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Dupamecano:
LOL, one of you confused souls told me that CIA fact book is the only credible source for population figures. Now that i'm using his own numbers against him someone else is telling me its not a credible source.

how can CIA factbook be credible for population figures when they don't conduct census? They make assumption like urself based on what a country census board says...... and we all know Nigeria's population census is one of the biggest sham in the whole universe.

It doesnt matter how widely spoken a language is, fulfulde is arguable more widely spoken than hausa or any other language for that matter but it doesnt have more speakers than hausa. What matters here is how many people speak the language.

oga, swahili is widely spoken and has more speakers than Hausa, u haven't proven me wrong.

theenchanter:
how can CIA factbook be credible for population figures when they don't conduct census? They make assumption like urself based on what a country census board says...... and we all know Nigeria's population census is one of the biggest sham in the whole universe.
oga, swahili is widely spoken and has more speakers than Hausa, u haven't proven me wrong.

LOL They don't conduct census but they have estimates someone here said were the only reliable population estimates and thats why i brought up the CIA fact book. Then again all sources dont conduct census but rather project based on underlying assumptions and more importantly data. If you cant rely on a credible body to make accurate reliable assumptions then most estimates out there cant be trusted. Funny thing is according to you the only body that conducted a census is not reliable. LMAO Okay.

As a nigerian, what percentage do you think hausas and fulanis make up and what percentage do you reckon speak hausa?

Are you re.tarded? since when did more widely spoken mean have more speakers? a lot of languages are more widely spoken than yoruba or igbo for instance but that doesnt mean they have more speakers. why cant you grasp this simple concept?

theenchanter:
the highlighted is another factless assumption!

If there is any credible source that has hausas and fulanis at less than 35% of nigerias population please provide it. You people are just in denial. Its shameful.

Dupamecano:
LOL They don't conduct census but they have estimates someone here said were the only reliable population estimates and thats why i brought up the CIA fact book. Then again all sources dont conduct census but rather project based on underlying assumptions and more importantly data. If you cant rely on a credible body to make accurate reliable assumptions then most estimates out there cant be trusted. Funny thing is according to you the only body that conducted a census is not reliable. LMAO Okay.

As a nigeria, what percentage do you think hausas and fulanis make up and what percentage do you reckon speak hausa?

Are you re.tarded? since when did more widely spoken mean have more speakers? a lot of languages are more widely spoken than yoruba or igbo for instance but that doesnt mean they have more speakers. why cant you grasp this simple concept?

u only reiterated my claim in d first paragraph..... those sources on Nigeria's population figure are not reliable cos our population figure isn't credible in d first place, and they base their prediction on our figures.

This language matter dey totori u o, simply because u don't want to agree that Swahili has more speakers than Hausa.

Listen attentively or read carefully..... Swahili is spoken all over E. Africa. Swahili is the official language in 3 E. African countries (kenya, tanzania and uganda).. the population of those 3 countries is roughly 150m, now add that to other E. African nations that make swahili their 2nd or 3rd language, not forgetting congo and southern Africa.

Just dont boil over, oga.

Dupamecano:
If there is any credible source that has hausas and fulanis at less than 35% of nigerias population please provide it. You people are just in denial. Its shameful.

but u said its 40%. U no get urself.

Dupamecano:
This unrepentant obtuse im.becile summarizes all the reforms by muhammad salman into just publicly trading saudi aramco. LOL! What about the more progressive policies, the tech hubs being built and saudis investment in major tech companies in the world amongst other things? Just because on such step failed makes it an exercise in futility? what a clown!

The majority of gbagyis in abuja are muslim. Infact the state itself is named after a man called Abu (abubakar) who was fair and in hausa terms referred to as ja (red). Not that it matters what religion they follow. In the end, if we want it, we will take it for ourselves. Theres a reason why we moved the capital there.


Let me quote an excerpt from the kano chronicles for you about your kwararafa:

"The thirteenth Sarki was Kanajeji. His father's name was Yaji. His
mothier's naiime was Aunaka. He was a Sarki who engaged in many wars. He
hardly lived in Kano at all, but scoured the country round and conquered the
towns. He lived for some tinme near the rock of Gija. He sent to the Kworarafa
and asked why they did. not pay him tribute. Tliey gave him two hunidred slaves.
Then he returned to Kano and kept sending the Kworarafa horses while they
continued to send him slaves"

one of many such quotes about how impotent your people are. This is who you'll always be to us. We will crush you as we please.
But the numbers or demographics dont matter, in the end we built that state. We made it what it is and we will take it whether you like it or not and theres nothing you impotent ninnies can do about it.

