GRIMMJOE:
See, believe what you want to believe, if want to believe a God created Light before the sun believe.

But one thing is true, this God knows nothing science, nothing about logic, and lacks common sense.

liked I've always said if this God want us to take him serious he should come and die on the cross himself.

What is science?


Define science?

Is science human being?

elated177:



It was a slip of the pen...lol.


Are you going to answer the question?

I have given as much as I am willing for now, work with it.

LordReed:


I have given as much as I am willing for now, work with it.

Work what out?

elated177:



Work what out?

With the answer I gave.

LordReed:


With the answer I gave.

Hilarious!



I guess you are not interested in getting the reply to your question, then.

elated177:


What is science?
Define science?
Is science human being?

Science isn't human being, what is your point.

LordReed:


I have given as much as I am willing for now, work with it.

That guy loves going in circles

GRIMMJOE:
That guy loves going in circles

I tire.

elated177:


Hilarious!



I guess you are not interested in getting the reply to your question, then.

That's your problem.

GRIMMJOE:


(1)This God knows nothing SCIENCE!

(2)Nothing about LOGICS!

(3)And lacks COMMON SENSE!

SCIENCE!

Well JEHOVAH never intended to make a science textbook but in his book it was WRITTEN that man and all other creatures came from dust, and after all human researches (science) all the elements that is found in man's body could be found in the DUST! Genesis 2:7

The earth is spherical (round)! Isaiah 40:22

The earth hangs upon nothing! Job 26:7

LOGICS!

Humans keep deceiving themselves about seeing God face to face, but going by their own LOGICS, 99.9% of them can never see their human rulers face to face throughout their lifetime {Esther 4:11} yet they're agitating about seeing God (the ruler of the universe)

Even to see our rulers today, one must follow due protocols and that doesn't guarantee that he/she will eventually see your ruler!

COMMON SENSE!

The one who created all things gave man the instinct to think and choose between right and wrong (common sense), but as the grand Creator should we be expecting him to possess the same level of intellect with his creatures?

Certainly not!

For humans to realize his mightiness he exhibits the "UNCOMMON SENCE", even within humans we will never choose someone as our ruler if all that he could exhibit is the common sense that all of us possesses.

Rather people will vote unanimously NOT for their fellowman man having common sense but for a person having the UNCOMMON SENCE!

No wonder God himself told us not to compare our thoughts to his thoughts, adding "as the heavens is higher than the ground, so is my intellect higher than yours"! Isaiah 55:8-9

Maximus69:


SCIENCE!

Well JEHOVAH never intended to make a science textbook but in his book it was WRITTEN that man and all other creatures came from dust, and after all human researches (science) all the elements that is found in man's body could be found in the DUST! Genesis 2:7

The earth is spherical (round)! Isaiah 40:22

The earth hangs upon nothing! Job 26:7

LOGICS!

Humans keep deceiving themselves about seeing God face to face, but going by their own LOGICS, 99.9% of them can never see their human rulers face to face throughout their lifetime {Esther 4:11} yet they're agitating about seeing God (the ruler of the universe)

Even to see our rulers today, one must follow due protocols and that doesn't guarantee that he/she will eventually see your ruler!

COMMON SENSE!

The one who created all things gave man the instinct to think and choose between right and wrong (common sense), but as the grand Creator should we be expecting him to possess the same level of intellect with his creatures?

Certainly not!

For humans to realize his mightiness he exhibits the "UNCOMMON SENCE", even within humans we will never choose someone as our ruler if all that he could exhibit is the common sense that all of us possesses.

Rather people will vote unanimously NOT for their fellowman man having common sense but for a person having the UNCOMMON SENCE!

No wonder God himself told us not to compare our thoughts to his thoughts, adding "as the heavens is higher than the ground, so is my intellect higher than yours"! Isaiah 55:8-9

It's best you go back slamming you head on a pavement.

Or become an Atheist, you've taken the hardest step converting from Islam to Christianity, one more step and you're free.

LordReed:


This is basically defining something into existence. How can you possibly know something is uncaused?

