gregyboy:




Lol....... P. O. S. T pictures naCc

Metaphysical

[s]Help me beg am to post pictures on the exhumed head on arun oba ado.[/s]

Your IQ is single-digited.

So, I understand your request for pictures.

Written texts scare people with single digit IQ.

And you actually confessed it in one of your comments --- you said reading text scares you.

I have, therefore, adviced you to get yourself some copies of Queen Primer.

Begin learning to read with it, for it has both text and pictures.

Your single-digited-IQ reasoning is typical of a guy whom a "yahoo boy" will send pictures of a girl to claiming that's him in exchange for money.

He knows well that you love pictures unreasonably.

TAO11:


Actually they have a number of conflicting creation myths.

One of them --- with the title "Iso Norho" --- specifically mentions Ife as the center of the world from where Edo, Ijaw, and Igbo left to their present location.

It talks about pouring sand over the primordial water-filled earth, about chain from heaven, etc. very similar to the Yoruba creation myth.

I will cite reference to it soon.

Modified --- see below as promised:

"The myth of the pouring sky ("Iso Norho" )

The most popular surviving non-dynastic myth of a common Edo origin is that of Iso Norho, ... .It puts the emergence of the Benin and other -speaking people in a primordial centre, Uhe, a place where problems are heaped before Oghene --- the God of creation --- ... .Uhe is said to have been occupied by Olukumi ("Yoruba" ), Igbon ("Igbo" ) and Uzon ("Ijo" ).

The myth begins by naming Oghene ( God" ) as the father of Iso ("the Sky" ), Ason ("Night" ) and Avan ("Daylight" ). Out of the three children of Oghene, only the eldest son, Iso ("Sky" ), had children; Ame ("Water" ) and Oto ("Earth" ). The children of Oto were Igbon ("Igbo" ), Olukumi ("Yoruba " and Idu ("Edo ". ... .But Oghene did not want the children to suffer undue hardship. By means of a chain he poured sand on the flood water to form dry land for their inhabitants. Thus Uhe ("i.e. old Ife" ) was formed by divine ("Oghene's" ) providence. ...

Idu's children ("Akka, Efa, Emechi" ) had to migrate from Uhe to the present site of Benin City --- then called Ubinu --- where they displaced a group of original settlers, Ivbirinwineko ("dwarfs from the spirit world" ). Memories of these original settlers are preserved in Edo songs and folklore."

Reference:
Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs: Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, pp.312-313.

Uhe in old Benin is not Ife. It was were Benin took refused during the rain that flooded the lowlands. Uhe is the mountainous region of Edo North. It was Egharevba and his Yoruba brothers that changed it to Ife

I repeat Uhe in old Benin was not present day Ife.

I know it's painful to wake up one day and realised that everything you based your history on are fake.

You must take heart because it's not the end of the world.

Benin/Ife history is a lie.

Benin and Ife have nothing in common, trying to steal other people's history through the backdoor is wicked and criminal.

Unlike Benin that fought so many wars for centuries, Ife never shot an arrow.

davidnazee:


[s]Another lie from you Yorubas trying desperately to change history.

If Benin wasn’t greater than Ife this discussion wouldn’t be going on.
All the stories about Ife are myths no evidence to support them.[/s]

BENIN LOGIC: A Nairaland discussion continues because Benin is greater than Ife. Please book an appointment with a psychiatrist right away without waste of time.

Evidence of Ife's greatness and ascendancy over Benin kingdom was presented overwhelmingly until you all fled in silence --- ask samuk.

Wait, were you not the same guy whom I gave a blank check where I said I will revoke every single argument I have ever put forward on Nairaland if you can prove a specific allegation you made against me??

Nay! You ran away. You should be ashamed right now.

See the following link for a reminder of the blank check I gave you:

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/15#87971340

For the Edo Iso Norho myth of creation, see the link below with full referencing:

https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/2#88196678

TAO11:


Actually they have a number of conflicting creation myths.

One of them --- with the title "Iso Norho" --- specifically mentions Ife as the center of the world from where Edo, Ijaw, and Igbo left to their present location.

It talks about pouring sand over the primordial water-filled earth, about chain from heaven, etc. very similar to the Yoruba creation myth.

I will cite reference to it soon.

Modified --- see below as promised:

[i][]"The myth of the pouring sky ("Iso Norho" )

The most popular surviving non-dynastic myth of a common Edo origin is that of Iso Norho, ... .It puts the emergence of the Benin and other -speaking people in a primordial centre, Uhe, a [b]place where problems are heaped before Oghene --- the God of creation --- ... .Uhe is said to have been occupied by Olukumi ("Yoruba" ), Igbon ("Igbo" ) and Uzon ("Ijo" ).