Actually, Majority of Abuja land belongs to the Gbagi people of[b] Suleja Emirate[/b], the people are Gbagi but the emirate was under the Zaria emirate and during the Jihad of Usman Dan Fidoye, Zauzau was moved down to Suleja and present day Abuja, but the Gbagi in Abuja are a majority Christians, reasons why the only senator representing FCT has always being Christians.

I'm very conversant with north central very well and I can tell you that majority of people in this zone apart from Niger state and obviously Kwara and Kogi are Christians. The ethnic riots in the north has made these people to detest core-northerners. This also result in senseless killing of Hausa-Fulani (Muslim) on highway leading to Bauchi in Plateau states and road in southern Kaduna.

If Nigeria were to disintegration today, most of the areas inhabited by northern minorities will be reluctant to go with the core-north because of the history of intolerance of core north and the mutual suspicious both group have for one another.

Finally, hubris of people like you is doing more arm to the Hausa-Fulani than good, religion should never be the overriding factor to how you relate with your neighbors and people in most cases share similarity with you. Tribes in southern Kaduna, Kebbi, Plateau have a lot in common to the Hausa but religion has created too much hatred that in most cases lead people to go up in arm

The caliphate was abolished in 1903

theenchanter:
first and foremost, CIA factbook is not a credible link... and i didn't see ur "other sources".

But when u know that Swahili is the major language of 3 E. African countries and widely spoken in E. Africa and some part of Southern Africa.. u dont need a soothsayer to remind u of d obvious.

Many Hollywood movies, many articles, have always attributed Swahili as the lingua franca of Africa.

I remember in my college days overseas, had school mates from Tanzania, Kenya, Rwanda and they could all communicate in Swahili. I really admired it.
Moreover Swahili is very interesting to the ear. Some words I picked then ugali, kyundule etc.

Swahili is a very interesting language
As for Hausa, not much is known about it in the global space. But Swahili is well known. Even Yoruba is more known globally.

myobjective:
Actually, Majority of Abuja land belongs to the Gbagi people of[b] Suleja Emirate[/b], the people are Gbagi but the emirate was under the Zaria emirate and during the Jihad of Usman Dan Fidoye, Zauzau was moved down to Suleja and present day Abuja, but the Gbagi in Abuja are a majority Christians, reasons why the only senator representing FCT has always being Christians.

I'm very conversant with north central very well and I can tell you that majority of people in this zone apart from Niger state and obviously Kwara and Kogi are Christians. The ethnic riots in the north has made these people to detest core-northerners. This also result in senseless killing of Hausa-Fulani (Muslim) on highway leading to Bauchi in Plateau states and road in southern Kaduna.

If Nigeria were to disintegration today, most of the areas inhabited by northern minorities will be reluctant to go with the core-north because of the history of intolerance of core north and the mutual suspicious both group have for one another.

Finally, hubris of people like you is doing more arm to the Hausa-Fulani than good, religion should never be the overriding factor to how you relate with your neighbors and people in most cases share similarity with you. Tribes in southern Kaduna, Kebbi, Plateau have a lot in common to the Hausa but religion has created too much hatred that in most cases lead people to go up in arm

As in I was shocked by something's he wrote. You can imagine calling southerners and middle belt barbarians, educated illiterates. .
Honestly this thread revealed a Lot of mindsets to me.

He doesn't even know that the major problem drawing Nigeria back from massive development is the core North.
They feel they are superior to others but ordinary basic education they don't have.
They are filled with pride.

And pride goes before destruction.
Anyman puffed up with pride, I am sorry for such a person.

djon78:
Many Hollywood movies, many articles, have always attributed Swahili as the lingua franca of Africa.

I remember in my college days overseas, had school mates from Tanzania, Kenya, Rwanda and they could all communicate in Swahili. I really admired it.
Moreover Swahili is very interesting to the ear. Some words I picked then ugali, kyundule etc.

Swahili is a very interesting language
As for Hausa, not much is known about it in the global space. But Swahili is well known. Even Yoruba is more known globally.

Swahili is easy more popular than hausa especially on a global level and particularly among african americans where the hollywood obsession comes from. I attributed to that multiple times here. I think thats where the misconception that it has more speakers than hausa comes from. But if we are going solely by numbers, swahili cant stand against hausa. People lie, numbers dont.

I reiterate, anyone who comes up with the idea of an african lingua franca is a special kind of dummy.

Nowenuse:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwararafa

Read about Kwararafa and get some sense. It is from Wikipedia but read the references there!

And why didn't you talk about the Nok?

