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| Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 7:35am On Mar 20, 2020 |
Many people or religion groups have agreed that the true God is one. The teaching about Trinity is no different. I have taken my time to know what it is all about, and the following are my findings 1) Mathematically 1×1×1=1(the Almighty One) i.e 1(one) increased by 1(one) and increased by another 1(one)=1(the Almighty One). Each one (1) in the example above shares the same thing (characteristics). In other words, God the Father increased(multiply) by God the son and multiply (increased) by God the Holy Spirit = THE ALMIGHTY GOD. The sign of addition (+) and the sign of multiplication (×) resemble themselves but they are different When × is viewed daigonally, someone may thinks it's +. That's why some take the Trinity as 1+1+1=3 gods x(wrong) Trinity is 1×1×1=1GOD (the Almighty)✓ Jesus loves you all. Amen! 2 Likes |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 3:16pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Instead of Addition you are multiplying, how does this make sense to you? An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him(Jesus). Luke 22:43 As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!” Mat 3:16-17 In Mark 13:32, Jesus said "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. How can you now claim all of this characters are 1X1X1=1? It's more like having one candy, one sisi pelebe and one baba dudu. Altogether all this is still one! 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 11:19pm On Mar 21, 2020 |
The Christians God is 3 Personalities in one God. *These 3 Personalities have characteristics that differentiate them. And They have characteristics that unite Them. That is to say that They are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT and at the same time They are UNIQUELY THE SAME. The difficulties the majority are having is in this "They are the same as well as are different" *Many people have given the examples from the Bible that show They are different, especially between Jesus and God the Father. 3 Likes |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 12:39am On Mar 22, 2020 |
THEY ARE DIFFERENT; Examples: 1. Matthew 3:16-17 "...lo, the heavens were opened unto him (Jesus), and he saw the Spirit of God descending... And a voice from heaven, saying, this is my beloved son..." NOTE: this is were 3 of Them take action at the same time/moment. 2. John 17:1"... Father, the hour is come; glorify thy son,..." NOTE: God the Son is talking to God the Father. 3. Matthew 28:19 "... baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" NOTE: the 3 of Them are involved in our redemption/salvation. 4. Genesis 1:26 "And God said let US make man in our image, after our likeness,..." NOTE: the use of US here means it's more than one Personality. And many other places that you can see the differences. 5. Concerning the Holy Spirit, this is what the Bible says; 2corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit..." |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 1:51am On Mar 22, 2020 |
How can you now claim all of this characters are 1X1X1=1? One of the laws in mathematics says 1(one)× itself it remains the same. John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..." In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased from the Father" The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same whatever description you give to any of them the same is true for the rest. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Nobody: 4:26am On Mar 22, 2020 |
AntiChristian:I understand your plight, it is like covering a newborn baby's eyes, legs and hands, therefore his sight are confided, his brain are restricted and beclouded, he eat whatever is presented to him, he can't see beyond the covering, he has been handicapped and rendered ineptitude. Quite horrible and unfortunate. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Nobody: 4:32am On Mar 22, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:Take a chill pill, there is nothing to argue about here. Jesus Christ is the Word of and Holy spirit is the Spirit OF GOD, it like One person operating in distinct three capacities. 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 9:07am On Mar 22, 2020 |
profolaolu: More like your brain has been shut down! Keep fooling yourself! No sane mathematics can be used to explain your Trinity. Just shut down your brain and believe it. If Jesus is the word of God, shouldn't all words spoken by God be another Jesus? 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by TruthHurts100: 9:08am On Mar 22, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: And this thing make sense to you abi? Sorry ooo 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by TruthHurts100: 9:10am On Mar 22, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Sir, Jesus being the Word of God means he's God's mouthpiece. God speaks through him. That is why he said, nothing he says is of his own originality but his father's. 1 Like |
| Re: Trinity Explained by TruthHurts100: 9:14am On Mar 22, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: There's nothing like "the holy spirit" what we have in the manuscript is "Holy Spirit" it has no definite identity as God and Jesus. God and Jesus and even us human possess holy spirit. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 9:18am On Mar 22, 2020 |
TruthHurts100: Same Jesus whom you claim was the mouth piece of God said in Mark 13:32 and elsewhere in Matthew 24: 36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mouth piece ko Ear piece ni! 3 Likes |
| Re: Trinity Explained by TruthHurts100: 1:10pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Sir, you can still understand if you want to. Jesus only says what God asks him to say. If you represent your father in a meeting, you can only say what he has told you. If God has not revealed the day or time of the end to Jesus, how will he know? This is another point to prove that God is the Almighty. 2 Likes |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 3:14pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