The myth begins by naming Oghene ( God" ) as the father of Iso ("the Sky" ), Ason ("Night" ) and Avan ("Daylight" ). Out of the three children of Oghene, only the eldest son, Iso ("Sky" ), had children; Ame ("Water" ) and Oto ("Earth" ). The children of Oto were Igbon ("Igbo" ), Olukumi ("Yoruba " and Idu ("Edo ". ... .But [b]Oghene[b] did not want the children to suffer undue hardship.By means of a chain he poured sand on the flood water to form dry land for their inhabitants. Thus Uhe ("i.e. old Ife" ) was formed by divine ("Oghene's" ) providence. ...

[b]Idu's children ("Akka, Efa, Emechi" ) had to migrate from Uhe to the present site of Benin City --- then called Ubinu --- where they displaced a group of original settlers, Ivbirinwineko ("dwarfs from the spirit world" ). Memories of these original settlers are preserved in Edo songs and [b]folklore."

Reference:
Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs: [i]Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations[], Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, pp.312-313.

@ first paragraph, the bolded and italicized.

Explain again please...

Left Ife to where exactly....This angle I Just read didn't go down well with me.

What exactly do you mean?

samuk:


[s]Uhe in old Benin is not Ife. It was were Benin took refused during the rain that flooded the lowlands. Uhe is the mountainous region of Edo North. It was Egharevba and his Yoruba brothers that changed it to Ife

I repeat Uhe in old Benin was not present day Ife.

I know it's painful to wake up one day and realised that everything your based your history on are fake.

You must take heart because it's not the end of the world.

Benin/Ife history is a lie.

Unlike Benin that fought so many wars for centuries, Ife never shot an arrow[/s]

Important Question:
What makes you think if you repeat a lie many times it will eventually become a truth??


(1) Uhe is Ife! Says who?

Says:
Omo N'Oba Erediauwa II in his "The Benin-Ife Connection", (May 2004). https://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

Says also:
Omoregie 1987 cited in Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs: Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, pp.312-313. https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/2#88196678

(2) Uhe is old Benin! Says who?

Says a certain unknown Nairaland clown by the moniker samuk.


I am, therefore, very confident and certain that every sane and stable mind know whom to trust between Oba Erediauwa II + the historians and a certain unknown Nairaland clown, samuk.




Regarding the MODIFIED part of your comment about war:

Well Oranmiyan is generally acclaimed as Akinlogun (Brave Hero at War).

I recall how he went to a certain forest. Conquered and subjugated the forest people, and installed our dynasty till date.

I won't mention the name of that forest or the forest people. I will let Oba Ewuare II do that mentioning.

Let's hear from Oba Ewuare II in the video below from time-stamp 13:33 to 13:41 of the video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Osagyefo98:



@ first paragraph, the bolded and italicized.

Explain again please...

Left Ife to where exactly....This angle I Just read didn't go down well with me.

What exactly do you mean?

I will start by correcting your question in the last line of your comment.

You should have said: What exactly do the historians, et al. mean??

Whenever your see quotation marks it means those are not my words (unless I indicate otherwise). I actually cited the reference to the work in a very detailed way.


Back to your request of where they left Ife to:

The text says clearly --- and I'm sure you saw it --- that:

They left Ife "to the present site of Benin City .


Moreover, the definition of what is correct is not necessarily what goes down well with Osagyefo98.


Peace!

TAO11:


Actually they have a number of conflicting creation myths.

One of them --- with the title "Iso Norho" --- specifically mentions Ife as the center of the world from where Edo, Ijaw, and Igbo left to their present location.

It talks about pouring sand over the primordial water-filled earth, about chain from heaven, etc. very similar to the Yoruba creation myth.

I will cite reference to it soon.

Modified --- see below as promised:

"The myth of the pouring sky ("Iso Norho" )

The most popular surviving non-dynastic myth of a common Edo origin is that of Iso Norho, ... .It puts the emergence of the Benin and other -speaking people in a primordial centre, Uhe, a place where problems are heaped before Oghene --- the God of creation --- ... .Uhe is said to have been occupied by Olukumi ("Yoruba" ), Igbon ("Igbo" ) and Uzon ("Ijo" ).