LMAO How didnt i see this? Wikipedia? Dude, i am very versed in the history of the north and the middle belt. The biggest achievement of that savage colony was sacking one hausa kingdom or the other at various points but overall they were known as slave centers and have been conquered by various hausa kings from yaji to kaneneji to amina to kisoki. The only success they had were in the later years when hausa states were experiencing financial turmoil and were weakened by the poor leadership of the hausa kings. But in the grand scheme of things, the kworarafa are a useless non factor when it comes to the powerhouses in the region. Like i said, the biggest structure erect before the brits came to kwararafa was an anthill.

See this nonentity... Everyone knows that 90% of the foot soldiers who fought the civil war against Biafra under Gowon where Northern Christians and Middlebelters. I lost uncles within my family and my hometown.. how many did you loose? Ignoramus.

Hausa fulanis were evicted from Tafawa Balewa town in Bauchi in 2011... That town is in Bauchi state which is over 70% Muslim. Go and reclaim that town.

You people started crisis, well prepared in Kaduna but in the entire south of Kaduna river there is no muslim dominated Angwa, but in the north of the river there are multiple Christian dominated Angwas.

All these conflicts where you people were dealt with, you people came well prepared to attack, but we were not even prepared but we still deal with you people. Imagine when we become well prepared?

LOL Like i said, you are nothing but cannon fodder.

As for Kaduna im glad you clowns are deluded to see what happened there as victories cause I vividly remember these dweebs weeping to the international community for help. Thats how you dealt with us? common herdsmen have made your LGs inhabitable and you think you can withstand the wrath of an organized hausa or fulani society? LMAO! Deluded the lot of you.

djon78:
As in I was shocked by something's he wrote. You can imagine calling southerners and middle belt barbarians, educated illiterates. .
Honestly this thread revealed a Lot of mindsets to me.

He doesn't even know that the major problem drawing Nigeria back from massive development is the core North.
They feel they are superior to others but ordinary basic education they don't have.
They are filled with pride.

And pride goes before destruction.
Anyman puffed up with pride, I am sorry for such a person.

First of all its a well known fact that you lot were barbarians running about unclad, no better than bonobo gorillas and still would be if not for the europeans who saved you.

Also the fact that you lot claim education and still are so oblivious to the things going on around you makes you educated illiterates. If we are who you claim we are and you allow us to hold you back what does that make you?

Like i said you educated illiterates have been brainwashed into blaming the north for everything. You have leaders, senators ministers governors and presidents at various points and all they did is rob you blind. You lot have higher allocations and somehow today a lot of northern governors are performing better than yours. Instead of you to hold them accountable all you think about is the north like obsessed side chicks. Like i said, educated illiterates.

Dupamecano:
Lol, But according to the cia factbook your "intelligent" mate "myobjective" was talking about, hausas and fulanis have 36% of nigerias population. The fact that you are pegging our population at 30% shows how confused and deluded you are,. The funny thing is even as 120 m thats higher than any credible estimate for swahili speakers. Its hard to argue with someone living in fantasy world.

Out of the so called 19 northern states. Hausa fulanis dominate only 6 (Katsina, Kano, Jigawa, Zamfara, Sokoto & Kebbi).
Kaduna, Gombe & Bauchi are like a 50/50 between Hausa fulanis and minority tribes. That leaves 10 dominated by minorities... How then can you people have more than 30% of Nigeria? If the South + Kwara are 50% of Nigeria?

Do the mathematics. Swahili is spoken by almost everybody in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda & Burundi and these countries combined are 120 million people!
Half (Northern) Uganda & The Eastern ¼ of Congo speaks Swahili and that is about 35 million people....
We are not even counting Comoros and the minority Swahili speakers in Malawi, Zambia and even Oman.

Swahili and Hausa have no business of comparison.... Swahili has been a trade language for hundreds of years along coastal East Africa where it evolved and spread into the hinterlands.
Hausa on the other hand has about half of it's speakers as native speakers.

Dupamecano:
Yes, partner with him, give us a good reason to legitimately "reassess" your population. Of all the people you should partner with you choose that scoundrel? lmao. Easy dub for the north yet again

Do you think Nigeria can withstand a coalition of all Northern christians, Igbos & Niger deltans? That's already half of the country.

Can a country survive half of it's population demanding seccession?

Nowenuse:
Out of the so called 19 northern states. Hausa fulanis dominate only 6 (Katsina, Kano, Jigawa, Zamfara, Sokoto & Kebbi).
Kaduna, Gombe & Bauchi are like a 50/50 between Hausa fulanis and minority tribes. That leaves 10 dominated by minorities... How then can you people have more than 30% of Nigeria? If the South + Kwara are 50% of Nigeria?

