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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 8:08pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:


Oduduwa is from Ife. Yoruba. Strong cheesy grin cheesy Suicide loading in Benin Kingdom tonight .....................

No I didn't say Benin is great. I simply said it was grounded into a mere village. And I cited scholars, Ben-Amos and Thornton.


Do you want to read what they said in details. Did you stop getting scared of reading

Oyo was rendered desolate and in ruins, Ife was non existent only in legends, so if u say Benin turned into a village (not true btw) there’s nothing new there.. all Kingdoms decline

As for Oduduwa, he is not Yoruba, no Yoruba blood in him.. He is a foreigner from Mecca.. type oduduwa in google and that’s the only result u will get. He is a foreigner if u like enter deep sleep, when u wake up he will still be a foreigner from Mecca.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 8:11pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:


Guess what he is not foolish, and I was the first to like and share his comment before I got banned. grin grin grin grin


You confirmed again that you're scared of reading.

He simply agreed with me that the Benin girl I was replying to was foolish. He also agreed that the former Oba Of Benin was foolish.

He then agreed with me that: Oduduwa is a Ife-Yoruba man. grin grin grin


Go back and read the comments again, but this time take your brain along with you.


So if he agreed with you that oduduwa is Yoruba from Ife, do u agree with him that oduduwa was a coup plotter who was murdered and his followers banished and Oranmiyan came back with guns blazing? Lol una no well sha
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 8:19pm On Apr 11, 2020
davidnazee:


So if he agreed with you that oduduwa is Yoruba from Ife, do u agree with him that oduduwa was a coup plotter who was murdered and his followers banished?

Oh now you'e gradually seeing that you are a foolish Benin liar like have been saying. Thank God. grin grin grin grin


No where did OgboAto say Oduduwa plotted a single coup. Again Benin liar is on the loose. grin grin grin grin
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 8:24pm On Apr 11, 2020
davidnazee:


Oyo was rendered desolate and in ruins, Ife was non existent only in legends, so if u say Benin turned into a village (not true btw) there’s nothing new there.. all Kingdoms decline

As for Oduduwa, he is not Yoruba, no Yoruba blood in him.. He is a foreigner from Mecca.. type oduduwa in google and that’s the only result u will get. He is a foreigner if u like enter deep sleep, when u wake up he will still be a foreigner from Mecca.

You are a liar. The historians didn't say Ife or Oyo. They said Benin. See below

"Towards the end of the seventeenth century, ... the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civil war. ..., Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'."

Reference:
Paula-Ben Amos Girshick and John Thornton: "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689 -172: Continuity or Political Change", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), p.353.



And for Oduduwa, we learn Yoruba History from History books not popular Google result.

The mythical "Izoduwa", for example, is portrayed as a real human being on wikipedia, but guess what historians say. They say no human of such ever existed. grin grin grin grin


Oduduwa is an Ife-Yoruba man. You thick skull. grin grin
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 8:30pm On Apr 11, 2020
Davidnazee boy,
waiting for you to say something.



grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 8:30pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:


You are a liar. The historians didn't say Ife or Oyo. They said Benin. See below

"Towards the end of the seventeenth century, ... the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civil war. ..., Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'."

Reference:
Paula-Ben Amos Girshick and John Thornton: "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689 -172: Continuity or Political Change", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), p.353.



And for Oduduwa, we learn Yoruba History from History books not popular Google result.

The mythical "Izoduwa", for example, is portrayed as a real human being on wikipedia, but guess what historians say. They say no human of such ever existed. grin grin grin grin

You are a fool oo. U post only what historians said about Benin but ignored what they said about Oyo and Ife. Oyo was in ruins and Ife non existent.

Yoruba history and historians say Oduduwa was a foreigner also known as Larmoudu from Mecca.
Well u are a revisionist so u can also debunk and argue Yoruba history too.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 8:39pm On Apr 11, 2020
davidnazee:


You are a fool oo. U post only what historians said about Benin but ignored what they said about Oyo and Ife. Oyo was in ruins and Ife non existent.

