gregyboy:



Guy stop quoting with this nonsense


I told you on how to defend your claims on benin ife relationship... Dont come hete to give me mytg and tell me you are defending your claims

The Portuguese had asked benin in 1500 the origin of thier dynatsy they didn't mention ife or oromiyan or if ife was a big part of benin history it would have been the first thing the Portuguese would have noticed even without the benin telkinf them


Am even beginning to believe both party are lieing fhat ekaladeran and oduduwa never existed i am currently doing my research

You should be doing yours instead of quoting erronous works feom people


Guy dont quote me with such works again it will never raise an inch from my eyebrow bring fact and not scrap

This is the problem with nigeria students they fear to do research and relearn am questioning the authenticity of this story from both angle you are loading me with more bs

Or shutup

Stop being emotional about it. Fact speak for itself. And it's an Oba rulling benin Kingdom till today..isn't that fact enough.

If you can't admit the Ogiso family history of Benin, Oba of Benin coronation speech and you ignore the Yoruba accounts on Benin then you cannot be helped

Mraphel:

Stop being emotional about it. Fact speak for itself. And it's an Oba rulling benin Kingdom till today..isn't that fact enough.

If you can't admit the Ogiso family history of Benin, Oba of Benin coronation speech and you ignore the Yoruba accounts on Benin then you cannot be helped

They are all political myth

Coined in the former western region

davidnazee:


The Akure ruler that was deposed and beheaded by Benin wasn’t an oba. He was a deji.. Yoruba was not using the title of oba at that time.

Benin also beheaded many Ewis and rulers in Yorubaland.

Was an Oba, his title is Deji of Akure

All the kings in all the Yoruba land are Obas their title is d difference.
Oba of Ife...(title Ooni)
Oba of Akure (Deji
Oba of Oyo (Alafin)
Oba of Benin (Omonoba)
Oba of lagos (Eleko)


Etc

OgboAto:


Because like your king & you, they also want to arrogate supremacy to themselves through Oranmiyan.

Tell me more on this shit please

Again why did first arguing in the favour of benin and ife myth

Mraphel:

Was an Oba, his title is Deji of Akure

All the kings in all the Yoruba land are Obas their title is d difference.
Oba of Ife...(title Ooni)
Oba of Akure (Deji
Oba of Oyo (Alafin)
Oba of Benin (Omonoba)
Oba of lagos (Eleko)


Etc

Lol, hahahahaha


He calls omonoba a title lol lol this yorubas ehnn

It is a setence not a title or name it is omonoba nedo ukwakolopolo (the son of the oba the giant one) this sentence was made recently to sing praise to the oba it started from oba Erediawa


Oba originally remains the benin title


Instead of you commenting follow the thread while we uncover the ife benin myth


Since you feel lazy to do your research and choose to speak on myth

gregyboy:



Am sorry i misread you i really am

Mhen politics is deep even in tradition

Nawa ooh see people who were arguing ife&benin connections a while ago are now telling the real story


A thread should be created to adress this political myth on nairaland abeg


Hmm nawa ooh

This was just for the tussle for chairmen of traditional rulers in the former western region, oba akenzua played politics on edo history

ghostwon

We need your contributions

In this sort of debate, just knowing your history is not enough, you also need to know and understand your opponent history and politics.

That is why I referred to Silversniper contribution as a breath of fresh air, he just didn't know Benin history alone but also Yoruba history and politics, that's why he was able to counter them from both ends.

From his submission, I learned that Alaafin told the British that they used to pay tributes to Benin, the Yorubas historian Johnson wrote that Ooni is from the descendants of shrine keeper, that Benin used to supply guns to Yoruba to kill themselves and Alaafin once beg oba of Benin for troops to help in Oyo war with it's other Yoruba tribes.

Now this guy I was responding to just disclosed that Oduduwa planned a coup to take over a position that was not his.

That the people that call themselves Oduduwa princes were actually his followers that were chased out of Ife after Oduduwa was murdered.

Oranmiyan came back to fight his Ife people with guns blazing.

Some Yoruba obas that are claiming Ife princes are fake.

All these information are very useful.

These are the sort of information the other Yoruba guys hide and be using the Benin supremacy arguments to unite themselves.

Meanwhile the Alaafin and Ife don't even agree on the origin of Oduduwa.