Do the mathematics. Swahili is spoken by almost everybody in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda & Burundi and these countries combined are 120 million people!
Half (Northern) Uganda & The Eastern ¼ of Congo speaks Swahili and that is about 35 million people....
We are not even counting Comoros and the minority Swahili speakers in Malawi, Zambia and even Oman.

Swahili and Hausa have no business of comparison.... Swahili has been a trade language for hundreds of years along coastal East Africa where it evolved and spread into the hinterlands.
Hausa on the other hand has about half of it's speakers as native speakers.

Lets pretend your botched stats are accurate. You are still saying that hausas and fulanis dominate the most populous states in the north with significant populations in every other state. A common mistake a lot of you people here hilariously make is you confuse ubiquity with quantity. Your assumptions have no basis other than your sentiments and jealousy against the people that have given you so much even though they didnt have to. Any one who puts hausa and fulani people in Nigeria at less than at least 35% is either a mo.ron or being intentionally obtuse.

LOL Even the most generous fans of swahili wont quote such ridiculous figures. How comes you are generous when putting out figures for swahili speakers but frugal when putting out figures for hausa speakers even when it goes against all common sense.

Swahili may be spoken in more places but that doesnt mean it has more speakers. Hausa has also been used as a language of trade for sahelian ethnicities for centuries now. You said you had hausa speakers at 120m and now swahili at roughly 150m (LMAO) but now its not a competition when these are the only two indigenous african languages that hit 9 figures as far as speakers? You should be ashamed of yourself. Everyone here can see your bias and its embarrassing! With all this, you dare say hausas are losing their identity? You're filled with bile and anger and quite frankly i want you to know from the bottom of my heart, i speak for other core northerners when i say, we couldnt care less about your people whoever the hell they are are. They dont begin to measure up. In the end hausa and hausa people are put in conversations with great languages and great empires and great people while no one even mentions you. You will forever be in our shadow. You cant even begin to reach the heights that we've scaled.

Dupamecano:
First of all its a well known fact that you lot were barbarians running about unclad, no better than bonobo gorillas and still would be if not for the europeans who saved you.

Also the fact that you lot claim education and still are so oblivious to the things going on around you makes you educated illiterates. If we are who you claim we are and you allow us to hold you back what does that make you?

Like i said you educated illiterates have been brainwashed into blaming the north for everything. You have leaders, senators ministers governors and presidents at various points and all they did is rob you blind. You lot have higher allocations and somehow today a lot of northern governors are performing better than yours. Instead of you to hold them accountable all you think about is the north like obsessed side chicks. Like i said, educated illiterates.

anybody that resort to insult in d face of sublime discussion has a very low IQ, It is a phenomenon common with pride and superiority complex when one is bereft of knowledge on a subject but has to say something in order to remain relevant. U can actually pass ur bare message without d insult!

That said. When the southerner says North is Nigeria's major problem, we dont mean to say North is holding us ( the southerners) back but rather the country as a whole.... check

1.... Nigeria (as a whole) is the poverty capital of the world, thanks to North.
2..... Nigeria (as a whole) is d country with most out-of- school children, north is d culprit.
3.....Nigeria (as a whole) is one of d few countries in d world where some diseases can still be found, ur guess is as good as mine too.

And so on...

But when these stats come up, we the southerners know that majority of those ills reside in d North and does not evenly spread across Nigeria.

Dupamecano:
First of all its a well known fact that you lot were barbarians running about unclad, no better than bonobo gorillas and still would be if not for the europeans who saved you.

Also the fact that you lot claim education and still are so oblivious to the things going on around you makes you educated illiterates. If we are who you claim we are and you allow us to hold you back what does that make you?

Like i said you educated illiterates have been brainwashed into blaming the north for everything. You have leaders, senators ministers governors and presidents at various points and all they did is rob you blind. You lot have higher allocations and somehow today a lot of northern governors are performing better than yours. Instead of you to hold them accountable all you think about is the north like obsessed side chicks. Like i said, educated illiterates.

Why must everything be controlled by Abuja? Example the issue of electricity, many Southern governments were able to generate electricity but instead of channeling it to the generated areas, rather it must be channeled to the ineffective national grid. If it was not like that many southern states should have had steady electricity by now.

Likewise many things must be channeled to Abuja. Decentralizarion or going into regions would have enabled each area to move at its own pace.

The core North draws development of this nation back. Education wise they don't go to school. They have the highest number of out of school children in the continent. Still they claim superior to everyone.