The myth begins by naming Oghene ( God" ) as the father of Iso ("the Sky" ), Ason ("Night" ) and Avan ("Daylight" ). Out of the three children of Oghene, only the eldest son, Iso ("Sky" ), had children; Ame ("Water" ) and Oto ("Earth" ). The children of Oto were Igbon ("Igbo" ), Olukumi ("Yoruba " and Idu ("Edo ". ... .But Oghene did not want the children to suffer undue hardship. By means of a chain he poured sand on the flood water to form dry land for their inhabitants. Thus Uhe ("i.e. old Ife" ) was formed by divine ("Oghene's" ) providence. ...

Idu's children ("Akka, Efa, Emechi" ) had to migrate from Uhe to the present site of Benin City --- then called Ubinu --- where they displaced a group of original settlers, Ivbirinwineko ("dwarfs from the spirit world" ). Memories of these original settlers are preserved in Edo songs and folklore."

Reference:
Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs: Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, pp.312-313.

Everywhere we look, Benin, Edo took origin at Ife. Whether told by African or European, whether in folklore, myth, oral or written history there is consensus that Ife is the origin.

Slaves will always try to rebel and usurp noble positions out of their reach.

Thanks TAO!

TAO11:


I will start by correcting your question in the last line of your comment.

You should have said: What exactly do the historians, et al. mean??

Whenever your see quotation marks it means those are not my words (unless I indicate otherwise). I actually cited the reference to the work in a very detailed way.


Back to your request of where they left Ife to:

The text says clearly --- and I'm sure you saw it --- that:

They left Ife "to the present site of Benin City .


Moreover, the definition of what is correct is not necessarily what goes down well with Osagyefo98.


Peace!

Not your words but you are using it as a sound and correct submission...


Anyway I am not interested in where Benins left to.....My Interest is where the Igbos left to exactly?

TAO11:


Important Question:
What makes you think if you repeat a lie many times it will eventually become a truth??


(1) Uhe is Ife! Says who?

Says:
Omo N'Oba Erediauwa II in his "The Benin-Ife Connection", (May 2004). https://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

Says also:
Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs: Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, pp.312-313. https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/2#88196678

(2) Uhe is old Benin! Says who?

Says a certain unknown Nairaland clown by the moniker samuk.


I am, therefore, very confident and certain that every sane and stable mind knkw whom to trust between Erediauwa II + historians and a certain unknown Nairaland clown, samuk

Im enjoying your lessons. Honestly.

MetaPhysical:


Everywhere we look, Benin, Edo took origin at Ife. Whether told by African or European, whether in folklore, myth, oral or written history there is consensus that Ife is the origin.

Slaves will always try to rebel and usurp noble positions out of their reach.

Thanks TAO!

Try to real limit the scope of migration to Edo before you guys bury your arguments in the mud trying to sound correct.

Osagyefo98:


Not your words but you are using it as a sound and correct submission...


Anyway I am not interested in where Benins left to.....My Interest is where the Igbos left to exactly?

Anyone can choose to use it however they like.

The simple point I was making is NOT how to use it. No, I was simpy stating clearly that:

There exists an Edo mythology account (NOT a Yoruba mythology account) which claims that the Edos originally migrated from Ife to where they are now.

And regarding where the Igbo left to, the work Ireferenced (which cites this Edo mythology) has its focus on the Edos particularly.

TAO11:


Anyone can choose to use it however they like.

The simple point I was making is NOT how to use it. No, I was simpy stating clearly that:

There exists an Edo mythology account (NOT a Yoruba mythology account) which claims that the Edos originally migrated from Ife to where they are now.

And regarding where the Igbo left to, the work Ireferenced (which cites this Edo mythology) has its focus on the Edos particularly.

Alright.

I am at ease with the word " Edos Particularly"


Gracias.

Osagyefo98:



Alright.

I am at ease with the word " Edos Particularly"


Gracias.

Sure!

It's an Edo myth which talks about the Edos and some others.

Not an Igbo myth talking about the Igbos and some others.

It is fairly binding only on the Edo person.

Dyonne:


There is a relationship it's just that there's disagreement on what that relationship is.
History is very clear though and the Benin Empire extended even beyond Yoruba land into Dahomey.

This is very well documented. If the Benins had used the same model as the British Empire, we wouldn't be having this discussion as Yorubas would be speaking Benin language today.

How far have you gone to read edo history

If you want us to rexamine the relationship between benin and ife i would gladly help you to

I once thought as you
Ghostwon had been saging it since but no one paid attention untill recently

TAO11:


Your IQ is single-digited.

So, I understand your request for pictures.

Written texts scare people with single digit IQ.

And you actually confessed it in one of your comments --- you said reading text scares you.