So, next time they tell you of how they are superior to you, you tell them to go and first sort out their history.

Always learn to expand your arguments, don't narrow it down to one particular aspect.

The reason, the Yorubas are one is because of Nigeria, if Nigeria should divide tomorrow, their wars will start all over again.

gregyboy:



Lol, hahahahaha


He calls omonoba a title lol lol this yorubas ehnn

It is a setence not a title or name it is omonoba nedo ukwakolopolo (the son of the oba the giant one) this sentence was made recently to sing praise to the oba it started from oba Erediawa


Oba originally remains the benin title


Instead of you commenting follow the thread while we uncover the ife benin myth


Since you feel lazy to do your research and choose to speak on myth

Oba Akenzua of Benin has the the same title as (Omo'noba) but you claimed started from Ereduwa right?

samuk:


In this sort of debate, just knowing your history is not enough, you also need to know and understand your opponent history and politics.

That is why I referred to Silversniper contribution as a breath of fresh air, he just didn't know Benin history alone but also Yoruba history and politics, that's why he was able to counter them from both ends.

From his submission, I learned that Alaafin told the British that they used to pay tributes to Benin, the Yorubas historian Johnson wrote that Ooni is from the descendants of shrine keeper, that Benin used to supply guns to Yoruba to kill themselves and Alaafin once beg oba of Benin for troops to help in Oyo war with it's other Yoruba tribes.

Now this guy I was responding to just disclosed that Oduduwa planned a coup to take over a position that was not his.

That the people that call themselves Oduduwa princes were actually his followers that were chased out of Ife after Oduduwa died.

Oranmiyan came back to fight his Ife people with guns blazing.

Some Yoruba obas that are claiming Ife princes are fake.

All these information are very useful.

These are the sort of information the other Yoruba guys hide and be using the Benin supremacy arguments to unite themselves.

Meanwhile the Alaafin and Ife don't even agree on the origin of Oduduwa.

So, next time they tell you of how they are superior to you, you tell them to go and first sort out their history.

Always learn to expand your arguments, don't narrow it down to one particular aspect.

The reason, the Yorubas are one is because of Nigeria, if Nigeria should divide tomorrow, their wars will start all over again.

Wait was there gun during oromiyan and oduduwa time


Politics have hidden our true history

The kparakpo war lives so many hidden secrets untold by benin and yorubas

The truth is the commoners will always leave in shadow

I need more info on this samuk

Mraphel:

Oba Akenzua of Benin has the the same title as (Omo'noba) but you claimed started from Ereduwa right?

I told its a sentence and i gave you the meaning of it, akenzua started that sentence

Ovaramwen was called nogbisi


So go fucking edit that stuff before you mislead other people

TAO11:


I know it does mean Supreme God --- and that's the point I'm making. That the Binis themselves (not the Yorubas) use this same word in reference to anyone who rules as king in Ife.

What can I do (than to accept) if Oba Erediauwa, Oba Eweka, and even historians all agree on this point?

(2) There is no such thing as Izoduwa. It doesn't exist. It's a myth. Ask your Benin folks on this same thread, they will update you.

You are still repeating this nonsense after your bobble has been busted.

Which Oduduwa was Oghene.

Please learn Yoruba history and politics from your superior below, then come back when you fully understand.

They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

samuk:


You are still repeating this nonsense after your bobble has been busted.

Which Oduduwa was Oghene.

Please learn Yoruba history and politics from your superior below, then come back when you fully understand.

They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

I hope soon we will put this ife and benin beef to rest

And i can get to lay the stinky pussy of TAO11 after this

gregyboy:



Wait was there gun during oromiyan and oduduwa time


Politics have hidden our true history

The kparakpo war lives so many hidden secrets untold by benin and yorubas

The truth is the commoners will always leave in shadow

I need more info on this samuk

There were no guns, it was for emphasis. The guy is showing how disgusted he was with Oranmiyan 's actions for invading Ife because Oduduwa was murdered.

gregyboy:



I hope soon we will put this ife and benin beef to rest

And i can get to lay the stinky pussy of TAO11 after this

Good luck on the laying aspect.

They are just using the Benins to unite themselves.

You can see the pain in that guys writeup.

There is so much anger and confusion within the Yoruba Obas.

We are even helping them by saying Benin/Ife relationship is fabrication.

