gregyboy:


That reminds me

Oghene means god in estako

Oghene means god in urohobo


Oghene, ohen means priest in benin a very high priest

Gregyboy,

I submitted before that the Oghene would have been situated in the region of old Benin empire that call their God Oghene.

There is a Benin researcher that traces Uhe to the area of etsako in the mountainous area of Edo north.

samuk:


Do you mind this clown. Well, some of us are here to entertain ourselves.

If the Benin had told the Portuguese about any Oghene, that Oghene would have been situated amongst the Edoid people that use that name for their God.

Benin would have referred to Ooni by his correct Yoruba name and title because they refer to other Yoruba gods and Oracle such as Oranmila by their Yoruba names.

They didn't invent Edo words or names for these Yoruba gods and Oracles.

They yoruba people are trying to replace owo connections with ife so as to have a form of supiority over edo

Benin had connections with various yorubas such as, ekiti, ondo and even oyo

Benin had connections with oyo on several bases
While protecting its territory against oyo expansion into ondo which was settled through war and benin always came out victorious

Thier aim is if they can hold on to the myth benin - ife connection then every benin glory wilk be indirectly accorded to them sine they believe Oduduwa established benin monarchy


I have told a yoruba guy on this thread to prove benin ife connection he has since ran away unable to prove it

gregyboy:


That reminds me

Oghene means god in estako

Oghene means god in urohobo


Oghene, ohen means priest in benin a very high priest

Gregyboy,

I submitted before that the Oghene would have been situated in the region of old Benin empire that call their God Oghene.

There is a Benin researcher that traces Uhe to the area of etsako in the mountainous area of Edo north.

The Benin call Lagos eko, every Yoruba adopted that name for Lagos.

If Benin had called Ife or Ooni, Oghene, the Yorubas would have known about it not waiting for later day revisionist to link Oghene to Ife.

No modern day historian told us that the Yorubas call us Ado, we heard the name directly from them for centuries.

No latter day historian told us the Igbos call us Idu, we heard it directly from them for centuries.

samuk:


Gregyboy,

I submitted before that the Oghene would have been situated in the region of old Benin empire that call their God Oghene.

There is a Benin researcher that traces Uhe to the area of etsako in the mountainous area of Edo north.

The Portuguese used thier form of interpretation on distance to give d locations which has bedn transcribed to modern locations and it centres around nupe, igala we cant trace them again because islam had destroyed thier culture

gregyboy:



The Portuguese used thier form of interpretation on distance to give d locations which has bedn transcribed to modern locations and it centres around nupe, igala we cant trace them again because islam had destroyed thier culture

That was also the area the Benin researcher and author traced and linked to Uhe.

Just also leant from Silversniper's submission that there was another war recorded in that area against the people that were called I think Salgo.

Benin did alot in that area in it's earlier history that's worth exploring.

Ask yourself, why will a Benin chief instigate the Attah of Igala against Oba Esigie to cause the Ida war, if there were not some sort of relationship and connection Between Benin and the people of Igala at that time.

It's the middle belt part of Benin history, the Yorubas are trying to replace with Ife.

gregyboy:



They yoruba people are trying to replace owo connections with ife so as to have a form of supiority over edo

Benin had connections with various yorubas such as, ekiti, ondo and even oyo

Benin had connections with oyo on several bases
While protecting its territory against oyo expansion into ondo which was settled through war and benin always came out victorious

Thier aim is if they can hold on to the myth benin - ife connection then every benin glory wilk be indirectly accorded to them sine they believe Oduduwa established benin monarchy


I have told a yoruba guy on this thread to prove benin ife connection he has since ran away unable to prove it

Have seen this extract from Ryder also pointed to the North rather than Ife.

A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship1
A. F. C. Ryder
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0021853700005314
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 22 January 2009
Extract
The traditions now current among the Edo of Nigeria trace the origin of the Benin dynasty and the associated cire-perdue technique of brass-casting to Ife. Some of the information recorded by European visitors to Benin since the fifteenth century is not easily reconcilable with this tradition. [/b]Material evidence, especially that contained in the Benin bronzes, and the results of archaeological investigation have also raised difficulties. It is suggested that many conflicts in the evidence could be resolved by adopting a hypothesis which would ascribe a more northerly origin to the dynasty. [b]The Nupe-Igala area straddling the confluence of the Niger and Benue emerges as the key area in such a reconstruction of Benin dynastic affiliations. The Yoruba States would seem to be related to the same general complex, but the chronology and direction of dynastic movements still remain obscure, and the seemingly fixed points of reference become far less certain when placed in context.

samuk:


Have seen this extract from Ryder also pointed to the North rather than Ife.