I have, therefore, adviced you to get yourself some copies of Queen Primer.

Begin learning to read with it, for it has both text and pictures.

Your single-digited-IQ reasoning is typical of a guy whom a "yahoo boy" will send pictures of a girl to claiming that's him in exchange for money.

He knows well that you love pictures unreasonably.

Lol, funny bigot


You posted a link to Egharevba work that cost 70$ to buy and you expect me to buy it because you referenced it , physcho dude, I bet you didn’t even buy it , if you did you would post in pictures of Orun oba ado dugged excavations

Again post photos of heads dugged from Orun oba excavation

Benin and ife never had a connection at anytime
Oduduwa story was a Political myth


What state are you from

Samuk
Metaphysical

TAO11:


Sure!

It's an Edo myth which talks about the Edos and some others.

Not an Igbo myth talking about the Igbos and some others.

It is fairly binding only on the Edo person.

So if it’s a myth then it’s not true. Just like all your stories about Ife are all myths and false. Ife stories are like the stories of lost city of Atlantis, like Zeus and Odin, all myths.

I know you Yorubas are trying hard to change history to favour your race but history the way it is known and witnessed has already been told and documented. There’s nothing about Ife in real history.

davidnazee:


So if it’s a myth then it’s not true. Just like all your stories about Ife are all myths and false. Ife stories are like the stories of lost city of Atlantis, like Zeus and Odin, all myths.

I know you Yorubas are trying hard to change history to favour your race but history the way it is known and witnessed has already been told and documented. There’s nothing about Ife in real history.

Even the Portuguese and Dutch that you so much depend on for credits have written and said your king is a dependent to another greater power. Have you not read this before?

Your King gets authority elsewhere. I can show you in texts, and if you dont believe texts I can show you in pictures.

gregyboy:



Lol, funny bigot


You posted a link to Egharevba work that cost 70$ to buy and you expect me to buy it because you referenced it , physcho dude, I bet you didn’t even buy it , if you did you would post in pictures of Orun oba ado dugged excavations

Again post photos of heads dugged from Orun oba excavation

Benin and ife never had a connection at anytime
Oduduwa story was a Political myth


What state are you from

Samuk
Metaphysical

You are still uncivilized gregyboy, still very uncivilized!

There are rites performed at succession to thrones and the new king takes a sacred oath over the body of the predecessor. This oath seals the continuity of dynasty. Once the predecessor is put into ground his remains can never, and must never, again come out. Its a taboo to exhume a king. This is reason they are never buried in cemetry.

If you exhume the heads of kings their successors will perish.

Willett was told by your chiefs in Edo the tradition of sending the head of your Oba for burial in Ife. Willett went to Ife and corroborated the story. He asked to see the site and it was shown to him. He went about digging the sites looking for buried heads. What a foolish Englishman! Did he expect the people to break their taboos because an Englishman wanted to prove their account? The most absurd request!

The fact that both side corroborate same account should be enuff.

Your elders say its tradition in Benin, Ife say its tradition but your forest-roaming instinct wants a dig.

People are not reckless like you and Willett.


Cc
Tao11

samuk:


Benin and Yoruba do not only reside in Lagos alone, I have already given you my personal experience of being referred to as Igbo by Yoruba.

You must also understand that Lagos Yoruba may be more cosmopolitan and exposed than Yoruba from other places, besides, Lagos have always had a unique relationship with Benin.

Due to this unique relationship and shared common history, one can understand why an average Lagos Yoruba don't see themselves as different from the average Benin. The same may not be true about a Yoruba person from Ijebu.

Pursuing Biafra or Oduduwa republic doesn't mean we should begin to rewrite the history of the past.

Whilst we look forward to a better Nigeria or Biafra, the authenticity of history of the past have to be preserved for future generations, otherwise they will be feed lies and fabrications as history.

you are trying Sha. That dude is an obvious troll so stop lecturing him on facts

MetaPhysical:


You are still uncivilized gregyboy, still very uncivilized!

There are rites performed at succession to thrones and the new king takes a sacred oath over the body of the predecessor. This oath seals the continuity of dynasty. Once the predecessor is put into ground his remains can never, and must never, again come out. Its a taboo to exhume a king. This is reason they are never buried in cemetry.

If you exhume the heads of kings their successors will perish.

Willett was told by your chiefs in Edo the tradition of sending the head of your Oba for burial in Ife. Willett went to Ife and corroborated the story. He asked to see the site and it was shown to him. He went about digging the sites looking for buried heads. What a foolish Englishman! Did he expect the people to break their taboos because an Englishman wanted to prove their account? The most absurd request!