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[b]First of all its a well known fact that you lot were barbarians running about unclad, no better than bonobo gorillas and still would be if not for the europeans who saved you.[/b

]

The Benin Empire had contact with the Portuguese as far back as the 15th century when most Hausa State were still living like barbarian " Portuguese arrived in Benin, Nigeria, in the fifteenth century, to trade with the Benin empire when Hausa were still raided by the Songhai for slave(Kano became a tributary state of Songhai after its capture about 1513 by Muḥammad I Askia of the Songhai empire)

Also the fact that you lot claim education and still are so oblivious to the things going on around you makes you educated illiterates. If we are who you claim we are and you allow us to hold you back what does that make you?

Nigeria centralize system is what is actually holding the rest of Nigeria back. During the colonial era, the north was by far the poorest region in Nigeria, reason why it was joined together with the colony of Lagos and southern protectorate " The British treasury initially supported the landlocked Northern Nigeria Protectorate with grants, totalling £250,000 or more each year. Its revenue quickly increased, from[b] £4,424 in 1901 to £274,989 [/b]in 1910. The Southern Protectorate financed[b] itself from the outset, with revenue increasing from £361,815 to £1,933,235 over the same period[/b]"

Like i said you educated illiterates have been brainwashed into blaming the north for everything. You have leaders, senators ministers governors and presidents at various points and all they did is rob you blind. You lot have higher allocations and somehow today a lot of northern governors are performing better than yours. Instead of you to hold them accountable all you think about is the north like obsessed side chicks. Like i said, educated illiterates.

You must be insane to believe this garbage you typed above, Northerners are generally more corrupt and less innovative when given the opportunity to lead any state or society reasons why 87% of poor Nigeria reside in the north. They are always reactionary and daft of any critical thinking reasons why the core north is one of the most backward region not only in Nigeria but world over. If we are to very frank the core north doesn't deserve any allocation because they hardly bring anything to the table and they are not ready to improve on themselves.

theenchanter:
anybody that resort to insult in d face of sublime discussion has a very low IQ, It is a phenomenon common with pride and superiority complex when one is bereft of knowledge on a subject but has to say something in order to remain relevant. U can actually pass ur bare message without d insult!

That said. When the southerner says North is Nigeria's major problem, we dont mean to say North is holding us ( the southerners) back but rather the country as a whole.... check

1.... Nigeria (as a whole) is the poverty capital of the world, thanks to North.
2..... Nigeria (as a whole) is d country with most out-of- school children, north is d culprit.
3.....Nigeria (as a whole) is one of d few countries in d world where some diseases can still be found, ur guess is as good as mine too.

And so on...

But when these stats come up, we the southerners know that majority of those ills reside in d North and does not evenly spread across Nigeria.

LOOL You spew all that trash and then question my IQ? If all these things reside in the north the south must be utopian no? take northern nigeria out of the equation and the south still ranks at the bottom in every HDI index. For instance if you take northern nigeria out of the equation, say thats half the population and contribute nothing to the economy, the GDP per capita of the south is just over 4000 usd which is woeful! You dont have roads or simple amenities that these leaders should provide. In the end tags like poverty capital shouldnt affect you since by your assumption you dont have poverty and therefore doesnt directly impact your situation no? Like i said, you lot are delusional, refusing to take responsibility for your shortcomings. Cant possibly be your incompetence and that of your leaders, has to be someone else yes? You speak of hubris, care to look in the mirror?

Nowenuse:
Out of the so called 19 northern states. Hausa fulanis dominate only 6 (Katsina, Kano, Jigawa, Zamfara, Sokoto & Kebbi).
Kaduna, Gombe & Bauchi are like a 50/50 between Hausa fulanis and minority tribes. That leaves 10 dominated by minorities... How then can you people have more than 30% of Nigeria? If the South + Kwara are 50% of Nigeria?

Do the mathematics. Swahili is spoken by almost everybody in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda & Burundi and these countries combined are 120 million people!
Half (Northern) Uganda & The Eastern ¼ of Congo speaks Swahili and that is about 35 million people....
We are not even counting Comoros and the minority Swahili speakers in Malawi, Zambia and even Oman.

Swahili and Hausa have no business of comparison.... Swahili has been a trade language for hundreds of years along coastal East Africa where it evolved and spread into the hinterlands.
Hausa on the other hand has about half of it's speakers as native speakers.

Hausa-Fulani like to tell others and themselves comforting lies, they are afraid to face their demons of laziness, unproductive, intolerance,backwardness and illiteracy. The few enlighten and educated ones that has gotten to their present conditions through the backdoor of nepotism and quota system want to always continue the narrative that all is well when the reality is staring the face in the form of insecurities, poverty, Illiteracy, under age pregnancy, being the largest baby factory in the word etc. The reality is Nigeria would have been a better country without this group.