Anything exhibits certain characteristics by chance.
Anything could be "Everything" you have ever identified or/and "Everything" you will ever identify.
But that's actually something.
Anything could also be something else.

reigncalif1:
THE SAME THING WITH SCIENCE I THINK. BUT RELIGIOUS SEEMS TO EMBRACE MORE OF SPIRITUALITY (SOMETHING CAN ACTUALLY COME OUT FROM NOWHERE) INSTEAD IF PHYSICALITY OF SCIENCE WHICH RELIES MORE ON LOGICAL FACTS PROVING BY EXPERIMENT .
MY CONFUSION . IF EVERYTHING WAS CREATED ITS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A CREATOR (SPIRITUALLY MIGHT BE SELF EXISTING)
..2 IF MATER AND ENERGY ARE SOMETHING WHICH ACTUALLY MUST NEVET COME OUT FROM NO WHERE OR IMPOSSIBLE OF SELF EXISTING WHICH STILL END UP DISPUTING THE FACT OF NOWHERE THINGS

WHAT IS THE UNCONSCIOUS CAUSE ( THAT HAD BEEN MY QUEST OF KNOWLEDGE, ITS THE ONLY THING GLOOMING ME TO GOD ,SEEMS MAN CAN NRVER FIND THE UNCAUSED CAUSE.... I WILL BE AN ATHEIST OR DEIST IF POSSIBLE .

Anything could be ALL you have ever identified or/and ALL you will ever identify.
But that's actually something.
Anything could be something else.
It's a probability.
Chance causes Anything to be identified through you.
In your absence, Anything remains yet-to-be identified.

GRIMMJOE:
Atheist can easily prove there's no God.

Climb on top of a building jump from it, you will die an untimely death, as all the other Christians that screams Jesus before a fatal motor accident.

You don't have to prove there is no God.
You only have to say that the people that believe or claim to know there is God don't make any sense when they mention God.
Perhaps,these people should prove that spider man does not exist.

arazanbal:



i wanna ask bro how did humans came into existence

They just appeared or formed after several elements combined in whatever drama across a quite different Earth.

Maximus69:


SCIENCE!

Well JEHOVAH never intended to make a science textbook but in his book it was WRITTEN that man and all other creatures came from dust, and after all human researches (science) all the elements that is found in man's body could be found in the DUST! Genesis 2:7

The earth is spherical (round)! Isaiah 40:22

The earth hangs upon nothing! Job 26:7

LOGICS!

Humans keep deceiving themselves about seeing God face to face, but going by their own LOGICS, 99.9% of them can never see their human rulers face to face throughout their lifetime {Esther 4:11} yet they're agitating about seeing God (the ruler of the universe)

Even to see our rulers today, one must follow due protocols and that doesn't guarantee that he/she will eventually see your ruler!

COMMON SENSE!

The one who created all things gave man the instinct to think and choose between right and wrong (common sense), but as the grand Creator should we be expecting him to possess the same level of intellect with his creatures?

Certainly not!

For humans to realize his mightiness he exhibits the "UNCOMMON SENCE", even within humans we will never choose someone as our ruler if all that he could exhibit is the common sense that all of us possesses.

Rather people will vote unanimously NOT for their fellowman man having common sense but for a person having the UNCOMMON SENCE!

No wonder God himself told us not to compare our thoughts to his thoughts, adding "as the heavens is higher than the ground, so is my intellect higher than yours"! Isaiah 55:8-9

You keep quoting Bibles.
Wetin remain?

GRIMMJOE:
It's best you go back slamming you head on a pavement.

Or become an Atheist, you've taken the hardest step converting from Islam to Christianity, one more step and you're free.

Are you now running away from your usual challenge?

Insult can't save your face now Sir, just try and PROVE ME WRONG!

HellVictorinho:

You keep quoting Bibles.
Wetin remain?

Leave the Bible out of my write-up, go ahead with whatever argument using any book of your choice. Just prove what i said wrong!

LordReed:


This is basically defining something into existence. How can you possibly know something is uncaused?

PHYSICALITY OF SCIENCE SIMPLY MEANS THAT ANYTHING EXISTED MUST BE CAUSE ,ITS SIMPLE LOGIC EITHER CAUSE OR UNCAUSED
THE PROBLEM NOW IS WHATEVER causes THE FIRST THING EXISTED MUST BE EITHER UNCAF OR SELF EXISTED ,THEISTS CALLED IT GOD WHY ATHEIST CALLED IT NO IDEA.
IN A LOGICAL STATE ITS SEEMS BOTH THEIST AND ATHEIST ARE ALMOST ON THE SAME FAITH MISSION

