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Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by orunto27: 6:24pm On Mar 05, 2020
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Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by orunto27: 7:11pm On Mar 05, 2020
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Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by LegendHer0: 12:18am On Mar 06, 2020
Nowenuse:


Good comment.

I was traveling from Bauchi to Yola recently and in our bus we had a Yoruba muslim who dressed with kaftan and that white muslim cap and was trying his best to look very Islamic (perhaps to impress the northern muslims- I'm not sure)...
For the 8 hours journey that we travelled together, the Yoruba Muslim guy could only gist and socialize with we the Northern christians (who could speak English and pidgin very well) grin.
He felt like a complete outcast among the Hausa fulani muslims who dominated the vehicle just because he couldn't speak Hausa. .... They were even talking to him angrily at one time....
Everyone in the vehicle spoke Hausa and when the Yoruba guy speaks English, only we the Christians responded to him, the Hausa fulani muslims did not grin

I just shook my head at him. .... Some very foolish Yoruba/Igala/Edo muslims think that they have Muslim Hausa brothers in the north whom they can feel free with grin, but they eventually get the shock of their lives when they are among Hausa fulanis...

Nice narrative.

That's crazy tho. It's absurd if they could treat a fellow Muslim like their that way tho.

However, @the bolded, Kaftan and cap does not originate from Hausa/Fulani, so I don't think the guy is trying to impress them. He is just being Muslim.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by orisa37: 7:49am On Mar 06, 2020
orisa37:
Bokoharam wasn't a Nigerian before. Now he is. Father Mohammed Yusuf. Mother Aisha. Some of his Children: Gaidam Shettima Sheriff Buraitai Adamu Tanko, Bodejo ALHASSAN SALEH etcetera etcetera.




Please what is wrong with this FG that It doesn't know that the Government is MISBEHAVING seriously?

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Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by OgboAto: 9:34am On Mar 07, 2020
You can download an European explorer's eye witness account of Fulani's exploits in the north here. The account describes the treachery, bloodletting & genocidal activities of the Fulani against the north while giving credit to Dan Fodio for attempting to build a kingdom for himself. The narrative also captured how the Hausa were enslaved by the Fulani; how the Hausa became totally helpless but one Hausa kingdom managed to raise a revolt that lasted a shortwhile. This account captured the Fulani conquest to Nyffe [Nupe] & Oyo after which Yoruba repelled them. Finally, it discusses how the Borno almost collapsed the Fulani empire. How the Sheik of Borno sacked Fulani occupied Hausa towns one by one. It is an interesting read. See link beow:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c84ekj17kc42uzo/AABsY4FhMBZjG4f5Hv59Mbq9a?dl=0
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 10:50am On Mar 07, 2020
My brothers and sisters, Fulani people arent the problem, its the ideology and the malicious historicity that they've adopted that is problematic.

I hope its become clear to anyone that Usman Dan Fodio was an invader, a military commander of a jihadist campaign.

Islam isnt an African culture.

Islam is a manufactured religion that exist as a result of a combination of fakery and falsehood.

Similar to all the other Abrahamic religions, Islam was used as a secondary weapon behind the tip of a jihadist sword.

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Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 10:50am On Mar 07, 2020
The people of Sokoto predate the people of either Mecca or Medinna in years that would amount in their hundreds and thousands.

What does that tell us?

That ought to tell us that, the people of Arabia do not possess the qualifications, historical authority or the cultural right to be telling the people of Sokoto what is or what isnt.

In all reality, Nigerians possess the cultural right, historical autthority and the correct qualifications to be correcting the false narratives peddled by the Abrahamic religions.

Again, its important to note that when the people of Sokoto are existing in relative peace and harmony with their neighbours, Asia had yet to be discovered.

Furthermore, Aifricans are the first people to discover and populate Asia.


All human kind had their residence in the region of the world they now call Africa.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Bbbwings: 4:39am On May 07, 2020
Dupamecano:

There is nothing that definitively proves your sentiments right. Talk of common sense or logic doesn't even begin to apply. Problem with people like you is this condescending temperament, this belief that because something makes sense to you it has to be right or makes any other reasoning void.