The Benin Empire had contact with the Portuguese as far back as the 15th century when most Hausa State were still living like barbarian " Portuguese arrived in Benin, Nigeria, in the fifteenth century, to trade with the Benin empire when Hausa were still raided by the Songhai for slave(Kano became a tributary state of Songhai after its capture about 1513 by Muḥammad I Askia of the Songhai empire)

Contact with the Portuguese? You mean the portuguese who maimed raided pillaged humiliated and enslaved them? packed them into ships like sardines and sent them off all over the world? this is what you are proud about? that wasnt contact, that was decimation. You should never bring that up with pride.

Dude dont talk about history because you clearly know nothing about it. Muhammad Askiya married off his daughter auwa (who later became one of the influential women in hausa land) to muhammad rumfa as sort of a peace offering. This is a time when kano was at the height of its commercial strength and attracted merchants and traders from all over the world including the famous traveller leo africanus. Rumfas palace was one of the the richest and most flamboyant in the continent. Shortly after askiyas invasion of kano, Muhammad Kotal Kanta of Kebbi, another hausa king, took advantage of divisions within the songhai and was able to defeat the songhais in hausa land. Subsequent kings like rumfas son Abdullahi and his grand son Muhammad Kisoki were able to conquer former songhai tributaries. This is what we were up to during the 15th and 16th century. You on the other hand were getting abused and violated by europeans.

Nigeria centralize system is what is actually holding the rest of Nigeria back. During the colonial era, the north was by far the poorest region in Nigeria, reason why it was joined together with the colony of Lagos and southern protectorate " The British treasury initially supported the landlocked Northern Nigeria Protectorate with grants, totalling £250,000 or more each year. Its revenue quickly increased, from[b] £4,424 in 1901 to £274,989 [/b]in 1910. The Southern Protectorate financed[b] itself from the outset, with revenue increasing from £361,815 to £1,933,235 over the same period[/b]"

Fvck the brits. Part of the norths poor economic performance was its refusal to kowtow to their demands because unlike you we are not their b-tches. Also, you're right, lack of ports is also a factor but that is not anyones fault. You may be comfortable making another man rich, thats not who we are.

You must be insane to believe this garbage you typed above, Northerners are generally more corrupt and less innovative when given the opportunity to lead any state or society reasons why 87% of poor Nigeria reside in the north. They are always reactionary and daft of any critical thinking reasons why the core north is one of the most backward region not only in Nigeria but world over. If we are to very frank the core north doesn't deserve any allocation because they hardly bring anything to the table and they are not ready to improve on themselves.

More corrupt based on what? i've been to the south and i see nothing but misery. Lacking fundamental social amenities. Northern governors have performed better by a margin. The ones who havent are either disposed of or rebelled against. My only qualms about northern leaders is they're investing in the wrong thing. They should be investing on human capital and things like education and healthcare, not roads and bridges.

Dupamecano:
Contact with the Portuguese? You mean the portuguese who maimed raided pillaged humiliated and enslaved them? packed them into ships like sardines and sent them off all over the world? this is what you are proud about? that wasnt contact, that was decimation. You should never bring that up with pride.

Dude dont talk about history because you clearly know nothing about it. Muhammad Askiya married off his daughter auwa (who later became one of the influential women in hausa land) to muhammad rumfa as sort of a peace offering. This is a time when kano was at the height of its commercial strength and attracted merchants and traders from all over the world including the famous traveller leo africanus. Rumfas palace was one of the the richest and most flamboyant in the continent. Shortly after askiyas invasion of kano, Muhammad Kotal Kanta of Kebbi, another hausa king, took advantage of divisions within the songhai and was able to defeat the songhais in hausa land. Subsequent kings like rumfas son Abdullahi and his grand son Muhammad Kisoki were able to conquer former songhai tributaries. This is what we were up to during the 15th and 16th century. You on the other hand were getting abused and violated by europeans.


Fvck the brits. Part of the norths poor economic performance was its refusal to kowtow to their demands because unlike you we are not their b-tches. Also, you're right, lack of ports is also a factor but that is not anyones fault. You may be comfortable making another man rich, thats not who we are.


More corrupt based on what? i've been to the south and i see nothing but misery. Lacking fundamental social amenities. Northern governors have performed better by a margin. The ones who havent are either disposed of or rebelled against. My only qualms about northern leaders is they're investing in the wrong thing. They should be investing on human capital and things like education and healthcare, not roads and bridges.

If you stop your hubris then we can have a meaningful conversation here my guy.

I'm not just any southerner, I'm a northern born and bred Yoruba. I speak the language, attended all my schools here in the north. I was forced to study Hausa literature for three years in secondary school, so I know what I'm saying.