A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship1
A. F. C. Ryder
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0021853700005314
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 22 January 2009
Extract
The traditions now current among the Edo of Nigeria trace the origin of the Benin dynasty and the associated cire-perdue technique of brass-casting to Ife. Some of the information recorded by European visitors to Benin since the fifteenth century is not easily reconcilable with this tradition. [/b]Material evidence, especially that contained in the Benin bronzes, and the results of archaeological investigation have also raised difficulties. It is suggested that many conflicts in the evidence could be resolved by adopting a hypothesis which would ascribe a more northerly origin to the dynasty. [b]The Nupe-Igala area straddling the confluence of the Niger and Benue emerges as the key area in such a reconstruction of Benin dynastic affiliations. The Yoruba States would seem to be related to the same general complex, but the chronology and direction of dynastic movements still remain obscure, and the seemingly fixed points of reference become far less certain when placed in context.

More research to our elbow....

If we can prove were oghene comes from we can prove how benin originated from

Egharevba never got all this materials available to him, he wouldn't have bother himself compromising benin history

MetaPhysical:


Are you aware that Dapper was held as the authority on Benin history for a very long time?

Any writer on Benin who did not reference Dapper was not considered credible.

Does Dapper, the authority on Benin know where Benin is?

Dapper derived his information on Benin mostly from a Dutchman named Samuel Blomaart (or Blomert) and also from another Dutchman, Michiel Evertsen, both of whom actually went to Benin. But even if one decides to ignore Dapper, Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer's account of Benin from decades before the publication of Dapper's book (Andreas Ulsheimer, or Ultzheimer, visited Benin directly; he described some aspects of Benin at the end of the 16th century, and his account was published a few years later in 1602) describes the king of Benin as a "powerful king" who "conducts war all the time". Once again, this perspective is basically in accordance with everything else from everyone else. I don't see why this is really in doubt or controversial. Dapper's book isn't the first to portray Benin as powerful, there's nothing unique about Dapper's portrayal of Benin as powerful, and his account basically lines up with both earlier and later independent sources, so that aspect of his account of Benin isn't really seen as controversial or exceptional by academics.

Sarah20A:
I agree with that it was the Portuguese who corrupted the name to Benin due to the difficulty in pronouncing ubinu, I Also agree with that the Benin don't introduce themselves as Benin because that word Benin is used to identify them foreigners.
I don't think the Benins have relationship with the yorubas except from the story of Izoduwa who the yorubas know as oduduwa.
Please be sure of your source of information during your research and you can also go to usen in edo state for more information if I may suggest. please keep us updated.

Benin doesn't have relationship with Oduduwa, they had relationships with the great grandson of Oduduwa that's Oranmiyan that later became the first Oba of Benin..not Ogiso of igodomigodo now.

gregyboy:



More research to our elbow....

If we can prove were oghene comes from we can prove how benin originated from

Egharevba never got all this materials available to him, he wouldn't have bother himself compromising benin history

Looks like your girlfriend has thrown in the towel and run away.

samuk:


Looks like your girlfriend has thrown in the towel and run away.

I swaer she too lie and her pussy stinks i told her to go watch it with agbo and hotwater

LegendHero:


You are a Legend. You should be conferred with the title of "Amoye Agbaye".

The government should compile all your comment on this thread and make it a curriculum for the students (Primary - tertiary) in Benin land so that they can understand their history and be forever grateful to their Yoruba master.

gregyboy:



It seems you have agreed oghene is ife

No.. I can’t agree to such myths.
My point is if Ife was so great at that time why was it only known as a certain place according to the submission by these dumb Yoruba revisionists.

gomojam:

And this how it started from ijebu to benin

Ijebu finally sorcorn to the nonsense


Thanks to oba akenzua who pulled us out of western region awolowo a full that he was wanted all means to have us there

Thank god he died out of rat poison

I wished a benin man or an igbo man killed him

gregyboy:



And this how it started from ijebu to benin

Ijebu finally sorcorn to the nonsense


Thanks to oba akenzua who pulled us out of western region awolowo a full that he was wanted all means to have us there

Thank god he died out of rat poison

I wished a benin man or an igbo man killed him

Emotional emotional emotional

Gregy take it easy lest you burst a vein

Mraphel:

Benin doesn't have relationship with Oduduwa, they had relationships with the great grandson of Oduduwa that's Oranmiyan that later became the first Oba of Benin..not Ogiso of igodomigodo now.