THEIST : WHATEVER CAUSES THE FIRST CAUSE MUST BE GOD ( NO PHYSICAL PROOF AND ITS CALLED FAITH)

ATHEIST: WHAT EVER CAUSE THE FIRST CAUSE CAN NOT BE ASCERTAIN ,BEING ANYTHING PROBABLY MIGHT BE SELF EXISTING (NO PROOF AND ITS CALLED FAITH

THEIST AND ATHEIST ARE SWIMMING ON THE SAME FAITH

reigncalif1:

PHYSICALITY OF SCIENCE SIMPLY MEANS THAT ANYTHING EXISTED MUST BE CAUSE ,ITS SIMPLE LOGIC EITHER CAUSE OR UNCAUSED
THE PROBLEM NOW IS WHATEVER causes THE FIRST THING EXISTED MUST BE EITHER UNCAF OR SELF EXISTED ,THEISTS CALLED IT GOD WHY ATHEIST CALLED IT NO IDEA.
IN A LOGICAL STATE ITS SEEMS BOTH THEIST AND ATHEIST ARE ALMOST ON THE SAME FAITH MISSION

THEIST : WHATEVER CAUSES THE FIRST CAUSE MUST BE GOD ( NO PHYSICAL PROOF AND ITS CALLED FAITH)

ATHEIST: WHAT EVER CAUSE THE FIRST CAUSE CAN NOT BE ASCERTAIN ,BEING ANYTHING PROBABLY MIGHT BE SELF EXISTING (NO PROOF AND ITS CALLED FAITH

THEIST AND ATHEIST ARE SWIMMING ON THE SAME FAITH

Wrong. Any atheist is not expressing faith nor does an atheist say there must be a first cause or that it is self existing. In fact, the atheist is not even required to have a position on the origin of the universe because the only question an atheist asks is on what basis does one have belief in a god? There is nothing about how the universe came about in atheism.

Meanwhile, you didn't answer my question, which is how do you know something is uncaused?

How we see life is always based on our data feed

Who told u there is God - old guys
Who told u there is no God - modern guys

Take in unbaised data then decide what is most suitable for ur personality, what u love, what makes sense to u

But as for me, I have done that and I chose to keep my money, my energy, my time etc and redirect it to something productive.


It does not matter which u choose as long as it doesn't harm others in any way.

It is funny to see people form new org,
U don't believe good, move on
I learned this when trying convince people, nobody will agree until their POV has been changed, moreover having more followers help to keep order than having more leaders

To me what riddles me is not how we got here but the empty space (dark energy which is unknown), what it is, the big bang is easy to understand, I can say most things works by chance, for some people that says that the chance for the big bang to occur is n to power n, guess what we know how old the materials in the universe is but we know less about the background itself how did the background happens, I think there is enough time for things to permutate and work, as far as we know it earth is the only place that inhabit life, and earth itself had a lot of time to get here from colloidal particles to prokaryotes to eukaryotes to ......

Yes, there is a possibility of intelligent designer but to think of it a truely intelligent designer would not need to permutate or chances to get things right

Some people argue that genome is a proof
for supreme intelligence if that is the case why are there mutation, protein failures e.t.c

Random events are unpredictable anything can happen

I hate to subscribe to atheism or religion, I subscribe anything that benefits me and my loved ones,

I see a lot of proves why there is 90% chances that God doesn't exist both from pseudoscience, science, history and thinking

But in this case nothing is factual
There no entire prove that an intelligent being (simulator or a catalyst not Gods) does not exist but there are prove there are proves that religion are man made, they are closely related to the culture and norms and thinking style of the worshipper. it requires u to do the opposite of what others do, think out of the box, to be inquisitive, and be able to live life without been told what to do to be religion free

I prefer to be religion than to be an atheist cause it offer flexibility.

I think the people that believe in religion are ignorant or being programmed to do so as a child and they would believe other things in the same context like dreams, other dimensions eg 4d, pure evil since the pure good and most powerful is not good and powerful enough, and anything that support their existing notion

I don't care what u do, check darkmatter on youtube

arazanbal:



i wanna ask bro how did humans came into existence

Let's see:
Hypothesis 1: We fell from the sky
Hypothesis 2: We were created by a god
Hypothesis 3: We evolved from pre-existing life forms.