The fact that both side corroborate same account should be enuff.

Your elders say its tradition in Benin, Ife say its tradition but your forest-roaming instinct wants a dig.

People are not reckless like you and Willett.


Cc
Tao11

Hahahaha have never have a good laugh like this for a while now, am screenshoting this for future reference lol
Can you imagine

Samuk
Ghostwon

I had made 10 mentions to TAO11 and yet no replies pls call him quickly the truth is unfolding
Oduduwa was just a political myth that failed for the benins

If he can disprove this fact then we can go back and argue our ife and benin supiority but as for now all arguments is to validate if there truly an ife and benin connection at all and to further expose the Oduduwa political myth


TAO11

Come out i guess you reading all books both the ones you're buying and this ones u aint buying not to loose to me, keep it up but be first to it, i got no time, if i get the information i need there will be no point again arguing with you on nairaland i would makesure all nairaland know there was never oduduwa and there was never a benin and ife connections

gregyboy:



Hahahaha have never have a good laugh like this for a while now, am screenshoting this for future reference lol
Can you imagine

Samuk
Ghostwon

I had made 10 mentions to TAO11 and yet no replies pls call him quickly the truth is unfolding
Oduduwa was just a political myth that failed for the benins

If he can disprove this fact then we can go back and argue our ife and benin supiority but as for now all arguments is to validate if there truly an ife and benin connection at all and to further expose the Oduduwa political myth


TAO11

Come out i guess you reading all books both the ones you're buying and this ones u aint buying not to loose to me, keep it up but be first to it, i got no time, if i get the information i need there will be no point again arguing with you on nairaland i would makesure all nairaland know there was never oduduwa and there was never a benin and ife connections

Lol. Even Metaphysical has see that their Orun Oba Ado is a lie, fake and fabrication.

I hope TAO11 will not have a heart attack when he sees the post from Metaphysical saying the same thing as the Benins, that the Benin Obas were buried in Benin and their bodies/head never exhumed and taken to Ife, the reason no human bones were found in their Orun Oba Ado when it was excavated.

Imagine your team mate giving you such an uppercut, a red eye and bloodied nose, there is no recovery from this unless TAO11 is shameless.

Let TAO11 and other of his Yoruba liars come and argue with their brother Metaphysical that he is not correct.

Now that Metaphysical has now agree with the Benins on this fake Orun Oba Ado, case closed.

The world can now see that even the Yorubas known themselves that the Benin/Ife connections was a fabrication.

I did say on the other thread that their arguments have become weaker even to themselves after all the evidences that were produced and analysed, including watering sources that was disproved.

Poor TAO11, how will him be feeling now, especially knowing that our Igbo brothers and other tribes will also be reading this post.

Don't be surprised if TAO11 still shamelessly come out to say something.

Can we now see how confused these Yoruba history revisionists are.

Gregyboy thanks for pushing them hard enough for them to start contradicting themselves.

TAO11 entire Benin/Ife relationship is based on the Orun Oba Ado fallacy that has just been shattered by his Yoruba brother Metaphysical calling him and the English man Willie stupid and foolish for believing such nonsense to the point of wasting his time to excavates the empty sites.

Imagine them even creating a burial site for female Obas of Benin thinking that Benin had female Obas.

You would have expected these arguments to die a natural death now but they will still find a way to cook up another absurdity.

samuk:


Lol. Even Metaphysical has see that their Orun Oba Ado is a lie, fake and fabrication.

I hope TAO11 will not have a heart attack when he sees the post from Metaphysical saying the same thing as the Benins, that the Benin Obas were buried in Benin and their bodies/head never exhumed and taken to Ife, the reason no human bones were found in their Orun Oba Ado when it was excavated.

Imagine your team mate giving you such an uppercut, a red eye and bloodied nose, there is no recovery from this unless TAO11 is shameless.

Let TAO11 and other of his Yoruba liars come and argue with their brother Metaphysical that he is not correct.

Now that Metaphysical has now agree with the Benins on this fake Orun Oba Ado, case closed.

The world can now see that even the Yorubas known themselves that the Benin/Ife connections was a fabrication.

I did say on the other thread that their arguments have become weaker even to themselves after all the evidences that were produced and analysed, including watering sources that was disproved.

Poor TAO11, how will him be feeling now, especially knowing that our Igbo brothers and other tribes will also be reading this post.

Don't be surprised if TAO11 still shamelessly come out to say something.