Nigeria is generally a low-income country across board but the northern region is far far behind other part of Nigeria in so many things like literacy, poverty alleviation, social mobility, tolerance, conducive environment for investment and trade. Can the north improved her position if she is willing to opened up and undergo social reform? The answer is yes, but also she mustn't piss off her neighbors in the south in other to warrant them to demand having a different country.

I started Following active political happening since 2000 and I know how many pioneering democratically elected governors from the north wasted a golden opportunity to positioned their states on the path of growth to chase what I termed political "Sharia" all in the name of getting cheap popularity from the army of illiterate and religious intolerance followers. Thereby, sacrificing real nation building through investment in education, female empowerment and general well-being of their people. The only governor that tried in this respect was that of Katsina (Sheu Musa Yaradua, may God forgive his sins). He build road, schools, empowered women and opened up the states to the outside world, despite all these most people in the urban area hate him (especially the Izala movement in the state) , they even labelled him unbeliever. He won his re-election thanks to those in the rural areas who saw is good works in the domain, since most urban dwellers were radicalized by this religious promoters.

Fast forward to today, Zamfara state, which was at the fore front of "political sharia" implementation is the poorest and one of the most unstable state in the north while Yerima stole the state dry and refuse to invest a dime in any critical sector is being praised as a promoter of the deen. Until the northern middle class like you can have a very deep thinking and carry out a social revolution being propagated by his excellency Emir Sanusi, the north will always remain backward and their backwardness will make Nigeria and west Africa to be unstable.

djon78:
Why must everything be controlled by Abuja? Example the issue of electricity, many Southern governments were able to generate electricity but instead of channeling it to the generated areas, rather it must be channeled to the ineffective national grid. If it was not like that many southern states should have had steady electricity by now.

Likewise many things must be channeled to Abuja. Decentralizarion or going into regions would have enabled each area to move at its own pace.

The core North draws development of this nation back. Education wise they don't go to school. They have the highest number of out of school children in the continent. Still they claim superior to everyone.

I have a friend from Katsina that we normally discussed political matter with from our university days. There was a day we were discussing and this same issue came up. That day, he raised an important point that we southerners and middle beltan can't continue to blame the core-northerners for all the ills of society, since we now have democracy where each states and regions are represented in the national assembly and however, the south and middle belt together have more representative and hence can force the core-north to do what is right. The question is what are our representatives doing in the national assembly.

If a state like Kano decided to ban alcoholic sales when the constitution allows the consumption of alcohol, why must they partook in the sharing of tax accrue from such. What then is our legislature doing when alcohol is mostly consumed in the south and Kano get a lion share of tax from alcohol sales when they don't even allow it in their domain?

If Nigeria must change, we must all play of part from the type of people we elected to represent us at the federal government

myobjective:
I have a friend from Katsina that we normally discussed political matter with from our university days. There was a day we were discussing and this same issue came up. That day, he raised an important point that we southerners and middle beltan can't continue to blame the core-northerners for all the ills of society, since we now have democracy where each states and regions are represented in the national assembly and however, the south and middle belt together have more representative and hence can force the core-north to do what is right. The question is what are our representatives doing in the national assembly.

If a state like Kano decided to ban alcoholic sales when the constitution allows the consumption of alcohol, why must they partook in the sharing of tax accrue from such. What then is our legislature doing when alcohol is mostly consumed in the south and Kano get a lion share of tax from alcohol sales when they don't even allow it in their domain?

If Nigeria must change, we must all play of part from the type of people we elected to represent us at the federal government

This is the most sense you've made since you started posting on this thread.

Dupamecano:
LOOL You spew all that trash and then question my IQ? If all these things reside in the north the south must be utopian no? take northern nigeria out of the equation and the south still ranks at the bottom in every HDI index. For instance if you take northern nigeria out of the equation, say thats half the population and contribute nothing to the economy, the GDP per capita of the south is just over 4000 usd which is woeful! You dont have roads or simple amenities that these leaders should provide. In the end tags like poverty capital shouldnt affect you since by your assumption you dont have poverty and therefore doesnt directly impact your situation no? Like i said, you lot are delusional, refusing to take responsibility for your shortcomings. Cant possibly be your incompetence and that of your leaders, has to be someone else yes? You speak of hubris, care to look in the mirror?

i dont know d rationale behind burying ur head in sand like d proverbial ostrich.

The NBS is there for u to cure ur granduer delusion, dont even compare anything ranging from human development to economy between d north and south, take north out of Nigeria and Nigeria cant be on 0.55 hdi index, its true and u know it.... poverty in d north is at 87% and 7 states from d core north accounts for about 50%, its an open secret and i'm still amazed by ur denial.