Guess which one has most supporting evidence

reigncalif1:

PHYSICALITY OF SCIENCE SIMPLY MEANS THAT ANYTHING EXISTED MUST BE CAUSE ,ITS SIMPLE LOGIC EITHER CAUSE OR UNCAUSED
THE PROBLEM NOW IS WHATEVER causes THE FIRST THING EXISTED MUST BE EITHER UNCAF OR SELF EXISTED ,THEISTS CALLED IT GOD WHY ATHEIST CALLED IT NO IDEA.
IN A LOGICAL STATE ITS SEEMS BOTH THEIST AND ATHEIST ARE ALMOST ON THE SAME FAITH MISSION

THEIST : WHATEVER CAUSES THE FIRST CAUSE MUST BE GOD ( NO PHYSICAL PROOF AND ITS CALLED FAITH)

ATHEIST: WHAT EVER CAUSE THE FIRST CAUSE CAN NOT BE ASCERTAIN ,BEING ANYTHING PROBABLY MIGHT BE SELF EXISTING (NO PROOF AND ITS CALLED FAITH

THEIST AND ATHEIST ARE SWIMMING ON THE SAME FAITH

Their problem is rebelliousness!

They don't want to be controlled but they want to teach others how to think.

They're saying there is no God yet they will not rest when their fellowman makes a choice that totally differs from theirs!

Excellent post my man.

I've told them times without number that FAITH is the one and only reason to believe (trust) in the theory of evolution or the big bang that nobody witnessed just as religionists also believe (trust) in God they've never seen!

Either way both still boils down to FAITH, what we believed (trusted) without visible proof!

LordReed:


Wrong. Any atheist is not expressing faith nor does an atheist say there must be a first cause or that it is self existing. In fact, the atheist is not even required to have a position on the origin of the universe because the only question an atheist asks is on what basis does one have belief in a god? There is nothing about how the universe came about in atheism.

Meanwhile, you didn't answer my question, which is how do you know something is uncaused?

IM NOT IN A STATE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION
ALL AM SAYING IS THAT THE FIRST CAUSE MUST HAVE A CAUSE , AND THAT FIRST CAUSE PROBABLY MIGHT BE CAUSED OR SELF EXISTING BUT FOR ME I NEITHER KNOW THE FIRST CAUSE OR WHETHER IT CAUSE OR UNCAUSED THAT IS WHY I CALLED IT FAITH IT CANT BE PROVEN


SO WHAT DOES ATHEIST BELIEVE IN ,HOW CAN THEY AT LEAST THINK ABOUT HOW THEY COME TO EXISTENCE MAYBE AS A HUMAN BEING

reigncalif1:



IM NOT IN A STATE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION
ALL AM SAYING IS THAT THE FIRST CAUSE MUST HAVE A CAUSE , AND THAT FIRST CAUSE PROBABLY MIGHT BE CAUSED OR SELF EXISTING BUT FOR ME I NEITHER KNOW THE FIRST CAUSE OR WHETHER IT CAUSE OR UNCAUSED THAT IS WHY I CALLED IT FAITH IT CANT BE PROVEN


SO WHAT DOES ATHEIST BELIEVE IN ,HOW CAN THEY AT LEAST THINK ABOUT HOW THEY COME TO EXISTENCE MAYBE AS A HUMAN BEING

Never mind!

They will start to question you aggressively like a criminal now as if you're indebted to them!

Whatever makes you think like a normal person enflames them!

Yet they're trying to convince themselves that they're free from the virus affecting the brains of Boko Haram!

If that's true, why must someone who believe in the existence of God change his mind?

They say they're advocates of freethinking, but on the contrary they're frustrated and intolerant dictators!

Maximus69:


Never mind!

They will start to question you aggressively like a criminal now as if you're indebted to them!

Whatever makes you think like a normal person enflames them!

LOL U GOT ME LAUGHING ,I MADE IT CLEARER IT ALL ABOUT FAITH , THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW THE QUESTION TO EXPLAIN HOW I KNOW IT UNCAUSED .
ANYWAY IN MY LITTLE UNDERSTANDING
WHATEVER CAUSES THE FIRST CAUSE IN LOGICAL MANNER NEEDED OR MUST BE UNCAUSED TO STAY PUT OR MAYBE SELF EXISTING .
IS LIKE IF THE OUTCOME OF 1 + 1 IS 2 THEN THE OUTCOME OF 1 SHOULD BE 0 OF REGRESSION TO FORM 0 + 1 ,IN THIS content 0 SEEMS SELF EXISTING .