The Oba of Benin that wrote Benin into Ife history played a fast political move on them.

As Benin lost it's empire, it has to capture the monarchy of a larger tribe just the way Rome lost it's empire but captured the Catholic church by becoming the headquarter.

You just have to understand the politics involved.

The Alaafin and Ooni can not reconcile their history of Oduduwa.

Ooni is the so called supreme head but it's the Alaafin that appoints chief for all Yoruba land like the title given to Gani Adams recently.

The Ooni and Alaafin will always fight themselves because their seats are appointed by politicians and they can be dethroned.

The only secured monarchy representing Oduduwa is Oba of Benin.

Those that really understand this are not happy.

Ooni and Alaafin that you see in all parties can hardly make the Yorubas monarchy sacred.

Erediawa already told the old Ooni that he is their royal father.

It was a very clever move by the Benin, let the idiots that doesn't understand the political calculations keep on arguing.

How weak do you think their Obas will be in the next fifty years. They are already very weak.

The Oba of Lagos don't even have any respect for the Ooni but calls oba of Benin his father.

When Erediawa went to visit the Ooni before the last one, the Ooni offered Erediawa his chair/throne and sat in another chair.

samuk:


Good luck on the laying aspect.

They are just using the Benins to unite themselves.

You can see the pain in that guys writeup.

There is so much anger and confusion within the Yoruba Obas.

We are even helping them by saying Benin/Ife relationship is fabrication.

The Oba of Benin that wrote Benin into Ife history played a fast political move on them.

You just have to understand the politics involved.

The Alaafin and Ooni can not reconcile their history of Oduduwa.

Ooni is the so called supreme head but it's the Alaafin that appoints chief for all Yoruba land like the title given to Gani Adams recently.

The Ooni and Alaafin will always fight themselves because their seats are appointed by politicians and they can be dethroned.

The only secured monarchy representing Oduduwa is Oba of Benin.

Those that really understand this are not happy.

Ooni and Alaafin that you see in all parties can hardly make the Yorubas monarchy sacred.

Erediawa already told the old Ooni that he is their royal father.

It was a very clever move by the Benin, let the idiots that doesn't understand the political calculations keep on arguing.

How weak do you think their Obas will be in the next fifty years. They are already very weak.

The Oba of Lagos don't even have any respect for the Ooni but calls oba of Benin his father.

When Erediawa went to visit the Ooni before the last one, the Ooni offered Erediawa his chair/throne and sat in another chair.

The benin should withdrawal themselves from this mess they kept themselves

We are out of western region the truth need to be told to us

When i read somethings online makes me want to reach in and give upper cut.

Edo are the most backward and confused ethnic group in Nigeria. You are confused. Honestly, utterly confused.

Who the fvk wrote that nonsense that Benin is from Nupe and Igalah? Abeg raise your hand if na you.

The only thing you Edo are good at is witchery and selling pussy. Thats it.

Benin from Nupe! Are you high or what?

BabaRamota1980:
When i read somethings online makes me want to reach in and give upper cut.

Edo are the most backward and confused ethnic group in Nigeria. You are confused. Honestly, utterly confused.

Who the fvk wrote that nonsense that Benin is from Nupe and Igalah? Abeg raise your hand if na you.

The only thing you Edo are good at is witchery and selling pussy. Thats it.

Benin from Nupe! Are you high or what?

Young man were do you think we are from yoruba

I hope you have been following the thread and you now know edo was mever part of Oduduwa but only jumped into the story for political reasons

I guess there was never ekaladeran
And there was never Oduduwa
Ghostwon had said thos earlier it came out to be the truth oba of benin had told the story of ekaladeran for his political aspirations
In the former western region

Ife all this was a myth

The title oba was always benin indigenous

The name beny was originally given by the Portuguese
The gods in benin some were borrowed and some original

gregyboy:


The benin should withdrawal themselves from this mess they kept themselves

We are out of western region the truth need to be told to us

Let me give you the political angle to the history and try to understand the politics involved.

Like religion, history could also be used as a political too to control the people.

If you understand the politics involved, the current fabrication may be difficult to change.

In the future the Oba of Benin will be the Oba of all Obas and he already has legitimacy because of the Ife/Oduduwa connections they are teaching everyone now.

The Yoruba Obas are too weak to compete with the Benin throne for superiority.

