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Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 1:46pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Shelumiel: Why did you hide verse 15? He is the image of God (just as humans were also created in the image of God) he is the " FIRST BORN of all creations! Please is there anything born that doesn't have a father? John 20:17 Just go and look for Jehovah's Witnesses, they will teach you the rest, i was a Muslim before i accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and savior, as our Master Lord and King he has helped us to develop all the nine qualities of God's holy spirit in our organization! Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Goodness, Kindness, Faith, Mildness and Self-control. Galatians 5:22-23 Go and search throughout the earth if you will find any other group like us, he is the Prince of Peace and his promise is that all people of the world will recognize us by one word, though they may hate us and accuse us. Everywhere you go you'll hear from people say "Jehovah's Witnesses have LOVE amongst themselves" John 13:34-35; 17:20-23 So if you want to argue don't worry, your market will come! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by sonmvayina(m): 1:52pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69: I can't find any of what you said in Genesis..why?..what can you say about Isaiah 45:4-9 |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Shelumiel: 2:02pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69:Jehovah witness? My brother, leave that cult before you become a victim of Charles Russell Tuze. What they preach is perversion which is why you can never see the Holy Spirit in their midst. Shalom 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 2:02pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina: Yorùbá say! Igbo say! Hausa say! Babylonians say! Please go and continue studying your books, i believe solely in God's word the Bible. So if you don't, you and i have no business! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 2:07pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Shelumiel: And what is the FRUIT of God's holy spirit that you're seeing in your own midst? Note that GIFTS differs from FRUITS ! So tell me the FRUIT of God's holy spirit in your religion, and i will tell you the FRUIT of God's holy spirit that's obvious to everyone as it's permeating in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses! 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 2:16pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Shelumiel: Of course you'll call me your brother, as you can see how efficient a Christian is boldly quoting God's word with efficacy to back his beliefs! Even your Pastors can't do this because they don't have God's spirit in them, i asked you to prove yourself as a Christian by quoting God's word to back your beliefs, but can you now see that you're empty? Well i was a Muslim who can't even quote a single phrase in God's word, until i met Jehovah's Witnesses (TRUE Christians) So let me tell you that you're not my brother or sister in anyway, unless you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 12:46-49 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by sonmvayina(m): 2:20pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69: Genesis is the first book of the Bible..in case you don't know..my question is which day did God create Jesus?...and why are you quoting Colossians for an event that happened in Genesis...if it did happen shouldn't it be reported in Genesis or at least Exodus.. And why would God say "there is no one beside him"..in Isaiah 45. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Shelumiel: 2:21pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69:Oga, don't get it twisted o. I'm not calling you my brother because I'm a Christian (because JWs don't believe in being called Christians so you're suppose to hold on that dogmatic belief of theirs so that exempt you from being called brother . ). Secondly, you're not a Muslim. For even Muslims indirectly know(although they'll never admit) that Jesus is God. And as for dissecting the word of God, puhahahha... You've failed woeful |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 2:28pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Shelumiel: All followers of this thread will surely agree with you! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 2:30pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina: I no kno sey na u, i dey sorry gan! So abeg waka pass! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by sonmvayina(m): 3:03pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69: And you want me to be a Christian because......? |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 3:08pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina: Even God doesn't want you any close to him! Because his son said himself and his followers should search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and obviously you don't belong to that category. So go and worship any type of God you know! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by sonmvayina(m): 3:37pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk..and Marduk is the Lord of the old testament... Marduk is the son of Enki.,the God of wisdom... It was at the council of nicea that Arthanasius said he was both God and man ,and a human history was forged .. probably by eusebius. http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 4:05pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina: That's why i said "go and worship your own God the best way you know" |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by sonmvayina(m): 4:25pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69: I am educating those who want to wake up..you can continue to wallow in your ignorance..I don't really care.. God is the universal conciouseness.. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by thankgod460(m): 4:46pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Well, it is very important for us to examine the fact through the direction of holy Spirit and avoid all this argument. Nevertheless, John 1:14 make it clear to us that "the word was made flesh and dwelt among us". From verse 1, it was clear that "the word was with God and the word was God". This shows two entity that became one. Now how did you want to separate it? The understanding can only be review to individual by Holy Spirit of God. The reason why Jesus is God, is because every of achievement is to the glory of God. (This is a mystery that man without holy Spirit can not interpret). So, if you call him son of God, he is son If you call him God, he is God |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 6:42pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
thankgod460:English is not the original language of the Bible.. English Bible was translated from Greek. So, why is your English John 1:1 saying another thing different from Greek John 1:1 ? God is a spirit.. John 4:24, Father and son is how many spirit? John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God. God's only Son, the one who is closest to the Father's heart, has made him known" Your opinion contradicts John 1:18,why ? John 1:18,No man has ever seen God", is true or false? |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 6:47pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Shelumiel: You Sabi LIE like kilode . JWs believe the words of Jesus (John 17:3. 3:16-17) which you have been claimed is trash. Every Muslim knows that your statement about them is false. Triune pagan deity devotee well done |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 7:04pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Janosky: @Janosky This isn't consistent with that same Chapter or with the bible explanation itself. I have had this discussion here with your colleague before. You can check my explanation on this earlier to understand my position. This has been discussed on NL extensively before. https://www.nairaland.com/5357685/jesus-not-god-reno-omokri#81224838 Also this: https://www.nairaland.com/5357685/jesus-not-god-reno-omokri#81245174 You may need to also follow the line of thoughts in that thread to understand my discussion with one of your companion which i assumed you are partially part of. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Ladyvin(f): 7:31pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