BUT IN REALITY U HAVE TO STILL BELIEVE THAT 0 HERE IS SELF EXISTING

reigncalif1:



IM NOT IN A STATE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION
ALL AM SAYING IS THAT THE FIRST CAUSE MUST HAVE A CAUSE , AND THAT FIRST CAUSE PROBABLY MIGHT BE CAUSED OR SELF EXISTING BUT FOR ME I NEITHER KNOW THE FIRST CAUSE OR WHETHER IT CAUSE OR UNCAUSED THAT IS WHY I CALLED IT FAITH IT CANT BE PROVEN


SO WHAT DOES ATHEIST BELIEVE IN ,HOW CAN THEY AT LEAST THINK ABOUT HOW THEY COME TO EXISTENCE MAYBE AS A HUMAN BEING

You asserted that "man can never find the uncaused cause" and I said you basically just defined something into existence. If you don't know what an uncaused thing is how could you ever find it? So what it means is you defined a mystery and said nobody can solve my mystery but when I ask you to define it you tell you don't know. How are we supposed to find what you don't know?

What an atheist thinks about the origin of the universe has nothing to do with atheism so some atheists will tell you they don't know, some will say an intelligent being that is not a god created it. You will have to ask an individual atheist what their position is on that subject. I personally accept the findings of science as the best explanation for the origins of the universe and of life on our planet because it is consistent with the data and evidence we have available.

LordReed:


You asserted that "man can never find the uncaused cause" and I said you basically just defined something into existence. If you don't know what an uncaused thing is how could you ever find it? So what it means is you defined a mystery and said nobody can solve my mystery but when I ask you to define it you tell you don't know. How are we supposed to find what you don't know?

What an atheist thinks about the origin of the universe has nothing to do with atheism so some atheists will tell you they don't know, some will say an intelligent being that is not a god created it. You will have to ask an individual atheist what their position is on that subject. I personally accept the findings of science as the best explanation for the origins of the universe and of life on our planet because it is consistent with the data and evidence we have available.

THEN IF U ASK ME SIMPLE LOGIC WILL PROVE THAT AN UNCAUSED CAUSE MUST BE EXISTING TO CAUSE THE POSSIBLE CAUSE OR ELSE IT STILL REQUIRED ANOTHER UNCAUSED CAUSE THAT WILL STILL COME ABOUT ,AT END SOMETHING MUST HAVE EXIST TO SPARK ANY REACTIONS OR CREATE ENY POSSIBLE LAW THAT MIGHT PROBABLY CAUSE THE FIST CAUSE
SIMPLE MATHEMATICAL EXPIRATION IF THE PROPERTIES OF 2 WILL PROVE 1+1 ,THEN SOMETHING NEEDED TO PROVE IS 1+1 IS THE REGRESSION OF 0 + 1 AND 0 HERE IS THE SELF EXISTING PROBABLY THE FIRST CAUSE
ALL THIS BASE ON MY UNDERSTAND ON HOW LOGIC WORKS
OR ARE U SAYING THAT THAT SEEMS WE DON'T KNOW THE UNCAUSED CAUSE THEN THERE IS NO UNCAUSED CAUSE
AND ALSO WHAT DO U FIND INTERESTING ABOUT THE FINDING OF SCIENCE SEEMS MOST OF THEM DEFILE SOME LOGICAL FACTS

reigncalif1:


THEN IF U ASK ME SIMPLE LOGIC WILL PROVE THAT AN UNCAUSED CAUSE MUST BE EXISTING TO CAUSE THE POSSIBLE CAUSE OR ELSE IT STILL REQUIRED ANOTHER UNCAUSED CAUSE THAT WILL STILL COME ABOUT ,AT END SOMETHING MUST HAVE EXIST TO SPARK ANY REACTIONS OR CREATE ENY POSSIBLE LAW THAT MIGHT PROBABLY CAUSE THE FIST CAUSE
SIMPLE MATHEMATICAL EXPIRATION IF THE PROPERTIES OF 2 WILL PROVE 1+1 ,THEN SOMETHING NEEDED TO PROVE IS 1+1 IS THE REGRESSION OF 0 + 1 AND 0 HERE IS THE SELF EXISTING PROBABLY THE FIRST CAUSE
ALL THIS BASE ON MY UNDERSTAND ON HOW LOGIC WORKS
OR ARE U SAYING THAT THAT SEEMS WE DON'T KNOW THE UNCAUSED CAUSE THEN THERE IS NO UNCAUSED CAUSE
AND ALSO WHAT DO U FIND INTERESTING ABOUT THE FINDING OF SCIENCE SEEMS MOST OF THEM DEFILE SOME LOGICAL FACTS

I didn't make any statement on what is or isn't, I asked you how do you know what an uncaused cause is. So far all you have is speculation about a chain of causes, you have not shown how to identify what an uncaused cause is.