The Ooni and Alaafin are just paper weight Obas.

That's what Rome did with christianity by making Rome the headquarters of christendom and the Pope the most senior Christian on earth even though christianity didn't start in Rome.

Rome was a pagan nation with nothing to do with christianity, they even persecuted early Christians.

Though Benin have lost the empire but will retain the seniority amongst all Obas/monarchs in the southern/middle belt Nigeria.

Benin is already the spiritual headquarter for those various tribes tracing their roots back to Benin.

Tell me any monarch that is as debated as much as the Oba of Benin in Nigeria, not even the Sultan of Sokoto or Emir of Kano get that much mention.

Show me how many threads here on nairaland debating them.

You only hear about Ooni and Alaafin in debates because of Benin. If you take Benin out of their debates, it becomes boring.

But Benin history doesn't need anyone else to be interesting.

Only very few Yoruba are able to think at this level

That guy got the gist and the reason he is not happy.

The other Yoruba guys here are not very clever.

I hope you are following the history from the political angle.

It's all about power play.

So the Palace knows what they are doing by keep repeating the history the way they do.

The truth may be that the Oba of Benin, Ooni and Alaafin are not even related at all. That is the reason none of them agree on who the mythical Oduduwa is.

Oduduwa himself may not have existed at all.

But the Ife and Oyo made a very big mistake by presenting Oduduwa as a foreigner or spirit from the sky rather than actual human.

It's only when Benin put a human face to him by linking him to their banished prince Ekaladerhan, they realised their mistake.

But it's too late now for them to come back and tell us Oduduwa was born in Ife. They will have to burn almost all their history books and discredits all their historical sources and historians.

As it stands, the Benin version of Oduduwa is the most plausible.

The other versions are laughable because nobody will believe Oduduwa climbed down from the sky and no record of him being in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Hope you get the gist now.

You can relax and begin to pursue your girlfriend.

The first modern historian to mention some sort of connection between Benin and Nupe was Jacob Egharevba, the Obakhavbaye of Benin. He first mentions that there were some waves of migration from Nupe into Benin during Benin's prehistory or very earliest period in his work Bini Titles (1956), and later refers again to waves of migration from Nupe (among other places) into early Benin in the 4th edition (1968) of his book A Short History of Benin, whereas he does not mention these supposed waves of Nupe migrations in earlier editions of that book or in his earliest works in general. Of course it is well known to historians by now that there were multiple changes - some minor and unimportant, some significant - in his accounts of Benin history over time. I am not sure what he based this idea on, but since Egharevba's first mention of waves of migration from Nupe into Benin during its earliest period, when the Benin area was first being settled, is from nearly a decade before Ryder published his article "A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship" (1965) - an article in which Ryder proposes the idea of there being some kind of deeper connection between Benin and the Nupe-Igala area than previously supposed - it is clear that Egharevba's notion about some sort of connection with Nupe does not derive from Ryder's theory or research.

samuk:


Let me give you the political angle to the history and try to understand the politics involved.

Like religion, history could also be used as a political too to control the people.

If you understand the politics involved, the current fabrication may be difficult to change.

In the future the Oba of Benin will be the Oba of all Obas and he already has legitimacy because of the Ife/Oduduwa connections they are teaching everyone now.

The Yoruba Obas are too weak to compete with the Benin throne for superiority.

The Ooni and Alaafin are just paper weight Obas.

That's what Rome did with christianity by making Rome the headquarters of christendom and the Pope the most senior Christian on earth even though christianity didn't start in Rome.

Rome was a pagan nation with nothing to do with christianity, they even persecuted early Christians.

Though Benin have lost the empire but will retain the seniority amongst all Obas/monarchs in the southern/middle belt Nigeria.

Benin is already the spiritual headquarter for those various tribes tracing their roots back to Benin.

Tell me any monarch that is as debated as much as the Oba of Benin in Nigeria, not even the Sultan of Sokoto or Emir of Kano get that much mention.

Show me how many threads here on nairaland debating them.

You only hear about Ooni and Alaafin in debates because of Benin. If you take Benin out of their debates, it becomes boring.

But Benin history doesn't need anyone else to be interesting.

Only very few Yoruba are able to think at this level

That guy got the gist and the reason he is not happy.

The other Yoruba guys here are not very clever.

I hope you are following the history from the political angle.