Yoruba history and historians say Oduduwa was a foreigner also known as Larmoudu from Mecca.
Well u are a revisionist so u can also debunk and argue Yoruba history too.


Oh now you agree that Benin was reduced to a MERE VILLAGE. grin grin grin grin This is so satisfying. cheesy cheesy cheesy

That was at a time when Oyo Empire was at its height. grin grin grin grin grin

You should post what negatives historians said about Ife and Oyo and stop repeating lies in the hope that folks will accept you without evidence.

I noticed you started abandoning all your lies one after the other. grin grin grin grin

Did you say "Oduduwa is also known as Larmoudu from Mecca". grin grin grin grin grin grin Oh my ... I swear the last time I had such a good laugh was when I last saw a clown show. You're an evident dvmmie. It can't even be hidden. cheesy cheesy


ALL Yoruba Historians since the 1900s are all agreed that that Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife. Hang yourself if you want to. grin grin grin grin



Well, I promise to get to the end of drilling your thick skull. It must be ascertained if you got brain in there or saw dust. grin grin grin grin


Davidnazee right now: see below

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by SilverSniper: 8:47pm On Apr 11, 2020
The article by Ben-Amos and Thornton (a very good article, read it many years ago and it was one of the works I was alluding to in my first mention of a civil war), is only saying that the capital (Benin City), except the palace itself, was temporarily ruined by the civil war, going by van Nyendael's account. In fact there were still active armies on both sides (the royal army and the rebel army), even after the royal army's temporary defeat by the rebel army, and there was not some evidence of Benin as a "state" somehow being reduced to a "village", unless one deliberately misreads the text. Indeed, the authors of the article observe that van Nyendael mentioned that the Benin state's "bureaucracy" was functioning intact (even despite the impact of the war on the kingdom's capital). The king of Benin eventually defeated the rebels by the 1720s with the help of the Ezomo of Benin (a military commander from the Esan/Ishan area) as the main commander of the royal army, in return for which the Ezomo's status and privileges within the kingdom were elevated. The article by Ben-Amos and Thornton ends by stating that Benin's economy was thriving again by the mid-1700s as attested by a visitor, and that Benin City was once again a large city at least by the time that it was described as such by later European visitors to Benin City in the late 1700s.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 8:53pm On Apr 11, 2020
samuk:


You may be right, that's why we are now re-examining the whole story because it doesn't sound right and doesn't add up.

Unlike some Yoruba people here, we are ready to research and find the truth no matter where it leads.

The current history of Benin/Ife and Yoruba smells of politics and supremacy tussles.

That to us is not history. People deserve to know their history rather than fabrications and playing politics with it.

I smell conspiracy between Benin and Oyo monarchy against Ife.

All they need to say is Ooni is a descendant of a shrine keeper as recorded by the great Yoruba historian Johnson.

Oba of Benin becomes the most acknowledged senior son of Oranmiyan and Alaafin his junior brother. Or Ooni and Alaafin continue to fight themselves whilst Benin stays senior.

The way it stands, Oyo, Ife and Benin don't agree on who Oduduwa was. They all have their own versions which makes the own history ridiculous.

Some say Oduduwa is

1. Benin banished prince
2. He was from Mecca
3. Climbed down from sky with chains
4. Son of Ham that was driven out of Saudi Arabia

We can all come together to find the truth rather than see it as fight between Benin and Yoruba.

We believe the Benin/Ife connection as it currently stands is a fabrication.


Johnson was at no time a historian, he was a doctor who reduced Oyo history for Yoruba & his contemporary events to writing. The latter part containing data on the Ekitiparapo wars & the establishment of colonial government are regarded among the academic historians as solid.