This is one of the most ignorant statements you've put out so far. Not only is the poor treatment of women well documented but its one of the things even the detractors of islam give islam credit for curbing. Not to mention other aspects like advocating for more ethical and humane way of life from trade to marriage to everyday personal relationships. You may claim it doesnt fit with your ideology in this world but to claim these things were not improved upon with the coming of islam is the height of naivety. The prophets views on women? the person who forbade domestic abuse and all forms of injustices against women? Again the person who encouraged men to view women as something more than just property as they did before? LOL! Its very clear you dont even understand your argument, you have your distorted views based on stereotypes with no indepth knowledge of the religion or the era. Just one islamic law that was more oppressive to women than the status quo it met.

There is no credible evidence to say the persian or egyptian civilizations was hindered because of the advent of islam. That is just not true at all.

As far as religious tolerance, the prophets neighbor was a jew who would throw feces into his house constantly. The day he didnt the prophet checked on him to find out he was sick. There are many instances where the prophet advocated tolerance between muslims and especially "the people of the book", that is jews and christians. The only thing forced on them was jizya which was state tax.



No, the problem is people like you have no idea what you are talking about and only hold firm to wild misconceptions. For every verse, for every judgement, there are pretexts and conditions that led to them. For instance, a lot of charlatans like you falsely believe islam suggests every apostate should be killed. Heres the context, the idea was at a time when islam had a lot of enemies, there were a lot of hypocrites who would play both sides, or engage in activities like espionage which would ultimately lead to the loss of lives of muslims. The punishment is not for all apostates, its for apostates who leave islam and then instigate against islam. Thats akin to treason, in most countries today the punishment for treason is death. This is just one of many things you lot nitpick with no prior understanding or proper knowledge and try to demonize islam with.





Another ridiculous statement. Is the UAE not a muslim country? is malaysia not a muslim country? are they imposing on anyone? the most important thing which people like you find it very hard to do is to learn to respect other peoples way of lives. Just as you wouldnt slaughter a cow in front of a hindu you must learn to make compromises especially since they do not deprive you of any fundamental human right.


How many Jews are living in Saudi Arabia/ iran today if youguys are so tolerant
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 7:36pm On May 07, 2020
Bbbwings:

How many Jews are living in Saudi Arabia/ iran today if youguys are so tolerant
Iran is one of the most liberal countries in the world. Since the schism that occurred after the death of the Prophet PBUH, the persians continued on the path of liberalism they were before the advent of Islam. Today they legitimize various things from tattoos to gender reassignment surgeries. A lot of europeans and people from different backgrounds thrive in Persia, don't buy into media propaganda.

As for Saudi, they feel its their responsibility to reject any outside influences as much as possible. I think they're moving away from that these days but you can't nitpick only places that suit your agenda. Point is instead of condemning a religion you should instead implore the minority to be more like the majority.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 7:42pm On May 07, 2020
Amujale:
My brothers and sisters, Fulani people arent the problem, its the ideology and the malicious historicity that they've adopted that is problematic.

I hope its become clear to anyone that Usman Dan Fodio was an invader, a military commander of a jihadist campaign.

Islam isnt an African culture.

Islam is a manufactured religion that exist as a result of a combination of fakery and falsehood.

Similar to all the other Abrahamic religions, Islam was used as a secondary weapon behind the tip of a jihadist sword.

Was there anyone who wasn't an invader in the old days? Dan Fodio's family lived in Gobir for hundreds of years, how is he any less of a citizen of this place than the many songhai, kanuri, berbers, arabs etc who had become citizens of these states? And BTW, the people he overthrew were also invaders who created a hegemony. In fact, Gobir where the jihad started in their constant wars against the Berbers eventually lost their leaders and since the 15th century had been ruled by berbers/tuaregs and their descendants. Uthman Dan Fodios teacher and the man who first spoke out against the injustices and syncretisim of the "hausa" kings, El Hadj Shehu Jibril was a hausa man. Singling Dan Fodio out as an invader or a war monger in an era where war and migration was the norm is just ignorant.

Fodios biggest accomplishment was unifying hausaland and stopping the blood shed between them. For some reason, these hausa states held grudges against no one but themselves. Let me share with you an excerpt about the Alhaji Kabe(1743-1753), the "Hausa" King of Kano who fought a war against Gobir, a war that started in the reign of his father Kumbari Dan Sharefa (1731-1743).