Benin don't have connections with Oduduwa but oromiyan how possible

Oga stop misleading people stop it there was never connection with you guys

It was benin and other yorubas and not fucking ife

You guys are adding benin to ife story to steal oue glory and to glorify yours it only succeeded while we were in former western region

You should get it we have left western region long time ago that myth doesnt hold sway anymore

Every yoruba is connected to Oduduwa not benin

Samuk
Davidnazee

TAO11:


Historical evidence (which he admits) exist in that case to corroborate what not only Johnson but also Crowther had documented.

Historical evidence shows that Oyo gained military and political ascendancy over other kingdoms including Benin kingdom. And he accept that.


So? Johnson and Crowther independently recording account of tribute from Benin to Oyo is therefore corroborated by such widely attested fact.


In the case of the Ooni, it's the other way around.

Overwhelming account all over Yorubaland refute such few one-off traditions.


And it is not just me who see this clearly like this, experts too do, Professor R. C.C. Law

You need to bring your brain to discussions like this and stop comparing chalk and cheese.

You are still continuing with this your self deceit lol. Which historical evidence points to Oyo gaining military might over Benin? Only oral accounts said it but even the oral accounts never narrates about any confrontation between Oyo or Benin or describe any scenario where Benin paid tributes to Oyo.
On the other hand there are multiple oral accounts supported by historical evidence that Benin conquered and ruled over Yoruba for hundreds of years.
Details are given of how Benin conquered Yoruba Kingdoms and villages..

You should promote the present achievement of the Yorubas. If you keep engaging yourself in history that never favoured you, you will always be a loser.

samuk:


Insults will not save you now, you can't retort to insults after losing the debate.

I said it before that there were more to the Benin/Yoruba history that you guys would like to propagate.

Silversniper is way out of your league. Unless you can show me where he came down to your gutter level in spite of your provocative languages and insults.

I am ordering Johnson books on history of Yoruba.

1. Ooni was nothing but a descendant of shrine keeper

2. The so much talked about Yoruba Kiriji war got
the name from the almighty sounds of Benin guns

3 . Alaafin once begged the Oba of Benin to come save him from other Yoruba tribes

4. Alaafin once paid tributes to Benin.

How interesting.

Actually Benin soldiers fought alongside with the Yorubas during the Kiriji wars. Benin was protecting its interests in Eastern Yoruba and supplied the Ekiti parapo with weapons, logistics and soldiers.

Mraphel:

Benin doesn't have relationship with Oduduwa, they had relationships with the great grandson of Oduduwa that's Oranmiyan that later became the first Oba of Benin..not Ogiso of igodomigodo now.

it was the grandson not great grandson.

gregyboy:



Benin don't have connections with Oduduwa but oromiyan how possible

Oga stop misleading people stop it there was never connection with you guys

It was benin and other yorubas and not fucking ife

You guys are adding benin to ife story to steal oue glory and to glorify yours it only succeeded while we were in former western region

You should get it we have left western region long time ago that myth doesnt hold sway anymore

Every yoruba is connected to Oduduwa not benin

Samuk
Davidnazee

Oba Oranmiyan(Yoruba) stole your glory from the hands of Ogiso. He's son Oba Eweka still Yoruba are the real binis.

Ogiso kings were bannished by Oba Oranmiyan in his surjorn in Benin. He replaced it with Oba a yoruba kingship title.


Oduduwa never came from Ife to be king in Igodomigodo...Oranmiyan did, and he was the first Oba.
All other Obas are Omonoba translated to son of the Obas.

Mraphel:

Oba Oranmiyan(Yoruba) stole your glory from the hands of Ogiso. He's son Oba Eweka still Yoruba are the real binis.

Ogiso kings were bannished by Oba Oranmiyan in his surjorn in Benin. He replaced it with Oba a yoruba kingship title.


Oduduwa never came from Ife to be king in Igodomigodo...Oranmiyan did, and he was the first Oba.
All other Obas are Omonoba translated to son of the Obas.

Oga shut up


This is a nice movie script

davidnazee:


You are still continuing with this your self deceit lol. Which historical evidence points to Oyo gaining military might over Benin? Only oral accounts said it but even the oral accounts never narrates about any confrontation between Oyo or Benin or describe any scenario where Benin paid tributes to Oyo.
On the other hand there are multiple oral accounts supported by historical evidence that Benin conquered and ruled over Yoruba for hundreds of years.
Details are given of how Benin conquered Yoruba Kingdoms and villages..