Can we now see how confused these Yoruba history revisionists are.

Gregyboy thanks for pushing them hard enough for them to start contradicting themselves.

TAO11 entire Benin/Ife relationship is based on the Orun Oba Ado fallacy that has just been shattered by his Yoruba brother Metaphysical calling him and the English man Willie stupid and foolish for believing such nonsense to the point of wasting his time to excavates the empty sites.

Imagine them even creating a burial site for female Obas of Benin thinking that Benin had female Obas.

More research is going on by me to ascertain if ife and Oduduwa really had a connection if truly they didnt

Argument like who have the word oba
Who gave the word ubini
And so on will be forever settled

Do you know the Portuguese were the original people who had given the name benin to benin" before they arrived to africa they have had account of arabic merchant of a town name birni in the present kebbi state, Birni kebbi then was still a pagan state before our brother usman later converted all the pagan state in the north to islam, ibn buttua had already reported of a powerful pagan town birni kebbi to the Europeans on his venture to africa so Portuguese sailors had later set on a quest to sail to africa to spread Christianity and find Prester peter who had defeated the islamist spread on getting to africa they meant smaller disorganized kingdoms that didn't catch thier interest while they were sailing they meant some benins who were trading at the bight of benin they were well dressed and organized they had to stop to adress the benin people who later took them to the palace when they got to the palace the felt they had gotten to the Kingdom ibn buttua had mentioned birni" language barrier had made them unable to ask the name of the Kingdom they were, overtime time when language barrier was broken and they later knew it wasnt birni like they had thought it was already to late to change it. the name benin had already been imprinted to Europeans as benin city it was hard calling it the new name

This assertion can be proved because non of our neighbors had call us benin if true we had truly bore the name ubini or ile binu so how come it was only the Portuguese we had introduced the name only to, even when we conquered some areas even after the Portuguese arrival they had still maintained the corrupted form of edo( idu, ado)
It also not used in benin lexicon when a benin man identifes himself he identifes as ovbie edo
And never have they identified as ovbie binu " except the Portuguese were only the one who invented the name and had identified edo people as benin people, even without the benin people knowing they were been identified as benins by the Portuguese and not edo as thier name

Ile binu was just a construct by egharevba handwork to link benin with youruba ife people
Ife only became popular in the the early nigeria period as a result of artwork works found in ife it boasted the pretige of ife and it became a bedrock for thier mythology of thier history
Before then ife was not even recognize amongst yoruba at all


The fuuny things in this is our oba will still join them to say all this distorted history


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MetaPhysical:


Even the Portuguese and Dutch that you so much depend on for credits have written and said your king is a dependent to another greater power. Have you not read this before?

Your King gets authority elsewhere. I can show you in texts, and if you dont believe texts I can show you in pictures.

Even the same Portuguese and British that u are now depending on have written text questioning that myth about Benin / Ife connection because they claim Benin is much older than Ife.
Or have you not read texts that describes how Benin ruled over much of Yoruba lands? Yoruba kings paid homage and dues to Benin Kingdom..

I can show you in texts and if you don’t believe I can show you in pictures.

Difference between your supposed evidence and mine will be that any evidence you try to bring will be only one sentence and hearsay and the writer agrees it’s a myth. Mine on the other hand will be full written documentation and witnessed by people who wrote it.

gregyboy:


More research is going on by me to ascertain if ife and Oduduwa really had a connection if truly they didnt

Argument like who have the word oba
Who gave the word ubini
And so on will be forever settled

Do you know the Portuguese were the original people who had given the name benin to benin" before they arrived to africa they have had account of arabic merchant of a town name birni in the present kebbi state, Birni kebbi then was still a pagan state before our brother usman later converted all the pagan state in the north to islam, ibn buttua had already reported of a powerful pagan town birni kebbi to the Europeans on his venture to africa so Portuguese sailors had later set on a quest to sail to africa to spread Christianity and find Prester peter who had defeated the islamist spread on getting to africa they meant smaller disorganized kingdoms that didn't catch thier interest while they were sailing they meant some benins who were trading at the bight of benin they were well dressed and organized they had to stop to adress the benin people who later took them to the palace when they got to the palace the felt they had gotten to the Kingdom ibn buttua had mentioned birni" language barrier had made them unable to ask the name of the Kingdom they were, overtime time when language barrier was broken and they later knew it wasnt birni like they had thought it was already to late to change it. the name benin had already been imprinted to Europeans as benin city it was hard calling it the new name