"He was a Sarki of maniy wars and terrible. From the time he obtained the kingdom he did not remain five months in his house without going to war or sending out his Sarkis to fight. Sarkin Gobir sent to try and make peace with him but Kabe refused. He sent to Sarkin Gobir Barbari saying, " I have a cap to fit anyone's head. The next year Barbari came to Kano to war. A battle ensued between him and Kabe at Dami. The Kanawa ran away, because of the "magic " which Barbari possessed. The Gobirawa went on slaughtering the Kanawa, and the Kanawa slaughtered the Gobirawa in frequent wars until Kabe's death. No record can be kept of the fighting between them in Kabe's time or the number of wars in which Kabe engaged or which he ordered. There was no man of his age who was so ruthless in killing mien as Kabe. There was no peace in Kano, only trouble after trouble
what with the war with Gobir and other wars."

This was the state of Hausa land before Dan Fodio. These strifes in addition to the diminishing economic fortunes of the hausa states made them easy prey. It happened at the right time and for the right reasons. If you should be mad at anyone it should be the hausa kings and the successors of dan fodio who perverted his Jihad.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 7:43pm On May 07, 2020
Amujale:

The people of Sokoto predate the people of either Mecca or Medinna in years that would amount in their hundreds and thousands.

What does that tell us?

That ought to tell us that, the people of Arabia do not possess the qualifications, historical authority or the cultural right to be telling the people of Sokoto what is or what isnt.

In all reality, Nigerians possess the cultural right, historical autthority and the correct qualifications to be correcting the false narratives peddled by the Abrahamic religions.

Again, its important to note that when the people of Sokoto are existing in relative peace and harmony with their neighbours, Asia had yet to be discovered.

Furthermore, Aifricans are the first people to discover and populate Asia.


All human kind had their residence in the region of the world they now call Africa.

Sokoto/Gobir was not established until the middle ages by eastern and central african migrants. Stop with this pan Africanist rubbish you lot love to deceive yourself with.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Bbbwings: 8:10pm On May 07, 2020
Dupamecano:

Iran is one of the most liberal countries in the world. Since the schism that occurred after the death of the Prophet PBUH, the persians continued on the path of liberalism they were before the advent of Islam. Today they legitimize various things from tattoos to gender reassignment surgeries. A lot of europeans and people from different backgrounds thrive in Persia, don't buy into media propaganda.

As for Saudi, they feel its their responsibility to reject any outside influences as much as possible. I think they're moving away from that these days but you can't nitpick only places that suit your agenda. Point is instead of condemning a religion you should instead implore the minority to be more like the majority.
There is a lot to unpack here.
Really? Whatever happened to separation of religion and state.
The copts are Second class citizens in Egypt despite their huge numbers.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Bbbwings: 8:12pm On May 07, 2020
Dupamecano:


Sokoto/Gobir was not established until the middle ages by eastern and central african migrants. Stop with this pan Africanist rubbish you lot love to deceive yourself with.
They really did a number on you. The Arabs.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 8:15pm On May 07, 2020
Bbbwings:

There is a lot to unpack here.
Really? Whatever happened to separation of religion and state.
The copts are Second class citizens in Egypt despite their huge numbers.

Huge numbers? LMAO The copts make up just over 10% of Egypts population. Is there a single country in this world where such a small minority doesn't feel marginalized?
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 8:16pm On May 07, 2020
Bbbwings:

They really did a number on you. The Arabs.

The history of most hausa states is well documented. Nobody did a number on anybody. Humans as a race of course are extremely old, but the hausa/gobir/sokoto identity was established long after the arabian identity was.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by myobjective: 6:31pm On May 08, 2020
Dupamecano:


The history of most hausa states is well documented. Nobody did a number on anybody. Humans as a race of course are extremely old, but the hausa/gobir/sokoto identity was established long after the arabian identity was.

Sadly agree with you on this. The Afrocentric are as guilty as those eurocentric that uses pseudoscience to drive home their point.

The Arab identity as taken route before any Sahelian state we're birthed. The Sahel and the rest of black Africa have the misfortune of not being located along the route ancient trade.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 2:45pm On May 11, 2020
myobjective:
.....

Thats where your wrong, why wish misfortune on yourself.