TruthHurts100: In my Bible He has definite identity: Luke 11:13 "... how much more shall my heavenly Father give THE HOLY SPIRIT to them that ask him" John 1:33 "... upon whom thou shalt see THE SPIRIT descending... the same is he which baptizeth with THE HOLY GHOST." Other places: John 7:39; Acts 2:4 |
| Re: Trinity Explained by TruthHurts100: 3:21pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: Yes sir, it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something that is not actually a person to be personalized or personified. Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs (1:20-33; 8:1-36); and feminine pronominal forms are used of it in the original Hebrew, as also in many English translations. (KJ, RS, JP, AT) Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both “works” and “children.” The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 4:00pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
Only by faith we get this Revelations delivered to us. This Revelations is for those who are growing/have grown in the faith. As for the unbelievers in Christ Jesus, the 1st thing to do is to believe and accept the Lord Jesus as your Saviour: *. John 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" *. Acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD." |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 4:31pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
The Muslim people still have difficulties in accepting Jesus as the Son of God. To them God has no wife and so on. THE FORMULA given to us by God to unravel this mystery is called FAITH. In mathematics, different formulas are given to solve different problems/equations. I have not heard that students rejected/argued any of those formulas, rather, they apply it and have the answers. FAITH IS THE FORMULA we use to know God and His many mysteries: *. Hebrews 11:6 " BUT WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE HIM(God)..." So, as many that want to use science, logic or whatever to know these things, they will fail! |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 4:58pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
TruthHurts100:. Concerning the Holy Spirit, this is what the Bible says; 2corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 6:29pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
TruthHurts100: Once again Jesus is not one with God. God is omniscient. Jesus as I said before is not omniscient. God knows everything but not Jesus and the Holy spirit. The Bible as it is preached today says Jesus is God. But from time immemorial we belief God is omniscient i.e. He knows everything. The Bible testifies to this: Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding is infinite. (Psalm 147:5) For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.(1 John 3:20) Known to God from eternity are all his works. (Acts 15:18) In reality, Moses, Noah and many others were mouth pieces of God to men! |
| Re: Trinity Explained by TruthHurts100: 7:49pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
AntiChristian: And if you had take time to read my comments you will know I'm not one of the people who say Jesus is God. Jesus is not God. He was created by God. He has a beginning. Col 1:15 |
| Re: Trinity Explained by Nobody: 8:15pm On Mar 22, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:No, God the father does not increase the Son or the Holy Spirit and vice versa. You are right that that the trinity has to do with the different personalities of the God head. The trinity is about the existence of God in multiple of personalities. Each persons are distinct in fuction and relationship with each other. The father is Almighty God but Almighty God as a different person, The Almighty God exist as another peron the Word his relation with the first person is as a begotten Son to The Father, the same Almighty God exist as another person who is called the Holy Spirit whose relation to the Father is as The Spirit of the Father and Spirit of the Son. It is not that God manifest as the Father and later as the Son and as the holy Spirit no but that All three persons coexist together from eternity and relate with each other as separate persons but in essence are one God. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 1:45am On Mar 23, 2020 |
So far in my findings, I have not seen/gotten any characteristics found in the Father that is not in the Son. This will lead us to the B part (THEY ARE THE SAME) of the discussion. A-part (THEY ARE DIFFERENT), which we had thrown some light already. We are going to discuss the B part intensively: B. THEY ARE UNIQUELY THE SAME; Examples: Bellow are some of the characteristics of the Holy and True God: 1. SAVIOUR : Titus 2:10; 1Timothy 2:3 *. Titus 3:4 "But after that the... love of God OUR SAVIOUR toward man appeared," (i.e the Father) *. Titus 3:6 "Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ OUR SAVIOUR" ( i.e the Son) NOTE: in the same chapter, by the same writer, the Father and the Son are been referred to as OUR SAVIOUR, think about it! Other places: 2Peter 3:18; 1:11; 2:20; 2Tim 1:10; etc |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 2:05am On Mar 23, 2020 |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=87672932] Once again Jesus is not one with God. God is omniscient. Jesus as I said before is not omniscient. God knows everything but not Jesus and the Holy spirit. The Bible as it is preached today says Jesus is God. But from time immemorial we belief God is omniscient i.e. He knows everything. The Bible testifies to this: Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding is infinite. (Psalm 147:5) For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.(1 John 3:20) Known to God from eternity are all his works. (Acts 15:18) In reality, Moses, Noah and many others were mouth pieces of God to men![/quote ] Jesus Christ knows everything as well, examples John 2:24 "But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because HE KNEW ALL men" John 21:17 "... Lord, thou KNOWEST ALL THINGS;..." |