Having said that, the only reason the early history of Ife [not necessarily the whole of Yoruba] appears not to add up is because the Oyo who had some of the early writers and close contacts with the European skewed history to give their throne a background for the fraudulent position they ascribed to it & have continued to struggle to sustain by citing archival documents about salary scale and signatures with the Europeans - former was based solely on population & the latter was based on Samuel Johnson factor as he acted as the Alaafin's interpreter/writer among other factors.

This misfired and baseless history was what Bini king attempted to provide an alternative for. There really is no problem to be resolved, everyone just needs to recognise that Oyo's history is not Yoruba's national history and certainly not the history of Ile-Ife.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:01pm On Apr 11, 2020
I like your spinning the main capital but excluding its neighboring villages was sacked, ruined, and grounded.

Well, but the article also said:

"... The Edo KINGDOM of Benin had been racked for some years by civil war."

Do you think it's a sane statement that the principal city (and also the neighboring villages within the kingdom) were reduced to a MERE VILLAGE?? Lol.

David van Nyendael's emphasis was obviously on the extent of the damage done by the war to have even crushed the primary city --- let alone smaller towns and villages around it.


Anyways, however you love to spin it (ineffectually tho), the thick skull I was exchanging with never knew of such about Benin Kingdom.

All he know is myth like: Oba Of Benin owns the land from here to Europe.. grin cheesy



Moreover, you didn't return as promised with the alleged Oyo or Yoruba account which claims Ajaka to be the first Alaafin of Oyo. Lol.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 9:02pm On Apr 11, 2020
davidnazee:


Another myth without evidence.
And your story just destroyed the belief that Oduduwa was the father of Yoruba race or reformer of Ife.



You're a mis-educated illiterate.
The entire board is beyond you. I wonder why TAO11 is wasting her knowledge on you & you should consider yourself lucky that she is.
I won't waste my time engaging you.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:02pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:



Johnson was at no time a historian, he was a doctor who reduced Oyo history for Yoruba & his contemporary events to writing. The latter part containing data on the Ekitiparapo wars & the establishment of colonial government are regarded among the academic historians as solid.

Having said that, the only reason the early history of Ife [not necessarily the whole of Yoruba] appears not to add up is because the Oyo who had some of the early writers and close contacts with the European skewed history to give their throne a background for the fraudulent position they ascribed to it & have continued to struggle to sustain by citing archival documents about salary scale and signatures with the Europeans - former was based solely on population & the latter was based on Samuel Johnson factor as he acted as the Alaafin's interpreter/writer among other factors.

This misfired and baseless history was what Bini king attempted to provide an alternative for. There really is no problem to be resolved, everyone just needs to recognise that Oyo's history is not Yoruba's national history and certainly not the history of Ile-Ife.

Preach!!!
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:04pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:



You're a mis-educated illiterate.
The entire board is beyond you. I wonder why TAO11 is wasting her knowledge on you & you should consider yourself lucky that she is.
I won't waste my time engaging you.

I know right. But sometimes I feel their delusions need to be truncated. My bad. I think I need to choose my battles more carefully. There are bigger fishes to fry.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 9:12pm On Apr 11, 2020
gregyboy:



Tell me more on this shit please

Again why did first arguing in the favour of benin and ife myth

This is unclear, care to reword? Thank you.

There really isn't more to share on it. Let us just say that it was Oyo that said Oduduwa descended with a chain & again migrated from the East.

This East has been taken to be Mecca by Oyo Muslims; Sudan by Prof. Biobaku; Egypt by some old fellow with degree in Theology; & lastly, Igodomigodo/Ughoton by the Bini.

All of these Mecca, Sudan, Egypt & Igodomigodo/Ughoton claims were attempts to hijack the East migration tradition. Now what I think I just need to share with you is that this tradition of origin is not Ife's record of the origins of Osin Ora [Oduduwa] and that your people & king wrote a story to respond to a false narrative from Oyo.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by SilverSniper: 9:15pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:
I like your spinning the main capital but excluding its neighboring villages was sacked, ruined, and grounded.

Well, but the article also said:

"... The Edo KINGDOM of Benin had been racked for some years by civil war."