Learn to talk and write well of Africa.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 3:41pm On May 11, 2020
Arabianism and Eurocentrism has no business being in Africa.

We must relegate these malicious extreemist ideologies such as Christianity and Islam into the aisles of fiction and concentrate our focus on reality, African history.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 3:56pm On May 11, 2020
Dupamecano:


Sokoto/Gobir was not established until the middle ages by eastern and central african migrants. Stop with this pan Africanist rubbish you lot love to deceive yourself with.

What you mean?

I dont see you disputing anything here.

Define pan Africanism?
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 12:13am On May 12, 2020
Amujale:


What you mean?

I dont see you disputing anything here.

Define pan Africanism?

You claimed hausas are an older people than arabs which is bollocks! The arabian identity has existed long before the hausa states were formed. I'm talking about all these revisionist stories you love telling as a way of resisting western influence. Truth is, Africa had no other choice and unless we start to take ourselves seriously we don't have any choice moving forward. For a variety of factors the continent was wildly underdeveloped so accepting these foreign principles were very helpful towards progressing the continent. Its not about arabianism or eurocentrism, its about taking aspects of their culture that helps to propel us as a people while retaining our identities. Otherwise, what legacy do we have of old that we can draw from and abandon these "foreign" principles? What have we done without these foreign influences? the sooner we start telling ourselves the truth the better. Skewing past histories to make yourself feel better won't solve anything.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 12:16am On May 12, 2020
myobjective:


Sadly agree with you on this. The Afrocentric are as guilty as those eurocentric that uses pseudoscience to drive home their point.

The Arab identity as taken route before any Sahelian state we're birthed. The Sahel and the rest of black Africa have the misfortune of not being located along the route ancient trade.

I think it is evident that the biggest blow to african development in the old days was the lack of transference of knowledge. Sahelian states like the Kanem Bornu, Hausa states and the songhai/mali, and even states south of the sahel like the yoruba, nupe, borgu etc who have had some access to trade and knowledge were proof that if the african states enjoyed the level of interaction the european states did they too would be juggernauts because the states i mentioned were ahead of their counterparts mostly due to their involvement in trade. But its not too late. We don't have any excuses now. Seems we're still yet to fully understand and adapt to various concepts of community.

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Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Nobody: 1:11am On May 12, 2020
I find it ironic that northers don’t champion education the way Dan Fodio did. Also seems like there is tolerance for looting and killing but zero tolerance for freedom of religion...weird!

I have a question, was Gen Sani Abacha a Muslim?
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by eagleu: 2:43am On May 12, 2020
KingJa:
I find it ironic that northers don’t champion education the way Dan Fodio did. Also seems like there is tolerance for looting and killing but zero tolerance for freedom of religion...weird!

I have a question, was Gen Sani Abacha a Muslim?

He was Jehovah's witness.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by myobjective: 3:29pm On May 12, 2020
Dupamecano:


I think it is evident that the biggest blow to african development in the old days was the lack of transference of knowledge. Sahelian states like the Kanem Bornu, Hausa states and the songhai/mali, and even states south of the sahel like the yoruba, nupe, borgu etc who have had some access to trade and knowledge were proof that if the african states enjoyed the level of interaction the european states did they too would be juggernauts because the states i mentioned were ahead of their counterparts mostly due to their involvement in trade. But its not too late. We don't have any excuses now. Seems we're still yet to fully understand and adapt to various concepts of community.

Communication either through rivers or ocean was also a factor. As can also be noted, knowledge is easily transferable between east to west and not necessarily South to North. Since movement eastwards will not lead to changes in weather and any idea in agriculture, animal husbandry can easily be implemented. But movement northward leads to changes in weather which greater affect agriculture, architecture, irrigation etc.
The bottom line is Africans have a misfortune of geography.

Modern Africa states starting with Nigeria can learn and improve on themselves since information is now readily available. I have lived in the north all my life and I know the potential the region has together with the south. We have the potential only if we all can learn how to live together in peace, tackle our most pressing issues in population control, tolerance and building strong institutions. We're better together in a restructured Nigeria where each region will be able to access its resources to solve peculiar problem.

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Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 9:45pm On May 12, 2020
Dupamecano:


You claimed hausas are an older people than arabs...