I don't know what you mean by defile some logical facts, can you explain?

[quote author=LordReed post=88173762]

I didn't make any statement on what is or isn't, I asked you how do you know what an uncaused cause is. So far all you have is speculation about a chain of causes, you have not shown how to identify what an uncaused cause is.

I don't know what you mean by defile some logical facts, can you explain?[/quote

ARE U NOT GETTING ME OR WHAT ,I AV STATED THAT NO BODY CAN ASCERTAINED THE UNCAUSED CAUSE U JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE ITS SOMETHING U BELIEVED IT IS THAT IS Y I CALLED IT FAITH

WHAT AM TRYING TO PROVE THERE IS THAT THERE MUST BE UNCAUSED CAUSE PROBABLY SELF EXISTING WHICH CAN NOT BE ASCERTAINED IT LET TO BELIEVE .

YES I BELIEVE EVOLUTION DEFILE SIMPLE LOGICAL EXPLANATION
ANSA MY QUESTION NOW WHAT ARE SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS U BELIEVED IN

reigncalif1:

ARE U NOT GETTING ME OR WHAT ,I AV STATED THAT NO BODY CAN ASCERTAINED THE UNCAUSED CAUSE U JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE ITS SOMETHING U BELIEVED IT IS THAT IS Y I CALLED IT FAITH

WHAT AM TRYING TO PROVE THERE IS THAT THERE MUST BE UNCAUSED CAUSE PROBABLY SELF EXISTING WHICH CAN NOT BE ASCERTAINED IT LET TO BELIEVE .

YES I BELIEVE EVOLUTION DEFILE SIMPLE LOGICAL EXPLANATION
ANSA MY QUESTION NOW WHAT ARE SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS U BELIEVED IN

How can you prove what you cannot define? My question remains unanswered, how do you know what an uncaused cause is?

How does evolution DEFY (i assume you mean defy cos defile means something else entirely) simple logical explanation?

I don't believe in scientific findings, I either accept them or don't accept them. They do not require belief. I accept the big bang theory. I accept evolution. I accept general relativity and special relativity. I accept quantum mechanics. And many more the list won't be exhaustive enough if I tried to list them.

[quote author=reigncalif1 post=88175980][/quote]

These people want to debunk God and his word for several reasons
(1) Impatience led them to intolerance, so they now feel God must answer in haste to their demands or nobody should be allowed to worship God anymore!

(2) 90% of them wants to live wayward life and the elderly ones amongst them don't know any form of standard to help such ones, instead of seeking ways to do that they're condoning whatever anyone choose to do as long as the person is on their side!

(3) They don't want anyone to teach them how to live their lives so any book written about standards becomes a problem to them especially if it has to do with a supreme being!

Wole Soyinka happens to be one of them, he lived all his life seeking knowledge but instead of trying to know more about God he joined the ATHEISTS claiming God doesn't exist. Later he felt he has made a name in the society with his useless Nobel nonsense only to discover that he couldn't even win a counselor seat in his own home!

Had it been he studied God's word i'm 100% certain that Jehovah's Witnesses would have taught him that the person having the authorities of the whole earth in his hands presently is a wicked spirit being, so there is no way a person who thinks he is wise but refused to join the crooked players in Politics can win any seat in government! 1John 5:19 compare to Luke 4:8

Their problem is clearly stated in an ancient book written long ago by Jew named "Moses".

He said "this people seems wise in their own eyes and in the eyes of their contemporaries, but they will later become deluded in their own thinking"! Job 5:13

Where is wole Soyinka today?

Of course he's still alive, but the agents of Satan (the ruler of the world) {John 14:30} have relegated the old guy to one corner. He can only rant hopelessly with his Nobel prize his noise will never count!

Why?
Because he keep having the feeling that something should be done to salvage the situation, but failed to acknowledge the one and only Supreme Being who has the WISDOM and POWER to make the changes :- "GOD"