| Re: Trinity Explained by AntiChristian: 5:55am On Mar 23, 2020 |
[quote author=KNOWMORE56 post=87681568][/quote] Where is the verse that Jesus knew all things? I have quoted this verse before up there! "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 6:37am On Mar 25, 2020 |
AntiChristian: https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?topic=5745609&post=87681568 |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 5:31am On Mar 26, 2020 |
THE FATHER KNOWS ALL THINGS: *. 1John 3:20 "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and KNOWEST ALL THINGS."; THE SON KNOWS ALL THINGS: *. John 21:17 "... Lord,Thou KNOWETH ALL THINGS,..." |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 6:03am On Mar 26, 2020 |
*. Mark 13:32 "but of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." *. Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.'(KJV) "The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled."(NIV) Note: in my understanding, the Lord said " if to say I know I for no create human beings on the earth" "HAD I KNOWN I would not have created human beings on the earth" Is God omniscient (the Son and the Father)? Answer: YES/NO 1). YES: The Father knows all things, 1John 3:20 "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and KNOWEST ALL THINGS." |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 6:28am On Mar 26, 2020 |
*. Isaiah 46:9-10 "for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, DECLARING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, and FROM ANCIENT TIMES THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT YET DONE,..." *. John 2:24 "But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because HE KNEW ALL MEN." *. John 21:17 "... Lord,Thou KNOWETH ALL THINGS,..." 2). NO: *. Mark 13:32 "but of that day and that hour KNOWETH NO MAN, no, not the angels which are in heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the Father." *. Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.'(KJV) "The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled."(NIV) In my understanding, the Lord said " if to say I know I for no create human beings on the earth" "Had I known I would not have created human beings on the earth" |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 7:25am On Mar 26, 2020 |
The answers to most of the questions asked about God and His ways are both yes and no, depending on the area you are looking at it. Examples: 1 IS GOD OMNISCIENT?>YES/NO Isaiah 46:9-10 "for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done,..." Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.' (KJV) "The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled." (NIV) In my understanding, the Lord said " if to say I know I for no create human beings on the earth" "Had I known I would not have created human beings on the earth" 2. IS THERE ANY ONE THAT IS RIGHTEOUS>YES/NO *. Ezekiel 14:14 " though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS, saith the LORD." *. Genesis 7:1 "And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen RIGHTEOUS before me in this generation." *. Job 1:8 "...Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man,..." NO: none is RIGHTEOUS *. Romans 3:10 "As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, no, not one." 3. SHOULD I ANSWER A FOOL?>YES/NO Proverbs 26:5 " |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 7:39am On Mar 26, 2020 |
*. Proverbs 26:5 "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." NO: *. Proverbs 26:4 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." Note that there are so many other examples of yes/no depending on how you look at it. The understanding of the heaven bound individuals, assisted by the Holy Spirit, is completely different from the rest of humanity. Therefore, what each group read from the Bible have different meanings to them. |
| Re: Trinity Explained by shadeyinka(m): 7:59am On Mar 26, 2020 |
The argument of 1x1x1=1 is weak, for it could as well be 1x1x1x1x1x1 and it will still be equal to 1. The argument of the sun as heat, light and matter is weak for they are three different things. KNOWMORE56:The closest illustration of Trinity of God is the Trinity of Man. MAN is: A Body: Which gives MAN his physical Identity in the physical world. With his body, he also interacts with the physical world. This body is what everyone know as YOU and it's correct. A Soul: Which gives MAN his Personal Identity within himself. With his Soul, he also interacts with the intellectual, emotional and and volition(will) realm. This Soul is what a Man knows as Me, Myself, I and this is also correct. A Spirit: Which gives MAN his Spiritual Identity in the Spirit world. With his Spirit, he also interacts with the spirit world. This Spirit is what God, Angels, Demons etc know as YOU and this is also correct. Death: is just a disconnection or separation which occurs between the trinity of man Physical Death: Disconnection of the body from the Trinity of Man Spiritual Death: Disconnection of a man's spirit from God's Holy Spirit Second Death: Disconnection of man (body, soul and spirit) eternally from God Please if you have any questions, please feel free! |
| Re: Trinity Explained by KNOWMORE56: 8:03am On Mar 26, 2020 |
1. FATHER/SON IS SAVIOUR(already submitted) 2. FATHER/SON IS GOD: *. Isaiah 46:9-10 "for I AM GOD, and there is none else; I AM GOD, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning,..."( i.e the Father) *. Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of THE GREAT GOD and Saviour Jesus Christ;"(i.e the Son) *. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:... and his name shall be called the MIGHTY GOD..."(i.e the Son) 1 Like |
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