Thats not a claim that is a matter of fact.

These are the reasons we ought to reeducate ourselves on history.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 12:35am On May 13, 2020
Amujale:


Thats not a claim that is a matter of fact.

These are the reasons we ought to reeducate ourselves on history.

Lol, miss me with that bulljive. Go find some simpleton to play pseudo-intellectual with.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by orisa37: 12:07pm On May 13, 2020
SCRAP THAT.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 2:43pm On May 13, 2020
Dupamecano:


Lol, miss me with that bulljive. Go find some simpleton to play pseudo-intellectual with.

You are a liar and a faker

The only pseudo-intellectual here is you.

We deal with historical facts that are backed up with scholarship.

You can miss me with your pseudo-intellect and fakery.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 2:49pm On May 13, 2020
Dupamecano:


Lol, miss me with that bulljive. Go find some simpleton to play pseudo-intellectual with.

I aint no pesudo-intellectual, i deal with facts

I maintain the fact that the hausa people predate both Islam and Arabia.

Firstly, you cannot confuse the malicious ideology known as Islam with Arabia.

Secondly, does the Fulani and Hausa people predate Islam, yes or no?

Furthermore, my contribution wasnt even about Arabia per se eventhough my scholarship extends beyond those periods in history, i was mainly refereing to Arabian fundamentalists, such as those who introduced our continent to the malicious ideology known as Islam.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 3:00pm On May 13, 2020
Dupamecano:


the hausa kings ....

These are the legitimate rulers of their people.

You attempt to justify attrocities against humanity has failed.

Instead of celebrating Usman Dan Fodio, we ought to be celebrating the Hausa Kings.

That is real and proper history.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Dupamecano: 3:25pm On May 13, 2020
Amujale:


Thats not a claim that is a matter of fact.

These are the reasons we ought to reeducate ourselves on history.
LOL Why does this mad man keep quoting me? If you can find evidence of the existence of hausa people before the 7th century backed by any article by a peer reviewed journal then you're right, its a fact and i'm wrong.

Amujale:


These are the legitimate rulers of their people.

You attempt to justify attrocities against humanity has failed.

Instead of celebrating Usman Dan Fodio, we ought to be celebrating the Hausa Kings.

That is real and proper history.
Legitimate rulers of hausa people? LMAO You mean the same people who came and slaughtered the indigenous chiefs of the indigenous people in hausa states or the ones who deposed them later and took their title? The same "hausa" kings that were waging war on each other and killing each other? Which one of them are the true hausas if all the aristocracies in hausaland were "invaders". If you can find a pure descendant of barbushe then fine, we'll make him King. Hausa society is nothing like anything you lot have, you can't even begin to understand its construct.

Amujale:


I aint no pesudo-intellectual, i deal with facts

I maintain the fact that the hausa people predate both Islam and Arabia.

Firstly, you cannot confuse the malicious ideology known as Islam with Arabia.

Secondly, does the Fulani and Hausa people predate Islam, yes or no?

Furthermore, my contribution wasnt even about Arabia per se eventhough my scholarship extends beyond those periods in history, i was mainly refereing to Arabian fundamentalists, such as those who introduced our continent to the malicious ideology known as Islam.

Like I said, if you can find me evidence of the existence of hausa people before the 7th century backed by any peer reviewed journal then please, go ahead. If anything hausas and arabs being both afro asiatic speakers, the best you can find is the theory of the afro asiatic urheimat, which proposes that all afro asiatic speakers descended from the same people and civilization. So again, miss me with that bulljive charlatan.
Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by Amujale(m): 3:54pm On May 13, 2020
Dupamecano:

LOL Why does this mad man keep quoting me? If you can find evidence of the existence of hausa people before the 7th century backed by any article by a peer reviewed journal then you're right, its a fact and i'm wrong.


You are the one who's crazy you douchebag.

You are all over the place.

Dont worry i will pin you down.

You are wrong.


Hausa people predate both Islam and Arabia in years that amount in their hundreds of thousands.


Everything about the people of Nigeria predates Arabia.

The people predate Arabia.

The Language the people speak predates Arabic

The civilisations in West Africa predates Asia nevermind Arabia.

Its you that needs to go and reeducate yourself with regards to African history.

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