Do you think it's a sane statement that the principal city (and also the neighboring villages within the kingdom) were reduced to a small village?? Lol.

David van Nyendael's emphasis was obviously on the extent of the damage done by the war to have even crushed the primary city --- let alone smaller towns and villages around it.


Anyways, however you love to spin it (ineffectually tho), the thick skull I was exchanging with never knew of such about Benin Kingdom.

All he know is myth like: Oba Of Benin owns the land from here to Europe.



Moreover, you didn't return as promised with the alleged Oyo or Yoruba account which claims Ajaka to be the first Alaafin of Oyo. Lol.

Well the article doesn't mention the surrounding towns and villages all or even mostly being ruined, and in fact Nyendael's account portrays the state's structure as continuing intact even after the devastation of the capital by the war. Who knows, maybe that part of Nyendael's account is inaccurate, but it's there. Anyway, I was only clarifying a detail about the kingdom vs. the capital. The rebel army struck a major blow at the capital and gained a victory, but the state continued to function, and then recovered completely later on including the capital itself. I was just bringing that up in case any other readers of the thread were confused about what was really in the article.

I am still looking for the account and I only returned to this thread to comment on a few other things in the meanwhile. I've read hundreds of articles (maybe more) and books on Nigerian and West African history and this was from nearly a decade ago so it wouldn't be easy to track down.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:16pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:


This is unclear, care to reword? Thank you.

There really isn't more to share on it. Let us just say that it was Oyo that said Oduduwa descended with a chain & again migrated from the East.

This East has been taken to be Mecca by Oyo Muslims; Sudan by Prof. Biobaku; Egypt by some old fellow with degree in Theology; & lastly, Igodomigodo/Ughoton by the Bini.

All of these Mecca, Sudan, Egypt & Igodomigodo/Ughoton claims were attempts to hijack the East migration tradition. Now what I think I just need to share with you is that this tradition of origin is not Ife's record of the origins of Osin Ora [Oduduwa] and that your people & king wrote a story to respond to a false narrative from Oyo.

That guy you just quoted is the "most-stupidestest" liar from the Edo revisionist alliance party oo. lol.

He never completes a statement, has problems comprehending 2-line sentences, and has difficulty stringing words together.

I just need you to be aware of that.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 9:17pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:


I know right. But sometimes I feel their delusions need to be truncated. My bad. I think I need to choose my battles more carefully. There are bigger fishes to fry.

I agree but then he'll keep you in circles of uneducated banters. He has nothing of note to share with you, you'll be the one giving & giving. He lacks substance and he's a complete waste of time & one's acquired education.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 9:18pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:


That guy you just quoted is the "most-stupidestest" liar from the Edo revisionist alliance party oo. lol.

He never completes a statement, has problems comprehending 2-line sentences, and has difficulty stringing words together.

I just need you to be aware of that.

LOOOL!
I should take my own advice and not waste my time further then cheesy cheesy

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:27pm On Apr 11, 2020
SilverSniper:


Well the article doesn't mention the surrounding towns and villages all or even mostly being ruined, and in fact Nyendael's account claims that the king was continuing to collect taxes from the territories of the kingdom even after the devastation of the capital by the war. Who knows, maybe that part of Nyendael's account is inaccurate, but it's there. Anyhow, I was only clarifying a detail about the kingdom vs. the capital. The rebel army struck a major blow at the capital and gained a victory, but the state continued to function, and then recovered later on. I was just bringing that up in case any other readers of the thread were confused about what was really in the article.

I am still looking for the account and I only returned to this thread to comment on a few other things in the meanwhile. I've read hundreds of articles (maybe more) and books on Nigerian and West African history and this was from nearly a decade ago so it wouldn't be easy to track down.

On clarifying the details about the kingdom vs the capital, my logical angle which I was drawing your attention to is this:

The capital is always the grandest in the kingdom. And in the standard of a late 1600/early 1700 Benin Kingdom, other territories within the kingdom apart from the capital (Benin City) are already villages or at least very small towns.

