I'm sure Isreal will offer more support. There are a lot of Yorubas who are also Igbos due to inter-marriages so it will not be as easy for Yorubas to align with hausas to kill Igbos like 1967. We also have a lot of Igbos in the diaspora that will do everything possible to support to the fullest.Biafra will be restored no doubt, it's a matter of time! The longer and harder you push the Igbos away, the closer to Biafra they get 0monnak0da: |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 9:19pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:That Nigeria implodes will not neccessarily mean the birth of Biafra It could however mean permanent or long term evacuation of Igboland and replacement with others When I listen to some of you I cringe You guys do not understand what is at stake. If you did you would be very humble right now. Yoruba wre not naturally genocidal and have nothing to gain in killing Igbos War is unpredictable however. Your best chance in Nigeria is to seek a guarantee of neutrality from Yoruba. Right now that is unrealistic if you start war you will pay dearly If you like key in to 1.a Yoruba president project or 2.a igbo presidency or Fulani presidency to spite Yoruba. Definitely Igbo presidency will not happen in 2023 The choice is yours. You only have bad choices and have to choose the least bad 1 Like |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by forgiveness: 9:21pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
nku5: Do you mean to say Ironsi abolished regionalism? I am learning. |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 9:23pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
What is at stake? Bubu gave visa free entrance to Fulanis from North Africa? Before they will get to East they would have flooded West! They know they are not compatible with SE so they wouldn't even come there. Or what else is happening? You seem to downplay the strength of Igbos, you forgot the rest of Nigeria fought Biafra for 3 yrs with the support of UK, US, Russia, Egypt? If not the Biafrans would have defeated Nigeria. Igbos are the second largest group in Nigeria so talking about relocation is impossible! 0monnak0da: |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 9:26pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
forgiveness:He did Decree 34 of 1966 1 Like |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by forgiveness: 9:29pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
0monnak0da: Confirmed. Ironsi not Gowon abolished regionalism. Thanks |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 9:32pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful: They held out for so long because Nigeria gave them food for over a year. This time that would never happen. Here is the problem with you. You talk so much about injustice without a practical way forward. Outrage is not a plan You will suffer heavily without Yoruba support if you go to war. You need to think more long term but sadly as a group you lack discipline W |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Area4Area: 9:34pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:Tell us you hate Igbos and stop ascribing that hate and bile in you for the Igbos to me. |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 9:38pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
By their fruits we shall know them. You have not hidden you hatred for Igbos! But to be a coward for not defending your hatred but denying it is pathetic! Btw I cannot hate my people! Area4Area: |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Area4Area: 9:44pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
nku5:Are you saying that regional power now supersedes that of the centre for Ojukwu to have unilaterally secede from the union? Eastern region laws doesn't and cannot override that of the federal government. Federal government says no secession and it is binding on all component parts |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 9:45pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
We would suffer but bounce back again just like Germany and Isreal. But Nigeria surviving another civil war? After what you did to the useful tools(middle belt) after the first civil war? They won't join you this time! We have lot of Igbos in SW so definitely SW will also be a theater of war. You should be afraid more due to the high level of foreigners in SW! Igbos will survive, we always do! 0monnak0da: |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Area4Area: 9:47pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
0monnak0da:This is the major problem Igbos today are failing to understand. |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Area4Area: 9:51pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:Just see how you just bastardized the history of two countries, why not stick to what you have a full knowledge about? |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 9:51pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:Talk is cheap. Yoruba will not fire the first shot When you are ready roll the dice 1 Like |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by gidgiddy: 9:52pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