This assertion can be proved because non of our neighbors had call us benin if true we had truly bore the name ubini or ile binu so how come it was only the Portuguese we had introduced the name only to, even when we conquered some areas even after the Portuguese arrival they had still maintained the corrupted form of edo( idu, ado)
It also not used in benin lexicon when a benin man identifes himself he identifes as ovbie edo
And never have they identified as ovbie binu " except the Portuguese were only the one who invented the name and had identified edo people as benin people, even without the benin people knowing they were been identified as benins by the Portuguese and not edo as thier name

Ile binu was just a construct by egharevba handwork to link benin with youruba ife people
Ife only became popular in the the early nigeria period as a result of artwork works found in ife it boasted the pretige of ife and it became a bedrock for thier mythology of thier history
Before then ife was not even recognize amongst yoruba at all


The fuuny things in this is our oba will still join them to say all this distorted history


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Interesting, where you able to make contact with Imaseun Izoduwa, you seems to have a flare for research, you guys and other Benins here could complement each others.

Poor Yoruba nairalanders, they don't know what has hit them.

samuk:


Interesting, where you able to make contact with Imaseun Izoduwa, you seems to have a flare for research, you guys and other Benins here could complement each others.

Poor Yoruba nairalanders, they don't know what has hit them.

Yea he still speaks of the old political myth...

They are so afraid to relearn thats is the problem of the aged people

He plans to make a movie out of it too

Egharevba did all this just attain his doctorate degree truly no ones cares about tribe when it comes to personal gains

gregyboy:



Yea he still speaks of the old political myth...

They are so afraid to relearn thats is the problem of the aged people

The Benin people of this generation could all come together to research and author a book into the true Benin/Ife relationship.

Those of us abroad that have access to various museums that host Benin artworks, should continue to study those artworks for what they represent and depict rather than seeing them as some decorative ornament of no significance purpose.

Those artworks were the photographs of their time.

See how you were able to match the artwork that depicts a messager with the people of Nupe/Igala from ther facial tribal mark and disproved it referring to an Ife messager as previously being claimed by the Yorubas.

Numerous Benin artworks could have also depicted various tribes across Nigeria of 15c, 16c 17c and 18 centuries.

We shouldn't just seat back and allow the Yorubas to claim they were the only tribes these artworks represent or depicted.

I am sure Yoruba people would have been depicted in Benin artworks also but we should be able to tell the difference between an artwork showing Yoruba people from Igala and people of old eastern Nigeria.

davidnazee:


Even the same Portuguese and British that u are now depending on have written text questioning that myth about Benin / Ife connection because they claim Benin is much older than Ife.
Or have you not read texts that describes how Benin ruled over much of Yoruba lands? Yoruba kings paid homage and dues to Benin Kingdom..

I can show you in texts and if you don’t believe I can show you in pictures.

Difference between your supposed evidence and mine will be that any evidence you try to bring will be only one sentence and hearsay and the writer agrees it’s a myth. Mine on the other hand will be full written documentation and witnessed by people who wrote it.

No history has ever been written where Ooni is said to be subject of a greater king elsewhere. Never!

There are numerous accounts that say your Oba is subject of a Greater King.

Compare that.


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samuk:


The Benin people of this generation could all come together to research and author a book into the true Benin/Ife relationship.

Those of us abroad that have access to various museums that host Benin artworks, should continue to study those artworks for what they represent and depict rather than seeing them as some decorative ornament of no significant purpose.

Those artworks were the photographs of their time.

See how you were able to match the artwork that depicts a messager with the people of Nupe/Igala from ther facial tribal mark and disproved it referring to an Ife messager as previously being claimed by the Yorubas.

Numerous Benin artworks could have also depicted various tribes across Nigeria of 15c, 16c 17c and 18 centuries.

We shouldn't just seat back and allow the Yorubas to claim they were the only tribes these artworks represent or depicted.

I am sure Yoruba people would have been depicted in Benin artworks also but we should be able to tell the difference between an artwork showing Yoruba people from Igala and people of old eastern Nigeria.

In fact, Thornton published a book to put forward a claim that Oba of Benin was subject of a King of Nupe/Igala.

Whichever direction you take Benin is accounted as a lesser King to a much greater King ....a foreigner that lives elsewhere.

You can counter Yoruba claim but you cannot escape from the fact that Oba derived authority from another ethnic. This is your burden for eternity!

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MetaPhysical:


No history has ever been written where Ooni is said to be subject of a greater king elsewhere. Never!

There are numerous accounts that say your Oba is subject of a Greater King.

Compare that.