So it would have been a tautological fallacy for the account to have spelled out something like: The villages too were reduced to mere villages. Lol.

No, the focus was on the principal city in order to emphasize the extent of the damage.

I hope you get my line of reasoning from the account.



As regards your search for the alleged Oyo or Yoruba account which claims Ajaka to be the first Alaafin of Oyo ... I say, GOODLUCK "LOOKING".


Interestingly, I have here with me even as I type, an encyclopedic summary of the different Yoruba accounts on the early beginnigs of the Great Oyo Empire, not once did it talk of the first Alaafin as being Ajaka.

Even Lijadu's Nupe or Frobenius' Nupe/Bariba says nothing of such.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:28pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:


I agree but then he'll keep you in circles of uneducated banters. He has nothing of note to share with you, you'll be the one giving & giving. He lacks substance and he's a complete waste of time & one's acquired education.

True!!

He actually has nothing to offer. And he was blatantly honest in admitting that.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by SilverSniper: 9:36pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:
No, the focus was on the principal city in order to emphasize the extent of the damage.

I hope you get my line of reasons from the account.

What I got from the account was that the rebel commander (most likely the Iyase, formerly the commander of the royal army before he rebelled) and his forces struck directly at the capital and wrecked it, I didn't see anything about him successfully devastating the whole country/kingdom (and it's unclear how the state would still function as Nyendael described if that were actually the case), and that isn't in the account, but you're welcome to your own interpretation. I think you've made it clear what your interpretation is, but the clarification was mostly for anyone else that might be reading the thread.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 9:40pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:


True!!

He actually has nothing to offer. A[b]nd he was blatantly honest in admitting that[/b].

He was?
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:43pm On Apr 11, 2020
SilverSniper:


What I got from the account was that the rebel commander (most likely the Iyase, formerly the commander of the royal army before he rebelled) and his forces struck directly at the capital and wrecked it, I didn't see anything about him successfully devastating the whole country/kingdom (and it's unclear how the state would still function as Nyendael described if that were actually the case), and that isn't in the account, but you're welcome to your own interpretation. I think you've made it clear what your interpretation is, but the clarification was mostly for anyone else that might be reading the thread.

My interpretation is quite holistic because same article says the following:

"... The Edo KINGDOM of Benin had been racked for some years by civil war."


Anyways, whether it is only Benin City that was sacked and reduced to a mere village; or it was inclusive of other lesser towns; such distinction (if any) actually makes no difference to the education I was providing earlier to the poor thick skull who is absolutely oblivious of such historical fact.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:46pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:


He was?
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Yes! Lol

I asked for evidence to substantiate one of his grandiose claims about Benin Kingdom, and he replied along the lines of: I can't provide you evidence and there is nothing you can do about that. Lol

I will modify this comment and provide his actual words if I find it.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 9:52pm On Apr 11, 2020
TAO11:


Yes! Lol

I asked for evidence to substantiate one of his grandiose claims about Benin Kingdom, and he replied along the lines of: [i]I can't provide you evidence and there is nothing you can do about that.[/I] Lol

I will modify this comment and provide his actual words if I find it.

Fam, I am weak! grin grin grin grin
What kind of person is that, making the good Bini folks look bad.

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:56pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:


Fam, I am weak! grin grin grin grin
What kind of person is that, making the good Bini folks look bad.

Found his exact words. He wrote and I quote here:

"I won’t provide evidence so go hug transformer."

See link:
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/18#88338204

See also attachment in case he modifies:

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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 10:30pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:


This is unclear, care to reword? Thank you.

There really isn't more to share on it. Let us just say that it was Oyo that said Oduduwa descended with a chain & again migrated from the East.

This East has been taken to be Mecca by Oyo Muslims; Sudan by Prof. Biobaku; Egypt by some old fellow with degree in Theology; & lastly, Igodomigodo/Ughoton by the Bini.