It's all about power play.

So the Palace knows what they are doing by keep repeating the history the way they do.

The truth may be that the Oba of Benin, Ooni and Alaafin are not even related at all. That is the reason none of them agree on who the mythical Oduduwa is.

Oduduwa himself may not have existed at all.

But the Ife and Oyo made a very big mistake by presenting Oduduwa as a foreigner or spirit from the sky rather than actual human.

It's only when Benin put a human face to him by linking him to their banished prince Ekaladerhan, they realised their mistake.

But it's too late now for them to come back and tell us Oduduwa was born in Ife. They will have to burn almost all their history books and discredits all their historical sources and historians.

As it stands, the Benin version of Oduduwa is the most plausible.

The other versions are laughable because nobody will believe Oduduwa climbed down from the sky and no record of him being in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Hope you get the gist now.

You can relax and begin to pursue your girlfriend.

She won't be able to swallow the fact that the ife and benin beef was a myth she wont let go never she will keep sitting egharevba tales and keep getting wet on it


I think benin is not winning this one not when nigeria is still together the yorubas will always back the ooni of ife against the Oduduwa myth
Benin happend to be the newset stranger among the myth

Benin side of ife story was a clap down, it was the best but trabalism from the yorubas prevailed over it

Lets just tell the real stories behind all this shit
So there will be no need for the upcomings arguing on some made up shit

gregyboy:




She won't be able to swallow the fact that the ife and benin beef was a myth she wont let go never she will keep sitting egharevba tales and keep getting wet on it


I think benin is not winning this one not when nigeria is still together the yorubas will always back the ooni of ife against the Oduduwa myth
Benin happend to be the newset stranger among the myth

Benin side of ife story was a clap down, it was the best but trabalism from the yorubas prevailed over it

Lets just tell the real stories behind all this shit
So there will be no need for the upcomings arguing on some made up shit

Most people propagating this stories know the truth.

Did you read Silversniper post above, even Egharevba knew about the Nupe/Igala/Benin relationship but it was suppressed/not mentioned in the earlier edition of his book.

The Palace benefits from the Benin/Ife narrative because it put them in a very good position anyway you look at it.

There is nothing new research is going to find today that the palace is not already aware of.

Don't forget that Egharevba was also a palace chief.

samuk:


Most people propagating this stories know the truth.

Did you read Silversniper post above, even Egharevba knew about the Nupe/Igala/Benin relationship but it was suppressed/not mentioned in the earlier edition of his book.

The Palace benefits from the Benin/Ife narrative because it put them in a very good position anyway you look at it.

There is nothing new research is going to find today that the palace is not already aware of.

Don't forget that Egharevba was also a palace chief.

Hmm the common man is fed with scrap of the elite if only we can remove this ife-benin relationship aside we can really find our true history as benin

I got to find out that even

The ekaladeran and ogiso story was a myth in ancient benin told to explain the emerge of the benin monarchy

The ogiso and ekaladeran stories are myth in benin to explain the benin history

The benin should do proper research on the benin migration from the Niger river

The benue people also eat pounde yam as thier delicacy more research should be done on this area i believe thats were the Oghene came from
The artwork that had the tribal mark was probably from around the niger area

gregyboy:



Hmm the common man is fed with scrap of the elite if only we can remove this ife-benin relationship aside we can really find our true history as benin

I got to find out that even

The ekaladeran and ogiso story was a myth in ancient benin told to explain the emerge of the benin monarchy

The ogiso and ekaladeran stories are myth in benin to explain the benin history

The benin should do proper research on the benin migration from the Niger river

The benue people also eat pounde yam as thier delicacy more research should be done on this area i believe thats were the Oghene came from
The artwork that had the tribal mark was probably from around the niger area

Now you know, but the palace doesn't want to hear about it.

samuk:


Now you know, but the palace doesn't want to hear about it.

This thread has gone silent


Were is TAO11 i bet should will never forgive herself the truth came out i just so pity her now who will she argue all this myth of a research she has done,

I always told her not just to post links or references but she should analyze the info on the references before pasting it here, but she wouldn't listen

gregyboy:



This thread has gone silent


Were is TAO11 i bet should will never forgive herself the truth came out i just so pity her now who will she argue all this myth of a research she has done,

I always told her not just to post links or references but she should analyze the info on the references before pasting it here, but she wouldn't listen

I noticed the same too, they have all run away.