OtemAtum: Like seriously? Are you saying that Jesus is not alive |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by OtemAtum: 7:32pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Ladyvin:Alive only in the enslaved minds of human beings. Non-existent in reality. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 7:37pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69: Your story-line is not consistent with scriptures Sir. Firstly the Colossians 1:15-16 you quoted used firstborn "prototokos" as related to his redemptive work. You have to read in context not take one verse out of it and interpret. It wasnt referring to creating him. Prototokos was used 9 times by KJV translation and referred to Jesus 8 times in the usage. 2 times referring to his earthly birth, 6 times referring to his finished work, born from the dead. The firstborn from the dead. That is the first to come from the dead, referring to place of death due to sin of man. He called him first because there will be many (believers) who will afterwards come out from the dead, raised. Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Eph 2:5-6 5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: The context is clear Sir. Compare to other usage of prototokos (firstborn) for Jesus or similar usage such as only begotten (monogenes). They dont have to literally mean act of giving birth or creating something. Usually meaning is to show where that thing comes from. Firstborn, first to come from.... that, Only begotten, only one to come from.... Jesus is the only one who came from God, hence only begotten of the father, not as in male/female coming together birth. This one came from God. Jesus was never a created being. He is God in man. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 8:02pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
hupernikao:Oga hupernikao, TOV Theon is NEVER applied to Jesus Christ anywhere in the Greek new testament.. not even in John 1:1. Jesus Christ applied tov Theon exclusively to the only true God Almighty,Yahweh,his Father. John 14:1.John 17:3.John 20:17= Rev3:5,12,21. Trinitarians twist of John 10:30, Jesus debunks it @ John 17:22 = 1Cor 3:6,8. You can believe what you want, it's your choice. Shalom.
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Re: Jesus Is God. See by thankgod460(m): 8:18pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Janosky:Please are you from Greek? Even the English we speak at times give different interpretations or meaning depending on the context. Because you read words in Latin or Greek doesn't mean you have the best interpretations. I have people that are from Lebanon that explains bible in divers way because they made it clear to me that Arabic words have divers of meaning. Similarly if you ask people from Greek they also will give you divers meaning. Thanks |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:22pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina: Thank you! 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Nobody: 8:24pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
hupernikao: Jesus is the first born my friend, FIRST BORN! Adam never had a mother as well as God's son! Luke 3:38 So any first born surely has a beginning! But God Almighty has no beginning! |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:18pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Janosky: You didnt read Bro, i directed you to a detailed discussion but you didnt bother to check. That is already a set mind and not good for discussion. Also, note that your Greek lexicon and understanding is not good at all. And i have explained that in that link i gave you as to be re-writing all that again is labor. But let me point this out to you that it is obvious you have a wrong knowledge of Greek word but you are fast to use it. Using tov theon as argument to say only God was it used for is very weak point and absolutely error. Infact same word was used for a goddess in the bible. Acts 19:37 For ye have brought hither these men, which are neither robbers of churches, nor yet blasphemers of [i]your goddess.[/i] your goddess τὴν θεὸν same word tov theon. It is a weak explanation for you to use that. How you guys explain tov theon and ho theos as different still amuse me. It is an embarrassment to Greek lexicon. It is like saying HE and HIM is different in English. And that because you use HE then it cant be HIM. Tov is the same as ho used severally for Jesus, God and any other thing depending on context. Go and check your Greek text. They are same family as ὁ, ἡ, τό, the one you use will be dependent on grammar. You cant use Theon and expect a ὁ, ἡ or τό, its like using she for a boy in English. That is the simplest way i can put it. Tov is used as Accusative Singular Masculine ho is used as Nominative Singular Masculine When you have Theo(n) that is showing accusative noun and it will carry tov, it is not because he is talking about God almighty, it is a grammar thing. Examples (In English): He read a book. “He” is the subject in the nominative case. “read” is the action the subject is completing the direct object in the accusative case is “a book”. It is the object in the accusative case All nouns in Greek have accusative, nominative, dative, neutral etc. and unlike English where you can show that with HE and HIM, in Greek end of the spelling is what shows that. So Theo(n) and Theo(s) is the same, difference is one is in accusative (Theon) so the last n, the other is in nominative (Theos) so the last s. Hence, The word was with God. God here is in accusative hence you have theon, and accusative noun must carry tov, not because it is God almighty. Please do a study on Greek. This is not a prove or disprove of trinity, this is making sure we dont add error to translation. ho theos was used for God severally when in nominative. Please check your bible well. See below picture.
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Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:22pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69: Yes FIRSTBORN. kindly check all its usage in NT. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by hupernikao: 9:24pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Maximus69: Scripture and verse Sir? if you mean that relates to creating Jesus. |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Shelumiel: 9:27pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Janosky:Oga pack wella...and while you're packing get out of that secret cult of Charles Russell Tuze. Monkey liar |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 10:11pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
thankgod460:John 1:18 "no man has ever seen God at any time", do you understand that? Why does your opinion contradict John 1:18? God is a spirit or two spirits ? |
Re: Jesus Is God. See by Janosky: 10:20pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Shelumiel: Still no proof for your spurious claims.... Go & read all your posts, you have never brought any tangible evidence here.. Shame no dey catch you to dey LIE LIE... Make we see the results of your research on these topics: Desiderus Erasmus, Johanine comma and textus receptus.... If you get "liver" , bring the results of the research you did..... 1 Like |
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