0monnak0da: Self determination is enshrined in international laws and conventions Nigeria has signed up to. It is the right of all indigenous people of the land to agitate for which country they want belong to. The current agitation for Biafra is about referendum which will allow the Igbos to decide their destination. Referendum is not war. If the Biafran agitators will never get referendum, and they are wasting their time agitating, it is theirs to waste. It has nothing to with a Yoruba man in Ibadan or a Hausa man in Kano. This same restructuring is what Ojukwu went to get in Aburi over 50 years ago. It was agreed and signed. 4 months after they came back from Aburi, Gowon broke that agreement by enacting decree 14 which abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control and fiscal federation. Ojukwu retaliated by declaring Biafra. The same people who are today shouting about restructuring are those who helped Gowon to fight Ojukwu so as to get Nigeria where it is today. Now they are talking about restructuring Nigeria to a system which they helped Gowon to remove Laughable |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 9:54pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
gidgiddy: What is the way forward? All that talk will not result in Biafra All this talk is empty and impotent What is the plan? War? Ojukwu went to Aburi for restructuring THAT is laughable Who changed the structure in the first place? It was Ironsi with decree 34 1966 |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 9:56pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
Why not tell us the history? You want to behave like INEC that said result is fake without producing the original. Tell us the history! Area4Area: |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 9:59pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
An Igbo man has never killed a Yoruba man either in the SE, SW or anywhere in Nigeria. Biafra war was for self preservation! Mention a time where you heard Igbo man kill a Yoruba, so I dont understand why you feel we will fire a shot at Yorubas when no history supports this. We are not your enemy in reality! 0monnak0da: |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Nobody: 10:04pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
What this dunderheads, most especially delusional clowns like most people here don't get is that IF there's to be another civil war in Nigeria today, EVERY region in Nigeria will be affected, and will be a theater of war. Some fools still think we are in 1967 where the war was brought to the East, and mostly fought there... today lots of things have changed, the power play for one is longer favorable to the Igbos( which was the case in the First republic that engendered the fear of Ibo domination)... the political landscape has also significantly changed in the context recent events... the Middle belt who were used as willing tools and foot soldiers to prosecute the war during Biafra definitely won't take sides with the North these time for obvious reasons not helped in part by the Fulani killings of their people... the duplicity of the South South won't play out cause we know they sabotaged Biafra due to the creation of states by Gowon, and the much touted fear of Igbo domination. Now all these factors are no longer in the favor of the war noisemakers... only the West is in debate cause they are neither here or there, but a better sense of fact tells me they have been shortchanged by their Northern masters, and won't play ball to their machinations anymore... So the question is, who and who will fight the Igbos in a second war? |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Area4Area: 10:06pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
brightokechukwu:Start the civil war as soon as possible or do you need any moral support? 1967 would be child's play |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 10:06pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:What happened in Ore ?Lagos? We are committed to Nigeria . If Nigeria must end it MUST be replaced with something better in terms of peace and security Not chaos which is what IPOB want Biafra achieved by force would mean endless war on our door step. We know that Biafa will seek to annex the Niger Delta We will not permit that . Biafra in our view is at BEST a 50 year project if done politically It might be quicker if done by force but you have a 50 50 chance of success and a very high cost if you fail |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by Area4Area: 10:11pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
DMerciful:Stop the threats about the next war and start it off already. |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by 0monnak0da: 10:13pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
Area4Area: I wonder o 1 Like |
Re: Full Text Of The Aburi Accord by DMerciful(m): 10:18pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
What happened in Ore was because the military government situated in Lagos first attacked Biafra so Biafrans were taking the war to Gowon to remove him. Ofcourse there will be resistance. They did not shoot civilians, w Did they? Now you have spoken your mind on not wanting Biafra as not necessarily the issue of building bridges but your fear of the aftermath. Why not chart your own determination? Nigeria is a mere geographical expression and as such a nation cannot come out of it in a million years. Unless you have accepted that you ok with the way Nigeria is for a long time because it's only gonna get worse. Where is your ambition? Dont you want to stay in a country that will someday be referred to as a developed country? Nigeria cannt achieve this forever to why stay on this ship? Niger Delta you say you are protecting? Is it Imo or Abia or Anioma that part on Niger Delta? Niger Delta will be the first to leave after Biafra! 0monnak0da: |
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