How can a someone from a region brag over amenities in Nigeria when d country lack amenities? Which anenities does d north have that cant be found in d south nor vice-versa? Which kain megalomanaical hallucination be this?

I really like how u systematically avoided the menaace of out-of-school children which is an epidemic endemic to d core-north.

theenchanter:
i dont know d rationale behind burying ur head in sand like d proverbial ostrich.

The NBS is there for u to cure ur granduer delusion, dont even compare anything ranging from human development to economy between d north and south, take north out of Nigeria and Nigeria cant be on 0.55 hdi index, its true and u know it.... poverty in d north is at 87% and 7 states from d core north accounts for about 50%, its an open secret and i'm still amazed by ur denial.

How can a someone from a region brag over amenities in Nigeria when d country lack amenities? Which anenities does d north have that cant be found in d south nor vice-versa? Which kain megalomanaical hallucination be this?

I really like how u systematically avoided the menaace of out-of-school children which is an epidemic endemic to d core-north.

I'm under no illusions about what the north is. Its about this ridiculous notion that the south would be a utopian country without it. I took out the norths population to that effect and attributed the economic as a whole to the south. ie instead of spreading out its gdp across 200 million people i spread it out across 100 million, even using the assumption the north contributes nothing to the country the south is still a third world country.

Dupamecano:
I'm under no illusions about what the north is. Its about this ridiculous notion that the south would be a utopian country without it. I took out the norths population to that effect and attributed the economic as a whole to the south. ie instead of spreading out its gdp across 200 million people i spread it out across 100 million, even using the assumption the north contributes nothing to the country the south is still a third world country.

nobody says d south would be shangri-la without d north but it'll be far far far better than this quagmire among d comity of nations. I dont hate d north but ur pompous behaviour amidst huge societal problems.

Lets forget about d bickering, its only there to put everyone on their toes. We all know Nigeria will get better when the north's societal issues is down to d barest minimum.

theenchanter:
nobody says d south would be shangri-la without d north but it'll be far far far better than this quagmire among d comity of nations. I dont hate d north but ur pompous behaviour amidst huge societal problems.

Lets forget about d bickering, its only there to put everyone on their toes. We all know Nigeria will get better when the north's societal issues is down to d barest minimum.

If far far far better is going from a 3rd world country to a 3rd world country as the data suggests it would and thats what you're comfortable with then whatever tickes your fancy. Nigeria is really not as bad as you make it out to be. Though it was the potential to be far better, it could be a lot worse. I've never seen a country where the people are satisfied.

We get slandered and defamed but when we respond we are arrogant and pugnacious? really? there are a lot of misconceptions that make the north into a scape goat for the myriad of complex issues a country like nigeria has, issues a country like nigeria is supposed to have.

There you go again, this pretext that only the north has societal issues. Really? the south doesn't? Miss me with that.

Dupamecano:
If far far far better is going from a 3rd world country to a 3rd world country as the data suggests it would and thats what you're comfortable with then whatever tickes your fancy. Nigeria is really not as bad as you make it out to be. Though it was the potential to be far better, it could be a lot worse. I've never seen a country where the people are satisfied.

We get slandered and defamed but when we respond we are arrogant and pugnacious? really? there are a lot of misconceptions that make the north into a scape goat for the myriad of complex issues a country like nigeria has, issues a country like nigeria is supposed to have.

There you go again, this pretext that only the north has societal issues. Really? the south doesn't? Miss me with that.

WE?North?

There is NOTHING like that
This thread is about caliphate

Do not for one second assume that if the country splits there would be a Northern Nigeria


Identify with your ethnic group proudly and stop trying to lump Igala,Tiv Berom Jukun ,Idoma together with Fulani

The Yoruba in Kwara do not have the same poverty indices as Zamfara


Nothing like North

Don't be ashamed to be Fulani

Every part of the country has issues but Fulani want Sharia and that is driving in REVERSE.
NO HOPE

0m0nnakoda:
WE?North?

There is NOTHING like that
This thread is about caliphate

Do not for one second assume that if the country splits there would be a Northern Nigeria


Identify with your ethnic group proudly and stop trying to lump Igala,Tiv Berom Jukun ,Idoma together with Fulani

The Yoruba in Kwara do not have the same poverty indices as Zamfara


Nothing like North

Don't be ashamed to be Fulani

Every part of the country has issues but Fulani want Sharia and that is driving in REVERSE.
NO HOPE

I know, i never claimed you would be part of a hypothetical northern republic lmao wtf?