All of these Mecca, Sudan, Egypt & Igodomigodo/Ughoton claims were attempts to hijack the East migration tradition. Now what I think I just need to share with you is that this tradition of origin is not Ife's record of the origins of Osin Ora [Oduduwa] and that your people & king wrote a story to respond to a false narrative from Oyo.


Why has anyone not written this fact down here on nairaland to inform people on the Oduduwa myth instead of living the lives TAO11 to argie his lungs out
While our kings are playing politics on this myth the commoners are fighting an unknown endless battle for them......

I tried searching proves on the benin-story before the 19c and i found nothing, if ekaladeran was a big story to the benins like they say when the Portuguese questioned thier origin they would have simply told them, but no account of such was ever recorded
This led me to doubt the benin ife link as a political bait


You should create a thread addressing all this i bet the yorubas are more equipped on this info than any edo

So please share this info out so the people will know and our kings will be forced to telk the truth
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 10:38pm On Apr 11, 2020
gregyboy:

Why has anyone not written this fact down here on nairaland to inform people on the Oduduwa myth instead of living the lives TAO11 to argie his lungs out
While our kings are playing politics on this myth the commoners are fighting an unknown endless battle for them......

I tried searching proves on the benin-story before the 19c and i found nothing, if ekaladeran was a big story to the benins like they say when the Portuguese questioned thier origin they would have simply told them, but no account of such was ever recorded
This led me to doubt the benin ife link as a political bait
You should create a thread addressing all this i bet the yorubas are more equipped on this info than any edo
So please share this info out so the people will know and our kings will be forced to telk the truth

Your parents should speak on your behalf going forward.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:42pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:



Johnson was at no time a historian, he was a doctor who reduced Oyo history for Yoruba & his contemporary events to writing. The latter part containing data on the Ekitiparapo wars & the establishment of colonial government are regarded among the academic historians as solid.

Having said that, the only reason the early history of Ife [not necessarily the whole of Yoruba] appears not to add up is because the Oyo who had some of the early writers and close contacts with the European skewed history to give their throne a background for the fraudulent position they ascribed to it & have continued to struggle to sustain by citing archival documents about salary scale and signatures with the Europeans - former was based solely on population & the latter was based on Samuel Johnson factor as he acted as the Alaafin's interpreter/writer among other factors.

This misfired and baseless history was what Bini king attempted to provide an alternative for. There really is no problem to be resolved, everyone just needs to recognise that Oyo's history is not Yoruba's national history and certainly not the history of Ile-Ife.

I think you have more sense than that idiot Tao.. at least you agree stories about Ife are grounded on myths and lies and don’t add up.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:49pm On Apr 11, 2020
OgboAto:



You're a mis-educated illiterate.
The entire board is beyond you. I wonder why TAO11 is wasting her knowledge on you & you should consider yourself lucky that she is.
I won't waste my time engaging you.

u are the one coming up with your own revisionist account of oduduwa.. why are u upset if I interpret your words in the most reasonable way? Go read ur account of oduduwa again.
What is TAO11 knowledgeable in? You are obviously confused.
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 10:53pm On Apr 11, 2020
davidnazee:

I think you have more sense than that idiot Tao.. at least you agree stories about Ife are grounded on myths and lies and don’t add up.

Shut up, you Janus faced liar. He never agreed any such nonsense with you.


The only thing he agreed is that: you Binis and your ex king are stupeeed! grin grin
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 10:56pm On Apr 11, 2020
davidnazee:


u are the one coming up with your own revisionist account of oduduwa.. why are u upset if I interpret your words in the most reasonable way? Go read ur account of oduduwa again.
What is TAO11 knowledgeable in? You are obviously confused.

Shut up! He is a historian, and you are sh!t as well as a sh!t eater. grin

He never agreed to any of your Bini lies.

The only point he agreed with you on is when YOU admitted to having nothing to offer. cheesy

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