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TAO11

Are you still calling on TAO11, have you not done enough damage to the Yoruba arguments/debates.

Have you not realised that all your Yoruba nairaland historians have run away.

Before your intervention, they were all enjoying themselves spewing garbage as history.

samuk:


The Benin people of this generation could all come together to research and author a book into the true Benin/Ife relationship.

Those of us abroad that have access to various museums that host Benin artworks, should continue to study those artworks for what they represent and depict rather than seeing them as some decorative ornament of no significant purpose.

Those artworks were the photographs of their time.

See how you were able to match the artwork that depicts a messager with the people of Nupe/Igala from ther facial tribal mark and disproved it referring to an Ife messager as previously being claimed by the Yorubas.

Numerous Benin artworks could have also depicted various tribes across Nigeria of 15c, 16c 17c and 18 centuries.

We shouldn't just seat back and allow the Yorubas to claim they were the only tribes these artworks represent or depicted.

I am sure Yoruba people would have been depicted in Benin artworks also but we should be able to tell the difference between an artwork showing Yoruba people from Igala and people of old eastern Nigeria.

Yea

Am doing a research to ascertain if ife really made those art works or it was paid by craft men to do it
Our artwork is totally different fron the ife artwork am doing a research on the various artwork that comes in semblance with the benin artwork in nigeria the closet have seen is igala and nupe artwork

Are you aware some edo tribe are in benue and they also eat poundex yam as thier traditional food usman danfio died in benue but lucky they were later islamized through time tho pocket of local traditions can still be seeing in nupe today

If more research can be done on this areas it will go a long way telling how the benin migrated and were they are from islam really destroyed thier historical records in the north

gregyboy:



Yea

Am doing a research to ascertain if ife really made those art works or it was paid by craft men to do it
Our artwork is totally different fron the ife artwork am doing a research on the various artwork that comes in semblance with the benin artwork in nigeria the closet have seen is igala and nupe artwork

Are you aware some edo tribe are in benue and they also eat poundex yam as thier traditional food usman danfio died in benue but lucky they were later islamized through time tho pocket of local traditions can still be seeing in nupe today

If more research can be done on this areas it will go a long way telling how the benin migrated and were they are from islam really destroyed thier historical records in the north

More on Benin/Igala relationship told by the Igalas themselves. There is also a nollywood movie by Mercy Johnson.

You can find the history and her statue on the internet.

The Legend of Igala Kingdom- Princess In
Princess Inikpi of Kogi

According to historical records, It all started with a war between Benin & the Igala people which caused the land to be unsafe, farmlands were taken over by the enemies and stream been poisoned so that anyone that drank from them would die. Nowhere was safe at all.

The Igalas feared imminent death from starvation and lack of water. When the Atta (King) consulted the oracle, it proclaimed that a reversal of their misfortune and victory in the war could only come when the princess, the only daughter of the king is buried alive. — Princess Inikpi.

Surely, the king was distraught heartbroken and shaded tears. For days, he didn’t eat or drink and he wished for an alternative solution. Of cos, no father would just agree for any of his children to be buried alive not to talk about the only child of the Atta (King).

The princess noticed the worries of her father and asked to know the reason for his sadness. Instead of opening up, he held off telling her the reason for seven days, but on the eighth, he relented and told her the words of the Oracle.

The Princess loved his father and her people as much as they loved her, could not bear the thought of holding off on the solution that would save Igala land. Princess Inikpi did not object, she did not fight. Therefore, she agreed to be sacrificed and set off voluntarily to the bank of River Niger at Idah (some say market square), where she was buried along with 9 slaves who would help her in the journey to the afterlife.



It was a sad resolution but the Igala people hailed her for her heroism. after the sacrifice, the story went on that as the Bini armies advanced to swoop, they saw the whole town in FLAMES and retreated feeling that there was no need taking the war to a place already on fire; but it was the blood of Inikpi that deceived them. However, it was the influence of the sacrifice.

Observance of the role the Princess played in averting disaster in Igala land still represents an important historical event in the life of the igala people. Today, so many people in Idah bear the name Inikpi in honour of the princess.

The sacrifice was a costly one, very expensive indeed, it, however, made peace reign again in Igala land.

Till today, the late Princess Inikpi who was sacrificed so that the Igalas might live remains the unifying factor in Igala land.

For this, the Igala people are forever deeply grateful to Princess Inikpi for her sacrifice and act of heroism. A statue of the princess stands at “Ega” in Idah, which is considered the Igala traditional headquarters. Several plays have also been produced to celebrate her story