They probably realised the politics surrounding the myths and that the arguments and evidences are no longer in their favour.

They can now see the myths for themselves.

They have to first determine if Oduduwa was real or myth, then answer the question of his origin before even attempting the Benin/Ife history.

Without Oduduwa, there is no Benin/Ife relationship.

Too much evidence to show that Benin/Ife connection is a lie.

Ooni and Alaafin have their own versions of Oduduwa. The Benin have their own version too.

Nobody can agree on who is right.

These are all too much for them to process.

This is the result you get when you expand the arguments.

Don't allow them to box you into the corner of Benin/Yoruba superiority.

Whilst they are shouting superiority, you will be examining the evidences and pointing out the errors.

I told you they are not very smart and clever.

samuk:


I noticed the same too, they have all run away.

They probably realised the politics surrounding the myths and that the arguments and evidences are no longer in their favour.

They can now see the myths for themselves.

They have to first determine if Oduduwa was real or myth, then answer the question of his origin before even attempting the Benin/Ife history.

Without Oduduwa, there is no Benin/Ife relationship.

Too much evidence to show that Benin/Ife connection is a lie.

Ooni and Alaafin have their own versions of Oduduwa. The Benin have their own version too.

Nobody can agree on who is right.

These are all too much for them to process.

This is the result you get when you expand the arguments.

Don't allow them to box you into the corner of Benin/Yoruba superiority.

Whilst they are shouting superiority, you will be examining the evidences and pointing out the errors.

I told you they are not very smart and clever.

True talk bro.
Long live the Edo nation/people.

davidnazee:

True talk bro. Long live the Edo nation/people.

Edo nation?
Name Edo nations?

MelesZenawi:


Edo nation?

Name Edo nations?

What do you want to know?

davidnazee:

What do you want to know?

Everything particularly the make up of Edo nation/people

samuk:


Can you read what you have written?

Your sources agreed with the part that suits he and discount the part that he didn't like.

Sounds like a typical Yoruba influenced revisionist.

No, the accounts that are not supported by widespread independent evidences are discounted by every sane people.

It's not about who records an account, but about what the merit/demerit of each account at every point in time.



Your nemesis is back from ban.

samuk:


They couldn't call him by the Yoruba word for God.

If they were able to pronounce Oranmiyan and Oranmila why not call him by the Yoruba name for God.

No evidence to show the word Oghene is a Yoruba word.

Ife did not speak Edo language or did they?

Only Yoruba bias sources will ascribe Oghene to Ooni or Ife. The same way your sources have be claiming Benin artworks that describe other tribes.

Sources claiming Benin artwork

You're high again on kerosene!! Did you by any chance visit Abia state??

samuk:


You are still repeating this nonsense after your bobble has been busted.

Which Oduduwa was Oghene.

Please learn Yoruba history and politics from your superior below, then come back when you fully understand.




They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

Not only Oduduwa who was regarded by Oghene by the Edos.

Everyone who ruled as king in Ife was regarded by the Edo as Oghene.

Evidence?? See below again!! From Omo N'Oba Eweka II, from Omo N'Oba Erediauwa I, From Horton et al.


(a) In his "May 2004 The Benin-Ife Comnection", Omo N'Oba Erediauwa II noted emphatically that Oduduwa (who was the Ooni of Ife during his days) was known by the Benin people as Oghene n'Uhe.

Refer to the link below for "Oghene n'Uhe" in Oba Erediauwa II's May 2004 work: https://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

(b) Citing different instances of Ife's political influence as exercised through the Ifa cult, Robin Horton alludes to a Benin tradition in his 1979 "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment" as follows:

"Yet another tradition, this time from Benin, tells how the oracle of the Oghene of Uhe ("Oni of Ife" ) forewarned the Oba of Benin of impending calamity a few years before the disastrous encounter with the British."

Reference:
Robin Horton, "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol 9. No. 4 (June 1979), p.124.





Regarding OgboAto's comment, it's a pity that your thinking is too base-level and skull too thick to see that he simply agreed with me that you Edos and your Oba Erediauwa I are not very smart people who couldn't see that Oduduwa was a full-blooded Ife-Yoruba man.

I think I need to call on him, OgboAto, to drill your skull further deeper.