You should promote the present achievement of the Yorubas. If you keep engaging yourself in history that never favoured you, you will always be a loser.

Let us know the Yoruba kingdom and villages sir.
Likewise Yoruba conquered Benin, Ibilo amongst others.

gregyboy:



Oga shut up


This is a nice movie script

I guess you're still igodomigodo? The ogiso descendants are there in Benin alive and well, go meet with them for the real historical accounts of Benin

Mraphel:

Oba Oranmiyan(Yoruba) stole your glory from the hands of Ogiso. He's son Oba Eweka still Yoruba are the real binis.

Ogiso kings were bannished by Oba Oranmiyan in his surjorn in Benin. He replaced it with Oba a yoruba kingship title.


Oduduwa never came from Ife to be king in Igodomigodo...Oranmiyan did, and he was the first Oba.
All other Obas are Omonoba translated to son of the Obas.

Please keep quiet. Oranmiyan never set foot in Benin proper. He couldn’t defeat the people to enter Benin. He could only reach the outskirts of Benin and there he stayed till he left.

Sarah20A:
it was the grandson not great grandson.

Grandson and Great grandson means the same thing in Yoruba language

But the grandson of Oduduwa was Obalufon (Past Oni of Ife)

It was Obalufon that sent his son Oranmiyan to conquered Igodomigodo to be their king.

Mraphel:

Let us know the Yoruba kingdom and villages sir.
Likewise Yoruba conquered Benin, Ibilo amongst others.

I don’t have to start teaching you what is common knowledge.
It is well known fact that Benin Kingdom subjugated almost all of Yorubaland.

Even your Alafin have been documented as saying that his predecessors and other Yoruba Kingdoms were paying tribute to the powerful Oba of Benin.

davidnazee:


I don’t have to start teaching you what is common knowledge.
It is well known fact that Benin Kingdom subjugated almost all of Yorubaland.

Even your Alafin have been documented as saying that his predecessors and other Yoruba Kingdoms were paying tribute to the powerful Oba of Benin.

Benin can never conquer Ife kingdom or Oyo kingdom, they only installed king in Yoruba region that doesn't have Kings.

Oba is never igodomigodo title it is a Yoruba title..Ogimien ( Ogiso family will tell u that)

gregyboy:



And this how it started from ijebu to benin

Ijebu finally sorcorn to the nonsense


Thanks to oba akenzua who pulled us out of western region awolowo a full that he was wanted all means to have us there

Thank god he died out of rat poison

I wished a benin man or an igbo man killed him

You are right, the Awujale of Ijebu is a reluctant participant in their current Yoruba experiment.

Every now and then, you keep hearing the Awujale making statements not in tandem with one Yoruba project.

It's either you hear him referred to the Ooni as a descendant of a shrine keeper or you hear him referring to Yoruba as a brand name to unite people of different tribes who didn't share one common heritage.

I wonder where their story of queen of sheba fits into their common Oduduwa heritage history.

davidnazee:


Please keep quiet. Oranmiyan never set foot in Benin proper. He couldn’t defeat the people to enter Benin. He could only reach the outskirts of Benin and there he stayed till he left.

Is palace was at Uselu. Wait o!! You mean Uselu outskirts of Benin? You're funny. But his Omonoba descendants now have the full access

Mraphel:

Is palace was at Uselu. Wait o!! You mean Uselu outskirts of Benin? You're funny. But his Omonoba descendants now have the full access

Whose palace was at Uselu? Do u even know what you are talking about?
Why don’t u read before you come on here to argue rubbish.

samuk:


You are right, the Awujale of Ijebu is a reluctant participant in their current Yoruba experiment.

Every now and then, you keep hearing the Awujale making statements not in tandem with one Yoruba project.

It's either you hear him referred to the Ooni as a descendant of a shrine keeper or you hear him referring to Yoruba as a brand name to unite people of different tribes who didn't share one common heritage.

I wonder where their story of queen of sheba fits into their common Oduduwa heritage history.

It was the same Yoruba that said Queen of Sheba was buried in Ijebu and that Ijebu is the real Jerusalem called Jebu Isalem.
I no fit laught.

davidnazee:


Whose palace was at Uselu? Do u even know what you are talking about?
Why don’t u read before you come on here to argue rubbish.

Where was Oranmiyan palace in Benin? Since u know better than i